The Falcons Are In The Wild - But Rarer Than A Mewtwo! Gotta' Catch Them All!

[quote name='Punk_Raven']Tenzor: this is madness


I really is. I think we need resident vagina clown/ PR mouth piece Major Nelson to clear some things up.[/QUOTE]



I'll fill that role!


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I think i'll wait until early next year, let all the christmas buyers clear out most of the old non-heatsink hardware from retail, then get one with cheaper christmas release mess titles.
 
Think this is notable to say in here. I just read somewhere that all falcons will have HDMI. I have no idea if this is true or not.

Why the HELL would Microsoft manufacture some new consoles with it and some new consoles with out it? Both manufactured in the same month and both premium.

Oh, and the boxes will have the HDMI logo on them.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Think this is notable to say in here. I just read somewhere that all falcons will have HDMI. I have no idea if this is true or not.

Why the HELL would Microsoft manufacture some new consoles with it and some new consoles with out it? Both manufactured in the same month and both premium.[/QUOTE]


They might have a surplus of the old parts left over and accounted for them when they extended the 3 year warranty for all systems.

I just hope this clears up soon, and that the new systems are indeed falcons with new heatsinks and 65nm chips.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Think this is notable to say in here. I just read somewhere that all falcons will have HDMI. I have no idea if this is true or not.

Why the HELL would Microsoft manufacture some new consoles with it and some new consoles with out it? Both manufactured in the same month and both premium.[/QUOTE]


Multiple plants, most likely.

The question is if it's 1.2 or 1.3... anyone know?
 
[quote name='Scrubsy']So it would be safe to assume that if you did have to send yours in for repair you would get the new chip?[/QUOTE]
No. Not at all.
 
No. We can be sure that all 360s that are being sent back to you have the heatsink. 65mn chips have not been confirmed in refurbs anywhere. People ( like me ) were getting the idea that all July made consoles have the falcon chips in them, but there's a HUGE possiblity that we're wrong. MS could be throwing us a huge curve ball becuase they could be putting new serial numbers and manufacture dates on the 360. That'd be dirty. I'm *hoping * that we can get confirmation that the Falcon chips are in them, but I'm guessing that we *won't*.
 
Well my coffin is on the way. If they ship me back a refurb with HDMI it will be worth the hassle. If they have confirmed HDMI, quieter drive, and 65 nm chips I may just buy a new system in the future. I really think MS could boost some sales among the hardcore if they just spilled the beans. Personally, these "minor tweaks" to the current model systems is bigger news than the Elite ever was.
 
According to the GameSpot article:

As for whether or not the new HDMI-equipped Xbox 360 systems include the anticipated 65nm chips, the representative wouldn't say.


"We are constantly updating the console's more than 1,700 internal components and therefore will not comment on details of specific components or manufacturing processes," he said.
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Don't hold your breath waiting on a refurb unit with a HDMI port. They are refurbing units that were sent in defective and I'm sure they have more than enough premium non HDMI units to last them a long time based on the failure rate.

I just received my replacement 360 unit back and it did have the new heatsink put in it - which I think is about as good as you can hope to get on a refurb replacements for your RROD unit.
 
[quote name='mick16']Don't hold your breath waiting on a refurb unit with a HDMI port. They are refurbing units that were sent in defective and I'm sure they have more than enough premium non HDMI units to last them a long time based on the failure rate.

I just received my replacement 360 unit back and it did have the new heatsink put in it - which I think is about as good as you can hope to get on a refurb replacements for your RROD unit.[/quote]So people who send in their falcons are getting back old ones by your logic? I'm thinking that they are going to start a program to turn defective 360s sent in into refurb falcons.
 
[quote name='help1']So people who send in their falcons are getting back old ones by your logic? I'm thinking that they are going to start a program to turn defective 360s sent in into refurb falcons.[/QUOTE]
Doubtful, we've already went through this earlier in the thread.

