The 2008 MLB Season Thread (Update: Phillies Won)

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[quote name='lordwow']FFM: Take a good look at DeWitt too.[/QUOTE]

I used DeWitt for a while when he was hovering around .320 But I think I've decided to stick with Beltre for a while, not to mention Reynolds got picked up after his 2 HR game. I also made the move to pick up Peralta and drop Drew. And at second I went with the rookie starting for the Twins right now, Alexi Casilla.
 
8 in a row for the Cubbies! I'm cautiously excited about what I see. The streak is great but they've done it against sub-par teams. Also the way it stands now the Cubs do not have a playoff caliber starting rotation. Big Z and Dempster have done well, the 5th guy Galligher has given us 4-5 pretty good starts but Lilly and Marquis have gotten hammered.
 
you have to look at other teams you will be playing rotation...if the playoffs started today, the marlins are getting thru the games with offense and there staff is mediocre at best. The diamondbacks staff started off really hot, but they have cooled dramatically..
 
[quote name='FFMooglestar']I used DeWitt for a while when he was hovering around .320 But I think I've decided to stick with Beltre for a while, not to mention Reynolds got picked up after his 2 HR game. I also made the move to pick up Peralta and drop Drew. And at second I went with the rookie starting for the Twins right now, Alexi Casilla.[/quote]

not bad. Would totally try for a shot at Dan Uggla. I have him on my team and he is making up for the loss in numbers i lack in SS(i had barmes/keppinger there)


Great game for pedro last night. 109 pitches and gave up 3 earned and even went 2-3 with an RBI. Atleast things are looking up from here..
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']not bad. Would totally try for a shot at Dan Uggla. I have him on my team and he is making up for the loss in numbers i lack in SS(i had barmes/keppinger there)


Great game for pedro last night. 109 pitches and gave up 3 earned and even went 2-3 with an RBI. Atleast things are looking up from here..[/QUOTE]

Yeah Pedro did look good but of course the key for him is to stay healthy. And we know how unlikely that is to happen.

The Mets look like they are more into it then they were a couple weeks ago. I still view this team now, as a .500 team. They need to shake things up a bit with a trade. They also need to get younger. They have 3 of the first 33 picks in the draft. Hopefully they will use these picks wisely. I heard they are going after college kids, as they want guys that are ready to play now.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Yeah Pedro did look good but of course the key for him is to stay healthy. And we know how unlikely that is to happen.

The Mets look like they are more into it then they were a couple weeks ago. I still view this team now, as a .500 team. They need to shake things up a bit with a trade. They also need to get younger. They have 3 of the first 33 picks in the draft. Hopefully they will use these picks wisely. I heard they are going after college kids, as they want guys that are ready to play now.[/quote]

yeah, i heard that also....with 18,22, and 33..we should be able to get something nice....I think the mets will probably and obviously take Yonder Alonso at that spot. He has a rediculous OBP and the kid is switch. The only problem...Scott Boras.

haha yea realistically..i hope to get atleast 2-3 more starts before i hear an inflammation or a ripped tendon some where.
 
boston.com did a piece that there is a probablilty that ortiz could be done for the season, and if all things go great for him, that he would be back in the end of july. They did another story about the idea of bonds coming to boston. That is a big question if we do lose ortiz for the season. The didn't look at it from bonds point of view though, and if he would even want to play for boston.

I am fairly sure he had made very negative comments about boston and the race issues back when boston held the all star game. I remeber it really stung boston, as those issues had come and gone. If he was humbled enough and would sign with boston, I don't know if we would want him.

Granted we could DH manny and play both cocco and ellsbury in the lineup. Manny hits a lot better when he is a DH, and both ellsbury and cocco are hitting decent and are stealing bases. The defense in the OF will take a big leap forward. Manny wasn't horrible (espically this season) and he plays the green monster great, but his range is limited and playing on the road in bigger ballparks would help to have cocco/ellsbury out in the OF. Power would take a big hit, but the speed would increase.

The backup of the of could be bailey who was called up when ortiz went on the DL. Bailey had been crushing the ball in AAA. He has a big frame and a simliar stance to the whitesox carlos quietnan (sp?). Brandon Moss should be ready for the big leagues shortly as he is rehabbing from the appendeticmy. There is also bobby kieltly who would be coming off the DL shorlty.

