The Imus Scandal Thread

So when is Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the other black leaders (including the new black panther party, who 'escorted' people to and from the courtroom, fully armed and wearing those fantastic berets!) going to apologize to the Duke Lacrosse players?
 
[quote name='dragonreborn23']So when is Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the other black leaders (including the new black panther party, who 'escorted' people to and from the courtroom, fully armed and wearing those fantastic berets!) going to apologize to the Duke Lacrosse players?[/QUOTE]

are. When "are."

And I think you know the answer to that question - but don't bore me to tears with your attempts at obfuscating the topic by suggesting other people are assholes too.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']are. When "are."

And I think you know the answer to that question - but don't bore me to tears with your attempts at obfuscating the topic by suggesting other people are assholes too.[/quote]

It's not really his fault, that's the main argument of Imus apologists such as Sean Hannity- those people have said bad things too!
 
If Imus didn't have such a history of being a douche and a very unlikeable person he'd still have a job. On that note I can't wait for Bill O'Reilly to offend Reverend "Holier than thou" although I don't know if he's senile enough to do so yet, as he recently had the opportunity and blew it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Really? How do you know this for a fact?

Tell you what: either prove to me that Sharpton and Jackson do not represent a large number or majority of blacks in the United States, or give up your phony infuriation. [/quote]

You're asking me to prove a negative. I tried that when the lefties here proclaimed Coulter the voice of the republican party; it's an exercise in futility on this board -- and I daresay the failure to understand is intentional. Instead, I'll ask you to prove to me that either Sharpton or Jackson represent the whole black community.

For the record, my issue with both Jackson AND Sharpton is the simple hypocricy. Both are on the record with remarks disparaging the Jewish community, and one of the two (if not both) weighing in that the Duke Lacrosse case was racially motivated. And Sharpton's got the whole Tawanna Brawley thing. There's other issues I don't quite remember at the moment.

Lastly, please do not bore me with the argument that if "A" makes me mad then where was my outrage for "B," "C," "D," "E," and "Q." You asked someone else to not obfuscate this topic, and I'll ask you to as well.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']I tried that when the lefties here proclaimed Coulter the voice of the republican party; it's an exercise in futility on this board -- and I daresay the failure to understand is intentional.[/QUOTE]

IIRC it was said that she had a significant platform not that she spoke for every damn Republican.
 
I'd just like to say that firing Imus is a little excessive. Suspension, fine. But firing him? A little much.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']He didn't say any banned words, and he didn't talk graphicly about sex. Those will get you a fine from the FCC. What he said was pretty tame in terms of the FCC getting involved.[/quote]
That's too far. It's a slippery slope - as can plainly be seen - people now think that you don't have the right to insult others over the air - and many are calling for legislation to ban it.

I don't really care about Imus or women's basketball (does anyone?) I'm just perterbed by the people who say he doesn't have the right to say what he did.

You're correct on this point - the market pulled advertising and Imus got canned - this one is all about the market forces. That's how it should be.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I'd just like to say that firing Imus is a little excessive. Suspension, fine. But firing him? A little much.[/quote]

I have a feeling he was going to retire soon anyway, he made note that this year could be his last annual charity drive. Imus was also noted saying that he didn't want to go out like this, and be remembered in this way - said before he was fired.

My guess CBS decided to cut their losses figuring that by the time Imus was able to repair any of his obliterated reputation, he'd be just about ready to retire anyway. So, why waste time and risk damaging their image.

I'm sure CBS told him "Nothing personal, it's just business."
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']You're asking me to prove a negative. I tried that when the lefties here proclaimed Coulter the voice of the republican party; it's an exercise in futility on this board -- and I daresay the failure to understand is intentional. Instead, I'll ask you to prove to me that either Sharpton or Jackson represent the whole black community.

For the record, my issue with both Jackson AND Sharpton is the simple hypocricy. Both are on the record with remarks disparaging the Jewish community, and one of the two (if not both) weighing in that the Duke Lacrosse case was racially motivated. And Sharpton's got the whole Tawanna Brawley thing. There's other issues I don't quite remember at the moment.