90nm isn't a problem, so why would they take the time and money to replace it with a 65nm? Or, maybe the 65nm isn't even compatible with the current motherboard.

To add HDMI, you would need the new motherboard, in which case you would need a new case, pretty much a new 360.

Refurbs are getting the new heatsink which seems to be the solution to the three red rings.

As for what they plan on replacing "Falcons" with through the refurb program, no one knows since no Falcons have been sent through the process. I know they made the claim of wanting to return everyone's original console, so that could be the case.
 
Why would they send you back a brand new HDMI enabled 360 when they have tons of broken old versions? Does this make any sense to anyone here?
 
Could someone explain how it works with a return to Best Buy under a 2 year warranty?

If I were so inclined to "swap" my existing 360 for an ideally more reliable newer 360, how would I go about it? I want to keep my existing hard drive.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Why would they send you back a brand new HDMI enabled 360 when they have tons of broken old versions? Does this make any sense to anyone here?[/quote]

Gizmo is right it doesn't make sense for Microsoft to send you a better system. Its not how these companies work, they would just give you a older one. They might include the new heatsink to avoid it breaking down more because I am sure they don't want you to constantly have to send yours in because it keeps breaking down it just gives them more of a hassle of having to process and fix yours. The HDMI port has nothing to do with it breaking down, and I don't see why Microsoft would give you a newer 360 with a HDMI port. They would rather you go out and rebuy the system and spend another $349.99 or so to get the new features so they can make more money.

Its a shame Microsoft didn't just include HDMI when the system was made they had all the right ideas by giving consumers the choice with HD component cables or standard cables included with their systems while Sony had all the right ideas of including the HDMI port but no HDMI cable let alone even a component cable. Just makes it more of a hassle for consumers mainly early adopters trying to get the perfect system. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if a year or two from now we see a redesign 360 thats slimer and smaller with all the best features forcing people who want the best to double dip on buying the system again.
 
[quote name='Justden']Could someone explain how it works with a return to Best Buy under a 2 year warranty?

If I were so inclined to "swap" my existing 360 for an ideally more reliable newer 360, how would I go about it? I want to keep my existing hard drive.[/quote]

They would probably let you swap your warranty and 360 for the new one if there is no price difference, but don't count on keeping your harddrive. I would call..
 
[quote name='Justden']Could someone explain how it works with a return to Best Buy under a 2 year warranty?

If I were so inclined to "swap" my existing 360 for an ideally more reliable newer 360, how would I go about it? I want to keep my existing hard drive.[/QUOTE]


if you're just exchanging a premium for a premium, you could go in and tell them the system is broken and that you want to exchange it for a new one. then tell them you want to keep the old HDD because it has your credit card info, game saves, and live arcade games on it (of course, saying it's the DVD drive that's broken on the old one.) then offer to swap them out right there in front of them. If the manager is cool, they'll let you do it.

the other way is to get a memory card, copy your saves, and just return it. then redownload your games.


but if you're just wondering about the act of returning it, they won't even ask any questions. one of the selling points that they use for the warranty is that you can return for any reason at all. they don't care.
 
[quote name='Justden']Could someone explain how it works with a return to Best Buy under a 2 year warranty?

If I were so inclined to "swap" my existing 360 for an ideally more reliable newer 360, how would I go about it? I want to keep my existing hard drive.[/QUOTE]
If you want to keep your saves, just grab a 3rd party device that allows you to back them up to your computer or a memory card.

Otherwise, you can just re-download your XBLA games on your new hard drive.
 
This is great news for me. I'm hoping someone will be dumb enough to open their new HDMI premium so we can all see if it has new internal parts. If it does, I'll buy one as soon as I get the money.
 
Hmm. Ok. So here's the deal. For some reason, * i think * microsoft is changing the serial number and putting the refurb date instead of the actual manufacturing date on the refurbs. Why? I have no idea. So if you're getting a 360 back it won't have falcon chips, it won't have HDMI, ect. Though, who's to say that you can't just sell you refurb 360s and get some money for that?

