I don't know of any good way to do 3 color wristbands. I'm about set to start work on the Midnight Rockers and the look I'm going for will have 2 color wristbands. I haven't started yet but once I do (it'll be awhile, big project due monday) I'll post how I figured out the 2 color wristbands in the Firepro topic on the PS2 board.
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[quote name='JaytheGamefan']The best thing you can do is just create a blank one and look at all the options, then think of what edits you want to make that have clothing that looks similar to that. With Christian, I knew the side-circle thing would look good on him thanks to experimenting with the creation tool before I got seriously into it, and just sticking with easy to create people like CM Punk, before trying anything too advanced.
It also helped to make Jericho at first using dhalsimrocks' formula on GameFAQs/Fireproclub because I was able to get an idea of just how precise you can be with the tool despite its limitations.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the advice bro!
It also helped to make Jericho at first using dhalsimrocks' formula on GameFAQs/Fireproclub because I was able to get an idea of just how precise you can be with the tool despite its limitations.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the advice bro!
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Did TNA take a spinner WWE title and slap beer bottles on it last night?
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They've used that belt for a while, and it looks like it's just a Figs. Spinner with some beer bottles and beer bottle caps on it. There's some good comedy with the top WWE title belt being just a joke in TNA, but then I remember that WWE's making a shitload of money with that belt, while TNA isn't doing that at all, for anything, and laugh.
Thoughts on Impact, which I missed last night due to a previous engagement - Why on Earth is Booker wrestling in a meaningless tag match on his second TNA PPV appearance, and how does wrestling in said meaningless tag match do anything to help Kaz? It could be a good match, but it didn't get much in the way of build, which can be said for a lot of matches on the PPV. The women's title match? No build. Storm-EY? Their match was only built up tonight. Reign/Rellik vs. Abyss/Rhino hasn't been built up much beyond a few seconds of stuff here and there since Genesis, and that NEW MONSTER Rellik continues to lose any match he's in, so why should anyone fear him?
Hell, the main event hasn't had any real build on the face side for weeks, but the heels got the whole show tonight. Unfortunately, they aren't wrestling each other at the PPV, so it didn't do much to help build interest in what is supposed to be the main event of the PPV. Scott Steiner needs to do more promos picking apart the logic gaps in TNA. I love that not even Crystal could explain the "Feast or Fired" match correctly. TNA, when your interviewer is screwing up describing some goofy match stip, it's a good sign the the match is TOO
ING COMPLICATED FOR ANYONE TO CARE ABOUT.
We don't even know who's in this match beyond maybe five guys quickly glossed over in a video package, and Steiner's the only one who got any time tonight to promote himself in it, so why should people care about it? Why does it even need to have 15 guys in it? Why wouldn't at least one of those guys just say " it' and let everyone else risk being fired? How can any title shot be worth losing your job over, especially if you're someone like Steiner who can get title shots just by earning them. Furthermore, why would Jim Cornette even put Steiner in a match where he could be fired when just a few months ago, he was singing the praises about how legendary Scott was - why would he risk this man's spot on the roster if he knows how valuable he is?
As for the rest of the show, the street fight was highlight-filled, but why should I care about the tables match when I just saw a match that involved tables, plus much more, for free? It was interesting to see them continue to render both the Vanterminator and Van Dam crowd dive from his TV title win meaningless by having them just be throwaway spots in this match. The name of the match "the BIG BOYS STREET FIGHT!" was hilarious, but how on Earth can TNA expect any of this to draw money or create interest in their product?
Oh, and Christian via pinfall for the first time in TNA, which wasn't brought up at all, despite it being a loss to Joe, who dealt Christian his first submission loss in TNA. This pinfall loss, of course, meant nothing, as Christian apparently went back to argue with Angle and AJ, which we didn't see because the camera was focused on Joe pointing at the Outsiders, while Hall pointed and Nash did a light stretching routine.
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Thoughts on Impact, which I missed last night due to a previous engagement - Why on Earth is Booker wrestling in a meaningless tag match on his second TNA PPV appearance, and how does wrestling in said meaningless tag match do anything to help Kaz? It could be a good match, but it didn't get much in the way of build, which can be said for a lot of matches on the PPV. The women's title match? No build. Storm-EY? Their match was only built up tonight. Reign/Rellik vs. Abyss/Rhino hasn't been built up much beyond a few seconds of stuff here and there since Genesis, and that NEW MONSTER Rellik continues to lose any match he's in, so why should anyone fear him?
Hell, the main event hasn't had any real build on the face side for weeks, but the heels got the whole show tonight. Unfortunately, they aren't wrestling each other at the PPV, so it didn't do much to help build interest in what is supposed to be the main event of the PPV. Scott Steiner needs to do more promos picking apart the logic gaps in TNA. I love that not even Crystal could explain the "Feast or Fired" match correctly. TNA, when your interviewer is screwing up describing some goofy match stip, it's a good sign the the match is TOO
ING COMPLICATED FOR ANYONE TO CARE ABOUT. We don't even know who's in this match beyond maybe five guys quickly glossed over in a video package, and Steiner's the only one who got any time tonight to promote himself in it, so why should people care about it? Why does it even need to have 15 guys in it? Why wouldn't at least one of those guys just say "
it' and let everyone else risk being fired? How can any title shot be worth losing your job over, especially if you're someone like Steiner who can get title shots just by earning them. Furthermore, why would Jim Cornette even put Steiner in a match where he could be fired when just a few months ago, he was singing the praises about how legendary Scott was - why would he risk this man's spot on the roster if he knows how valuable he is?As for the rest of the show, the street fight was highlight-filled, but why should I care about the tables match when I just saw a match that involved tables, plus much more, for free? It was interesting to see them continue to render both the Vanterminator and Van Dam crowd dive from his TV title win meaningless by having them just be throwaway spots in this match. The name of the match "the BIG BOYS STREET FIGHT!" was hilarious, but how on Earth can TNA expect any of this to draw money or create interest in their product?
Oh, and Christian via pinfall for the first time in TNA, which wasn't brought up at all, despite it being a loss to Joe, who dealt Christian his first submission loss in TNA. This pinfall loss, of course, meant nothing, as Christian apparently went back to argue with Angle and AJ, which we didn't see because the camera was focused on Joe pointing at the Outsiders, while Hall pointed and Nash did a light stretching routine.
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Deep-voiced ad guy - Has Christian’s Coalition reached ITS TURNING POINT!?
(J.B. interrupts Christian)Cage - You wanna know what I was talking to Bobby Roode about?
Roode - …it’s Robert Roode…
Cage - That’s what I said.
Roode - Why am I listening to you again?
Cage - Because I know what I’m talking about, that’s why!
(on TNA’s main event scene)Roode - It’s like a revolving door of has-beens! First it was Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, and now… Booker T?! Tonight, he’s going to find out that it PAYS TO BE ROODE!
Cage - That’s what I’m talking about - GO GET ‘IM BOBBY!
(to crowd)Booker - What’s up, y’all?!
Crowd - Booker T, Booker T, Booker T!
Booker - For the last month, my website - bookertonline.com! has been BLOWING UP because everybody wants to know why I left the WWE!
Crowd - THEY SUCK! THEY SUCK! THEY SUCK!
Booker - Wait a minute… I left for many, many reasons. I know everybody wants to know, so when the Booker comes out, I’m gonna tell the whole damn world why I left, but tonight, I came to talk about why I’m here in TNA. I’m here because it’s the hottest thing going, I’m here to test my wits and my skills against the best young competitors today. I’m here to take TNA to the higher level. I’m here to make TNA the best damn wrestling organization in the world!
Crowd - Booker T, Booker T!
Booker - I’m here to finish what I started 18 years ago, and go out the same way I came in - shocking and amazing the crowd, and do it better than anyone has before me! TNA World title? I want it around my 32 inch waistline! And I’m gonna do it like it’s supposed to be done, make them want to play my son and say DADDY, I DON’T WANT NONE, I’VE HAD ENOUGH! Like I always say, get some, want some, yo ass betta be big enough to take some, now it’s on like neck bone!
DW - Now Mike Tenay, that’s what WE WERE EXPECTING!
Tenay - WAIT A MINUTE, THAT’S ROBERT ROODE!
Roode - I’m here to tell you why you aren’t welcome here in TNA!
Tenay - CHRISTIAN CAGE HAS CONVINCED THEM THAT BOOKER T IS HERE TO TAKE THEIR SPOTS!
Roode - My name is Robert Roode, and I am the future of this company!
Booker - Who?
Roode - I’ve been busting my butt for four years to climb the ladder, and every time one of you washed up has-beens from the other side of the tracks comes here, I get pushed right back down!
DW - Washed-up has-beens!?
Tenay - IS HE KIDDING!?
Roode - Why don’t you prove that you’re the superstar you think you are?
DW - IS HE CHALLENGING HIM TO A MATCH!? OH I’D LOVE TO SEE THAT!
Roode - How about this - I leave my skank in the back, you leave your skank in the back…
Booker - Woah, woah, woah, woah - wait a minute man, you can say what you want to say about that skeezer, but this is my wife, so watch what you say before you get your ass whooped!
Roode - My ass? Why don’t you try it, punk!?
(Sharmell tries to hold Booker back)Roode - Oh, I see - your tramp won’t let you fight! (Booker gets enraged)
Tenay - OH THAT’S IT, THAT’S THE ONE THAT SET OFF BOOKER T! He’s gonna meet Robert Roode face-to-face!
Roode - You and me, right here tonight!
DW - OH YEAH!
Ad - TNAWrestling.com - it’s TNA Wrestling 24/7!
Tenay - FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS, CHRISTY HEMME HAS BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING BRUTALLY ATTACKED BY LAX! FOR THE LATEST ON THAT, WE GO TO THE BACK WITH CRYSTAL!
Hemme - I was attacked by a member of the Latino nation, and apparently, Jim Cornette is going to do nothing about it! A man hitting a woman isn’t allowed here!
Tenay - Christy Hemme was outraged by the man-on-woman violence, which ISN’T ALLOWED HERE ON SPIKE TV!
DW - Well, that’s true, but you can’t help but notice THE BODY LANGUAGE going on in the Rock ‘n Rave Infection - when you see Hoyt and Hemme lip locking, you can see that look of disgust on Jimmy Rave’s face!
Tenay - I have to agree! Those three are united in their complaints about LAX, but other than that, they don’t seem to be on the same page at all! You can get the latest breaking news about Turning Point on TNA Mobile!
Storm - Eric, I got something to say to you! I’m here for the second annual world drinking championship!
Tenay - I DIDN’T GET THIS MEMO! SECOND ANNUAL!?
Storm - I want my strap back, guys, get the tables in here, it’s gonna be a speed drinking contest!
Tenay - You can see them setting up the tables, when we come back on Impact, Storm and Young - speed drinking!
Tenay - Last week it was the Turkey Bowl, this week, it’s SPEED DRINKING with James Storm and Eric Young!
Tenay - I think Eric’s showing that he can hold his booze!
DW - First, I wanna say DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME… unless you are 21, and second, a HIGHLY-TRAINED PROFESSIONAL!
Tenay - I know some people that are over 21 THAT SHOULDN’T TRY THIS AT HOME!
Tenay - This is the best officiating I’ve ever seen from Rudy Charles, as he lets us know that it’s 4-4 as we approach 20 seconds!
DW - Eric Young’s done it 6 to 5!
(Storms bashes EY with a beer bottle)Tenay - MY GOD!
DW - OH MY GOD, HE BROKE IT RIGHT ON HIS FACE!
Tenay - LOOK AT THE BLOOD COME OUT OF ERIC YOUNG LIKE A FAUCET!
Storm - I AM THE WORLD DRINKING CHAMPION! SORRY ABOUT YOUR DAMN LUCK, ERIC YOUNG!
