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[quote name='crr_1119']Anyone else think that maybe TNAnonymous really was Eric Young? And the whole "I'm a fan and worked all of you" thing was because he was working things out with Dixie?[/QUOTE]


Sounds very likely. :whistle2:K

Better to put one over on the fans who'll still show support, than the bosses that pay bills.
 
[quote name='jupiterjones']Are any of the DVDs on sale for the "Black Friday" deal worth getting? I know most of them are from '05-'06, but I'll be damned if any of them ring any bells in the quality department.[/QUOTE]

Here's the ones I recommend. I also quoting the current prices shown on ShopTNA but I don't know if that is the planned Black Friday sale price.

- TNA Anthology Set which is under 2004 PPVs. Turning Point and Lockdown are surprisingly decent. Of course Turning Point has the infamous Triple X vs AMW cage match. $14.99

- Slammiversary 2005. King Of The Mountain...
... that had one of the biggest Demo Man markout moments ever at the end of the PPV.
$6.99

- Unbreakable 2005. AJ vs Joe vs Daniels triple threat for the X title. $3.99

- Turning Point 2005. Sabu vs Abyss barbed wire. $3.99

- Turning Point 2006. Angle vs Joe part 2. $4.99

I don't remember much of the other PPVs that are part of the sale since its been eons since I've watched them. I already own the vast majority of the TNA PPV DVD releases from 2004-2006 so I might revisit them someday.

As far as Eric Young and the whole TNAnoymonus thing... well it does put a new twist on that "Don't Fire Eric" gimmick from a few years back now doesn't it. :lol:
 
GREAT tna event tonight.. pics later.. eric young wrestled abyss.. got to meet jeff hardy and jeff jarrett after the show
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']Discuss:

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/WWE_Reveals_Its_Top_50_Superstars_Of_All_Time.html[/QUOTE]
Holds as much creditability as that 25 talkers list a while back.I think HBK might just be the best worker in the last 20 years along with Kurt Angle,but damn really number 1 with Hulk Hogan not even in the top 20?Just absurd.Even Nick Bockwinkel who never worked for the WWE until getting into their HOF has a spot on the list.Also surprised they have Mr.Perfect ahead of John Cena even and Triple H isn't in a better spot on the list.Have to wonder with as silly as that list is if its even the real thing.
 
Ric Flair at 17? Hogan at 23? Kurt Angle at 34? No Benoit at all? Credibility denied.

Yes, I know there are political reasons for these positions and exclusion but it doesn't make the list any less ridiculous.

[quote name='crr_1119']Definitely fits together well. Eric Young's contract ends and he leaves the company the same day TNAnonymous was going to reveal himself. Then we're told he's just a fan who worked us all, and a couple of days later Eric Young has re-signed with TNA.[/QUOTE]

Works for me. The whole "I'm just a fan who worked you" reeks of trying to sweep the whole thing under the rug.
 
Fun night. Walked right past Dixie on my way in. Say what you will about how the storylines suck, superstars are old, etc.. you'd never catch Vince in the crowd shaking hands and taking pictures with people for free.

The card started out with Jeremy Borash saying he was going to take everyone backstage. A TNA employee came out and said no. He said he wasn't in charge. A ref came out and said no. Borash said you'll have to go in the crowd and take the passes from the fans hands.. he handed out a few. AJ Styles came out and said this is the house that AJ built, what he says goes, and there will be no backstage passes tonight. Raven comes out, they banter back and forth, eventually agreeing on the match stipulation - if AJ wins, no fans backstage. If Raven wins, fans can come backstage.

Raven def. AJ Styles via Evenflow DDT. Throughout the night they continue to hand out passes and throughout the night they continue to let fans backstage.

Madison Rayne def. Velvet Sky

Abyss defeated Eric Young ("The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero was originally supposed to fight Abyss)

Motorcity Machine Guns def Beer Money Inc and Ink inc.

Intermission

Jeff Jarret def Samoa Joe

Jeff Hardy def "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero after Mr. Anderson wasn't medically cleared to wrestle.

Prior to the match, Anderson got on the mic and was talking about how hard Jeff hit him a few weeks ago and mentioned that it was legit, wasn't part of a storyline or anything.

Here's a few pictures. Sorry for the blurry pictures and all.. except on the action shots.

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The list was always going to cause discussion, but I have to say that I'm not real shocked by the rankings.

With the exception of Mysterio and HHH, who I assumed would be switched, that's basically the list I'd expect 'right now' WWE to come up with. Legends in the top 5, current guys sprinkled in every 5 spots or so, and anyone associated with TNA probably dropped 10 slots because of it.