Lastly, please do not bore me with the argument that if "A" makes me mad then where was my outrage for "B," "C," "D," "E," and "Q." You asked someone else to not obfuscate this topic, and I'll ask you to as well.[/QUOTE]

So, when you can't prove something, you simply ask the opposite to be proven by me? Please. You need more dancing lessons.

Tawana Brawley? Well, of course nobody is perfect, but isn't the shelf life on that "scandal" expired? Now, if you spend your whole life working on civil rights issues, you're bound to make a few mistakes, including this, and including Duke. If you think that excuses or negates everything else he's done in his public career, well...then you ought to be the same kind of person who thinks a handful of bigoted remarks by Don Imus negates the good things he has done, and the unoffensive things he has done in his career.

As for my last point, I'm merely asking why people seem to have animosity for Sharpton and Jackson, specifically, when they're really no fucking different than any other nonrepresentative talking head on television. I asked what separates Bill Donohoue from Al Sharpton, and you refuse to answer. Why is it that Sharpton gets under your skin for what you think is a false attempt at claiming to speak for an entire bloc of the population, yet others who do the same do not? It's a fair question, and it's obfuscating *nothing*. I'm curious why your ire is reserved for two people out of *many* who fulfill the "bullshit talking head" role, and find it peculiar that both of those two are minorities who tackle civil rights issues.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] I'm curious why your ire is reserved for two people out of *many* who fulfill the "bullshit talking head" role, and find it peculiar that both of those two are minorities who tackle civil rights issues.[/QUOTE]

The problem is, they do so at their own convienence. When they try to defend a black person against disparaging remarks said by a white, they say that the language should not be used by anyone, the race card be damned. Which is great, I agree wholeheartedly.

But when it gets reversed, they are nowhere to be seen. Do I have a clear-cut example to give at this time? No I do not. And that has partly to do with the fact it receives no media attention. If I go on the air and call all black people porchmonkeys, then Al Sharpton would in my face so fast we'd be waiting a few minutes for the activator to arrive. If a black person goes on the air and calls all white people klansmen, it gets no more than a slap on the wrist.

I don't mind that Al and Jesse feel the obligation to stand up for black people against intolerant language. But to proclaim themselves equal opportunity defenders? That my friend is a snowjob. I'd have less of a problem with Al in particular if he just came out and said white people shouldn't say these things and not try to pretend to do things I have never seen him do.
 
[quote name='dragonreborn23']So when is Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the other black leaders (including the new black panther party, who 'escorted' people to and from the courtroom, fully armed and wearing those fantastic berets!) going to apologize to the Duke Lacrosse players?[/quote]

While that is a different topic, they should. What they did is far more damaging than what Imus said could ever be. The sad thing is that there will be some spin on it even if it did happen.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']You're asking me to prove a negative. I tried that when the lefties here proclaimed Coulter the voice of the republican party; it's an exercise in futility on this board -- and I daresay the failure to understand is intentional. Instead, I'll ask you to prove to me that either Sharpton or Jackson represent the whole black community.

For the record, my issue with both Jackson AND Sharpton is the simple hypocricy. Both are on the record with remarks disparaging the Jewish community, and one of the two (if not both) weighing in that the Duke Lacrosse case was racially motivated. And Sharpton's got the whole Tawanna Brawley thing. There's other issues I don't quite remember at the moment.

Lastly, please do not bore me with the argument that if "A" makes me mad then where was my outrage for "B," "C," "D," "E," and "Q." You asked someone else to not obfuscate this topic, and I'll ask you to as well.[/quote]

As a black person I can say that Sharpton nor Jackson in no way represents me. There is the proof that the whole community isn't represented. Even Charles Barkley said he is tired of them making everything a platform for their agendas.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']As a black person I can say that Sharpton nor Jackson in no way represents me. There is the proof that the whole community isn't represented. Even Charles Barkley said he is tired of them making everything a platform for their agendas.[/QUOTE]

The point I'm trying to make is that you will *never* find anyone who represents a people or constituency as a whole. Not Sharpton, not Michael Eric Dyson, not Ann Coulter, not Paul Begala. Nobody. It's impossible.

