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After a couple minutes of thought, I think Delaney can be an awesome heel who gets wins due to Henry's interference, like heel Spike with the Dudley Boyz a few years back.
 
Some amusing WON excerpts -
292. "Gene Okerlund on the Hotline called Anthony Valenti and Sean O'Shea (the government prosecutors in the Titan investigation) "clowns" and "government henchmen" which seems a wise move given the company he's working for is a sitting duck for the same kind of investigation. He said he'd love to be a character witness for Vince and that Vince was completely innocent of everything and that the government has no case. The last time I remember Gene as a character witness it was for Ken Patera and it sure did Patera a lot of good." - (WON 1993-12-06)

293. "The London Daily Mirror tabloid ran a feature with errors such as a photo of Bret Hart labeled "Macho Man Randy Savage" and listing Andre the Giant and Sgt. Slaughter as among current stars of the WWF." - (WON 1993-12-06)

294. "Literally nobody could explain the tag team tournament as it was set up originally. In all seriousness, if they just did a reality show on the TNA booking meetings and they encouraged people in the company to say what they really think at the production meetings when the ideas are discussed, it would be better than most of their television shows." - (WON 2008-04-28)

295. "So [Jim Cornette] went backstage and saw Eric Young, who complained that he missed seeing Super Eric again. Like all good superheroes, even when they figure out your identity, you deny to the end. Sort of like when they find syringes and steroids in your home and you say it was for injury rehabilitation." - (WON 2008-04-28)

296. "In here there was also a loud commotion in the women's dressing room. That was beyond stupid to show even on a show that admits it's stupid. If you're watching a movie, they don't show you backstage where the hero and villain are sharing the same dressing room inserted in the movie itself." - (WON 2008-04-28)

297. "At about this time, Kurt, the badass who had what they were trying to put over as one of the great matches in company history [vs. Joe], was now crying because now that he's no longer world champion, he doesn't have his own dressing room. The door was locked to his dressing room and Borash said that since he's no longer champ, they turned it into a storage closet." - (WON 2008-04-28)

298. "The show opened with Morgan attacking Kip. Morgan said "two down, three to go." I'm sure it'll be explained some time. Then again, I was sure that mysterious that attck on Pacman Jons would be explained sometime." - (WON 2008-05-05)

299. "Booker came out and called out Sting. Booker talked about how they were together when WCW crumbled. Like we need a weekly reminder of 2001. Don't you ever wish people in charge of writing wrestling shows went to therapy instead of taking their issues out on us?" - (WON 2008-05-05)

300. "Then we had Joe & Nash training together. Apparently all those weeks where they successfully built up Joe by training with Marcus Davis were a dream, since they indicated Nash has been training him all along." - (WON 2008-05-05)

301. "You know the Peter Principle in business (everyone gets promoted until they reach a job that they aren't equipped for) and Murphy's Law (everything that can go wrong, will go wrong). Well, we should add the TNA Principle (spend years going in a direction that's unsuccessful, suddenly and inadvertently stumble into something that works, and then the next week go back to what hasn't worked)." - (WON 2008-05-05)

302. "ODB talked about [Sky and Love's] "big fake funbags." That's the pothead calling the cattle black, or whatever that old saying is." - (WON 2008-05-12)

303. "Impact notes for the 5/1 show: I thought [it was] a good show. There was probably too much, but the wrestling was largely good and the matches were given a little more time, and there was almost none of the really stupid stuff they've bcome known for. [...] Styles went to ask Nash to be his partner. Borash told him he'd better knock because it was Nash, giving the idea that Nash ws probably in there with a woman. I guess Nash in theory had the chance to have sex in his dressing room or watch Impact as it was going on. At least the man has his priorities straight. Well, they showed up, and he was with Christy Hemme. Styles didn't get it and asked him to be his partner in the tournament saying how Nash is all about money and the tag titles are money belts. Nash said the real money is being world heavyweight champion. Yes, he blew off holding the tag titles because they don't mean much money. Come to think of it, there were more stupid segments than I thought." - (WON 2008-05-12)

304. "Steiner did one of the funniest interviews of the year. I don't know who scriped it, but it was a spoof on those cable TV ad graph commercials. Steiner said he had a 33% chance of winning since it's a three way, but then said since he's genetically gifted and Joe isn't, Joe's odds go down to 25%, and then his odds increase because Angle can't beat him and won't even try. He then threw out a bunch of numbers. What made it great was Steiner was clearly botching the script left and right and forgetting words, but in the end, he said he had a 114% chance of winning." - (WON 2008-05-12)