Tenay - The fun and games turned serious for Eric Young, NOW LET’S GO TO JEREMY BORASH, WITH AJ STYLES AND TOMKO!
Styles - I just want to let everyone know that AJ Styles, Tomko, Kurt Angle, and Christian Cage will be running like a well-oiled machine - on all four cylinders! We’re like a family… like the Waltons!
Tomko - Guess what, John-boy, Kurt and Christian HATE each other.
Styles - Who told you that, come on! Look at it like this, Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie - back together. David Lee Roth, Eddie Van Halen - back together, it’s not a big deal, we just need to sit down and talk about it.
Tomko - Too much TMZ, too much TMZ… Let’s go see if we can get them together, because we’ve got a match!
Styles - I know…
Tomko - Well then let’s go…
Deep-voiced ad guy - Later tonight, Rhino takes on Rellik, but up next, it’s the “Big Boy street fight” as the Guru Sonjay Dutt and “Black Machismo” Jay Lethal battle Team 3D!
Tenay - TNA returns to Pay-Per-View this Sunday! Get ready to see FEAST OR FIRED! 15 competitors vying for 4 cases hanging in 4 corners of the ring. In 3 of the cases, shots at the TNA world’s heavyweight title, the X division championship, and the TNA World tag team titles, but in that fourth case, a certificate that says YOU ARE FIRED (VKM shows up on-screen)
Penzer - The next contest is an anything goes, “Big Boys Street Fight!” match, scheduled for one fall.
DW - The Guru’s gonna have to give up his “love everybody” attitude, because tonight, he’s in a street fight!
Tenay - This is what happened during the commercial break!
DW - Well, you can see Jay Lethal taking that ding dong out of the wrapper and just JAMS IT in Brother Devon’s mouth! Then garbage can shots one after another, and then they put the wrapper right into his (Ray’s) mouth, too!
AJ - Kurt, PLEASE TALK TO CHRISTIAN!
Kurt - AJ, no, we’ll talk when we get out there. Why are you worried, YOU’RE WITH THE ANGLE ALLIANCE NOW!
AJ - I’m on both teams, Karen said so!
Kurt - Karen, did you tell AJ he could be on both teams?
Karen - I did when I had to do to take care of business. Yes, I said it.
AJ - See?
Kurt - Well then, I know who’s going to talk to Christian, you are (points to Karen)
Karen - I AM NOT TALKING TO HIM!
Kurt - YES YOU ARE!
AJ (to Tomko) - See, told you everything would be okay!
Tomko - Yeah… everything’s great…
AJ - It’s working…
Tenay - At Turning Point, violence will be guaranteed as it’s the MATCH OF 10,000 TACKS (video then shows “10,000 tacks!” over and over again)
Penzer - Introducing first, FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL, RELLIK!
Tenay - Very few answers to our questions about Rellik have been answered. What we DO know is that he came out of Black Reign’s black box earlier this month at Genesis to assist Dustin Rhodes’ alter ego in what turned out to be a brutal beat down of Abyss!
Tenay - Tonight’s main event with Kurt Angle, Christian, Tomko, AJ Styles, and Scott Steiner not only has STAR POWER, but INTRIGUE!
Tenay - We invite you to watch the Road to Turning Point this Saturday night, where we’ll not only have all the late-breaking news about Turning Point, but also show you the SHOP OF HORROS BOUT between Black Reign and the Monster Abyss - that’ll get you in the mindset for the match of 10,000 tacks!
Tenay - Rellik, WHICH IS KILLER SPELLED BACKWARDS, arrived at Genesis as we showed you. This is an individual we don’t know much about!
DW - You’re so right, Mike, there are a lot of questions about the past of Rellik!
Tomko (to AJ) - You nervous?
AJ - Nervous!? I tried to talk to him, but he wouldn’t listen, and I’ve gotta pee!
J.B. - I know you’ve gotta pee, but hold it, all right? Listen, now that we’re all family here, you know, you guys… me and the Angles, you’ve gotta listen to me - Karen Angle taught me something about TCB, that’s taking care of business. The four Cs - casually, cool, calm, and collected. You gotta be relaxed when you go in and talk to him, you gotta breathe in, you gotta breathe deep. Ready? (AJ and J.B. breathe, Tomko smirks, then J.B. looks at Tomko to breathe…)
Tomko - …no…(J.B. finishes breathing with AJ)
J.B. - See, don’t you feel better already!?
AJ - …a little bit, but I’d feel better if Tomko went in first.
J.B. - Right, he’s gotta go in first.
(they go in)AJ - He’s on the phone, he’s on the phone…
Cage - Goodbye…
AJ - Christian, HEY MAN, HEY BUDDY! (Cage chokes him and shoves him into a wall)
Cage - GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME! YOU TWO MAKE ME SICK! THE BOTH OF YOU! IT TAKES YOU THREE WEEKS TO GET THE GUTS TO COME AND FACE ME!? You had your chance last week in the triple threat match, AJ, but you ran away from me! Not only that, you stole the win from me, and then ran away again!
AJ - No I didn’t…
Cage - YES YOU DID!
AJ - Yes, but I didn’t mean to…it backfired…
Cage - It doesn’t matter now, it doesn’t matter!
(to Tomko)Cage - I wanna know WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING, HUH?!
Tomko - You told me not to think.
Cage - Is that right? Now we’re just gonna point fingers, is that gonna solve this problem?!
Cage (to AJ) - You know what, I made you captain, I put you in charge, AND YOU SCREWED IT UP!
AJ - I didn’t mean to…
Cage - Well, you did, and I’m glad I haven’t spoken to either one of you, because it COULD HAVE GOTTEN really ugly! And it was going to, but you know what? I realized something - I had a moment of clarity, and I realized this - I don’t need the two of you, the two of you need me! YOU NEED THE CHAMP! So guess what guys? I hope you’re happy with your decision. I hope you’re happy, AJ, because as of now, as of this day, the Christian Coalition is no more! WE ARE FINISHED!
AJ - No, no no no, wait a minute! Come on now, boss.
Cage - I’m not your boss anymore.
AJ - Yes you are!
Cage - No I’m not, hit the bricks. GET OUT of here. Go put some lip gloss on and go kiss Kurt’s ass.
AJ - No, it’s not like that! Both of you guys are my boss. Back in the day, I worked at my Aunt Bea’s Biscuit Barn, she was my boss, and my dad across the street had a hardware store, he was my boss, and they were cool with it!
Cage - AJ, I’m not your dad.
AJ - I look at you kind of like a father figure though.
Cage - Oh, is that right?
AJ - Yeah.
Cage - Okay, let me ask you this - Would you embarrass your father the way that you embarrassed me?
AJ - I didn’t mean to…
Cage - AJ, we’re done!
AJ - Nooo! Christian, please! Come on, man. WE’LL SWITCH SOME PICTURES IN YOUR OFFICE! Man, I’ll do anything! I’m so… I DIDN’T MEAN TO! I’m sorry. Tomko knows! (Tomko shakes head from side to side)
Cage - GET A GRIP all right, you’re embarrassing yourself!
AJ - I’ll do anything!
Cage - Okay, you wanna do something?
AJ - Yeah.
Cage - Okay, now that I think about it , you can do this. I actually wouldn’t mind talking to Kurt Angle, so why don’t you go find your “other boss” , bring him here, and tell him he’s got two minutes to explain to me what’s going on!
AJ - Okay… right now?
Cage - RIGHT NOW! GO!
AJ - Hey.. Okay, I’ll get Karen! I’ll get Karen!
Cage - …did he just say he’s gonna get Karen?
Tomko - …yeah, Kurt said he’s not gonna meet with you.
Cage - Son of a bitch! (show goes to commercial)
(show comes back)Tenay - THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, AJ STYLES HAS BEEN TRYING TO ORGANIZE A MEETING BETWEEN THE ALLIANCE AND THE COALITION, NOW LET’S CHECK OUT THE SUMMIT!
(AJ, Tomko, Karen, Christian, and J.B. are in a board room)AJ - HERE YE, HERE YE, I now call to order the Christian Coalition, the Angle Alliance. All present, please say “I”.
J.B. - I!
AJ - Thank you, Jeremy.
Cage - I…
AJ - Thanks buddy!
Tomko - I.
Karen - I.
AJ - GREAT! Now, we are all gathered here tonight in agreement to work as a team. For the betterment of not only the people in this room, but for TNA, and mankind as a whole! So, with that being said, Karen, Christian, please shake hands. (Karen and Christian smirk)
AJ - Karen, you said I could be on both teams, come on. Christian, at one point in time, you said that I was like a son to you… I’m just sayin… Please guys? Karen… (Karen walks up to Christian, extends hand, Christian shakes it, AJ looks up to the heavens with joy)
AJ - NOW WITH THE POWER VESTED IN ME, I NOW PRESENT TO YOU THE COALITION, THE ALLIANCE - A TEAM! WOOOOO! (AJ dives on table, belts, paperwork, a mic, and has a joyous spasm) I TOLD YOU IT WOULD WORK! YEAH! (to Tomko, Karen then pity claps) Group hug, how about it? Come on, Tomko, come on, big guy. YEAH! IT WORKS! Let’s go get ready for our match.
Cage - You guys go ahead, I want to talk to Karen about business here for a minute.
AJ - Okay, share the love, baby! Come on, Tomko!
Cage (who violently grabs Karen) - Listen to me, let’s get one thing straight. Tonight, I’m going out there for one reason, and one reason only - that’s to win! That’s what I always do - I’m a winner! You got that!? Business is business, right? Isn’t that what you always say? Get one thing else straight - if you and Kurt try to screw me in any way, it’s gonna be the worst thing that either one of you can ever do! NOBODY PLAYS THE CHAMP, you understand me? Nobody.
Karen - I understand.
Cage - Good.
Karen - Now get your hands off me!
DW - You can see Ms. Brooks look into the stands for that crazed superfan of Robert Roode, we remember what happened between the two of them on Impact! (no clip of this is shown)
Tenay - Booker T has come to TNA to add to his legacy and win the TNA World title. He’ll be facing new talent, and tonight, it’s the first one-on-one meeting between he and Robert Roode!
(crazed superfan stares a hole through Brooks)DW - That just gives me flashbacks to Glenn Close in “Fatal Attraction” right there! That’s a wicked look on her face right there!
(Christian and Kaz come out after the Roode-Booker match)Tenay - Boy, I’d love to see them mix it up at Turning Point. Make it happen!
Tenay - Let’s go back to Crystal with Scott Steiner, one of the men competing in Feast or Fired at Turning Point!
Crystal - Scott, tonight you’re in a big 8-man tag…
Scott Steiner - Since you know so much about the match, WHY AM I IN AN 8-MAN TAG, see, I don’t got no friends, I don’t want no friends, I don’t like my opponents, I don’t like my partners… Why don’t you explain to me why I’m in an 8-man tag since you know everything about my match, and tell me another thing, Carmen, tell me why Jim Cornette hasn’t given me a world title shot.
Crystal - Okay, first of all, it’s Crystal. Second of all, you’re gonna get your chance for a title shot, all you have to do is grab the case with the free pass for the world heavyweight championship.
Scott Steiner - Okay, Caroline, explain to me this, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Crystal - Okay… at Turning Point, there’s gonna be a match that you’re gonna be in called “Feast or Fired” . There’s gonna be 12 guys, 4 cases, in 4 corners of the ring. One’s got a free pass for the world heavyweight title shot, one for the X division title shot, and one for the tag team title shot.
Scott Steiner - So all I gotta do is grab a little box and I get the world title shot?
Crystal - Well… you see, there’s a liiitttlllee twist, the fourth box has a “you’re fired” certificate in it , and if you get that one, you’re gone from TNA.