So besides being able to transform the club more into an NL style team with speed/bunting/hit and runs, there is also the issue would we want that distraction in the clubhouse? Would his attitue be a negative on the young players we have on the team? It will be interesting to see what boston does when the cast comes off in 2 weeks.
 
A bit late, but 9 in a row for the Cubbies!

Although I bet it ends tonight, with Lilly pitching for us and Maddux pitching at home for the Padres.

Then again, we won with Marquis yesterday!
 
[quote name='Ski Hawk']A bit late, but 9 in a row for the Cubbies!

Although I bet it ends tonight, with Lilly pitching for us and Maddux pitching at home for the Padres.

Then again, we won with Marquis yesterday![/QUOTE]

I'll be at this game tonight. Don't count your Cubbies out yet. Maddux comes out in the 6th or so, and our bullpen loves to give up late leads recently.
 
[quote name='FFMooglestar']I'll be at this game tonight. Don't count your Cubbies out yet. Maddux comes out in the 6th or so, and our bullpen loves to give up late leads recently.[/quote]

Has Time Warner Cable decided to give the MLB package away for free or something? I've been able to catch all of the non-WGN Cubs games on the 400+ channels since the beginning of the season. At first I just thought it was a free preview for the first month but it just keeps going. Not that I'm complaining, I'm just surprised.

I hate it when the Cubs hit the west coast trip. The games don't start until 9:00PM local time and don't end until after midnight.
 
I hate the Angels and their 1 run wins.
Went to the Oakland game today and man does Detroit Suck.
Angels are going to get jacked up on Fri, Sat, and Sunday.:boxing:
 
loved the fight in boston last night....cocco's comments about how the tampa players were fighting like a bunch of girls as they were trying to scratch his eyes and pull his hair was some funny shit
 
Coco is such a piece of trash. Why would he charge the mound after he asked to be drilled twice. Once when he bulled into second and once when he was looking like an idiot trying to talk to the TB manager. You know hes going to get beaned again for being such a pathetic little bitch. Next time I hope they throw at his head because that is what he deserves now.
 
Classy.

Coco had a legitimate beef because Jason Bartlett dropped his knee in front of 2nd base while Coco was sliding in head first, Coco sprained his thumb on that play. In retaliation, Coco bowled over Iwamura on a slide. At that point, I think its even.

But Joe Maddon apparently doesn't have the maturity to not get his pitcher ejected before the 2nd inning. He gave that game away, a game where you're fighting for 1st place.

And the person who has been most upset in the last few years with Jason Bartlett doing that is... Joe Maddon. When Bartlett was with the Twins, Maddon told his players to slide into him with their spikes up to make him stop doing that.
 
Personally I don't think cocco should have charged...I do believe he blew the dropping of the knee by bartlett way out of proportion. I also believe the slide into 2nd base was blown way out of proportion. He didn't go out the baseline, and shit if you want the base why don't more players do thins.

As for the beaning, he should have been man enough to take it. He got drilled in the leg. He should have expected one of boston pitchers to take care of it for him. Going into the game, we couldn't really afford to lose another OF due to a suspension and if ellsbury is out for any period of time then the sox could get fucked. That said, I live fights in baseball. I didn't know crisp was an amature boxer and was 17 - 0.

As for crisp yelling back at maddon, crisp looked like just as big of a duche bag as maddon did. The rays don't have the depth in the bullpen to lose a starter early in the game in future games. That is going to give the redsox the ability to tag someone, most likely gomez early.
 
Iwamura straddled the base perfectly and their was no excuse for coco's slide.
However I have been seeing more and more middle infielders illegally block the base. I don't care if they are trying to catch the ball, its just something you can't do. Umpires need to start calling it or there will be more incidents and injuries.
 
[quote name='HuppSav']Iwamura straddled the base perfectly and their was no excuse for coco's slide.
However I have been seeing more and more middle infielders illegally block the base. I don't care if they are trying to catch the ball, its just something you can't do. Umpires need to start calling it or there will be more incidents and injuries.[/quote]

Is there a rule against it. I know it is a douche bag thing to do, dropping your knee down on someone you know is diving head first.

Coco should have taken first base and kept his mouth shut, that's a given, but Tampa has some issues of their own.

