The New York Times rails on the PS3

I think it's bullshit and I hate the PS3.

"innovative and powerful Xbox 360"

What's innovative about the 360? Anyone?
 
[quote name='David85']I think it's bullshit and I hate the PS3.

"innovative and powerful Xbox 360"

What's innovative about the 360? Anyone?[/QUOTE]

It's white instead of black.
 
Sadly for Sony, the best way to explain how the PlayStation 3 falls short is to explain how different it is to use than its main competition, Xbox 360. When I reviewed the 360 last year, I wrote: “Twelve minutes after opening the box, I had created my nickname, was in a game of Quake 4 and thought, ‘This can’t be this easy.’ ”

I never felt that way using the PlayStation 3. With the PS3, 12 minutes after opening the box I realized that Sony inexplicably does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television. Keep in mind that one of Sony’s main selling points has been that the PS3 plays Blu-Ray high-definition movie discs. But high-definiton cables? Sold separately. The Xbox 360, by contrast, ships with one cable that can connect to either a standard or high-definition set.

Advantage - 360

Then, before you are even using the PS3, you have to connect the “wireless” controller to the base unit with a USB cable so they can recognize each other. If you bring your PS3 controller to a friend’s house, you’ll have to plug back in again. The 360’s wireless controllers are always just that, wireless.

Advantage - 360

If there is one thing one would expect Sony to get perfect, though, it would be music. Wrong. Sure, you can plug in your digital music player and the PS3 will play the tunes. But as soon as you go into a game, the music stops. By contrast, one of the things I’ve always enjoyed most on the Xbox 360 is being able to listen to my own music while playing Pebble Beach or driving my virtual Ferrari. Doesn’t seem too complicated, but the PS3 can’t do it.

Advantage - 360

In that sense it often feels as if the PlayStation 3 can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. In the PS3’s online store (which feels like a slow Web page) :lol: you can access movie trailers and trial versions of new games, but when you actually download the 600-megabyte files, you’ll be stuck watching a progress bar crawl across the screen for 20 or 40 minutes. Astonishingly, you can’t download in the background while you go do something that’s more fun (like play a game). On the Xbox 360, not only are files downloaded seamlessly in the background, but you can also shut off the machine, turn it on later, and the download will resume automatically.

The PS3’s whole online experience feels tacked-on and unpolished. On the Xbox 360 each user has a single unified friends list, so you can track your friends and communicate with them easily, no matter what game you are in. On the PlayStation 3 most games have their own separate friends list and some have no friends function at all. There is a master list as well, but in order to communicate with anyone on it, you have to quit the game you are playing.

Advantage - 360

the list of the PS3’s disappointments remains, from its undersupported voice chat to its maddening cellphone-like text messaging system. (In frustration I ended up plugging in a USB keyboard.) Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile.

Seems pretty clear to me
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Why is it lame to quote Chris Grant? I'm sick and tired of all the Joystiq hate around here.[/QUOTE]

b/c he told the truth instead of sewing his tongue into the back of Sony's y-fronts like a lot of other online press outlets
 
I thought the article was a waste of my time to read. It's just plan fanboyism and fails to mention the advantages PS3 has over 360 (such as more games that actually work for BC).

I own a 360 and I'd say it's only 1.5X better than PS3 currently (due to games) at the most.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']I thought the article was a waste of my time to read. It's just plan fanboyism and fails to mention the advantages PS3 has over 360 (such as more games that actually work for BC).

I own a 360 and I'd say it's only 1.5X better than PS3 currently (due to games) at the most.[/QUOTE]

you also failed to mention any advantages that ps3 has over 360 other than backwards compatibility

if there are so many, what are they?

just curious
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Sony Corp. said Tues. that the Playstation 3 will not run some titles from the Playstation 2 and Playstation due to backwards compatibility software issues.
The PS3 will drop to U.S. retail on Nov. 17. It was released in Japan on Nov. 11.

In select titles, sound does not play or menu screens will be scrambled.