Scott Steiner - Someone’s gonna fire me? Who’s got the Spaldings to fire me?! Jim Cornette? I tell you what, since you’re so impressed with me right now, watch Turning Point, where I’ll impress you with how I get a world title shot.
Tenay - I think Scott Steiner intimidated Crystal to the point that there are 15 MEN competing in “Feast or Fired”!
(AJ comes out)DW - He’s bouncing again - he’s happy he can be on both sides, and feels great with the job he’s done as the captain!
Tenay - The UPWARD MOVEMENT of Kaz in TNA has been the headline story for the past few weeks. First, he wins the ladder match against Christian, then he comes THIS CLOSE to winning the TNA World title from Kurt Angle, and now he once again finds himself in the main event here on Impact!
Tenay - At Turning Point, Scott Steiner will compete against 14 other men in the first-ever Feast or Fired match - IT’S THE ULTIMATE EXAMPLE OF RISK AND REWARD! Four cases will be hanging in the ring, three contain title shots - THAT’S THE REWARD ASPECT! The risk aspect is that the fourth case has a message that says “YOU’RE FIRED!”. Scott Steiner says I have no opponents, I have no friends, I have no partners.
DW - At Turning Point, Abyss will team up with Rhino against the violent, CREEPY pairing of Black Reign and of course, the new monster, Rellik.
Tenay - Kurt Angle may call them the over-the-hillers, but Hall and Nash went NEW SCHOOL when they picked Samoa Joe as their partner at Turning Point!
Tenay - Welcome back to Impact everybody, this is the opening bell for our Impact main event, and the LATE BREAKING NEWS about our Turning Point Pay-Per-View is available on TNA Mobile!
(J.B. interrupts Christian)Cage - You wanna know what I was talking to Bobby Roode about?
Roode - …it’s Robert Roode…
Cage - That’s what I said.
Roode - Why am I listening to you again?
Cage - Because I know what I’m talking about, that’s why!
(on TNA’s main event scene)Roode - It’s like a revolving door of has-beens! First it was Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, and now… Booker T?! Tonight, he’s going to find out that it PAYS TO BE ROODE!
Cage - That’s what I’m talking about - GO GET ‘IM BOBBY!
(to crowd)Booker - What’s up, y’all?!
Crowd - Booker T, Booker T, Booker T!
Booker - For the last month, my website - bookertonline.com! has been BLOWING UP because everybody wants to know why I left the WWE!
Crowd - THEY SUCK! THEY SUCK! THEY SUCK!
Booker - Wait a minute… I left for many, many reasons. I know everybody wants to know, so when the Booker comes out, I’m gonna tell the whole damn world why I left, but tonight, I came to talk about why I’m here in TNA. I’m here because it’s the hottest thing going, I’m here to test my wits and my skills against the best young competitors today. I’m here to take TNA to the higher level. I’m here to make TNA the best damn wrestling organization in the world!
Crowd - Booker T, Booker T!
Booker - I’m here to finish what I started 18 years ago, and go out the same way I came in - shocking and amazing the crowd, and do it better than anyone has before me! TNA World title? I want it around my 32 inch waistline! And I’m gonna do it like it’s supposed to be done, make them want to play my son and say DADDY, I DON’T WANT NONE, I’VE HAD ENOUGH! Like I always say, get some, want some, yo ass betta be big enough to take some, now it’s on like neck bone!
DW - Now Mike Tenay, that’s what WE WERE EXPECTING!
Tenay - WAIT A MINUTE, THAT’S ROBERT ROODE!
Roode - I’m here to tell you why you aren’t welcome here in TNA!
Tenay - CHRISTIAN CAGE HAS CONVINCED THEM THAT BOOKER T IS HERE TO TAKE THEIR SPOTS!
Roode - My name is Robert Roode, and I am the future of this company!
Booker - Who?
Roode - I’ve been busting my butt for four years to climb the ladder, and every time one of you washed up has-beens from the other side of the tracks comes here, I get pushed right back down!
DW - Washed-up has-beens!?
Tenay - IS HE KIDDING!?
Roode - Why don’t you prove that you’re the superstar you think you are?
DW - IS HE CHALLENGING HIM TO A MATCH!? OH I’D LOVE TO SEE THAT!
Roode - How about this - I leave my skank in the back, you leave your skank in the back…
Booker - Woah, woah, woah, woah - wait a minute man, you can say what you want to say about that skeezer, but this is my wife, so watch what you say before you get your ass whooped!
Roode - My ass? Why don’t you try it, punk!?
(Sharmell tries to hold Booker back)Roode - Oh, I see - your tramp won’t let you fight! (Booker gets enraged)
Tenay - OH THAT’S IT, THAT’S THE ONE THAT SET OFF BOOKER T! He’s gonna meet Robert Roode face-to-face!
Roode - You and me, right here tonight!
DW - OH YEAH!
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Tenay - FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS, CHRISTY HEMME HAS BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING BRUTALLY ATTACKED BY LAX! FOR THE LATEST ON THAT, WE GO TO THE BACK WITH CRYSTAL!
Hemme - I was attacked by a member of the Latino nation, and apparently, Jim Cornette is going to do nothing about it! A man hitting a woman isn’t allowed here!
Tenay - Christy Hemme was outraged by the man-on-woman violence, which ISN’T ALLOWED HERE ON SPIKE TV!
DW - Well, that’s true, but you can’t help but notice THE BODY LANGUAGE going on in the Rock ‘n Rave Infection - when you see Hoyt and Hemme lip locking, you can see that look of disgust on Jimmy Rave’s face!
Tenay - I have to agree! Those three are united in their complaints about LAX, but other than that, they don’t seem to be on the same page at all! You can get the latest breaking news about Turning Point on TNA Mobile!
Storm - Eric, I got something to say to you! I’m here for the second annual world drinking championship!
Tenay - I DIDN’T GET THIS MEMO! SECOND ANNUAL!?
Storm - I want my strap back, guys, get the tables in here, it’s gonna be a speed drinking contest!
Tenay - You can see them setting up the tables, when we come back on Impact, Storm and Young - speed drinking!
Tenay - Last week it was the Turkey Bowl, this week, it’s SPEED DRINKING with James Storm and Eric Young!
Tenay - I think Eric’s showing that he can hold his booze!
DW - First, I wanna say DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME… unless you are 21, and second, a HIGHLY-TRAINED PROFESSIONAL!
Tenay - I know some people that are over 21 THAT SHOULDN’T TRY THIS AT HOME!
Tenay - This is the best officiating I’ve ever seen from Rudy Charles, as he lets us know that it’s 4-4 as we approach 20 seconds!
DW - Eric Young’s done it 6 to 5!
(Storms bashes EY with a beer bottle)Tenay - MY GOD!
DW - OH MY GOD, HE BROKE IT RIGHT ON HIS FACE!
Tenay - LOOK AT THE BLOOD COME OUT OF ERIC YOUNG LIKE A FAUCET!
Storm - I AM THE WORLD DRINKING CHAMPION! SORRY ABOUT YOUR DAMN LUCK, ERIC YOUNG!
Tenay - The fun and games turned serious for Eric Young, NOW LET’S GO TO JEREMY BORASH, WITH AJ STYLES AND TOMKO!
Styles - I just want to let everyone know that AJ Styles, Tomko, Kurt Angle, and Christian Cage will be running like a well-oiled machine - on all four cylinders! We’re like a family… like the Waltons!
Tomko - Guess what, John-boy, Kurt and Christian HATE each other.
Styles - Who told you that, come on! Look at it like this, Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie - back together. David Lee Roth, Eddie Van Halen - back together, it’s not a big deal, we just need to sit down and talk about it.
Tomko - Too much TMZ, too much TMZ… Let’s go see if we can get them together, because we’ve got a match!
Styles - I know…
Tomko - Well then let’s go…
Deep-voiced ad guy - Later tonight, Rhino takes on Rellik, but up next, it’s the “Big Boy street fight” as the Guru Sonjay Dutt and “Black Machismo” Jay Lethal battle Team 3D!
Tenay - TNA returns to Pay-Per-View this Sunday! Get ready to see FEAST OR FIRED! 15 competitors vying for 4 cases hanging in 4 corners of the ring. In 3 of the cases, shots at the TNA world’s heavyweight title, the X division championship, and the TNA World tag team titles, but in that fourth case, a certificate that says YOU ARE FIRED (VKM shows up on-screen)
Penzer - The next contest is an anything goes, “Big Boys Street Fight!” match, scheduled for one fall.
DW - The Guru’s gonna have to give up his “love everybody” attitude, because tonight, he’s in a street fight!
Tenay - This is what happened during the commercial break!
DW - Well, you can see Jay Lethal taking that ding dong out of the wrapper and just JAMS IT in Brother Devon’s mouth! Then garbage can shots one after another, and then they put the wrapper right into his (Ray’s) mouth, too!
AJ - Kurt, PLEASE TALK TO CHRISTIAN!
Kurt - AJ, no, we’ll talk when we get out there. Why are you worried, YOU’RE WITH THE ANGLE ALLIANCE NOW!
AJ - I’m on both teams, Karen said so!
Kurt - Karen, did you tell AJ he could be on both teams?
Karen - I did when I had to do to take care of business. Yes, I said it.
AJ - See?
Kurt - Well then, I know who’s going to talk to Christian, you are (points to Karen)
Karen - I AM NOT TALKING TO HIM!
Kurt - YES YOU ARE!
AJ (to Tomko) - See, told you everything would be okay!
Tomko - Yeah… everything’s great…
AJ - It’s working…
Tenay - At Turning Point, violence will be guaranteed as it’s the MATCH OF 10,000 TACKS (video then shows “10,000 tacks!” over and over again)
Penzer - Introducing first, FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL, RELLIK!
Tenay - Very few answers to our questions about Rellik have been answered. What we DO know is that he came out of Black Reign’s black box earlier this month at Genesis to assist Dustin Rhodes’ alter ego in what turned out to be a brutal beat down of Abyss!
Tenay - Tonight’s main event with Kurt Angle, Christian, Tomko, AJ Styles, and Scott Steiner not only has STAR POWER, but INTRIGUE!
Tenay - We invite you to watch the Road to Turning Point this Saturday night, where we’ll not only have all the late-breaking news about Turning Point, but also show you the SHOP OF HORROS BOUT between Black Reign and the Monster Abyss - that’ll get you in the mindset for the match of 10,000 tacks!
Tenay - Rellik, WHICH IS KILLER SPELLED BACKWARDS, arrived at Genesis as we showed you. This is an individual we don’t know much about!
DW - You’re so right, Mike, there are a lot of questions about the past of Rellik!
Tomko (to AJ) - You nervous?
AJ - Nervous!? I tried to talk to him, but he wouldn’t listen, and I’ve gotta pee!
J.B. - I know you’ve gotta pee, but hold it, all right? Listen, now that we’re all family here, you know, you guys… me and the Angles, you’ve gotta listen to me - Karen Angle taught me something about TCB, that’s taking care of business. The four Cs - casually, cool, calm, and collected. You gotta be relaxed when you go in and talk to him, you gotta breathe in, you gotta breathe deep. Ready? (AJ and J.B. breathe, Tomko smirks, then J.B. looks at Tomko to breathe…)
Tomko - …no…(J.B. finishes breathing with AJ)
J.B. - See, don’t you feel better already!?
AJ - …a little bit, but I’d feel better if Tomko went in first.
J.B. - Right, he’s gotta go in first.
(they go in)AJ - He’s on the phone, he’s on the phone…
Cage - Goodbye…
AJ - Christian, HEY MAN, HEY BUDDY! (Cage chokes him and shoves him into a wall)
Cage - GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME! YOU TWO MAKE ME SICK! THE BOTH OF YOU! IT TAKES YOU THREE WEEKS TO GET THE GUTS TO COME AND FACE ME!? You had your chance last week in the triple threat match, AJ, but you ran away from me! Not only that, you stole the win from me, and then ran away again!