To be fair, there's a reason that I much prefer news on NPR - they deal with topics in depth and find relevant and involved analysts, rather than focusing on some boiled down talking head parrot who they believe looks like a representative of a particular bloc or constituency, real or imagined.

The irony, of course, is that, even when they get a legit group identified (and I do believe that, for the most part, "blacks" can be included in that list), the person they get to do that representing is always an extremist. Extreme righties, lefties, civil rights advocates, environmentalists, etc. Anything resembling "reasoned discourse" or a respectable "exchange of ideas" happens on tv news. It's pro wrestling, plain and simple - by guys are the faces, your guys the heels.

Think of it this way - when seeing people representing two viewpoints on the TV news, when (if ever) have you heard someone concede to their "opponent" that they had reasonable or good ideas? How closely does that resemble the political dialogue you have in the real world?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm curious why your ire is reserved for two people out of *many* who fulfill the "bullshit talking head" role, and find it peculiar that both of those two are minorities who tackle civil rights issues.[/quote]

It's not. I'm sticking to the topic at hand. Donahue, Coulter, Dobson, Robertson, Sullivan? They don't belong here. If they start going all over TV, inviting them onto talk shows, playing race cards and confronting Imus, THEN we'll talk about that. You might be surprised.

I'll dance better when you bring better music. You know quite well that proving a negative is not possible, which is why you're trying to make me do it. I will not, and have explained that. I've asked you to prove your point. If you refuse to, well, it looks like we've reached an impasse.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The point I'm trying to make is that you will *never* find anyone who represents a people or constituency as a whole. Not Sharpton, not Michael Eric Dyson, not Ann Coulter, not Paul Begala. Nobody. It's impossible.

To be fair, there's a reason that I much prefer news on NPR - they deal with topics in depth and find relevant and involved analysts, rather than focusing on some boiled down talking head parrot who they believe looks like a representative of a particular bloc or constituency, real or imagined.

The irony, of course, is that, even when they get a legit group identified (and I do believe that, for the most part, "blacks" can be included in that list), the person they get to do that representing is always an extremist. Extreme righties, lefties, civil rights advocates, environmentalists, etc. Anything resembling "reasoned discourse" or a respectable "exchange of ideas" happens on tv news. It's pro wrestling, plain and simple - by guys are the faces, your guys the heels.

Think of it this way - when seeing people representing two viewpoints on the TV news, when (if ever) have you heard someone concede to their "opponent" that they had reasonable or good ideas? How closely does that resemble the political dialogue you have in the real world?[/quote]

I dig NPR myself (for music as much as news). I haven't listened to it for awhile though.

My personal view is that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton try SO hard to get into the history books as activists. IMO they very badly want to be mentioned in the same breath as Martin Luther King Jr. IMO that drives what they do as much as the "desire" to help. I think I'll leave it at that because this is starting to get way off topic.

The snowball effect this situation has had, whether people support or disapprove, of Imus is rather frightening IMO.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']
My personal view is that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton try SO hard to get into the history books as activists. IMO they very badly want to be mentioned in the same breath as Martin Luther King Jr. IMO that drives what they do as much as the "desire" to help. I think I'll leave it at that because this is starting to get way off topic.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The point I'm trying to make is that you will *never* find anyone who represents a people or constituency as a whole. Not Sharpton, not Michael Eric Dyson, not Ann Coulter, not Paul Begala. Nobody. It's impossible.[/quote]
I actually disagree with you on that one. Perhaps it is not objectively possible, but, especially with an issue like race, the rules are different. Race is easily often a part of one's identity, and it is not hard at all to tie race together with some sort of cultural narrative. I think Toni Morrison wrote a good deal on the light side of this sort of thing (She didn't make a light side, dark side dichotomy. Is purely my own rhetorical game.).

Thus, it is easy enough to make this narrative, usually one of some sort of shared grievance, something that "should" be internalized by all members of this ethnic group. And, from there, it is a hop, skip, and a jump to determining one's membership in the ethnic group on the basis of that narrative, especially if it provides some imperative. You don't toe the line? You're not really white/black/Jewish/Indian, et al.

