The 2008 MLB Season Thread (Update: Phillies Won)

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arod is struggling with runners on base this year...but he did carry the yanks for almost 1/2 a season last year. In 2004, he batted .421 in the alds, and had 3 rbi's...tied for most on the team in the series vs the twins....in the alcs vs the redsox in the first 3 games he hit .429 with 3 rbi's or roughly 10% of the teams rbi production in the first 3 games. He was batting 2nd in both series and scored a shitload of runs. Yes he finished that series poorly, but the entire yankee lineup did as well. He is a great ballplayer, that goes through highs and lows. He is not a 25 mill per season player, But the entire clutch arguement is such bullshit. 2 years ago, gammons did some research on arods and jeters stats with risp with the yanks loosing, and they posted similiar #'s, arods was a tad better.

The only difference between the 2 is arod makes a shitload more, and he is not as likable as a personality as jeter. I don't hear people bitching about juicing giambi. He cost them 20 mill a season, and was expected to hit over .300 and hit at least 30 homers a season. I don't think he has done both of those things 1 x since being a yank, and last I checked his sorry ass choked last night as well.

As for manny the knock on him in recent years, is he is a bad pitcher making a mistake hitter. He doesn't hit the games elite pitching all that well anymore. I wouldn't want either manny or arod on my team as they both bring too much drama into the clubhouse. At this point, if forced I would chose manny over arod, but this offseason manny is looking for $25 for 4 years at his age, with the drama he brings to the team.

Manny also had the knock of driving in a shitload of runs in blowouts. Yes, manny did hit the NY yanks very well, and he did perform the past couple of post seasons.
 
Sox get a pretty consistant hitter from the Braves as a center fielder. Am I the only one who hopes they keep him and dump Crisp after this year? Sox have been doing some meaningful picksups before the seasons end. Hopefully Byrd can start flipping the Byrd and pull off some wins.
 
Whoo what a come back...not as epic as the phillies comeback last night but ill take it. I hope that hit murphy had tonight will break him out of his slump hopefully. \

And man s Carlos Delgado making me eat my words. Holy shit, I cant believe his bat came alive after those three awful monthts.
 
With the way the Indians have been playing lately they've got a Rockies shot at making the playoffs. I hope they can make things interesting down the stretch.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']With the way the Indians have been playing lately they've got a Rockies shot at making the playoffs. I hope they can make things interesting down the stretch.[/quote]

It's going to take a lot to make the post season for them. Though they may creep close to the ChiSox this weekend with their big series in Boston. Thats going to be huge if one of them sweeps it.
 
I'm not expecting the post season at all, but a strong finish with a little pressure on the Twins/White Sox would definitely be a good way to head into next season.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Sox get a pretty consistant hitter from the Braves as a center fielder. Am I the only one who hopes they keep him and dump Crisp after this year? Sox have been doing some meaningful picksups before the seasons end. Hopefully Byrd can start flipping the Byrd and pull off some wins.[/quote]


Kotsay contract is up at the end of the year....and why in the world would they dump crisp, ellsbury has not shown any consistent ability to be an everyday CF, and jd drew gets hurt all the time. Considering the playing time, the only thing that ellsbury is doing better then crisp is stealing bases, but considering the playing time it isn't that big of a difference if you avg it out per game played. Cocco is also a better defensive player then ellsbury at this point in both of their careers.

If colon comes back and pitches the way he was before he went on the DL, I wonder who gets the 5th spot byrd/colon?
 
Holy Crap!!! I can't believe the Cubs came back on the Phillies! I changed the channel in the 6th when we were down 4-1 (my two year old has to watch Oswald on NOGGIN before he goes to bed), I turned it back just in time to see Woody close it out!!!
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Holy Crap!!! I can't believe the Cubs came back on the Phillies! I changed the channel in the 6th when we were down 4-1 (my two year old has to watch Oswald on NOGGIN before he goes to bed), I turned it back just in time to see Woody close it out!!![/QUOTE]

I am rooting for the Cubs every bit in this series. Much needed help could be appreciated lol.
 
Just got back from seeing the Dodgers get owned.

Great game, although a big group of Dodger fans got tossed for starting fights. Cops had to come in and throw 'em out.
 
[quote name='yukine']Just got back from seeing the Dodgers get owned.

Great game, although a big group of Dodger fans got tossed for starting fights. Cops had to come in and throw 'em out.[/QUOTE]
Man, have we dropped off the table in the last 8 games or what? Damn, Manny had to win it single handedly last night.

The Dodgers and D-bags are about the most undeserving playoff contenders in recent memory. What the hell happened to our division?
 
[quote name='speedracer']Man, have we dropped off the table in the last 8 games or what? Damn, Manny had to win it single handedly last night.