I'm a little dissapointed. Not exactly surprised. I'm happy with what I'm getting, though. If the heatsink works like it does then I shouldn't have to worry about anything either way. Only time will tell.

So, the rundown. You but a new 360 that has HDMI, you get the falcon. Send in your 360, you get the heatsink. Both supposedly fix the 3RL. So we're getting something that's pretty equal unless you really wanted HDMI.
 
Forgot to put the " I think" infront of that. I have no proof or evidence of that, but it all seems to make sense. That's the only way. Sorry if I made it seem like there were actual sources.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Forgot to put the " I think" infront of that. I have no proof or evidence of that, but it all seems to make sense. That's the only way.[/QUOTE]
If you mean because of the guy with the July 4th 360 w/HDMI and the July 24 w/o HDMI it could just be different manufacturing plants using different parts. One using the new parts, and another that has a a surplus of the old parts they have to use before using the HDMI motherboard.

It wouldn't make any sense for them to change the serials (nor do I know how they could change the numbers without a new case).
 
Anything is possible here. I mean, I've heard a complaint of a July 07 *refurb*console coming in somewhat dirty. Not grimy or anything, but obviously used. Also, the consoles have these " two dots" which are usually used to mark consoles that were repaired.

I'm just shooting in the dark here. This isn't making much sense to me either. Though your idea sounds alot more realistic than mine :p. o_O
 
What does everyone think about how this affects the value of the Elite?

Previously, I was interested in upgrading to an Elite. For: a) HDMI, b) 100 more GBs, c) Black :) For all that, it was $80 more than the premium.

Now, however, because of the unequal price drop, the Elite is now $100 more than the premium. Assuming you can find an HDMI premium, all you are getting for more money now is just the extra hard drive space and a different color.

So now... what the crap? :)
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Anything is possible here. I mean, I've heard a complaint of a July 07 console coming in somewhat dirty. Not grimy or anything, but obviously used. Also, the consoles have these " two dots" which are usually used to mark consoles that were repaired.

I'm just shooting in the dark here. This isn't making much sense to me either. Though your idea sounds alot more realistic than mine :p. o_O[/quote] July 07? As in 2007? I don't think someone would get a dirty console if they buy it from the store. Unless you're talking about getting a console back from the repair center. Then in that case, I doubt that they would change the serial numbers. There is no point in doing that. Also, if you send in your 360, all they do is refurbish it. They won't send you a brand new one.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']I'm talking about refurbished consoles >_>

You buy it from the store then you're pretty much set....[/quote] Of course you might have the chance of it coming back dirty then. They are probably sending you someone else's console that broke and got fixed.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']These are July 07 consoles with heatsinks. That's what makes it so odd.[/quote] So it says July 07 on the sticker? Even if it's a July 07 refurb, they won't give you a brand new 360. They just add the heatsink on the inside of the 360.
 
[quote name='NC-17']What does everyone think about how this affects the value of the Elite?

Previously, I was interested in upgrading to an Elite. For: a) HDMI, b) 100 more GBs, c) Black :) For all that, it was $80 more than the premium.

Now, however, because of the unequal price drop, the Elite is now $100 more than the premium. Assuming you can find an HDMI premium, all you are getting for more money now is just the extra hard drive space and a different color.

So now... what the crap? :)[/quote]

Even more confusing is the fact that they only dropped the core $20. Who in their right mind is going to buy a Core, buy a memory card for $50 so they can actually play games, and wind up with a shitload less stuff for only $30 less than a premium (Wireless controller, headset, component cables and a HDD)? The smart idea would have been to drop the Core to $250 and package it with a memory card so it could compete with the Wii. The new price drop pricing structures make even less sense than they did before.
 