AJ - No I didn’t…
Cage - YES YOU DID!
AJ - Yes, but I didn’t mean to…it backfired…
Cage - It doesn’t matter now, it doesn’t matter!
(to Tomko)Cage - I wanna know WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING, HUH?!
Tomko - You told me not to think.
Cage - Is that right? Now we’re just gonna point fingers, is that gonna solve this problem?!
Cage (to AJ) - You know what, I made you captain, I put you in charge, AND YOU SCREWED IT UP!
AJ - I didn’t mean to…
Cage - Well, you did, and I’m glad I haven’t spoken to either one of you, because it COULD HAVE GOTTEN really ugly! And it was going to, but you know what? I realized something - I had a moment of clarity, and I realized this - I don’t need the two of you, the two of you need me! YOU NEED THE CHAMP! So guess what guys? I hope you’re happy with your decision. I hope you’re happy, AJ, because as of now, as of this day, the Christian Coalition is no more! WE ARE FINISHED!
AJ - No, no no no, wait a minute! Come on now, boss.
Cage - I’m not your boss anymore.
AJ - Yes you are!
Cage - No I’m not, hit the bricks. GET OUT of here. Go put some lip gloss on and go kiss Kurt’s ass.
AJ - No, it’s not like that! Both of you guys are my boss. Back in the day, I worked at my Aunt Bea’s Biscuit Barn, she was my boss, and my dad across the street had a hardware store, he was my boss, and they were cool with it!
Cage - AJ, I’m not your dad.
AJ - I look at you kind of like a father figure though.
Cage - Oh, is that right?
AJ - Yeah.
Cage - Okay, let me ask you this - Would you embarrass your father the way that you embarrassed me?
AJ - I didn’t mean to…
Cage - AJ, we’re done!
AJ - Nooo! Christian, please! Come on, man. WE’LL SWITCH SOME PICTURES IN YOUR OFFICE! Man, I’ll do anything! I’m so… I DIDN’T MEAN TO! I’m sorry. Tomko knows! (Tomko shakes head from side to side)
Cage - GET A GRIP all right, you’re embarrassing yourself!
AJ - I’ll do anything!
Cage - Okay, you wanna do something?
AJ - Yeah.
Cage - Okay, now that I think about it , you can do this. I actually wouldn’t mind talking to Kurt Angle, so why don’t you go find your “other boss” , bring him here, and tell him he’s got two minutes to explain to me what’s going on!
AJ - Okay… right now?
Cage - RIGHT NOW! GO!
AJ - Hey.. Okay, I’ll get Karen! I’ll get Karen!
Cage - …did he just say he’s gonna get Karen?
Tomko - …yeah, Kurt said he’s not gonna meet with you.
Cage - Son of a bitch! (show goes to commercial)
(show comes back)Tenay - THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, AJ STYLES HAS BEEN TRYING TO ORGANIZE A MEETING BETWEEN THE ALLIANCE AND THE COALITION, NOW LET’S CHECK OUT THE SUMMIT!
(AJ, Tomko, Karen, Christian, and J.B. are in a board room)AJ - HERE YE, HERE YE, I now call to order the Christian Coalition, the Angle Alliance. All present, please say “I”.
J.B. - I!
AJ - Thank you, Jeremy.
Cage - I…
AJ - Thanks buddy!
Tomko - I.
Karen - I.
AJ - GREAT! Now, we are all gathered here tonight in agreement to work as a team. For the betterment of not only the people in this room, but for TNA, and mankind as a whole! So, with that being said, Karen, Christian, please shake hands. (Karen and Christian smirk)
AJ - Karen, you said I could be on both teams, come on. Christian, at one point in time, you said that I was like a son to you… I’m just sayin… Please guys? Karen… (Karen walks up to Christian, extends hand, Christian shakes it, AJ looks up to the heavens with joy)
AJ - NOW WITH THE POWER VESTED IN ME, I NOW PRESENT TO YOU THE COALITION, THE ALLIANCE - A TEAM! WOOOOO! (AJ dives on table, belts, paperwork, a mic, and has a joyous spasm) I TOLD YOU IT WOULD WORK! YEAH! (to Tomko, Karen then pity claps) Group hug, how about it? Come on, Tomko, come on, big guy. YEAH! IT WORKS! Let’s go get ready for our match.
Cage - You guys go ahead, I want to talk to Karen about business here for a minute.
AJ - Okay, share the love, baby! Come on, Tomko!
Cage (who violently grabs Karen) - Listen to me, let’s get one thing straight. Tonight, I’m going out there for one reason, and one reason only - that’s to win! That’s what I always do - I’m a winner! You got that!? Business is business, right? Isn’t that what you always say? Get one thing else straight - if you and Kurt try to screw me in any way, it’s gonna be the worst thing that either one of you can ever do! NOBODY PLAYS THE CHAMP, you understand me? Nobody.
Karen - I understand.
Cage - Good.
Karen - Now get your hands off me!
DW - You can see Ms. Brooks look into the stands for that crazed superfan of Robert Roode, we remember what happened between the two of them on Impact! (no clip of this is shown)
Tenay - Booker T has come to TNA to add to his legacy and win the TNA World title. He’ll be facing new talent, and tonight, it’s the first one-on-one meeting between he and Robert Roode!
(crazed superfan stares a hole through Brooks)DW - That just gives me flashbacks to Glenn Close in “Fatal Attraction” right there! That’s a wicked look on her face right there!
(Christian and Kaz come out after the Roode-Booker match)Tenay - Boy, I’d love to see them mix it up at Turning Point. Make it happen!
Tenay - Let’s go back to Crystal with Scott Steiner, one of the men competing in Feast or Fired at Turning Point!
Crystal - Scott, tonight you’re in a big 8-man tag…
Scott Steiner - Since you know so much about the match, WHY AM I IN AN 8-MAN TAG, see, I don’t got no friends, I don’t want no friends, I don’t like my opponents, I don’t like my partners… Why don’t you explain to me why I’m in an 8-man tag since you know everything about my match, and tell me another thing, Carmen, tell me why Jim Cornette hasn’t given me a world title shot.
Crystal - Okay, first of all, it’s Crystal. Second of all, you’re gonna get your chance for a title shot, all you have to do is grab the case with the free pass for the world heavyweight championship.
Scott Steiner - Okay, Caroline, explain to me this, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Crystal - Okay… at Turning Point, there’s gonna be a match that you’re gonna be in called “Feast or Fired” . There’s gonna be 12 guys, 4 cases, in 4 corners of the ring. One’s got a free pass for the world heavyweight title shot, one for the X division title shot, and one for the tag team title shot.
Scott Steiner - So all I gotta do is grab a little box and I get the world title shot?
Crystal - Well… you see, there’s a liiitttlllee twist, the fourth box has a “you’re fired” certificate in it , and if you get that one, you’re gone from TNA.
Scott Steiner - Someone’s gonna fire me? Who’s got the Spaldings to fire me?! Jim Cornette? I tell you what, since you’re so impressed with me right now, watch Turning Point, where I’ll impress you with how I get a world title shot.
Tenay - I think Scott Steiner intimidated Crystal to the point that there are 15 MEN competing in “Feast or Fired”!
(AJ comes out)DW - He’s bouncing again - he’s happy he can be on both sides, and feels great with the job he’s done as the captain!
Tenay - The UPWARD MOVEMENT of Kaz in TNA has been the headline story for the past few weeks. First, he wins the ladder match against Christian, then he comes THIS CLOSE to winning the TNA World title from Kurt Angle, and now he once again finds himself in the main event here on Impact!
Tenay - At Turning Point, Scott Steiner will compete against 14 other men in the first-ever Feast or Fired match - IT’S THE ULTIMATE EXAMPLE OF RISK AND REWARD! Four cases will be hanging in the ring, three contain title shots - THAT’S THE REWARD ASPECT! The risk aspect is that the fourth case has a message that says “YOU’RE FIRED!”. Scott Steiner says I have no opponents, I have no friends, I have no partners.
DW - At Turning Point, Abyss will team up with Rhino against the violent, CREEPY pairing of Black Reign and of course, the new monster, Rellik.
Tenay - Kurt Angle may call them the over-the-hillers, but Hall and Nash went NEW SCHOOL when they picked Samoa Joe as their partner at Turning Point!
Tenay - Welcome back to Impact everybody, this is the opening bell for our Impact main event, and the LATE BREAKING NEWS about our Turning Point Pay-Per-View is available on TNA Mobile!
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Several weeks ago we reported that Sabu had showed up to a TNA iMPACT! taping looking for work and was turned away. New details have been released regarding that situation.
Sabu was scheduled to appear at the TNA iMPACT tapings two weeks ago but never showed up because he missed his flight.
During a segment when Abyss was getting beat down by Black Reign and Rellik, Sabu was supposed to run in and save Abyss. Because Sabu missed his flight, TNA instead had Rhino do the save. Sabu was also scheduled to work the next night's iMPACT tapings, but by then TNA had already written him out of storylines and the general feeling was that he wasn't needed anymore.
TNA had long-term plans for Sabu, but it won't be until after the Turning Point PPV in December that they will consider bringing him in again.
Sabu was scheduled to appear at the TNA iMPACT tapings two weeks ago but never showed up because he missed his flight.
During a segment when Abyss was getting beat down by Black Reign and Rellik, Sabu was supposed to run in and save Abyss. Because Sabu missed his flight, TNA instead had Rhino do the save. Sabu was also scheduled to work the next night's iMPACT tapings, but by then TNA had already written him out of storylines and the general feeling was that he wasn't needed anymore.
TNA had long-term plans for Sabu, but it won't be until after the Turning Point PPV in December that they will consider bringing him in again.
So a couple days ago I finished the Rey Mysterio DVD set. I give it a 7 out of 10. It would be higher if I didn't already own Eddie's set and the earlier Rey one. There are a few redundant matches that I personally could do without but are important. I did notice a few things that sort of surprised me.
1. I forgot how awesome Rey's WCW music was. I appreciate that WWE is trying to be sort of hip and edgy with their vocal entrance themes but Rey got the short end of the stick as far as music goes(haha, short).
2. Wow the WM match between Rey, Angle and Orton was short. I mean, even if Orton wasn't ready for a 20+ minute match, Rey and Angle certainly could go. Why not have Orton "knocked out" early on and let them try to steal the show. It's probably the shortest WM main event level match that I've seen recently.
3. Rey's exit and return from his recent knee surgery really don't do it for me. Losing to Chavo, beating Chavo. Whatever. Chavo hasn't really entertained me since Eddie put Pepe (that was his horse-stick right?) through the woodchipper.
The good news is that most of the matches are really good. There's alot of Dean Malenko and Eddie Guerrero. The random one-off matches against Blitzkreig and Super Calo are great as well.
I think I found it for 19.xx at Wal-Mart, well worth it for that even if you wind up skipping half the matches.
1. I forgot how awesome Rey's WCW music was. I appreciate that WWE is trying to be sort of hip and edgy with their vocal entrance themes but Rey got the short end of the stick as far as music goes(haha, short).
2. Wow the WM match between Rey, Angle and Orton was short. I mean, even if Orton wasn't ready for a 20+ minute match, Rey and Angle certainly could go. Why not have Orton "knocked out" early on and let them try to steal the show. It's probably the shortest WM main event level match that I've seen recently.
3. Rey's exit and return from his recent knee surgery really don't do it for me. Losing to Chavo, beating Chavo. Whatever. Chavo hasn't really entertained me since Eddie put Pepe (that was his horse-stick right?) through the woodchipper.
The good news is that most of the matches are really good. There's alot of Dean Malenko and Eddie Guerrero. The random one-off matches against Blitzkreig and Super Calo are great as well.
I think I found it for 19.xx at Wal-Mart, well worth it for that even if you wind up skipping half the matches.