And it isn't even a hop to allow for a charismatic figure, such as Jackson or Sharpton, to take on a stewardship role in the dictation of that narrative.

So, while 100% representation by a single individual is technically impossible (Pretty much by definition, so it is barely worth stating...), that an individual could be held in such high regard as to 'speak for' a vast majority of a group is entirely conceivable.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']It's not. I'm sticking to the topic at hand. Donahue, Coulter, Dobson, Robertson, Sullivan? They don't belong here. If they start going all over TV, inviting them onto talk shows, playing race cards and confronting Imus, THEN we'll talk about that. You might be surprised.

I'll dance better when you bring better music. You know quite well that proving a negative is not possible, which is why you're trying to make me do it. I will not, and have explained that. I've asked you to prove your point. If you refuse to, well, it looks like we've reached an impasse.[/QUOTE]

Actually, it's pretty simple to hunt down opinion polls to show whether or not a randomly sampled group of blacks feel that people such as Sharpton speak for them. I'm not asking for AP Calculus, I'm asking for you to verify your claim that

[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']One last note, also to Myke... we both know that neither Jackson nor Sharpton speak for Black America. However, they often presume to. It's infuriating.[/QUOTE]

That's all. You said something. I'm asking you to verify it for me. All I want is some poll data, not some "you can't prove a negative" nonsense. If a randomly selected group of black adults in the United States say that they disagree with Sharpton, or that they don't feel he speaks to issues they find important, or that they take positions radically different from him, then I'll concede and back down.

Opinion polls. Don't give me that "it's impossible" nonsense. I've laid down the necessary basics for you to bolster or destroy your claim. It's your duty to find them, seeing as how you made the claim from the beginning.

RollingSkull, I'm not saying it's theoretically impossible, or wasting my time saying that "since it could be 99%, but never likely 100%, it's not worth considering." I fully believe that there are people who do speak for their group, whether based on an ascribed characteristic such as race (well, half ascribed, half social), or whether based on more flexible characteristics such as sexuality or religion. It's more or less impossible for Catholics to disagree with the Pope, for example - some, such as myself, frequently do...but that doesn't make the Pope incorrect, it makes me a questionable Catholic. :lol:
 
Chalk up another win for Political Correctness.

I'm almost scared to keep pursuing my career as a sports broadcaster, I wouldn't want to say a black player "robbed" someone of a home run, and then be accused of racism.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Chalk up another win for Political Correctness.

I'm almost scared to keep pursuing my career as a sports broadcaster, I wouldn't want to say a black player "robbed" someone of a home run, and then be accused of racism.[/QUOTE]


You'll be fine. Just use stupid analysis like 'He's really athletic' when you are talking about...athletes.

BTW, that's what I'd love to do myself.
 
Let me clear up what may be the confusion between ICB and myself with regards to Sharpton "speaking for" the black community at large.

When I say that I believe he does, it is because he echoes the frustration a lot of blacks have, as evidenced by ample accounts of discrimination in society (I can't even call them "remnants," because they're so strong and consistent everywhere), and by virtue of the sorts of social problems, at the structural level (government, education, racial attitudes), that they seem to share.

So, when I say Sharpton speaks for the black community, I mean it.

OTOH, I do not believe he speaks *everything* for the black community. Perhaps this is the source of your frustration? He does not hold blacks accountable for very much. He may well do so, but he does it privately. It's an interesting omission that makes it easy to discredit everything he says and does.

The missing portion of his narrative is, I think, best summarized by the sorts of things Bill Cosby got in hot water for saying. Cosby became outspoken at his frustrations of inner-city black culture, of their rejection of proper social norms, their embracing of low interest in proper education, a lack of achievement orientation, and so on and so forth. Plenty of the kinds of books where you'll find plenty of blacks lamenting how society still discriminates against them (the works of William Julius Wilson, Elijah Anderson, and Katherine Newman to name a few) also contain the very same people lamenting that the culture of inner-city blacks has made the "poor culture versus social structure" argument a chicken-and-egg scenario in terms of policy. Will throwing money on education help a community disinterested in education better themselves? Will ending welfare change a culture that has little to no resources to better themselves?