1. Why does it seem like Maddon has had a Napoleon complex this season
2. Carl Crawford getting into a scrum with his balky knee
3. Shields throwing a right hook with his pitching hand
4. Shields beaning Crisp IN THE 2ND INNING

That last one is the dumbest thing I seen in awhile. The event happened the night before, so it was premeditated. They were a half game back before the game started and could have gotten out of Boston still in 1st. Talk about letting your emotions cloud the bigger picture.
 
[quote name='HuppSav']Iwamura straddled the base perfectly and their was no excuse for coco's slide.
However I have been seeing more and more middle infielders illegally block the base..[/quote]


I agree that cocco blew the knee thing out of proportion..but come on the slide into 2b wasn't that bad...He went in hard...thats it...nothing was illegal about it. There have been numberous HOF's that were aggressive on the base paths...shit tampa went in hard in spring training at home plate and took the yanks 3rd string catcher out of the game and put him on the DL...I am pretty sure carl crawford went in hard during spring training...If you are going to play like that (which I have no problem with) and your manager goes and calls out joe giradi pretty much calling the yanks a bunch of pusseys, then what goes around comes around.

I had no problem with cocco's slide, it was legal and the rays blew that out of proportion just like cocco blew the knee out of proportion.
 
and if you want to talk about trash, what about gomez and him throwing several haymakers when cocco was at the bottom of the pile...it isn't his first major incident this season (like cocco's). He did it in spring training vs the yanks when he thought shelly duncans slide was hard. Too bad that he tripped as he was running into from the OF.

The only real positive out of this, is cocco might get some fans from boston from it. He has never really been accepted in Boston. Granted what he was billed as and his play are 2 different things, but injuires have hampered him.
 
Coco was actin' like a little bitch, the SS made a nice defensive play, cutting off Coco. Then Coco retaliated against the wrong fuckin' guy.

Coco's just pissed because Ellsbury took his spot.

Suprised nobody brought up the MLB Draft, really stoked this year with my Giants picks, Posey (FSU) and Gellispie (Wichita State) are facing off on ESPN2.
 
with big pappi gone untill late july, maybe the season, you will most likely see manny DH'ing...and that would open up a spot for both ellsbury and cocco. Cocco has handled the lack of full time play fairly well. Granted I am not in the locker room, but all report indicate he hasn't caused any issues within the clubhouse about it. For the backup he has gotten a lot of playing time. He has been in 47 games with over 134 ab's compared to ellsbury's 56 games 190 official AB's. Considering cocco was hurt in spring training, and was sitting on for at least a week in the middle of april due to an injury, he has gotten plenty of playing time. Eric Heinske, the 4th of last year only had 196 plate appearances all season, and some of them were at 1b.
 
nothing official on manny/youk just some speculation as the clubhouse has been silent about it. Personally I don't like youk. He has the paul O'neil style about it having hissy fits every questionable called strike and anytime he makes an out he is throwing his helmet or something like that. That said, the rumor is youk was jawing manny about being so late to the bench clearing brawl, and manny backhanded his ass. I really don't see anything coming of it, as both manny and youk were training together in the offseason out in Arizona. Most likely they have spent a shit load of time together, and between the bench clearing brawl and being so close with each other they just errupted.
 
well that was quick..the suspensions have been issued...8 players ...the suspensions will be staggered so that no one is really short handed. That is a little shaddy imo. You fuck up, you break league rules then your team should suffer the consequences. A bunch of fucking bullshit. Lester begin serving his immediatly, crisp appealed.

redsox..

crisp 7 games
jon lester 5 games
sean casey 3 games

tampa

shields 6 games
gomes 5 games
edwin jackson 5 games
crawford 4games
iwamura 3 games

some shockers in there...crisp deserves a lot, due to charging the mound, but shields should get equal time IMO. He has come out and basically said he was trying to hit him, and it wasn't like he wouldn't have knocked crisp the fuck out if he had made contact in that first punch. Both were at fault, both should get the same imo.

Lester deserves some time because of allegedly throwing at a rays hitter later on in the game after warning have been issued. No problem with that, but imo they should have given warnings at the begining of the game. They knew that there was bad blood from the night before and the umpire crew should have taken some precautions.

Sean casey kinda suprised. Granted we have only what the cable channel decides to show, but he is allegedly one of the most easy going liked guys in baseball. His nickname is the mayor. In the footage he was in the middle of it, but from what I saw he looked like he was trying to seperate people.