The Dodgers and D-bags are about the most undeserving playoff contenders in recent memory. What the hell happened to our division?[/quote]

Mediocrity, thats what happened. Though I think its just everyone in the West is underachieving, except for the Giants. The Mets/Phillies and the Brewers/Cardinals loser is going to have a better record, most likely, than the NL West loser and still not make it. But then again, the last time a team had a terrible record and made the playoffs, the Cards won it all.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Man, have we dropped off the table in the last 8 games or what? Damn, Manny had to win it single handedly last night.

The Dodgers and D-bags are about the most undeserving playoff contenders in recent memory. What the hell happened to our division?[/quote]

Now that the Dodgers might not have a chance at the playoffs you dismiss both teams all together?

That's idiotic logic, yes the NL West is weak compared to other divisions but it doesn't make them any less deserving of playing in the playoffs. They play hard and play the same amount of games as everyone else.
 
i understand both points...IMO, they should change up both the scheduling and the way teams make the postseason. Cut down the interleague games, make each division play the other 2 in the league equal amounts of time. Cut back on the amount of games played vs the same division. The top 4 teams in each league make the playoff. Even better would be the top 5 teams, the top 3 sit out the first round, and 4 and 5 play each other in a 3 game series.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']i understand both points...IMO, they should change up both the scheduling and the way teams make the postseason. Cut down the interleague games, make each division play the other 2 in the league equal amounts of time. Cut back on the amount of games played vs the same division. The top 4 teams in each league make the playoff. Even better would be the top 5 teams, the top 3 sit out the first round, and 4 and 5 play each other in a 3 game series.[/quote]

Right now, for that matchup, it'd be the ChiSox/Twins and Phils/Cards. With the 2nd rounds looking like this:

BOS vs LAA
4/5 winner vs TAM

NYM vs MIL (better record=home)
4/5 winner vs CHC (interesting situation if STL wins, as MLB frowns on division rivals playing in DS round)

Would be pretty interesting though. I think the old East/West worked fine. It all depends on where the Central teams would go.
 
Even though the NL West blows....i'd take the Diamondbacks as favorites in the playoffs.

Webb/Haren back to back nights? G'luck with that.

Even though Webb got fucked tonight which leads to Teh Franchise winning the CY YOUNG
 
Yeah it's tough to see Webb getting owned in two starts, one being by the Padres. :roll:

Lincecum has great stuff, definitely a future Cy Young winner if not this year.
 
[quote name='yukine']Yeah it's tough to see Webb getting owned in two starts, one being by the Padres. :roll:

Lincecum has great stuff, definitely a future Cy Young winner if not this year.[/quote]

If he doesn't win the Cy Young this year....the world is wrong.

No offense to Webb who I had winning it this year....but I think he'll still take it just because of his win total.
 
webb has put up some great numbers...he has a better whip, more complete games, more ip, less walks....lincecum has a more k's, better winning %, and about a .75 runs a game lower era. IMO it is really a toss up between the 2.

While I don't think sabathia will qualify, he has much better #'s. CG, whip, era and he is 9 - 0.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']webb has put up some great numbers...he has a better whip, more complete games, more ip, less walks....lincecum has a more k's, better winning %, and about a .75 runs a game lower era. IMO it is really a toss up between the 2.

While I don't think sabathia will qualify, he has much better #'s. CG, whip, era and he is 9 - 0.[/quote]

Sabathia should really be in the NL Cy Young talks. His worst game since coming over to the NL was to the Cubs. And even then he gave up 2 or 3 runs I believe, so he's been insane in the NL. Wonder what the qualifiers for Cy Young are?
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Great, the Cubs have lost 4 in a row and Big Z is hurt.[/quote]

But you've lucked out with the Brewers. Be thankful (as a Cubs fan) that they have Gagne in their pen and he likes to blow just about every lead.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Great, the Cubs have lost 4 in a row and Big Z is hurt.[/QUOTE]


no worries. Mets just took them out in a 3 game sweep. that should hold them off for a bit.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Sabathia should really be in the NL Cy Young talks. His worst game since coming over to the NL was to the Cubs. And even then he gave up 2 or 3 runs I believe, so he's been insane in the NL. Wonder what the qualifiers for Cy Young are?[/quote]

Wins and popularity.
 
[quote name='ballsdeepnit']Wins and popularity.[/quote]

Thats a big part of it. Not sure what Sabathia's win total is, I think its 15-8 or something like that, but other than Webb, Lincecum, and Volquez, he should be in serious consideration.
 
well the sox pulled one out of there ass today...pedroia batting cleanup again...love listening to him talk, after the big grand slam homer in NY about a week ago, he was asked about his power. Pedroia said something along the lines of when it is high I let it fly, when it is low I let it fly, welcome to the laser beam show....

tampa is starting there dreadful part of the schedule...yanks at home, toronto, boston and NY on the road, boston at home and a 4 game series with the twins at home.