Focusing on only repairing one social ill isn't going to make anything better, in short.

I would argue that Cosby and Sharpton are two halves to a complete narrative of the kinds of attitudes many blacks have in the current era - it's complex and sometimes contradictory. That's never stopped anybody else before in terms of political attitudes. ;)

Cosby was lambasted by others, I believe, not for his content but for his conduct. He was Heathcliff Huxtable to many, the Jell-O pudding guy to others...someone who, in their entire public career, *never* tackled any racial topics head on. All of a sudden he blows up and turns into the "what the hell is the matter with all you people?" kind of character. While many people agree with him, it was his sudden and accusatory demeanor, along with his career-long silence on race issues, that made people fail to take him seriously. (there's also a potential for backlash because of anger at him for "airing dirty laundry" - he didn't say anything blacks don't know, but it didn't do anything to help their average situation; I suppose you could parallel it with the Dixie Chicks controversy - the content of what they said was never under question, but the context of where and how they said it ruined any potential impact it would have had)

So, long story short, I agree with the sorts of things Cosby said, and only wish that he didn't sound like such a grade-A asshole when saying them. I think the ideal person who would "speak for black America" would combine the calling-out of racism in society of Sharpton along with Cosby's emphasis on introspection (though, of course, turning it on its head into a more hopeful and positive approach, rather than a major-league scolding). Barack Obama has a lot of these characteristics - but he is not a perfect being. It's hard to hold these two narratives down simultaneously - even if they can both be true, if you use the wrong narrative in response to the wrong situation - say in response to the Imus situation - well, the results would make Imus look like he got off light, IMO.

That's my clarification - Sharpton doesn't say *everything* for the black community, but, rather, has a direct and consistent, but *partial*, narrative that speaks to the black experience. His willful avoidance of the other half of that narrative is troubling and disappointin, but does not discount the content of what it is that he does say and argue.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The point I'm trying to make is that you will *never* find anyone who represents a people or constituency as a whole. Not Sharpton, not Michael Eric Dyson, not Ann Coulter, not Paul Begala. Nobody. It's impossible. [/quote]

That's right! If white people allow ourselves to believe that Jackson and Sharpton are a representation of the entire African-American race, then by that logic, non-white people could view someone like President Bush as a representation of all of white-America. Wouldn't that be something :lol:


Oh and Guile, you're right on the money with Sharpton & Jackson, they may think of themselves as zealots for racial equality, but in reality they're just out to get whatever they can for themselves. I wonder what kind of mansions they live in, cars they drive, luxurious hotels they stay in, etc all purchased in the name of equality I'm sure.
 
All I want is some poll data
I failed... my google-fu is weak, I guess. Either that or the poll's never been done. I have one poll where Jackson's the most influential African-American around, but it's a fill-in-the-blank question and he has 15% of the vote. Rice, Powell, and someone else rounded out the top 4. Sharpton got about half the votes that Kanye West did in that poll... but that's beside the point. Point is, I don't have proof. So. Guess I lose?

[edit] you posted while I was googling. It looks like you articulated what I didn't about Sharpton. Interesting parallel with Cosby, too. Thank you.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Tawana Brawley? Well, of course nobody is perfect, but isn't the shelf life on that "scandal" expired? Now, if you spend your whole life working on civil rights issues, you're bound to make a few mistakes, including this, and including Duke. If you think that excuses or negates everything else he's done in his public career, well...then you ought to be the same kind of person who thinks a handful of bigoted remarks by Don Imus negates the good things he has done, and the unoffensive things he has done in his career.[/quote]
It would be "expired" if he had actually apologized or paid the judgement against him in the case. Instead it's been TWENTY YEARS and the people whose lives he RUINED are still awaiting the justice due to them. And if Al's going to bring up a 20-year old case to show a pattern in Imus' behavior (the "cleaning lady comment" in 1987), then his dirty laundry is fair game too.

But maybe we don't need to go back that far. How about 1995, when Al's little comment about "white interlopers" got a building burned down and EIGHT PEOPLE MURDERED. Or how about his referral to jews as "diamond merchants"? The list goes on and on.