For a company that exists solely on the 'who are my friends right now' mantra, it's pretty much what I expected.
 
Jerry Lawler in the top 20 makes this list an automatic fail.

Even though I really dislike Hulk Hogan, he should be #1. I base this on the fact that he made more money than anyone else and that he made more money for the business than anyone else. And is the most well-known wrestler in history. The guys that are ranked in the top 5, Ric Flair would also be my top 10. I have to think about which three guys I would put in to round out the top 10. But I damn sure wouldn't include Rey Mysterio.
 
Rey Mysterio from 1999 and on has been very repetitive and injury prone, however, he was world class before then. Still wouldn't say Top 10 but if it's a current WWE made list, I could see how they might try and grasp at that.
 
The fact that Jeff's face is actually on that belt really bothers me.

Honestly though, at this point, if I was Vince, I'd just Jeff rot in TNA. If you want to take down the competition, what better way is there? TNA is throwing everything they possibly can at Jeff, so I imagine they are taking a big loss on him, especially with that new belt. And really, Jeff doesn't have a good enough character to really kick it up to the big time, so I can't imagine him ever being the big guy TNA wants him to be. Finally, he's already proven to WWE that he has no loyalty. Why would you possibly bring him back when his contract runs out, just so he can regain some lost creditbility and popularity, and then possibly go back to TNA(if it's still around at that time)?
 
Hey! Wrestlemania tickets are now on sale!

I picked mine up (4 tix) via a presale code on Thursday night. Any CAGs planning on attending Wrestlemania in Atlanta??

Also, I'm planning on going up on Saturday to watch Ring of Honor and Dragon Gate USA (their information is still pending though).

I am also planning on breaking my vegetarian diet for the weekend (started in August). You know I'm going to have some Gladys Knight's Chicken & Waffles and Vortex Burger!
 
Jeff Hardy = money, though. During the year he was feuding with Punk, he was probably the biggest face that they had, even moreso than Cena or Undertaker during that time. I doubt that WWE wouldn't take him back if the opportunity arose.
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']http://topropebelts.com/gallery/spe...rtal-champion-title/attachment/trbtna-63-r50/

Close up shots of Jeff Hardy's new TNA World Title. It's extremely hideous...
Once again WWE screws something up (New Tag belts) and TNA has to show em up..[/QUOTE]

ugggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh

it actually says enigmatic champion around the bolts on the front

can't wait for fatt hardy aka THE ANGELIC DIABLO to debut and fued with him :roll:

[quote name='PepsiDriver']Hey! Wrestlemania tickets are now on sale!

I picked mine up (4 tix) via a presale code on Thursday night. Any CAGs planning on attending Wrestlemania in Atlanta??

Also, I'm planning on going up on Saturday to watch Ring of Honor and Dragon Gate USA (their information is still pending though).[/QUOTE]

I'm not interested in Wrestlemania (I went to the one in Orlando a few years back) but if I'm in the area, I would love to see Dragon Gate for the first time.
 
Hardy is like Cena in the way that they both make money, but I can't figure out why. People go apeshit over them, and I've never been able to grasp it.

Oh, and the key word in that sentence about the year of being the biggest face? Punk. Hardy became a huge draw because of who he was in the ring with, and what they said, not Hardy himself. Let's remember that was also the culmination of everything Punk had wanted to do for years, and I've always attributed Hardy's popularity at the time completely to just how fantastic Punk was with that story. Hardy happened to be the guy across the ring, and a great foil, but tell me that Hardy would've been nearly as huge if he'd had a feud that long with anyone else. People were behind him during the HHH/Edge stuff, but it was nothing like the program with Punk.
 
I think Jeff is popular for 2 reasons. Guys like him because he does all the high flying shit. Girls like him because he's all.... Jeffy. Arm socks are sexy, I guess... But really, I think you can get similar popularity out of Evan Bourne if he was pushed to the sky. And I'm not a good judge of guys, but I think Bourne looks a lot better than Hardy, so he should at least be able to get in with the female fans pretty well. He just might not be able to get the fatties that love Jeff because he's all emo/altnerative. :lol:
 
I'll give you that a lot of it was Punk being amazing, but you can't take that much away from Hardy as well. During the Edge/HHH program, people were salivating over the prospect of Hardy's first World Title. Then once he finally got it, the crowds went nuclear. That alone showed how over he was.

Then we were all treated to his feud with Punk, which was one of the best that I can recall. The heat that Punk got from cashing in MITB against the Hardy boy toy was probably more than the love people had for Jeff.
 