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[quote name='Halo05']1. I forgot how awesome Rey's WCW music was. I appreciate that WWE is trying to be sort of hip and edgy with their vocal entrance themes but Rey got the short end of the stick as far as music goes(haha, short).
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You mean that theme that goes, "What time is it?"
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You mean that theme that goes, "What time is it?"
No, lemme see if I can find a youtube of it.
Here it is. [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHAbOSVj18A[/MEDIA]
Not perfect but more universal than his later themes. Plus it was cool to have such a small guy coming out to such ominous music.
EDIT - While I'm thinking about it, my vote for best theme music ever goes to RVD's ECW theme. "Walk" had such a driving beat to it, plus he could point to himself in time with the music. Sabu's ECW theme, "Huka Blues" earns a close second.
Here it is. [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHAbOSVj18A[/MEDIA]
Not perfect but more universal than his later themes. Plus it was cool to have such a small guy coming out to such ominous music.
EDIT - While I'm thinking about it, my vote for best theme music ever goes to RVD's ECW theme. "Walk" had such a driving beat to it, plus he could point to himself in time with the music. Sabu's ECW theme, "Huka Blues" earns a close second.
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walk was a bad ass song
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After that match Punk looks like he might have hurt his arm. Hope he's alright.
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Ring of Honor MAN UP Thoughts Part 01
The first thing I've noticed is the fact that either a crapload of more people came to the 3rd PPV than Driven or that Ring of Honor did something to the seating arrangements to make the Frontier Fieldhouse look filled to the brim. It definitely gives the show a bigger presence than Driven.
It also looks like they attached some kind of telephoto lens to their cameras because the depth of field is noticably better than the prior two shows. They've also establsihed much better camera positions so that the show has a more fuller/less indie feeling to it. The audio doesn't sound nearly as bad as Respect is Earned or Driven.
The first match is Marafuji vs. Nigel McGuinness vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Chris Hero. Overall this is a good match and not all that much of a cluster considering everything. It wasn't as fast paced a spotfest as the Driven opening match but this was much more technically sound. No spoilers of course.
The first thing I've noticed is the fact that either a crapload of more people came to the 3rd PPV than Driven or that Ring of Honor did something to the seating arrangements to make the Frontier Fieldhouse look filled to the brim. It definitely gives the show a bigger presence than Driven.
It also looks like they attached some kind of telephoto lens to their cameras because the depth of field is noticably better than the prior two shows. They've also establsihed much better camera positions so that the show has a more fuller/less indie feeling to it. The audio doesn't sound nearly as bad as Respect is Earned or Driven.
The first match is Marafuji vs. Nigel McGuinness vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Chris Hero. Overall this is a good match and not all that much of a cluster
considering everything. It wasn't as fast paced a spotfest as the Driven opening match but this was much more technically sound. No spoilers of course.
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pretty much got the confirmation.. heading up to orlando for the weekend..leaving tomm morning
my crazy friend wants to pull an alldayer at universal on sunday for the tna.. he wants to get there at 9am which i think is ridiculous but w.e..he's determined to get front row standing area
looking forward to my my sunday which will consist of standing from 9am until 7:30 pm where they finally let us in.. with minimal food until after the ppv.. to then drive back
my crazy friend wants to pull an alldayer at universal on sunday for the tna.. he wants to get there at 9am which i think is ridiculous but w.e..he's determined to get front row standing area
looking forward to my my sunday which will consist of standing from 9am until 7:30 pm where they finally let us in.. with minimal food until after the ppv.. to then drive back
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Well that's a relief. With the roster as injury-stricken as it is, stuff like that tends to make you a little edgy.
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For folks having trouble with FPR, here are a couple of sketches for side tight designs written up by Shiriay Shokan on GameFAQs. -
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Fuee/Artz0rion/FPRDesigns1.jpg
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Fuee/Artz0rion/FPRDesigns2.jpg
Edit, here are the edits I did today -
Here's Tomko -
BFG '06 Sting -
Brother Ray -
Brother Devon -
HHH -
Monty Brown -
HBK -
The Rock -
Rhino -
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Fuee/Artz0rion/FPRDesigns1.jpg
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Fuee/Artz0rion/FPRDesigns2.jpg
Edit, here are the edits I did today -
Here's Tomko -
BFG '06 Sting -
Brother Ray -
Brother Devon -
HHH -
Monty Brown -
HBK -
The Rock -
Rhino -
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Great opening four way on the ROH "Man Up" PPV. Great stuff.
The Bryan Danielson promo was very heartfelt yet delievered a message to Morishima. Great stuff.
No Remorse Corpse vs Resistance right now.
Nigel winning makes me happy.
The Bryan Danielson promo was very heartfelt yet delievered a message to Morishima. Great stuff.
No Remorse Corpse vs Resistance right now.
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The Briscoes vs. Kevin Steen and El Generico Ladder War is 10X better than the Money in the Bank match at Wrestlemania! Seriously! You guys MUST see this match! Totally worth the $10-$15 price for the PPV!
Christ what a great show! I'm surprised someone didn't die. The Ladder War reeked of old school ECW mixed with high level Puro. Wow!
Christ what a great show! I'm surprised someone didn't die. The Ladder War reeked of old school ECW mixed with high level Puro. Wow!
To go back a bit in the conversation, I'd have to say the Sandman's original ECW entrance was just about as epic as they come if you ask me. Basically everyone in the building is completely marked out, including Tommy Dreamer apparently. Come to think of it, in every video I watched while looking for this one Dreamer was acting like the biggest Sandman mark ever.
[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=BL8RQAQdYuc[/MEDIA]
For some reason I had the hardest time figuring out how to get the Youtube thing to work...
[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=BL8RQAQdYuc[/MEDIA]
For some reason I had the hardest time figuring out how to get the Youtube thing to work...
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I'll agree xcoax, but the thing about Sandman is that he's nothing but the entrance. Outside of his stairway to hell match w/ Cactus Jack, all I can remember of his that was significant involves storylines (his feud with Raven, his feud with Rhino, etc.)
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]ROH DAYTON NOVEMBER 30th 2007
~~~~ RESULTS ~~~~
01 - Claudio Castagnoli defeated Seth Skyfire
02 - Delirious defeated Adam Pearce in a Falls Count Anywhere Match
03 - Chris Hero defeated Jigsaw
04 - The Briscoes defeated Davey Richards and Rocky Romero to retain the tag titles after Jay Briscoe pinned Richards with a Springboard Doomsday Device; said to be a "great match;" this match was taped for PPV
05 - Bryan Danielson defeated Necro Butcher by submission to the Cattle Mutilation in a Relaxed Rules match
~~ INTERMISSION ~~
06 - Nigel McGuinness defeated Sylas Young in a non-title match; post-match McGuinness cut a promo, but was interrupted and attacked by Chris Hero; Claudio Castagnoli ran out to save McGuinness; Hero will fight McGuinness at the next Dayton show
07 - Davey Richards was added to Erick Stevens Vs. Human Tornado, making it a threeway; Richards won the threeway pinning Human Tornado; in related news, sorry about your pick 'ems
08 - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Austin Aries vs. Roderick Strong 30 Minute Iron Man Match - Aries wins 4-3 via knockout. Knee to the head.[/FONT]
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09 - Tag Team Scramble: Jay & Mark Briscoe vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black vs. Jack Evans & Ruckus vs. Brent Albright & BJ Whitmer - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] Jack pinned Mark Brisco to win the scramble. Bobo said it was all out and really awesome.[/FONT]
~~~~ RESULTS ~~~~
01 - Claudio Castagnoli defeated Seth Skyfire
02 - Delirious defeated Adam Pearce in a Falls Count Anywhere Match
03 - Chris Hero defeated Jigsaw
04 - The Briscoes defeated Davey Richards and Rocky Romero to retain the tag titles after Jay Briscoe pinned Richards with a Springboard Doomsday Device; said to be a "great match;" this match was taped for PPV
05 - Bryan Danielson defeated Necro Butcher by submission to the Cattle Mutilation in a Relaxed Rules match
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06 - Nigel McGuinness defeated Sylas Young in a non-title match; post-match McGuinness cut a promo, but was interrupted and attacked by Chris Hero; Claudio Castagnoli ran out to save McGuinness; Hero will fight McGuinness at the next Dayton show
07 - Davey Richards was added to Erick Stevens Vs. Human Tornado, making it a threeway; Richards won the threeway pinning Human Tornado; in related news, sorry about your pick 'ems
08 - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Austin Aries vs. Roderick Strong 30 Minute Iron Man Match - Aries wins 4-3 via knockout. Knee to the head.[/FONT]
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09 - Tag Team Scramble: Jay & Mark Briscoe vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black vs. Jack Evans & Ruckus vs. Brent Albright & BJ Whitmer - [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] Jack pinned Mark Brisco to win the scramble. Bobo said it was all out and really awesome.[/FONT]
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[quote name='Zen Davis']The Briscoes vs. Kevin Steen and El Generico Ladder War is 10X better than the Money in the Bank match at Wrestlemania! Seriously! You guys MUST see this match! Totally worth the $10-$15 price for the PPV!
Christ what a great show! I'm surprised someone didn't die. The Ladder War reeked of old school ECW mixed with high level Puro. Wow!
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QFMFT x100! Amazing spots, great wrestling...... what more can one ask for?
Christ what a great show! I'm surprised someone didn't die. The Ladder War reeked of old school ECW mixed with high level Puro. Wow!
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QFMFT x100! Amazing spots, great wrestling...... what more can one ask for?
Zen Davis
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[quote name='Demolition Man']QFMFT x100! Amazing spots, great wrestling...... what more can one ask for?[/quote]
What was your favorite spot?
Everyone needs to check this show out!
What was your favorite spot?
I thought the Springboard Doomsday Device through the ladder was breathtakingly awesome since I never saw it coming!
Everyone needs to check this show out!
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That wasn't Sandman's original ECW entrance - his first gimmick there was as a surfer-type, and if memory serves, he came out to "Surfin' USA". Talk about a gimmick improvement... holy hell!
Demolition Man
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[quote name='Zen Davis']What was your favorite spot? [/QUOTE]
The first piledriver thru the ladder. I was both cringing and screaming all at the same time.
Demolition Man
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For those who ordered ROH Man Up here's what happened after the PPV ended.... NSFW.
http://revver.com/find/video/?query=roh+9%2F19%2F07&search_on=search
Zen Davis
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[quote name='Demolition Man']
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Sounds erotic.
Various other comments from other people regarding the show.
The first piledriver thru the ladder. I was both cringing and screaming all at the same time.
Sounds erotic.
Various other comments from other people regarding the show.
I'm a very bias WWE mark, Wrestlemania was my favorite ppv, of the year..Until now, I just witnessed 2 hours of pure perfection. I've been a huge ROH supporter for the last 2 years, but tonight was their defying moment, and they delivered big time. I was going to really say
I must admit...
I was GLUED to my screen the entire show. The final 2 matches were nothing short of classics.It was amazing. The entireThat Package Piledriver through the ladder was the sickest move I've seen in a ladder match.
My god, man.
I've seen pretty much every big-time ROH match. From the Unified match, Dragon/KENTA, Joe/Kobashi, everything. I saw Misawa live, for Christ's sake.
Blows them the
Zenithian Legend
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[quote name='Zen Davis']He just does a spectacular job of selling. I've also noticed that every single opponent of his looks like a million bucks against Punk. Noble also looks great.[/quote]
Every opponent? You lie with words! Remember, he has wrestled the Miz
Noble I've always seen as a good wrestler, he just doesn't have the right look for Vince.
Every opponent? You lie with words! Remember, he has wrestled the Miz
Noble I've always seen as a good wrestler, he just doesn't have the right look for Vince.
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I might check out Driven later this week when responsibilities quiet down a bit..