Since I work at Best Buy I can use the store's system to check out for items being released and whatnot. I printed out the screen with all the info listed below. I was going to take a picture with my cell, but the quality sucks. This is basically all the news I could gather:

- Xbox 360 Pro System w/HDMI is a DIFFERENT sku from all other 360s.
- Release date on these is 09/01/07
- For some reason, the dimensions of the box and item are different. I don't know if the box means the item it's shipped in or the actual box itself and if the item is the system itself, or if the box if the 360 box, or if the box is the box shipped in and the item is the 360 box. The weight leads me to believe that the box is the item that we get and the item are the 360 boxes since weight of the box is almost double of that item and each box comes with 2 Xbox 360s if I'm not mistaken.

Here are the dimensions for the old 360/Elite:

Box:
Length: 15.1300 IN
Width: 11.8100 IN
Height: 12.8100 IN
Weight: 31.0100 LB

Item:
Length: 7.3100 IN
Width: 11.5000 IN
Height: 12.5000 IN
Weight: 14.9100 LB

Here it is for the new HDMI "Pro" 360:

Box:
Length: 11.5000 IN
Width: 7.3100 IN
Height: 12.5000 IN
Weight: 16.6700 LB

Item:
Length: 11.5000 IN
Width: 7.3100 IN
Height: 12.5000 IN
Weight: 16.6700 LB

So that probably means each box we get contains only one system. However, as you can see, the systems did get a little heavier. The boxes themselves changed in size as well.

I'll address any questions you guys may have.
 
I was up reading TeamXbox's article about the rumor of the 65nm HDMI premium & core SKU. My 360 died yesterday, and I'm hoping the 65nm change really fixes the failure problems.

Question:

What are the dimensions for the current Premium box?
 
Thanks, OP. Not sure this needs it's own thread, but it's good news. Maybe mods can merge later at their discretion.
 
[quote name='retail sucks']Question:

What are the dimensions for the current Premium box?[/QUOTE]

The first dimensions I posted are that of the current Xbox 360 Premium and the Elite. Again, I'm not sure 100% what "box" refers to.
 
That's weird, if it's a different SKU and box with its own release date how did that guy in Atlanta already get a premium with HDMI?
 
[quote name='rickonker']That's weird, if it's a different SKU and box with its own release date how did that guy in Atlanta already get a premium with HDMI?[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing
 
So can anyone confirm 65nm/HDMI/Quieter DVD drives yet? making a trip to the US late next month and I'd love to pick up a cooler/quieter 360...
 
Wow, this is great news...although, I feel a little upset as now I still won't have HDMI on my console. I know there is not really a difference in tems of quality between Component and HDMI on the 360, but I have a 1080p and I would love to take advantage of it. Oh well. I still would prefer the Elite with the 120GB HDD>
 
[quote name='doubledown']Wow, this is great news...although, I feel a little upset as now I still won't have HDMI on my console. I know there is not really a difference in tems of quality between Component and HDMI on the 360, but I have a 1080p and I would love to take advantage of it. Oh well. I still would prefer the Elite with the 120GB HDD>[/quote]

If your TV will allow 1080p over component you can do games in 1080p over component.
 
I think the answer as to why the price drops are so wacky will be answered with another price drop before Christmas. With the Premium now easily the best value over the Elite or Core (it was before as well, but now the prices make it compare even BETTER to the Core and the HDMI makes the Elite's value even LESS), they'll have to adjust again before long.

As some others have suggested, this first drop may be an effort to clear out the older, more-expensive-to-manfacture stock. That said, once the word gets out that the new systems are being stocked, those old ones may wind up just sitting there anyway.

...of course, we'll almost certainly get a report of a RRoD on the new Falcon setups within the next few weeks, which will cause plenty of "UGH IT STILL SUCKS" hysteria among the more easily riled.



I'll probably get a new Premium and just sell my current Core w/HD to a friend for like 150 bucks.
 
[quote name='Kfoster1979']If your TV will allow 1080p over component you can do games in 1080p over component.[/QUOTE]

MY TV does not....it's a Sony 60A2020. Great TV, no 1080p over component. I believe not many TV's support it.

Still looks GREAT in 1080i/720p, so I cannot really complain.
 
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