One of the questions I had when I read the list and it is going to come off like an asshole question:

Would Eddie be so high on the list if he was still alive?
 
[quote name='PepsiDriver']Hey! Wrestlemania tickets are now on sale!

I picked mine up (4 tix) via a presale code on Thursday night. Any CAGs planning on attending Wrestlemania in Atlanta??

Also, I'm planning on going up on Saturday to watch Ring of Honor and Dragon Gate USA (their information is still pending though).

I am also planning on breaking my vegetarian diet for the weekend (started in August). You know I'm going to have some Gladys Knight's Chicken & Waffles and Vortex Burger![/QUOTE]


I'm probably gonna go, it's my birthday weekend, and I've got a empty family house 45 mins north of Atlanta.. if anyone else goes, be sure and check out the Varsity for food.
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']One of the questions I had when I read the list and it is going to come off like an asshole question:

Would Eddie be so high on the list if he was still alive?[/QUOTE]
It's funny you should ask that, because I think today is the 5-year anniversary of his death.

That being said, I haven't seen enough of his pre-WWE work to give a credible asnwer.
 
[quote name='PepsiDriver']Hey! Wrestlemania tickets are now on sale!

I picked mine up (4 tix) via a presale code on Thursday night. Any CAGs planning on attending Wrestlemania in Atlanta??

Also, I'm planning on going up on Saturday to watch Ring of Honor and Dragon Gate USA (their information is still pending though).

I am also planning on breaking my vegetarian diet for the weekend (started in August). You know I'm going to have some Gladys Knight's Chicken & Waffles and Vortex Burger![/QUOTE]

ROH and DGUSA? Yes. WM? Eh.
 
I'd like to offer my recommendations for Turning Point 05 and Unbreakable 05 as well. Two of the best PPVs I've ever seen. And.. as far as Eric Young being TNAnonymous:

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Weren't you the one talking about how it was just a work?

Aw, who gives a fuck.

EDIT: Someone on another board pointed out that the faceplate on Hardy's new belt looks like Andross from SNES Star Fox. Can't fucking unsee. :lol:
 
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[quote name='cdubb1605']Discuss:

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/WWE_Reveals_Its_Top_50_Superstars_Of_All_Time.html[/QUOTE]

The asshole-smark fan in me is cringing at some of the names on that list (i.e., Jeff Hardy, Batista, Randy Orton, Edge, Fabulous Moolah, etc.). Then, after the initial laughing, I realize it's a list made by WWE, and all the factors that are involved (solidifying present top stars, etc.).

And why would anyone scoff at Jerry Lawler's appearance on the list? Guy had a great career and put on great matches. Heck, he's one of the best commentators ever. Heel Jerry Lawler is only behind legends like Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon.

What matters is that Curt Hennig, Ted DiBiase, Chris Jericho, and a few others, receive mentions.

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According to the press, Eric Young agreed to a sizable pay cut. That sorta legitimizes that he was TNAnonymous.

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Eddie Guerrero is one of the all-time greats.

He, and Dean Malenko, put on great matches over the years, and all over the world.

Here's one of my favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFU7cMVfLE

Dean's delivery is still one of the best. The wheelbarrow-to-German suplex, starting at 7:15 (in the second part), is incredible.
 
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It's kind of hard to leave Edge out of those lists at this point given his 30 championships, King of the Ring win, the ladder matches, and his rise to main event heel in 04.

Also, I love when they do a list of 50 and still have to put a tie in there.
 
I've been watching old NWA wrestling from the late 80s half the day.... I miss wrestling so much.

We Watched:
The Great American Bash 1987
Clash of Champions I (March 1988)
The Great American Bash 1989

The quality was shitty (old tapes, SLP setting being the culprits) but It was nice to see this again. I may start hitting some thrift stores and pawn shops looking for old NWA tapes and a VCR. :)
 
In regards to my Eddie question:

I am in no way saying he wasn't talent, but above Jericho or Flair took me by surprise.
 
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[quote name='diddy310']It's kind of hard to leave Edge out of those lists at this point given his 30 championships, King of the Ring win, the ladder matches, and his rise to main event heel in 04.

Also, I love when they do a list of 50 and still have to put a tie in there.[/QUOTE]


Good point, Diddy. My opinion of Edge has changed over the last many years. Sorta seems like he's in cruise control, with no real direction. His recent feud with Kane has been pretty entertaining, though.

[quote name='OnyxPrimal']I've been watching old NWA wrestling from the late 80s half the day.... I miss wrestling so much.