305. "Kennedy talked about HHH, claiming that HHH wrestled for more than 15:00 after tearing his quad on more than one occasion. HHH did gut his way through finishes twice, most famous in the 2001 San Jose match where Jericho & Benoit beat HHH & Austin in what was one of the greatest Raw matches of all-time, but he was hardly out there anywhere close to that length of time either time. But Kennedy will probably some day be telling his grandkids about the night HHH worked a 60 minute broadway the day after tearing his quad." - (WON 2008-05-12)

306. "[Penny Banner] debuted on July 10, 1954, a month before her 205th birthday." - (WON 2008-05-19)

307. "Apparently Jonny Fairplay must have felt his talks with TNA were dead, because hen he was [on] Opie & Anthony over the weekend, he said TNA was like going to the opera. You won't understand any of it, and at the end, you'll be crying." - (WON 2008-05-19)

308. "[Kip James] was wearing these tight shorts and Jeremy Borash was staring at his crotch and he was pointing it out. On the back of those tights he should have it read, "I used to be a star, honest."" - (WON 2008-05-19)

309. "Jericho came out for a interview where he apologized to Michaels for his actions in recent weeks in doubting his injury, but he's now realized he was wrong after last week and Michaels is really hurt. That's with them showing over-and-over the clips of Michaels selling the wrong leg." - (WON 2008-05-19)

310. "Cade came out all happy that they won and asked the audience if they wanted to hear [Murdoch] sing. You could tell by how it was done that they expected people would cheer, but instead, almost everyone booed. JR & Lawler had to explain to the audience at home that yes, you are supposed to want to hear Murdoch sing. So Murdoch sang "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers decently enough, and got heavily booed for his trouble." - (WON 2008-05-19)
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James Storm's "Sorry 'bout Yo' Damn Luck!" theme -
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nx9vr3

Angle's TNA rap theme -
http://www.sendspace.com/file/yrth8u

Black Machismo's theme -
http://www.sendspace.com/file/s5vm6k

ROH-filled RAR file with some Punk and Joe stuff.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pqt83r
 
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Fantastic suicide dive.

- edit Same with those kicks.

- edit 2 Are you fucking kidding me? They end a great match and their chance to really legitimize Punk like that?
 
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Hey WWE.....this is a world title match. Quit using it as an excuse to advance Kane. Use it to advance Punk, damn it. The match was good up until Kane came out.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Lame ending.[/QUOTE]

Made even worse by Cole burying Punk afterwards.

"I'm sure that Batista had that match won before Kane came out"

Great way to make your champion look weak as fuck on his first PPV defense and undermine the entire match.
 
So, after JBL set a car on fire with Cena in it and Cena spearing a car with a forklift, this ends with Cena falling on the windshield and a pinfall?

Retarded...soon to be wrestlecrap history
 
[quote name='RawisJericho']http://xtreams.webs.com/channel1.html

This stream is a lot better than the one on justin.tv if you guys are using that one.[/quote]


sorry, came late to the show. thanks for the hookup sir. edge v. hhh is about to start, can someone give me a full run down on the card thusfar?
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']sorry, came late to the show. thanks for the hookup sir. edge v. hhh is about to start, can someone give me a full run down on the card thusfar?[/QUOTE]

Shelton Benjamin = New US Champ
HBK vs Jericho = Jericho TKOed HBK.
Michelle McTaker = Diva's Champ
Hawkins/Ryder = New Tag Champs
Mark Henry retained ECW title, Colin turned against Tommy Dreamer
Punk vs Batistia = double DQ
JBL vs Cena - Parking Lot Brawl = JBL won, Wrestlecrap "match."
 
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[quote name='Demolition Man']Shelton Benjamin = New US Champ
HBK vs Jericho = Jericho TKOed HBK.
Michelle McTaker = Diva's Champ
Hawkins/Ryder = New Tag Champs
Mark Henry retained ECW title, Colin turned against Tommy Dreamer
Punk vs Batistia = double DQ
JBL vs Cena - Parking Lot Brawl = JBL won, Wrestlecrap "match."[/quote]

RNN updates and a card review. its not beckham FTW... ITS DEMOMAN FTW BITCHES
 
Despite how un-real Cena vs. JBL was, it was a very entertaining "match", people need to calm down and enjoy it for what it's worth.

I do see it getting inducted into WrestleCrap though.

Otherwise, the rest of the PPV seemed really good, I got to see it for free, but I would have gladly paid to see this one - except for Miz & Morrison losing, because Hawkins and Ryder are useless, and don't deserve crap.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']I was out seeing Dark Knight. Did I miss anything worthwhile?[/QUOTE]

My results above a few posts pretty much tell all..... minus that Hunter beat Edge of course. Not that we didn't see that several long miles away.