I really hope the blue jays take 3rd place from the yanks :)
 
Hey I got a question for you guys.
Did Pavano really earn this much while not doing anything?

2001 $1,300,000 2003 $1,500,000
2004 $3,800,000 2005 $9,000,000
2006 $8,000,000 2007 $10,000,000
2008 $11,000,000

This is off Espn.com btw.
If he did, or even half that, this guy is laughing while playing WoW.
 
Yanks signed him at the time to a big contract for a career .500 pitcher...he got hurt and hasn't played much. Granted he has issues with rehabbing and remaining focused. It happens and will continue to happen. It wasn't like pavano had injury history before he was signed. The redsox offered him more money then the yanks did, but due to his family being diehard yank fans he signed with the yanks. Instead the sox got clement and his career .500 or so numbers for a tad bit less money and a year less of a contract. It wasn't like he really panned out either.

Pedro martinez was signed as a #1 pitcher at approx $13.25 mill a year...he has a total of 32 wins and 20 losses in 4 seasons. Since the year pedro was a free agent, SP contracts have increased a shitload. Gil meche got the ball rolling with a 11mil for 4 or 5 seasons...since then a mediocre pitcher gets about a 1mill per win and top tier pitchers get more

We can also look at the recent big name pitchers, zitto/schmidt. Jason Schmidt signed a 3 year $47 mill deal and he is 1 - 4 in 2 seasons...barry zitto got 7 year $126 mil contract and 20 - 29 in 2 seasons.
 
Thats nice but I was asking if all the money ESPN.COM was actually what he earned, not about the past. I don't care about the Sox bid for him.
 
that could put a serious damper on the whitesox post seasons hopes. Not only was he hitting for power, he had a fairly good BA.
 
Sox weren't going to win it anyway. It's going to be a Brewers-Angels series even though I want the Mets to win it so bad.
 
The Angels are going to pwn the sox... if your a sucker for normal season statistics.
Remember, we got raped by the Indians last year and we raped them back coming down 3-1 in last years series.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The Sox are starting to play their best ball of the year, really coming on strong.[/quote]

And with how Beckett pitched last night (since its nearly 3 AM), this team is hitting its stride at the right time. Oh and Lowell coming back going 3-5 with 4 RBIs is nice too. Damn Oki Doki keeping the team from another shut out....
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Yanks signed him at the time to a big contract for a career .500 pitcher...he got hurt and hasn't played much. Granted he has issues with rehabbing and remaining focused. It happens and will continue to happen. It wasn't like pavano had injury history before he was signed. The redsox offered him more money then the yanks did, but due to his family being diehard yank fans he signed with the yanks. Instead the sox got clement and his career .500 or so numbers for a tad bit less money and a year less of a contract. It wasn't like he really panned out either. [/QUOTE]
I just wanted to add that that Pavano was arguably the best of the 3 starters for the Marlins (though a better case could probably be made for Beckett). Looking at the way Beckett continued to kill and factoring in that Penny went on to be the staff ace for the Dodgers for a good bit (and probably still would be without injury), I thought the Pavano signing at the time was a sweet deal for a lights out pitcher that had 10+ good years ahead of him.

Every team has bad luck with signings. I thought the Yanks did a good job landing Pavano. Just sayin.

In other news, I think I have the Dodgers figured out. Every time I come on here and say something derogatory, they win 6 straight. Every time I'm positive on them, they go on an 8 game losing streak.

Thanks for the gopher balls last night Haren! 7-0! Booya!
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']The Angels are going to pwn the sox... if your a sucker for normal season statistics.
Remember, we got raped by the Indians last year and we raped them back coming down 3-1 in last years series.[/quote]

But when was the last time the Angels beat the Red Sox in the playoffs? It looks like it'll be a 1st round matchup.

Come on guys, pray for the Cubs making the series. You may not like 'em, but I'm sure we're all sick and tired of hearing about that damn goat being a more powerful curse than Baseball's greatest player. They just need to make it to the series.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I dunno about that. He was a .500 pitcher and about 29 years old when he was signed.[/QUOTE]
After posting that, I was thinking I should have chosen my words a little better. His *upside* was arguably the best of the 3.

[quote name='KingBroly']Come on guys, pray for the Cubs making the series. You may not like 'em, but I'm sure we're all sick and tired of hearing about that damn goat being a more powerful curse than Baseball's greatest player. They just need to make it to the series.[/QUOTE]
No.
 
Hell if those assholes in Boston can have a World Series then the Cubs certainly deserve one.

EDIT: Watch the Rays win the whole thing. That would make another expansion team like the Marlins with fans that don't give a shit about baseball winning before the Cubs.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Hell if those assholes in Boston can have a World Series then the Cubs certainly deserve one.[/QUOTE]

Oh, burn. Now you'll never win a world series. We are gonna throw 100 goats at you.
 
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