Anyway, Zen.. or whoever else is big into ROH. You have any idea when (if not already) the 11/2 show will be out on DVD? I noticed a few highlight clips on XWT but nothing full...
Anyway, Zen.. or whoever else is big into ROH. You have any idea when (if not already) the 11/2 show will be out on DVD? I noticed a few highlight clips on XWT but nothing full...
Zen Davis
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[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Every opponent? You lie with words! Remember, he has wrestled the Miz
Noble I've always seen as a good wrestler, he just doesn't have the right look for Vince.[/quote]
God knows he tried? To give Punk the benefit of a doubt though, I would have to say that I don't consider Miz to be a real wrestler.
[quote name='PhrostByte']I might check out Driven later this week when responsibilities quiet down a bit..
Anyway, Zen.. or whoever else is big into ROH. You have any idea when (if not already) the 11/2 show will be out on DVD? I noticed a few highlight clips on XWT but nothing full...[/quote] Probably sometime in January.
Noble I've always seen as a good wrestler, he just doesn't have the right look for Vince.[/quote]
God knows he tried? To give Punk the benefit of a doubt though, I would have to say that I don't consider Miz to be a real wrestler.
[quote name='PhrostByte']I might check out Driven later this week when responsibilities quiet down a bit..
Anyway, Zen.. or whoever else is big into ROH. You have any idea when (if not already) the 11/2 show will be out on DVD? I noticed a few highlight clips on XWT but nothing full...[/quote] Probably sometime in January.
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I'll get around to Driven. It's $15, so that's not so bad.
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Eh, whatever. The new one.
I hate PPV names anyway. About as cheesy and artificially macho as a band named "HELLYEAH."
I hate PPV names anyway. About as cheesy and artificially macho as a band named "HELLYEAH."
Zen Davis
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[quote name='mykevermin']Eh, whatever. The new one.
I hate PPV names anyway. About as cheesy and artificially macho as a band named "HELLYEAH."[/quote]
Lets just assign them numbers.
This is PPV#3.
Overall it's worth $15 in my opinion. The opening isn't as hot as PPV#2 but overall this has a better flow to it.
I hate PPV names anyway. About as cheesy and artificially macho as a band named "HELLYEAH."[/quote]
Lets just assign them numbers.
This is PPV#3.
Overall it's worth $15 in my opinion. The opening isn't as hot as PPV#2 but overall this has a better flow to it.
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[quote name='Zen Davis']You mean Man Up? I believe you already watched Driven with the Danielson/McGuiness main event?[/quote]
Oh ya man up... I actually haven't seen Driven yet. It's on the backlog. I have a lot of work to do so naturally I'm going to procrastinate for another day or so... When crunch time rolls around hopefully I'll be motivated enough... So yeah that makes two ROH PPV's I've been meaning to check out.
edit: oh that wasn't even directed towards me... heh anyway...
Oh ya man up... I actually haven't seen Driven yet. It's on the backlog. I have a lot of work to do so naturally I'm going to procrastinate for another day or so... When crunch time rolls around hopefully I'll be motivated enough... So yeah that makes two ROH PPV's I've been meaning to check out.
edit: oh that wasn't even directed towards me... heh anyway...
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[quote name='xcoax']To go back a bit in the conversation, I'd have to say the Sandman's original ECW entrance was just about as epic as they come if you ask me. Basically everyone in the building is completely marked out, including Tommy Dreamer apparently. Come to think of it, in every video I watched while looking for this one Dreamer was acting like the biggest Sandman mark ever.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BL8RQAQdYuc
For some reason I had the hardest time figuring out how to get the Youtube thing to work...[/quote]
There is a damn good reason why Enter Sandman is played at VA Tech home games. Because it gets you hype like no other song really can.
[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5h1EW5z1wdc[/media]
Hell, I want to start beating someones ass whenever I hear it. :lol:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BL8RQAQdYuc
For some reason I had the hardest time figuring out how to get the Youtube thing to work...[/quote]
There is a damn good reason why Enter Sandman is played at VA Tech home games. Because it gets you hype like no other song really can.
[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5h1EW5z1wdc[/media]
Hell, I want to start beating someones ass whenever I hear it. :lol:
PhrostByte
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It's pretty much true that giving someone a beer, cigarette, and having them make an entrance to "Enter Sandman" pretty much makes anyone seem like a total badass, I'd say Sandman was slightly more than a one trick pony. He might not have been "technically sound", but he was always willing to take a beating.. and dish one out. Those videos make me miss ECW. :\
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[quote name='PhrostByte'] He might not have been "technically sound", but he was always willing to take a beating.. and dish one out.[/quote]
Hey, you just described Mick Foley!
Hey, you just described Mick Foley!
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[quote name='GuilewasNK']Hey, you just described Mick Foley![/quote]
..and about 80% of ECW's roster.
Hey page 50.. cool..
..and about 80% of ECW's roster.
Hey page 50.. cool..[quote name='GuilewasNK']There is a damn good reason why Enter Sandman is played at VA Tech home games. Because it gets you hype like no other song really can.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5h1EW5z1wdc
Hell, I want to start beating someones ass whenever I hear it. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Haha, you have a point. I think we should experiment with this and let someone like hornswoggle or big dick johnson come out to Enter the Sandman and see what happens.
And yeah, those Tech fans look like an unruly soccer mob.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5h1EW5z1wdc
Hell, I want to start beating someones ass whenever I hear it. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Haha, you have a point. I think we should experiment with this and let someone like hornswoggle or big dick johnson come out to Enter the Sandman and see what happens.
And yeah, those Tech fans look like an unruly soccer mob.
Zenithian Legend
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[quote name='Zen Davis']God knows he tried? To give Punk the benefit of a doubt though, I would have to say that I don't consider Miz to be a real wrestler.[/quote]
:lol: Good point. As much as the Miz loses credibility for being on MTV, he does seem to have some good heel mannerisms. Plus he seems to know when to keep his mouth shut backstage, unlike other wrestlers on the ECW roster.
I'm just hoping with the ECW/SD talent sharing policy, that we get to see a Mysterio/Punk match before Rey's seemingly inevitable next injury.
k Punk vs Rey for the ECW title at WM24, I kind of like the sound of that.
:lol: Good point. As much as the Miz loses credibility for being on MTV, he does seem to have some good heel mannerisms. Plus he seems to know when to keep his mouth shut backstage, unlike other wrestlers on the ECW roster.
I'm just hoping with the ECW/SD talent sharing policy, that we get to see a Mysterio/Punk match before Rey's seemingly inevitable next injury.
k Punk vs Rey for the ECW title at WM24, I kind of like the sound of that.
Zen Davis
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[quote name='Zenithian Legend']:lol: Good point. As much as the Miz loses credibility for being on MTV, he does seem to have some good heel mannerisms. Plus he seems to know when to keep his mouth shut backstage, unlike other wrestlers on the ECW roster.
I'm just hoping with the ECW/SD talent sharing policy, that we get to see a Mysterio/Punk match before Rey's seemingly inevitable next injury.
k Punk vs Rey for the ECW title at WM24, I kind of like the sound of that.[/quote]
You're on to something there.
[quote name='Sporadic']I ordered Man Up and will be watching it tonight at 6.
Hopefully it will be better than Driven and actually has a main event title match that isn't a squash.[/quote]
I can actually see where you're coming from when you say you thought the main event was a squash. RoH is trying to push Bryan Daneilson as their main guy and they're working the story that whenever Nigel goes against Dragon, he always ends up coming short. The story between them plays out well over the course of this PPV and the next PPV. I'm wondering how it'll turn out at the 5th PPV.
I couldn't honestly call the Man Up main event a squash though. Both sides definitely had their moments. Hope you enjoy the show.
I'm just hoping with the ECW/SD talent sharing policy, that we get to see a Mysterio/Punk match before Rey's seemingly inevitable next injury.
k Punk vs Rey for the ECW title at WM24, I kind of like the sound of that.[/quote] You're on to something there.
[quote name='Sporadic']I ordered Man Up and will be watching it tonight at 6.
Hopefully it will be better than Driven and actually has a main event title match that isn't a squash.[/quote]
I can actually see where you're coming from when you say you thought the main event was a squash. RoH is trying to push Bryan Daneilson as their main guy and they're working the story that whenever Nigel goes against Dragon, he always ends up coming short. The story between them plays out well over the course of this PPV and the next PPV. I'm wondering how it'll turn out at the 5th PPV.
I couldn't honestly call the Man Up main event a squash though. Both sides definitely had their moments. Hope you enjoy the show.
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[quote name='xcoax']Haha, you have a point. I think we should experiment with this and let someone like hornswoggle or big dick johnson come out to Enter the Sandman and see what happens.
And yeah, those Tech fans look like an unruly soccer mob.[/quote]
Heh. It isn't as unruly as it seems. I've been to about 4 home games. It's wild, but its a controlled chaos.
And yeah, those Tech fans look like an unruly soccer mob.[/quote]
Heh. It isn't as unruly as it seems. I've been to about 4 home games. It's wild, but its a controlled chaos.
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So what did everyone think of TNA this week? Besides Jay's weekly recap of the stupid gimmick matches and storyline inconsistencies, I thought it was pretty good. :lol:
The Dutt/Lethal vs. Team 3D match had some pretty impressive spots that I felt actually were capitalized on.. despite perhaps underwhelming commentary. I thought the main event was pretty good too. That pelle kick to Christian came out of nowhere and topped off a decent main event..
I also realized something about Tomko. I never understood what his gimmick was until now. He seems to be a guy who is constantly fed up with TNA's other.. dumber gimmicks. Pretty funny now that I think about it.
All in all, decent show. 8/10?
The Dutt/Lethal vs. Team 3D match had some pretty impressive spots that I felt actually were capitalized on.. despite perhaps underwhelming commentary. I thought the main event was pretty good too. That pelle kick to Christian came out of nowhere and topped off a decent main event..
I also realized something about Tomko. I never understood what his gimmick was until now. He seems to be a guy who is constantly fed up with TNA's other.. dumber gimmicks. Pretty funny now that I think about it.
All in all, decent show. 8/10?
Zen Davis
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ROH Man Up Review Podcast -
http://www.411mania.com/itunes/rohppvpc.mp3
Review:
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Ring of Honor's "Man Up" is as close as you can get to a perfect Pay Per View.
That is not a lie, or an exaggeration from a so called "ROHbot" fan. That is the unmitigated truth. The two hours of wrestling flew by like it was nothing and it was filled with near non-stop action. This show had matches that started out very good and only became better as the matches went on. There were very few if any valleys and almost a constant run of peaks. Not many PPVs have such a ferocious pace as this one, but this was also ROH's best PPV in terms of production, video and audio quality. The show actually looks solid and consistent and you hear everything the wrestlers and the commentators have to say. So this show is worth the money in every sense of the word.
The third PPV for ROH was a show that also was a climax of what had been set up on the first two shows. [/FONT]
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Let's look back at some of the matches and highlights from this show:
I really liked the Prazak and Leonard open—it looked and sounded totally professional, if a bit busy with all the wrestlers filing in and also the masked man run in. Nigel and Claudio's promos were solid and effective at getting over their goals in the match. Nigel wanted the title shot ("my dream is not dead"-wow, nice phrase!) and Claudio wanted to take out Hero. Larry Sweeney also did one of his classic promos on the run, including a huge belly laugh which is quickly becoming his calling card as much as "12 large, brother!" In about 30 seconds he got over that he helped take Matt Sydal over to "Vince" (WWE) and that Chris Hero was next to benefit from his services. He also had on a Bluetooth wireless headset, which is a stroke of genius. It's the little pieces that add onto the establishment of the characters of these wrestlers.