And as far as Cena vs JBL... yeah if you watch it the same way you watch an Road Runner cartoon then yeah its entertaining. The WWE should of inserted some cartoon effects to this however. ;)
 
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[quote name='Demolition Man']My results above a few posts pretty much tell all..... minus that Hunter beat Edge of course. Not that we didn't see that several long miles away.

And as far as Cena vs JBL... yeah if you watch it the same way you watch a Road Runner cartoon then yeah its entertaining. The WWE should of inserted some cartoon effects to this however. ;)[/QUOTE]

Like I said, it was very unreal, but it had alot of nice spots, including the car-door and one of the car-window spots. The car on fire also looked nice, but also defied the laws of physics.

As far as a wrestling match, absolutely horrible.. but for a gimmick match, it wasn't bad at all, despite how campy and unreal it was, especially Super Cena and the invincible car - and then JBL's armour-plated Cadillac (it's quite clear that JBL planned ahead and installed a coating of unbreakable armour on that car).
 
Well, that was fun.
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Too bad Edge didn't win. :cry:
 
Well, I figured Punk couldn't possibly get a clean win over Batista, I just didn't know how he wouldn't get it. Sounds like we've got all the makings of a transitional champion on our hands.
 
I thought the Bash was a good show with some fantastic storytelling in the form of HBK-Jericho, some exciting title changes with the SD tag straps and U.S. title going to guys who've never held those belts before, and some wonky booking (like the world title match ending via a screwjob finish, which works at giving Kane a shot in a 3-way at Summerslam, but hurt Punk quite a bit since a win here would show that he deserves the belt.

I'm guessing that they'll have him win at Summerslam to tell that part of the story, but it would've been nice to see it done here, as Kane could've still found a way into the world title picture at Summerslam without doing this finish.

Okay, time to get back on track - Shelton vs. Matt was a fine, if forgettable match. I loved Mick stating once again that Shelton is Dewey's favorite, and then adding tonight the emphasis on Dewey seeing all the biggest names in WWE and still feeling that Shelton is the belt because he does things that no one else can do - it fits into WWE stating that about him and adds a layer of credibility to that by having Mick deliver the statement and relating it to his family.

The match itself had a slow start, but picked up fairly quickly. I loved the finish with Shelton jamming his knee into the part of the body affected by Paydirt - the face, although I think having him follow up the turnbuckle powerbomb with the Paydirt would've worked as a better highlight reel-style ending, this one worked fine as well. Plus, the turnbuckle powerbomb happened too early in the match for that to really work as the finish without upsetting the crowd.

HBK-Jericho was fantastic, with easily the best storytelling of the night. It was all about survival for HBK while Jericho was out to dominate - HBK's desperation began with the ribs tonight, leading to an early execution of the HBK leglock in an effort to end the match as quickly as possible to preserve his health, and then continued into him trying to protect his sight after the snap elbow split it open. Normally, HBK going for the leglock too early would've bugged me, but it worked for this match as it furthered the story along.

The ECW Title match wasn't horrid, but it wasn't good, and aside from Delaney getting some scattered boos recently, and perhaps to further the idea that Mark Henry's getting a bandwagon behind him (with a has-been and a jobber in it - what a cool group that is), I can't imagine what real purpose this serves other than either that or just giving Delaney something new to do besides get killed on TV.

The tag title match was okay - nothing memorable or special in it, although I liked the ending with...one of the Edge dudes pulling Jesse off the top, leading to a massive, spectacular-looking bump en route to the title change. Miz and Morrison are above the belts, and they didn't lose the fall, so I don't mind them dropping the gold here, and this gives Hawkins and Ryder something to do once their role in the Edge-Vickie storyline runs its course.

The eye work tonight was great, with Cade's cheap shot to the face looking fantastic (especially on the replay, as the first angle made it seem like he's missed by a mile), and I especially loved the part where the ref asked Shawn if he wanted to give up, Jericho said "He said no, didn't he?" and he just walloped Shawn right in the face with a kick - fantastic. I absolutely loved this spot, and it was my favorite part of the match from a character standpoint. HBK's desperation continued after this as he used the crossface, failed to win, and ended up getting his arms locked up by Jericho and punched in the face repeatedly. Not only did I love this because it was a unique spot, but it also looked vicious thanks to all the blood and intense punching by Jericho and made for a satisfying conclusion to the match.