IMO shields deserves 1 more game

IMO gomez deserves as many if not more then crisp/shields. He has a history from this season of jumping in late and looking to fuck someone up. You can easily see him throwing several haymakers at crisp who was on the bottom of the pile a good 2 or 3 bodies in between them. No reason for it, and I know there isn't a rule in place for the additional guy fighting but imo it is just wrong.

crawford came in late, and was throwing punches, a little steep IMO as he wasn't in it for long, but I can understand.

Iwamura I have mixed feelings about. You clearly see him practically tea bagging crisp, but he didn't look like he did much.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']well that was quick..the suspensions have been issued...8 players ...the suspensions will be staggered so that no one is really short handed. That is a little shaddy imo. You fuck up, you break league rules then your team should suffer the consequences. A bunch of fucking bullshit. Lester begin serving his immediatly, crisp appealed.

redsox..

crisp 7 games
jon lester 5 games
sean casey 3 games

tampa

shields 6 games
gomes 5 games
edwin jackson 5 games
crawford 4games
iwamura 3 games

some shockers in there...crisp deserves a lot, due to charging the mound, but shields should get equal time IMO. He has come out and basically said he was trying to hit him, and it wasn't like he wouldn't have knocked crisp the fuck out if he had made contact in that first punch. Both were at fault, both should get the same imo.

Lester deserves some time because of allegedly throwing at a rays hitter later on in the game after warning have been issued. No problem with that, but imo they should have given warnings at the begining of the game. They knew that there was bad blood from the night before and the umpire crew should have taken some precautions.

Sean casey kinda suprised. Granted we have only what the cable channel decides to show, but he is allegedly one of the most easy going liked guys in baseball. His nickname is the mayor. In the footage he was in the middle of it, but from what I saw he looked like he was trying to seperate people.

IMO shields deserves 1 more game

IMO gomez deserves as many if not more then crisp/shields. He has a history from this season of jumping in late and looking to fuck someone up. You can easily see him throwing several haymakers at crisp who was on the bottom of the pile a good 2 or 3 bodies in between them. No reason for it, and I know there isn't a rule in place for the additional guy fighting but imo it is just wrong.

crawford came in late, and was throwing punches, a little steep IMO as he wasn't in it for long, but I can understand.

Iwamura I have mixed feelings about. You clearly see him practically tea bagging crisp, but he didn't look like he did much.[/QUOTE]

Pretty lame about Lester. It was a curveball that didn't break. It was going like 60 MPH and barely hit his knee. The replay of it was pretty clear he released it poorly.
 
he is only going to miss 1 start, and they could technically throw masterson/buckholtz in his place and pitch lester the day he becomes active.

Also once warnings have been issued, is doesn't make a difference if there was intent or the ball slipped...you going to get ejected and suspended...he probably could have got it cut down a day or 2 though
 
To all those Giants fans, already looks like the 1st two picks Posey and Gillespie are payin' off College wise.

Posey goes 1-4 with a HR.

Gillaspie went 2-5 with a 3-run homer.

Who did Keith Law rank as the best draft of 2008? SF GIANTS BABY.

The cherry on top, Teh Franchise goes 7 innings, gave up 1 run, struck out 5 and beat the Nats' 10-1.
 
Coco has a right to be pissed off at Bartlett, you can't drop your leg in front of 2nd base like that. A headfirst slide gave Coco a sprained thumb, but sliding in feet first would've hurt Bartlett, and it would've been entirely his own fault.

I don't think Shields gets ejected unless Coco charges the mound, so that ultimately benefited the Sox.

Now, if you want to talk about douchebags, Jonny Gomes and Carl Crawford throwing punches and scratching Coco on the ground. Crawford's definitely got something coming to him after that.
 
How can Boston sweep a team like the Rays, then get manhandled by the Mariner? Granted half the team was missing and it was against Hernandez, but come on, its the M's at Fenway.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']How can Boston sweep a team like the Rays, then get manhandled by the Mariner? Granted half the team was missing and it was against Hernandez, but come on, its the M's at Fenway.[/QUOTE]

It's a 162 game season. The better team is not going to win all the time.
 
[quote name='DomLando']It's a 162 game season. The better team is not going to win all the time.[/quote]

Oh, I know. But after a sweep of the Rays, to have the M's come in and lose like that is nuts. And they broke up the home winning streak too. Oh well.
 
they haven't hit felix all that well historically...manny, ortiz, and jacoby weren't playing. They also probably came off the emotional rollar coaster between the fight between the rays and the fight that happened in the club house.