1. Four Corner Survival: Nigel McGuinness vs. Chris Hero vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Naomichi Marufuji: I loved this match so much, from the beginning to the end. I don't know if it's the mark in me speaking, but I was marking out for just about everything these four did in the ring. The action was constantly going and everything worked from one segment to the next. Marufuji's superkicks remain some of the best in the biz right now. The close saves at the end were on point as wrestlers pushed each other out of the pin, not just stomped them one time. I thought this was just as great an opener as the Driven six man, maybe more so. I had a smile from ear to ear watching this one. ****1/4
Danielson cut a promo about his eye injury, and they showed clips of the first match from Manhattan Mayhem II—YES! ROH is now not just using the current shows on sale to push the storylines on PPV, but actually showing clips of matches and moments from them to impress upon fans at home what has been going on in between PPVs. Danielson came of age with his promos by mid 2006, but it needs t be repeated here—he can talk very well and while he may not be the dramatic monologue king like Jimmy Jacobs, he can tell an effective story with his words that makes you feel for him. Danielson talked about what his mom and dad each thought of his brutal eye injury. His mom "never saw that part of wrestling" and was fearful for his well being. Danielson considered hanging it up but then he talked to his dad, who told him "this is the life you always wanted." Danielson said to Morishima that "you're not going to take it away from me. Tonight is NOT your night!" Excellent key phrases that helped sell the idea that this was not just a title match, but that this was also personal.
I thought the new entrance video insets, with the wrestler's logo and their "Goal" was a huge step up from the horrific color clash intro videos they were using on the first two PPVs. Hey, its a show that actually helps fans figure out who is who, what they are fighting for and why. Who would have thought that would work?
2. The Resilience vs. No Remorse Corps Series: Matt Cross vs. Rocky Romero: Prazak and Leonard quickly remind everyone about the NRC vs. Resilience issue and the importance of Aries returning to ROH at the last PPV, even showing a brief clip from his return. Amazingly The Resilience received a ton and I mean a TON of streamers, which made them come across as hugely over and bad ass. Aries and Strong conducted pep talks with their teams as they decided the "batting order" of the series. Aries talked about strategy and what to look for in the ring to Cross, while Stevens pumped Cross up by being all macho. WOW, THIS type of storyline development is what Faction Warfare should have been about all along. If you look at this series as a microcosm of the whole storyline, you'd come away thinking this was one of the hottest stable wars in the history of wrestling. In reality, this has been one of the more underwhelming and disappointing feuds in ROH this year and it pains me to say that, but it's the truth.
Regardless, this was an incredibly spirited contest. It was short but fast paced, featuring some terrific hard strikes from Romero and Cross's trademark athleticism and acrobatics. This match showed in just a few minutes that this issue was indeed a "war" between two sides. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]It was also fun to see the return of the "John Woo" flip out (CM Punk used it a ton) as I mark out for that move. ***
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3. The Resilience vs. No Remorse Corps Series: Austin Aries vs. Davey Richards: A longer match that had Richards go toe to toe with Aries and actually had him in danger for quite a bit. The match began as more technical, but quickly turned into another fierce back and forth struggle of strikes and impact moves. Richards has also become a good heel, as he declined to hit a flashy flying move in favor of a simple double sledge to the outside. The mark of a good heel is not to give the fans fancy moves so as to keep the good guys shining, and Richards did that but also looked very good in the ring. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Plus Aries didn't use the stroke, so that's another huge plus in my book. Aries picks up the win and the series is tied at one. ***3/4
4. The Resilience vs. No Remorse Corps Series: Erick Stevens vs. Roderick Strong: The match was more methodical and slower paced than any of the other matches previous to it, but that is almost a good thing because the show needed a slower paced match to break things up. This was a story of the veteran heel leader vs. the somewhat naïve and inexperienced but powerful babyface. Strong and Stevens have done a ton of good stuff down in FIP, so I was expecting at least a solid encounter, and by the end of the match we got much more than that. The chop and forearm battles in the beginning of the match were just brutal. Stevens demonstrated his power by using a great looking Oklahoma Stampede. It was also about this time we heard the line of the night from an ROH fan who shouted out "You're going bald Roderick!" Wow, way to hit a man when he's down dude. Another great production detail: there was a ton of close ups on this PPV, including here where we saw Stevens and Strong grimacing severely after each blow.
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The Four Corner Survival from Caged Rage showed PPV buyers the formation of The Hangm3n Three. This was fine, although I was a bit disturbed to hear Pearce say the phrases "doing me the favor" and "BJ" almost right in a row.
5. ROH World Title: Takeshi Morishima (c) vs. Bryan Danielson: Some people were making the wisecrack that Danielson looked like a pirate with his eye patch on, and I guess he was out to get the trea-surrrre—the booty that was the ROH World title. I've come to the conclusion that these two should just fight on every ROH show from now until the end of time. They had quickly brought out the best in each other. Morishima looks really inspired in his matches against Danielson, maybe thanks to the very clear big man vs. little man delineation. These bouts may be the modern equivalent of Vader vs. Sting. Danielson's technical strategies in this match were to execute MMA style submissions, but continually being bullied out the ring or brought down before he could finish the job. In particular there were several submission spots, like the triangle choke and the sleeper that were quite effective. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] It's unfortunate that Danielson had to seriously and legitimately hurt his eye, but boy did that add to drama of the whole situation. ****
6. ROH World Tag Team Titles: Ladder War: The Briscoes (c) vs. Kevin Steen & El Generico: [/FONT]
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So yeah, this match was SICK. You'll hear many different adjectives similar to that one, but simply put, it's the one that best fits. You had chairs flying all around, Generico kicking everything that moved and then bouncing around like a superball when he wasn't, blood, ladders being thrown, people falling through ladders, sandwich through ladders, flying off ladders. For the first ever ladder rules style match in ROH, they did a tremendous job paying homage to past ladder / TLC matches of the past and then adding their own twists and turns to the style.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] Someone could have died or been cut open incredibly badly right then and there. Fortunately they weren't, and fortunately these four men weren't all that injured with the exception of Generico who was out for only a few weeks after this match due to I believe a thigh injury. This was a risk-reward match—The Briscoes, Steen and Generico took high risks, and it paid off with high rewards.
I can't do justice to the play by play, so check out Larry Csonka's report if you want to the scoop on all the big moves.****3/4
When it comes down to it, this PPV was about having the ability to "Man Up!" enough—and I mean that in every aspect. From the effort of the wrestlers individually to the matches themselves to the bettered production values, ROH has indeed Manned up here on their third PPV. I give this, like all ROH PPVs, my highest recommendation. Man Up gets a 10 out of 10, no question. [/FONT]
http://www.411mania.com/itunes/rohppvpc.mp3
Review:
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Ring of Honor's "Man Up" is as close as you can get to a perfect Pay Per View.
That is not a lie, or an exaggeration from a so called "ROHbot" fan. That is the unmitigated truth. The two hours of wrestling flew by like it was nothing and it was filled with near non-stop action. This show had matches that started out very good and only became better as the matches went on. There were very few if any valleys and almost a constant run of peaks. Not many PPVs have such a ferocious pace as this one, but this was also ROH's best PPV in terms of production, video and audio quality. The show actually looks solid and consistent and you hear everything the wrestlers and the commentators have to say. So this show is worth the money in every sense of the word.
The third PPV for ROH was a show that also was a climax of what had been set up on the first two shows. [/FONT]
The Briscoes finished up their feud against Kevin Steen and El Generico, which had been established at "Respect Is Earned" and elaborated upon in a hectic match at "Driven." [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Bryan Danielson and Takeshi Morishima finally tied it up in a match on PPV, as set up by Danielson being laid out by the champion at the first PPV and then winning the number one contender ship at the second. The No Remorse Corps had it out with The Resilience. Clips of Adam Pearce establishing The Hangmen 3 and attacking Delirious were shown. BJ Whitmer turned heel out of frustrations from losing on the last two PPVs. And Sweet & Sour continued to irritate, to annoy, and yes, to entertain the audience with their antics.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]
It was fitting then that after The Briscoes had successfully gone done and "Manned Up" and defeated Steen and Generico is a crazy, sick, let me repeat, SICK, ladder war, a new storyline began that gave viewers a reason to tune in next time. Gabe Sapolsky has learned well from the feet of the master—Paul Heyman. Back in ECW, Heyman was incredibly effective in bringing long standing feuds to a terrific final climax, but then as soon as right after the final bell had sounded going right into the next issue. He most notably did this with the Tommy Dreamer-Raven feud, where after three long and hard fought years Tommy Dreamer finally, finally FINALLY had defeated his arch nemesis. Yet Dreamer's triumph in victory was short lived as the lights went out…and when they went back on Jerry "The King" Lawler was in the ring laying him out! It was a shocking debut that you wouldn't suspect would have occurred, but it led right into Dreamer's next feud. So it was here with the debut of The Age of the Fall.[/FONT]
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The Age of the Fall formation was in fact shown on PPV. Gabe can be quite sneaky—in a previous newswire he stated that he would not show a bloody and beaten Jay Briscoe being pulled up to the top of the building nor the bloody promo conducted by Jimmy Jacobs due to its content not being an exemplification of what ROH represented with its product. However, he never said anything about not showing the formation of the group in and of itself. So when we still had shots of the Age of the Fall masked thug interrupting the opening proceedings, I admit to feeling a bit confused. Were they foreshadowing their debut on the next show? I wasn't sure what was going on. Later on during the Ladder War, ROH put on screen the image of two masked thugs in the crowd standing over a fallen and prone Briscoe brother, watching and waiting.[/FONT]
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Then after the ladder match had concluded and the PPV seemed destined to go off the air, here came the screeching sounds of Lacey's voice over the PA. In came Jimmy Jacobs, Tyler Black and Necro Butcher to confront Jay and Mark Briscoe. We were show Necro's neo-classic line "I told you that if you let me out of this cage I was going to pile the bodies to the sky." AotF attacked The Briscoes and the show went off the air as Jay was hog tied and about to be pulled upwards to the ceiling, or maybe to the very sky that Butcher had mentioned. It was a fitting cliffhanger, but also a smart one. Fans will have to buy the DVD to see the complete segment and Jacobs' promo and casual ROH PPV buyers will have to wait until January 2007 for the next show to find out what happens next.[/FONT]
It was fitting then that after The Briscoes had successfully gone done and "Manned Up" and defeated Steen and Generico is a crazy, sick, let me repeat, SICK, ladder war, a new storyline began that gave viewers a reason to tune in next time. Gabe Sapolsky has learned well from the feet of the master—Paul Heyman. Back in ECW, Heyman was incredibly effective in bringing long standing feuds to a terrific final climax, but then as soon as right after the final bell had sounded going right into the next issue. He most notably did this with the Tommy Dreamer-Raven feud, where after three long and hard fought years Tommy Dreamer finally, finally FINALLY had defeated his arch nemesis. Yet Dreamer's triumph in victory was short lived as the lights went out…and when they went back on Jerry "The King" Lawler was in the ring laying him out! It was a shocking debut that you wouldn't suspect would have occurred, but it led right into Dreamer's next feud. So it was here with the debut of The Age of the Fall.[/FONT]
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The Age of the Fall formation was in fact shown on PPV. Gabe can be quite sneaky—in a previous newswire he stated that he would not show a bloody and beaten Jay Briscoe being pulled up to the top of the building nor the bloody promo conducted by Jimmy Jacobs due to its content not being an exemplification of what ROH represented with its product. However, he never said anything about not showing the formation of the group in and of itself. So when we still had shots of the Age of the Fall masked thug interrupting the opening proceedings, I admit to feeling a bit confused. Were they foreshadowing their debut on the next show? I wasn't sure what was going on. Later on during the Ladder War, ROH put on screen the image of two masked thugs in the crowd standing over a fallen and prone Briscoe brother, watching and waiting.[/FONT]
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Then after the ladder match had concluded and the PPV seemed destined to go off the air, here came the screeching sounds of Lacey's voice over the PA. In came Jimmy Jacobs, Tyler Black and Necro Butcher to confront Jay and Mark Briscoe. We were show Necro's neo-classic line "I told you that if you let me out of this cage I was going to pile the bodies to the sky." AotF attacked The Briscoes and the show went off the air as Jay was hog tied and about to be pulled upwards to the ceiling, or maybe to the very sky that Butcher had mentioned. It was a fitting cliffhanger, but also a smart one. Fans will have to buy the DVD to see the complete segment and Jacobs' promo and casual ROH PPV buyers will have to wait until January 2007 for the next show to find out what happens next.[/FONT]
Let's look back at some of the matches and highlights from this show:
I really liked the Prazak and Leonard open—it looked and sounded totally professional, if a bit busy with all the wrestlers filing in and also the masked man run in. Nigel and Claudio's promos were solid and effective at getting over their goals in the match. Nigel wanted the title shot ("my dream is not dead"-wow, nice phrase!) and Claudio wanted to take out Hero. Larry Sweeney also did one of his classic promos on the run, including a huge belly laugh which is quickly becoming his calling card as much as "12 large, brother!" In about 30 seconds he got over that he helped take Matt Sydal over to "Vince" (WWE) and that Chris Hero was next to benefit from his services. He also had on a Bluetooth wireless headset, which is a stroke of genius. It's the little pieces that add onto the establishment of the characters of these wrestlers.