We Watched:
The Great American Bash 1987
Clash of Champions I (March 1988)
The Great American Bash 1989

The quality was shitty (old tapes, SLP setting being the culprits) but It was nice to see this again. I may start hitting some thrift stores and pawn shops looking for old NWA tapes and a VCR. :)[/QUOTE]


That's a great list of events. :) I especially like the first Clash of the Champions. That's a great card.

[quote name='cdubb1605']In regards to my Eddie question:

I am in no way saying he wasn't talent, but above Jericho or Flair took me by surprise.[/QUOTE]


If Chris Jericho were still a huge-over babyface he'd be near Eddie's place on the list (if not higher). I think the order matters less than the names appearing on the list.

I'm a huge fan, but still fairly surprised that Jake Roberts made the list. I figured Jake's personal problems would disqualify him in WWE's eyes.
 
I never really liked Edge or Batista.. I figured the only reason they got the strap as many times as they did was cuz there was no one else to really put it on. How many times can you put the belt on Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, or John Cena? On second thought....
 
[quote name='Chase']Good point, Diddy. My opinion of Edge has changed over the last many years. Sorta seems like he's in cruise control, with no real direction. His recent feud with Kane has been pretty entertaining, though.
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I blame immediately turning him heel even though he was pretty over (he had the crowd chanting for the weakest spear in the world!) They had the great buildup with him returning at the Royal Rumble, winning and going on to Wrestlemania to face his old tag partner. Then he loses and all of the momentum is gone.
 
[quote name='diddy310']I blame immediately turning him heel even though he was pretty over (he had the crowd chanting for the weakest spear in the world!) They had the great buildup with him returning at the Royal Rumble, winning and going on to Wrestlemania to face his old tag partner. Then he loses and all of the momentum is gone.[/QUOTE]

I'd imagine you can get that crowd to chant for just about anything, sadly. Honestly, I have to disagree with you here, since I really didn't get the sense that his face turn worked at all. It was a weird thing, really, as the crowd generally gets behind the returning wrestler no matter what, especially when it's someone with a tenure as long as Edge's. Problem is, no one seemed to be behind him at all. In fact, you mention that his momentum was killed when he lost, but I'd argue that he was intended to go over at WM, but the lukewarm face reception he'd been getting caused them to switch it to Jericho.

I was never very sure who to blame with that. Edge is great, even though he's gotten fairly boring. Jericho is always top-notch. You had a Royal Rumble winner returning from injury. You have the revenge story. You have the World Title. Still... it was a huge pile of 'meh'.

If anything, I think it had something to do with the fact that there was little reason for Edge to go after Jericho. They were partners, but for a very limited amount of time. JeriShow got over so huge that I'd imagine most people didn't even remember how Jericho got the titles in the first place. Had it been a team that was well established, it may have worked better.

More importantly, Edge had no reason to turn face. For a guy that was firmly heel for years, he came back as a good guy. I just don't think the crowd bought it.

Sorry, this was way off the point you were making, but that build-up really bothered me, so this was an opportunity to get it out there.



Anyway, on the subject of Edge... he's getting more tolerable, but I think that he needs a 'serious Jericho' style shake-up to get people interested again. Not the same thing, obviously, but that same level of change.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']I never really liked Edge or Batista.. I figured the only reason they got the strap as many times as they did was cuz there was no one else to really put it on. How many times can you put the belt on Undertaker, Triple H, or John Cena? On second thought....[/QUOTE]

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I ran into D'Angelo Dinero at Best Buy today. He's in town for a couple of shows this weekend. We talked for a minute or two and he went on his way. Seems like a nice enough guy.
 
Edge bores the living fuck out of me. Raven used to (rightfully?) be accused of phoning it in whenever he wasn't getting a push, and it seemed evident in the quality of his matches.

Edge has used up his rollover minutes for sure, and continues to remain in the main event picture.
 
Finally watched Smackdown this morning. Kofi vs Del Rio was pretty good and I enjoyed Ziggler vs MVP. MVP... man what a waste. Don't get me wrong.. Ziggler really couldn't afford to loose considering he had just dropped 3 straight to Daniel Bryan, but MVP is being wasted.
 