The post-match stuff with HBK needing to be helped out by multiple men couldn't have gone better, as they cut to a few crowd shots of women looking concerned for his safety, and it was followed up (after the divas title match) with Jericho coming out and stating that the fans should preserve their ticket stubs for posterity because they have seen the final match of HBK, proving that good can sometimes triumph over evil and lead to the wicked being punished. Excellent, excellent stuff in every regard by Jericho, as it made the made seem important and even managed to get over ticket stubs as a significant object on a wrestling show for the first time in forever.

The divas title match itself was okay, like the U.S. title match, it was mostly forgettable, but not as good a match as that one. I did like the Mexican surfboard/surfboard variant spot by Natalya, but didn't like Michelle lasting so long in the sharpshooter, or Natalyla lasting so long in the heel hook - the latter at least fit the story Mick told of that move finishing off everyone else quickly, with the implication being that Natalyla is much, much tougher than everyone else to have lasted that long in the hold.

Punk-Batista was a good match that worked at establishing that Punk could both avoid and counter Batista's biggest attacks, and allowed him to break out stuff that isn't normally seen (like the over-the-rope armbar). It was easily the best Punk title defense yet, but I thought it was hurt by the finish, which worked at advancing the storyline of Punk being a fluke champion, and further worked to rebuild Kane as a credible threat to the World title, but the match was just starting to click when the finish happened, and I would've preferred a clean win here to further cement Punk as a credible champion.

I can see why folks wouldn't mind this finish, as it did advance some storylines and gave them more things to do with the world title feud(s), but it left me wanting to see another Batista-Punk match for the wrong reason - a decisive finish that could've been delivered here. I hope it's just part of the company's longer-term plan with these storylines, because right now, it felt like a bit of a copout - if they do things correctly after this, I'll cut them some slack on it.

The parking lot brawl between Cena and JBL was certainly a spectacle. It was a bit too theatrical at times (the fire spot was particularly needless, as it led to Cena just coughing due to the fire extinguishers - something that could've been done without the fire), and I question of the wisdom of having a guy with a horrible back take bumps on both steel cars and the rampway (and for that matter, having a guy with a previously torn pec muscle lift up a giant steel drum). The basic brawling stuff in this match was just fine, aside from Cena's poor-looking punches, as his kicks looked okay, and JBL's punches were fantastic.

The lifting of the car to the ringside area was a bit too contrived (especially with Cena making sure to grimace numerous times in a wacky manner instead of, you know, just DESTROYING THE MAN WHO TRIED TO KILL HIM six days before), but was a smart move overall because it allowed the crowd to not feel completely cheated by watching the match on-screen. They at least got to see the conclusion, which wasn't particularly memorable aside from the final bump from Cena off the stage into the windshield. It was a great bump, and the most visually-impressive one of the match.

To me, the theatrical parts of this came off as a way to give Yuke's new ideas for SvR '09's parking lot brawl mode, and took away from the match at times, but it at least served the purpose of FINALLY giving JBL a win over Cena, and did so in a satisfying manner. This wasn't as good as the Regal-Finlay parking lot brawl on Nitro, or even as good as Cena-Eddie from SD, but it also wasn't the worst example of this match type, although it was the most unrealistic one that I can recall.

The main event had the potential to be a classic given the men involved, but ended up being like the other title matches on this show - a perfectly fine match that didn't have much wrong with it, but also wasn't particularly memorable (although this one at least had a memorable ending). Given how insignificant this match felt before this Friday's SD, I wasn't expecting a title change, but I was expecting a better match. The ending at least opened up a rematch thanks to Edge being distracted, but it took away from the wrestling-heavy match we'd seen.

I've seen people state that the ending, with Edge seemingly intending to spear Alicia Fox makes no sense, but to me, it does make sense, as he seemingly wants to make things up to Vickie (who has all the power on SD), and spearing Fox would at least give him something to cite as proof that he loves Vickie and not Alicia. The ending kind of overshadowed the match itself, which is in keeping with the build-up to it, which really didn't involve HHH in a major role until two days ago.

I'd say this was a show worth watching just for the fantastic HBK-Jericho match, with the rest of the card (aside from the ECW Title match) being full of stuff that was good-ish, but not great, and it was a show that advanced some key storylines in a significant way. I think it's worth watching once, but I don't think anything other than HBK-Jericho would hold up well upon future viewing.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']Botchamania 49 proves Canadians are strange bunch:[/QUOTE]
The fan on JBL's limo made me roar. :rofl:
 
[quote name='Scorch']That first Triple H shot is amazing. The second one is okay, but that first one is fucking awesome.[/QUOTE]

I agree, the Edge shot is very nice too... and you win at life for those shots of Michelle McCool.
 