Or how about one year ago, when the Duke Rape case was breaking. Sharpton threw his support behind the accuser, and offered her a full scholarship. When asked if he would withdraw the offer should it be determined that she had completely fabricated the story and falsely accused those players, he said quite definitively "No." That's fucking unacceptable.

But that's not my point. The point is that people like Sharpton and Jackson are complete hypocrites. They have REPEATEDLY asked for and received forgiveness from the public for their many transgressions, most of which are FAR worse than the few comments they point out that Imus has made over his 37-year career. And they've been allowed to continue doing what they do despite those transgressions. But Imus doesn't deserve the same forgiveness and understanding that they have received themselves. That makes them phony, intellectually dishonest douchebags.
 
Check out what Snoop Dog said:

"It's a completely different scenario. [Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money. These are two separate things.
First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC [the cable network home to Imus] going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them mutha-----as say we in the same league as him."
-- Snoop Dogg

To me, this sounds like he's saying "don't denigrate women - that's my job!"
 
[quote name='camoor']Check out what Snoop Dog said:[/QUOTE]

So basically the same old "I'm black so I can make fun of black people" thing? :roll:
 
[quote name='Francis']You know Imus does alot of charity work infact aren't they doing some charity drive thing this week?

He runs a ranch for sick kids, always going on about helping kids with autism. He really seems to care about these issues and apparently has put in alot of money to help them.

I wonder if Al Sharpton is taking this into consideration while calling for his job. I mean if he loses his job, what will happen to the people Imus does help? Oh he doesn't care he's happy being back on tv. Does that make me racist for thinking that?[/QUOTE]


I was thinking the same thing. If it wasn't for Imus, who knows if we'd have the current research and studies being performed on autism that we have today.
 
Trust me, Imus should have plenty in the bank to continue his charity work. The thing I don't like is how messy the situation has turned.

Hannity has been digging up old clips of Sharpton and is now suggesting that Hillary return the money from a fundraiser hosted by producer/artist Timbaland (he apparently says the N-word 24 times throughout one song).

Now all the networks are questioning rap music and whether or not it's hypocritical for Imus to be canned.

We've done a complete 180 from the Imus scandal. I hoped this would be an isolated incident, but it seems as if I was wrong (Then again, the 24-hour networks have to have something to talk about :roll: )
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']George Orwell was right, we are victims of the thought police, it's called "Political Correctness."[/quote]

Yeah, I'm sure that's what Orwell had in mind by "war is peace" and "freedom is slavery" - after all, the world of "1984" is a place where people bend over backwards not to offend anyone. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that modern American culture doesn't share traits with 1984... http://www.studentsfororwell.org/

This whole episode reminds me alot more of that awful movie Demolition Man - even though I found the movie stale and derivative as a whole, I did enjoy the thematic element of a future world that has been completely neutered and dehumanized by conformist socialism and political correctness.
 
[quote name='primetime']Trust me, Imus should have plenty in the bank to continue his charity work. The thing I don't like is how messy the situation has turned.

Hannity has been digging up old clips of Sharpton and is now suggesting that Hillary return the money from a fundraiser hosted by producer/artist Timbaland (he apparently says the N-word 24 times throughout one song).

Now all the networks are questioning rap music and whether or not it's hypocritical for Imus to be canned.

We've done a complete 180 from the Imus scandal. I hoped this would be an isolated incident, but it seems as if I was wrong (Then again, the 24-hour networks have to have something to talk about :roll: )[/QUOTE]

I actually think this is a good thing. Either we end up holding everyone to the same standard (draconian as that may become but at least its not hypocritical) or people finally realize how out of hand this has been getting.
 
[quote name='geko29']It would be "expired" if he had actually apologized or paid the judgement against him in the case. Instead it's been TWENTY YEARS and the people whose lives he RUINED are still awaiting the justice due to them. And if Al's going to bring up a 20-year old case to show a pattern in Imus' behavior (the "cleaning lady comment" in 1987), then his dirty laundry is fair game too.