I don't know what I'd do with MVP myself.He's been given some chances to get over but I don't know, he just doesn't seem to click.He had some good matches with Chris Benoit when they were feuding but for whatever reason they seem to fall flat with the crowd for the most part.With him being 37 though I can see why hes being sadly pushed around for the younger talent.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']I don't know what I'd do with MVP myself.He's been given some chances to get over but I don't know, he just doesn't seem to click.He had some good matches with Chris Benoit when they were feuding but for whatever reason they seem to fall flat with the crowd for the most part.With him being 37 though I can see why hes being sadly pushed around for the younger talent.[/QUOTE]

I really enjoyed the MVP/Benoit matches, hell I even enjoyed the Hardy/MVP stuff despite the fact the feud went on so long due to a string of injuries Matt had. MVP just seems to be the guy they can never fully commit to pushing and his age obviously isn't helping anything either.
 
[quote name='007']I'd imagine you can get that crowd to chant for just about anything, sadly. Honestly, I have to disagree with you here, since I really didn't get the sense that his face turn worked at all. It was a weird thing, really, as the crowd generally gets behind the returning wrestler no matter what, especially when it's someone with a tenure as long as Edge's. Problem is, no one seemed to be behind him at all. In fact, you mention that his momentum was killed when he lost, but I'd argue that he was intended to go over at WM, but the lukewarm face reception he'd been getting caused them to switch it to Jericho.

I was never very sure who to blame with that. Edge is great, even though he's gotten fairly boring. Jericho is always top-notch. You had a Royal Rumble winner returning from injury. You have the revenge story. You have the World Title. Still... it was a huge pile of 'meh'.

If anything, I think it had something to do with the fact that there was little reason for Edge to go after Jericho. They were partners, but for a very limited amount of time. JeriShow got over so huge that I'd imagine most people didn't even remember how Jericho got the titles in the first place. Had it been a team that was well established, it may have worked better.

More importantly, Edge had no reason to turn face. For a guy that was firmly heel for years, he came back as a good guy. I just don't think the crowd bought it.

Sorry, this was way off the point you were making, but that build-up really bothered me, so this was an opportunity to get it out there.



Anyway, on the subject of Edge... he's getting more tolerable, but I think that he needs a 'serious Jericho' style shake-up to get people interested again. Not the same thing, obviously, but that same level of change.[/QUOTE]

I agree it wasn't the greatest face push, but still there was no reason for him to not win that belt at Mania - he could have dropped it to Swagger just as well as Jericho did, and it could have led to a feud between the two without Edge ever having to go over to Raw and flounder.

His entire Raw run seemed pretty useless up until the last week when they set up an interesting feud with Miz that never happened because he was traded.
 
There's a REASON why more and more and more folks are (rightfully) complaining about WWE shows SUCKING (when they over-promote and over-push...overrated guys like Miz and Sheamus (NEITHER of whom are bringing in ANY ratings whatsoever, yet are actually LOSING fans as the ratings continue to tumble on average)....this PG crap that makes the product/feuds/matches even more UNbelievable...WWE's idiotic writers (AND idiotic, messed-up, clueless owner) who abandon and insult history, evading the logic behind many of today's storylines.....their mistreatment of their TRUE workers and wrestlers...among TONS of reasons.

Face it, WWE SUCKS ASS right now and no amount of criticism against any of their rival promotions can change that fact. (TNA actually is keeping MY REAL interest with their angles, unlike WWE Raw...can't even remember sitting through an entire Raw in years now). TNA's pushing many guys like Pope, Mr. Anderson, Matt Morgan, etc.and their use of the "older" guys is VERY clever, and is in a tight faction feud (something WWE can NEVER get right..the way to EFFECTIVELY PUSH and USE factions to plateau guys properly, as Evolution AND Legacy were both BOOOOOORRRRRRING! Give me EV2, Fourtune..and even older TNA factions like the New Church, Team Canada, and the Main Event Mafia..all day long!)
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I love how LOP allows fans to post comments from facebook like this gem right here.

Laugh with me if you will
 
TEAM CANADA!? For goodness sake - it was a fine way to give mid-level guys something to do, but D'Amore was way too annoying for me to enjoy the group as a whole. Plus, it gave us the beginning of EY as a comedy act that TNA has run into the ground for the better part of half a decade now.
 
TNA builds angles?The Miz is just awesome,hard to complain about him.Hes pretty over with the crowds,just needs that one little shuve to become a main eventer.EV2 is just more WWE leftovers already all fired except Tommy.Ratings are always expected to drop when making stars,at least the WWE is on their way towards making new ones instead of being a retirement home.
 
If that guy were to type to me right now...I'd close his chat window

If he were in my house...he'd have to leave

If he was my mechanic...I'd stay quiet....but while signing my name on the bill, I'd tell him in such simple words on the receipt...

"Your 'fan-ness' makes veals march to the slaughterhouse"
 
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