1. Four Corner Survival: Nigel McGuinness vs. Chris Hero vs. Claudio Castagnoli vs. Naomichi Marufuji: I loved this match so much, from the beginning to the end. I don't know if it's the mark in me speaking, but I was marking out for just about everything these four did in the ring. The action was constantly going and everything worked from one segment to the next. Marufuji's superkicks remain some of the best in the biz right now. The close saves at the end were on point as wrestlers pushed each other out of the pin, not just stomped them one time. I thought this was just as great an opener as the Driven six man, maybe more so. I had a smile from ear to ear watching this one. ****1/4
Danielson cut a promo about his eye injury, and they showed clips of the first match from Manhattan Mayhem II—YES! ROH is now not just using the current shows on sale to push the storylines on PPV, but actually showing clips of matches and moments from them to impress upon fans at home what has been going on in between PPVs. Danielson came of age with his promos by mid 2006, but it needs t be repeated here—he can talk very well and while he may not be the dramatic monologue king like Jimmy Jacobs, he can tell an effective story with his words that makes you feel for him. Danielson talked about what his mom and dad each thought of his brutal eye injury. His mom "never saw that part of wrestling" and was fearful for his well being. Danielson considered hanging it up but then he talked to his dad, who told him "this is the life you always wanted." Danielson said to Morishima that "you're not going to take it away from me. Tonight is NOT your night!" Excellent key phrases that helped sell the idea that this was not just a title match, but that this was also personal.
I thought the new entrance video insets, with the wrestler's logo and their "Goal" was a huge step up from the horrific color clash intro videos they were using on the first two PPVs. Hey, its a show that actually helps fans figure out who is who, what they are fighting for and why. Who would have thought that would work?
2. The Resilience vs. No Remorse Corps Series: Matt Cross vs. Rocky Romero: Prazak and Leonard quickly remind everyone about the NRC vs. Resilience issue and the importance of Aries returning to ROH at the last PPV, even showing a brief clip from his return. Amazingly The Resilience received a ton and I mean a TON of streamers, which made them come across as hugely over and bad ass. Aries and Strong conducted pep talks with their teams as they decided the "batting order" of the series. Aries talked about strategy and what to look for in the ring to Cross, while Stevens pumped Cross up by being all macho. WOW, THIS type of storyline development is what Faction Warfare should have been about all along. If you look at this series as a microcosm of the whole storyline, you'd come away thinking this was one of the hottest stable wars in the history of wrestling. In reality, this has been one of the more underwhelming and disappointing feuds in ROH this year and it pains me to say that, but it's the truth.
Regardless, this was an incredibly spirited contest. It was short but fast paced, featuring some terrific hard strikes from Romero and Cross's trademark athleticism and acrobatics. This match showed in just a few minutes that this issue was indeed a "war" between two sides. [/FONT]
They went non stop, with Romero setting up the match ending KO by staggering Cross with two different running knee strikes to the jaw.
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It was a good heel move by Strong to wait for Aries to announce himself as the second participant in the series…and then ducking out to avoid fighting his rival and former partner.
3. The Resilience vs. No Remorse Corps Series: Austin Aries vs. Davey Richards: A longer match that had Richards go toe to toe with Aries and actually had him in danger for quite a bit. The match began as more technical, but quickly turned into another fierce back and forth struggle of strikes and impact moves. Richards has also become a good heel, as he declined to hit a flashy flying move in favor of a simple double sledge to the outside. The mark of a good heel is not to give the fans fancy moves so as to keep the good guys shining, and Richards did that but also looked very good in the ring. [/FONT]
He nailed a brutal looking wristlock northern lights suplex into a brainbuster variation. Another terrific small touch was that Aries did his flying moves from the babyface corner, where Erick Stevens would back him up and he didn't have to worry about any NRC members blindsiding him.
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I also liked that the initial sick kick that sets up the brainbuster / 450 combo was teased and set up differently than expected. It's good to have some variation in the execution of the move.[/FONT]
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I also liked that the initial sick kick that sets up the brainbuster / 450 combo was teased and set up differently than expected. It's good to have some variation in the execution of the move.[/FONT]
4. The Resilience vs. No Remorse Corps Series: Erick Stevens vs. Roderick Strong: The match was more methodical and slower paced than any of the other matches previous to it, but that is almost a good thing because the show needed a slower paced match to break things up. This was a story of the veteran heel leader vs. the somewhat naïve and inexperienced but powerful babyface. Strong and Stevens have done a ton of good stuff down in FIP, so I was expecting at least a solid encounter, and by the end of the match we got much more than that. The chop and forearm battles in the beginning of the match were just brutal. Stevens demonstrated his power by using a great looking Oklahoma Stampede. It was also about this time we heard the line of the night from an ROH fan who shouted out "You're going bald Roderick!" Wow, way to hit a man when he's down dude. Another great production detail: there was a ton of close ups on this PPV, including here where we saw Stevens and Strong grimacing severely after each blow.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] I was a bit upset about the superplex no sell by Erick Stevens, but then it led into an insanely sick flying kick from Roderick Strong that was as perfectly timed as you can get. You saw Steve's knee buckling (and the commentators pointed it out) and you could see it as a clear turning point in the match. The finish saw both men fighting it out for positioning and the advantage on the top rope. I had flashbacks to the tremendous two out of three falls series between Paul London and Bryan Danielson at The Epic Encounter, where both men fought frantically for several minutes on the top rope in order to ensure that the other wrestler could not execute their top rope move. Strong and Stevens did so here, and Strong won out by hitting a very impressive splash mountain, followed up by a short and tight Gibson Driver for the pin and the win in the series. [/FONT]
The Four Corner Survival from Caged Rage showed PPV buyers the formation of The Hangm3n Three. This was fine, although I was a bit disturbed to hear Pearce say the phrases "doing me the favor" and "BJ" almost right in a row.
5. ROH World Title: Takeshi Morishima (c) vs. Bryan Danielson: Some people were making the wisecrack that Danielson looked like a pirate with his eye patch on, and I guess he was out to get the trea-surrrre—the booty that was the ROH World title. I've come to the conclusion that these two should just fight on every ROH show from now until the end of time. They had quickly brought out the best in each other. Morishima looks really inspired in his matches against Danielson, maybe thanks to the very clear big man vs. little man delineation. These bouts may be the modern equivalent of Vader vs. Sting. Danielson's technical strategies in this match were to execute MMA style submissions, but continually being bullied out the ring or brought down before he could finish the job. In particular there were several submission spots, like the triangle choke and the sleeper that were quite effective. [/FONT]
Danielson's spectacular ability to transition into viable finishing moves at the end of matches was put on display here, as the Tiger Suplex into Cattle Mutilation into the upright stomps into the triangle choke plus ILLEGAL (in UFC anyway) downward strike elbows left me breathless. I was convinced the match was going to end right there—and I had read the spoilers! Morishima didn't hulk out of a top rope move, so that also made me very pleased. Tremendous wrestling storyline, tremendous wrestling and the finish went back to the eye injury. The commentators smartly pointed out that the patch had come lose early on in the match, although the gauze underneath was still intact. Then when Morishima pulled off the gauze, the crowd heat was right there.
6. ROH World Tag Team Titles: Ladder War: The Briscoes (c) vs. Kevin Steen & El Generico: [/FONT]
First the bad news: its wasn't perfect. I can't give it the full five stars, because there were very clearly some edits made in the match and obvious ones at that. It minimizes the flaws we see on screen but it also shows that there was something awkward that needed to be excised. The finish to the match was also clearly botched, and I can't ignore that in favor of universal praise. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Steen did a MAN UP job of covering up for Jay not being able to unlatch the belts. He realized what was happening fairly quickly and got back up to the ladder, sold his injuries but still trying to get back up top. "This match is NOT over yet!" Prazak shouted, which was also an incredibly smart move to cover for the botch and add drama. The match was over…wasn't it?[/FONT]
So yeah, this match was SICK. You'll hear many different adjectives similar to that one, but simply put, it's the one that best fits. You had chairs flying all around, Generico kicking everything that moved and then bouncing around like a superball when he wasn't, blood, ladders being thrown, people falling through ladders, sandwich through ladders, flying off ladders. For the first ever ladder rules style match in ROH, they did a tremendous job paying homage to past ladder / TLC matches of the past and then adding their own twists and turns to the style.
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The match was structured to subtly up the risk factor of the ladders by adding more and slightly larger ladders —well until we got the honking freaking huge super ladder. "That's a maintenance ladder! That's not supposed to be used in this match!" shouted Dave Prazak (spellchecked word: Prozac) in abject horror. Yeah, surrrrrre, Dave, because there just happens to be a giant maintenance ladder around inside EVERY venue ROH runs during EVERY show. The ladder has been there every show since the beginning, fully set up and to the side. Come on bro, that line was just ludicrous. If you believe that maybe you need to invest in swampland down in Florida.
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If there is one spot that needs to be shown over and over and over again, it's the Springboard Doomsday Device by The Briscoes THROUGH the opened super ladder. Wait, let's back up the truck, let me repeat that. Not over the ladder, not under the ladder, not to the side of the ladder. THROUGH the ladder. That took an untold amount of balls and guts from all four men involved.
I can't do justice to the play by play, so check out Larry Csonka's report if you want to the scoop on all the big moves.****3/4
When it comes down to it, this PPV was about having the ability to "Man Up!" enough—and I mean that in every aspect. From the effort of the wrestlers individually to the matches themselves to the bettered production values, ROH has indeed Manned up here on their third PPV. I give this, like all ROH PPVs, my highest recommendation. Man Up gets a 10 out of 10, no question. [/FONT]
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Blackout
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So is there going to be a Edge/Batista/Taker triangle up until Mania?
Zen Davis
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[quote name='Sporadic']The weird thing is that I felt Ladder War was completely overrated while Morishima/Danielson was the best match I have seen all year.[/quote]
There are quite a few that I agree with you.
I have seen both Morishima/Dragon and Morishima/Dragon III live so I wasn't as enthralled by Morishima/Dragon II as I was by the Ladder War since II is the weakest of their collisions thus far.
Great story nevertheless!
Was it worth your $10/$15?
There are quite a few that I agree with you.
I have seen both Morishima/Dragon and Morishima/Dragon III live so I wasn't as enthralled by Morishima/Dragon II as I was by the Ladder War since II is the weakest of their collisions thus far.
Great story nevertheless!
Was it worth your $10/$15?
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