Wonder where those WWF production tape bloopers from the mid-late 80's are coming from on those botch videos. They've been throwing those in there for a while now.
 
Crazy Pycho Y2J is awesome. They need to throw him in the world HVT scene and have him win it ASAP.

They could even have it were they pull HBK off TV, because of the detached retina, have Y2J win the World title, then have HBK come back and say through the power of Christ (or whatever) he managed to heal up and come back and feud with Y2J over the World strap.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Wonder where those WWF production tape bloopers from the mid-late 80's are coming from on those botch videos. They've been throwing those in there for a while now.[/quote]

I wonder where most of that stuff comes from. That guy must be a HUGE wrestling fan, with either terabytes of data or tapes stacked up to the ceiling.
 
[quote name='GTzerO']I wonder where most of that stuff comes from. That guy must be a HUGE wrestling fan, with either terabytes of data or tapes stacked up to the ceiling.[/QUOTE]

An number of clips are provided to him by other YouTube members. He's had HUGE lists giving credit to many people for various botch clips.
 
Oh, well then. Youtube must be a HUGE wrestling fan, with either terabytes of data or tapes stacked to the ceiling.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']An number of clips are provided to him by other YouTube members. He's had HUGE lists giving credit to many people for various botch clips.[/QUOTE]

I know, I mean whoever has the originals of those production tapes. It's not like WWE/F gives out or sells their masters, and I doubt a WWE employee is leaking them to the internet. I suppose it's possible the stuff they didn't use was discarded and a former employee grabbed them, but that's about all I can come up with.
 
Botchamania is the best 10minutes on the internet!

Sounds like GAB was a pretty good show. I'll have to check it out sometime.

The RAW preview on wwe.com says they're going to repeat last week's main even with CTC vs JBL/Rhodes/Dibiase which might actually get me to tune in.
 
Jericho as a sinister heel is really adding credibility and heat for an eventual World title push. And really, if they don't give him a World title run after this story with Shawn Michaels, I will be angered, as they have really built him up as a credible, powerful heel. Plus, while he has always been good on the mic, his promos have matured. Solid work from a previously really underutilized talent.
 
Agreed. This is the first time I have cared about Jericho since about February. I was ecstatic to see him return, but he cooled off really quickly.

In an ideal world, Jericho would win the World Championship and Cade would win the IC Title, both around Survivor Series or so. No sooner, though, especially with the World Title.
 
Kelly Kelly is useless. Shit, it's not like she's going to pop out of the screen and give me a handjob. Her only use is as fodder for actual talent.
 
[quote name='chasemurata']Kelly Kelly is useless. Shit, it's not like she's going to pop out of the screen and give me a handjob. Her only use is as fodder for actual talent.[/QUOTE]

Really? She's been improving leaps and bounds since being brought in. In 3 or 4 years, she could be something special.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Agreed. This is the first time I have cared about Jericho since about February. I was ecstatic to see him return, but he cooled off really quickly.

In an ideal world, Jericho would win the World Championship and Cade would win the IC Title, both around Survivor Series or so. No sooner, though, especially with the World Title.[/quote]

Yes. Initially, I was really disappointed how WWE handled Jericho's return. This story with Shawn Michaels just about makes up for their earlier mishandle.

And I absolutely agree with your Jericho and Cade ideals. To me, Cade started off as Jericho's sidekick. In the last few weeks, he's moved up to being Jericho's enforcer. My only complaint is that he seems confused about his look. Since Jericho's sporting the gruff, I think Cade should sport a Caesar with mutton chops. :cool:
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Really? She's been improving leaps and bounds since being brought in. In 3 or 4 years, she could be something special.[/quote]

She'll peak at a very low height, like Candice Michelle.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Argh, I forgot it was even on.

What's happened?[/QUOTE]

Batista came out, put himself in charge, demanded a title shot. JBL appeared on the Titantron, disputed his power, said he deserved a shot. Punk came out, JBL was muted, batista and Punk set up a match for tonight.

Cade cut a promo on HBK, beat Paul London, then Jericho came out and cut a promo. Then came the women's match.

[quote name='chasemurata']Kelly Kelly is useless. Shit, it's not like she's going to pop out of the screen and give me a handjob. Her only use is as fodder for actual talent.[/QUOTE]

I agree with Sporadic. Kelly is like Candice. She has improved a ton.

EDIT: And I have a much higehr opinion of Candice than you do.
 
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