New reports say that the fight started because manny told youkillis to stop having hissy fits on called strikes and for throwing shit when he got an out. Who know that manny was the voice of reason in the game of baseball.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']To all those Giants fans, already looks like the 1st two picks Posey and Gillespie are payin' off College wise.

Posey goes 1-4 with a HR.

Gillaspie went 2-5 with a 3-run homer.

Who did Keith Law rank as the best draft of 2008? SF GIANTS BABY.

The cherry on top, Teh Franchise goes 7 innings, gave up 1 run, struck out 5 and beat the Nats' 10-1.[/quote]

He was just rating the first day of the draft. Nice to see small-mid markets actually spending some money in the draft. They have hid behind the "we have no money" mantra for far too long. Now all of a sudden these teams are drafting Scott Boras clients. I remember reading that the twins revenue sharing money one year was higher than their payroll.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']He was just rating the first day of the draft. Nice to see small-mid markets actually spending some money in the draft. They have hid behind the "we have no money" mantra for far too long. Now all of a sudden these teams are drafting Scott Boras clients. I remember reading that the twins revenue sharing money one year was higher than their payroll.[/quote]

I wouldn't necessarily call San Francisco a "small market", the management spends money, sometimes not wisely (Zito, Roberts) sometimes wisely (Rowand, Molina).

That Posey guy's asking price of 12 million he won't get, just a bluff. Expect in the range from 6-8 million.
 
I played against gomes, and he is a steroid induced douche. I hit a homer against his team on the first pitch of the game to straight away center field.
Coco Crisp is possibly the biggest douche I've seen this year. I don't see why anybody in Boston would like him because of this. I would be pissed I had this little turd in the lineup instead of ellsbury or ortiz.
 
well it would be either ellsbury or crisp...crisp playing wouldn't replace ortiz...ellsbury is better, but boston is without a doubt keeping his playing time on a limit. Maybe because several position players that have come up have had struggles in the 2nd half, due to more games and a lot more travel. Kevin Youkillis is a perfect example of that type of player, but pedroia didn't have the dropoff in the 2nd half. For a 4th OF, I think crisp is perfect. He is a gold glove caliber fielder and he can run.

Crisp biggest problems in boston is that he was replacing an boston icon in johnny damon. The sox built his playing ability up a lot. He was living up to those expectations all thru his first spring training and the first 5 or so games of the season. He got hurt missed over a month and never had the same swing the first year. Last year he had groin injuries and shoulder issues. He still hasn't shown the swing he had when he was here in spring training/first couple games of the season. He is a rather reserved person and isn't outspoken like damon was. Big hype, mediocre play, quiet personality and a rookie phenom waiting in the wings has given boston fans not to like him. Him going out there and fighting shields won over boston fans. If you agree with it or not (I think he should have sucked it up and went to first) he showed some heart, spunk and a fight in him. Up untill that incident he has not shown that his entire career here in boston. Shit boston fans were in love with lou fucking merloni.
 
Anyone watching the Cubs game? It's in black and white for a few innings in honor of WGN's 60th anniversary. No replays, only certain camera angles, etc.
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']Anyone watching the Cubs game? It's in black and white for a few innings in honor of WGN's 60th anniversary. No replays, only certain camera angles, etc.[/quote]


That's wild. I was at work checking for score updates on my phone (Damn my work and their crappy internet policy!)

I was glad to see we tied it up and won in extra innings. Now we've got to take it to those dirty south siders.
 
My boys finally have Peavy back on the mound and he looked great today. No runs on three hits with 4 K's in 6 innings of work. Pads put the hurt on Kuroda who goes 2+ and gives 6 Earned. I love having Peavy get a win on his first outing back.
 
wow...first wang goes down untill sept for the yanks while running the bases. Hank goes crazy telling the NL to move to the 21st century and get a DH. If you think things can't go worse in NY, then

The mets fire willie randolph by mass email at 3am. The email was sent to willie and the press. How fucking shady is that shit? Did he deserve to go? Without a doubt but have a sack, meet the guy and tell him like a man.
 
I have to say, I'm not really a fan of the Mets or Willie, but waiting until 3 AM AFTER he won 2 games AFTER you fly him out to the West Coast. Poor form. Just really poor.

And ya, the Yankees are in deep trouble.
 
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