But maybe we don't need to go back that far. How about 1995, when Al's little comment about "white interlopers" got a building burned down and EIGHT PEOPLE MURDERED. Or how about his referral to jews as "diamond merchants"? The list goes on and on.

Or how about one year ago, when the Duke Rape case was breaking. Sharpton threw his support behind the accuser, and offered her a full scholarship. When asked if he would withdraw the offer should it be determined that she had completely fabricated the story and falsely accused those players, he said quite definitively "No." That's fucking unacceptable.

But that's not my point. The point is that people like Sharpton and Jackson are complete hypocrites. They have REPEATEDLY asked for and received forgiveness from the public for their many transgressions, most of which are FAR worse than the few comments they point out that Imus has made over his 37-year career. And they've been allowed to continue doing what they do despite those transgressions. But Imus doesn't deserve the same forgiveness and understanding that they have received themselves. That makes them phony, intellectually dishonest douchebags.[/quote]

You know, I was going to write a post to this effect, but I don't think I could have said it any better than this.
 
this was an easy out for CBS..they weren't getting anywhere near the amount of money reported from the Imus show..

on what he said...

it was a bad joke... the fact that biggots like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson pile on make it even more laughable...and completely make it a joke...
 
[quote name='Veritas1204']You know, I was going to write a post to this effect, but I don't think I could have said it any better than this.[/quote]

I agree with Geko.
 
Overblown, sensationalized and drug through the mud. I really do feel sorry for Imus, I don't listen to him much or find myself relating to his views very much, but this is clearly a case of double standards. To me it seemed like a very sarcastic and typical old craggy man joke, nothing more-nothing less.

I'm tired of these kinds of double standards, this kind of thing is what hurts 'race relations' more than Mr. Imus' joke ever could. Now when you analyze the people who have been demonizing him in the media right now...Ohh I won't even get into the commentators hypocrisy myself, wading through that pile of bullshit could take all night, it's such an obvious display of hiding behind your race to negate your actions & comments.
 
[quote name='camoor']Yeah, I'm sure that's what Orwell had in mind by "war is peace" and "freedom is slavery" - after all, the world of "1984" is a place where people bend over backwards not to offend anyone. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that modern American culture doesn't share traits with 1984... http://www.studentsfororwell.org[/quote]

In accordance with 1984 standards, the thought police are on their way to your house to make you disappear.

Nice knowing you.

Hey, at least you didn't say nigger. Then you'd really be in trouble.
 
Bumping an old thread but new stuff is coming out.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OTJCE80&show_article=1

NEW YORK (AP) - A lawyer for Don Imus said Friday that the former radio host's bosses could have edited the on-air comments that got him fired—and the fact that they didn't meant they saw his remarks as routine for his often provocative show.

CBS Radio and MSNBC had delay buttons, but didn't use them when Imus made racist and sexist comments about the Rutgers women's basketball team, lawyer Martin Garbus said on ABC's "Good Morning America."
"That means CBS and MSNBC both knew the language that was going out, and both knew the language complied with (Imus') contract. ... It was consistent with many of the things he had done," Garbus said.
CBS Radio owns Imus' former home radio station, WFAN-AM, and MSNBC televised his show.
Spokeswomen for CBS Radio and MSNBC had no immediate comment on Garbus' comments early Friday.
Imus, 66, was dismissed April 12 after describing the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos" on his nationally syndicated radio program. He was barely three months into a five-year, $40 million contract with CBS, and his attorney has said Imus would sue for the contract's unpaid portion.
Garbus cited a contract clause in which CBS acknowledged that Imus' services were "unique, extraordinary, irreverent, intellectual, topical, controversial." The clause said Imus' programming was "desired by company and ... consistent with company rules and policy," according to Garbus.
CBS Radio, in a statement issued Thursday, said it would vigorously contest Imus' claim.
"We terminated Mr. Imus for cause," CBS Radio said in a statement Thursday. "Based on the comments in question and relevant contract terms, we believe that the termination was appropriate and CBS would expect to prevail in any attempt by Mr. Imus to recover money for his actions." Garbus' past clients include comedian Lenny Bruce, the rap group Public Enemy and filmmaker Spike Lee.
 
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