Sony previously said that the PS3 would be backwards compatible with all PS2 and PSone games.

Initial reports estimate that about 200 PS2 and PSone titles are incompatible with the machine
http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=3354

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http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm
 
[quote name='David85']I think it's bullshit and I hate the PS3.

"innovative and powerful Xbox 360"

What's innovative about the 360? Anyone?[/quote]

XBOX Live, Achivements, Camera Support, upgradable HD-DVD player support, XBOX Live Dashboard....Its all good.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']XBOX Live, Achivements, Camera Support, upgradable HD-DVD player support, XBOX Live Dashboard....Its all good.[/QUOTE]

teh pwn
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']I thought the article was a waste of my time to read. It's just plan fanboyism and fails to mention the advantages PS3 has over 360 (such as more games that actually work for BC).

I own a 360 and I'd say it's only 1.5X better than PS3 currently (due to games) at the most.[/quote]

Also its an article for the NY Times, so if the reporter is going to take an anti-PS3 point of view its not necessary to state why the PS3 can be considered better than the Xbox 360. It's called an argumentive essay.

The articles does what its supposed to do, it states the reporters position and gives reasons why.
 
I think it’s pretty clear the PS3 is a rush job. It’s not nearly has finely tuned or has half the incredibly useful features as the Xbox 360 has.

This article is pretty spot on. The PS3, while certainly a bit more powerful and more advanced, doesn’t have the 360’s ease of use.

And I think using the XMB interface is a big mistake. Sony is trying to go with the simple, sleek look, but I think it just looks bad. On a PSP it doesn’t look so boring because it’s small. But on a huge tv like mine, I don’t think it will work.

I know time will ultimately tell if the PS3 will be a success or not, but from where we’re at right now, I just don’t see the PS3 overtaking the Xbox 360 in North America or Europe. Sure, we all know it’s going to kill it in Japan, but the PS2 still outsells the 360 over there.
 
The thing is with all this is that the 360 wasn't too finely tuned at launch either and neither was the ps2. For long time standability the PS3 is looking great.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']The thing is with all this is that the 360 wasn't too finely tuned at launch either and neither was the ps2. For long time standability the PS3 is looking great.[/quote]

What I got out of the article is that it seems like companies today can rush certain electronic products, have them connect to the internet and clean up any mess that should have been found and dealt with before they were sent out to the consumer. To me thats just plain BS. I wouldn't want to pay X amount of money for a product that didn't have all its bugs worked out before I went and bought it.

This becomes a slippery slope after awhile as more and more people buy into all this upgrading, who knows how serve a product may be and how much less a company wants to invest in R&D.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']I thought the article was a waste of my time to read. It's just plan fanboyism and fails to mention the advantages PS3 has over 360 (such as more games that actually work for BC).[/QUOTE]

Are you that fucking dumb?

I have a PS1 for $8 and a can get a new tiny PS2 for less than $100. Can you please explain to me why I should spent the extra $492?
 
I find the so-called "flaws" to be irrelevant.

"I can't play music through the console." So what? Use a separate ipod or stereo == achieves the same goal. (Heck I watch TV while I'm gaming.)

"I can't play games while downloading." So what? Go eat dinner instead or watch your dvd player.

These are luxuries not necessities and He comes off like a spoiled brat.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Why is it lame to quote Chris Grant? I'm sick and tired of all the Joystiq hate around here.[/QUOTE]

because he runs a shitty blog.

They should be going to a more credible source.
 
[quote name='fred_h_haddad']I find the so-called "flaws" to be irrelevant.

"I can't play music through the console." So what? Use a separate ipod or stereo == achieves the same goal. (Heck I watch TV while I'm gaming.)

"I can't play games while downloading." So what? Go eat dinner instead or watch your dvd player.

These are luxuries not necessities and He comes off like a spoiled brat.[/quote]

For $599 i think it is perfectly normal to expect these "luxuries".
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r'] Then, before you are even using the PS3, you have to connect the “wireless” controller to the base unit with a USB cable so they can recognize each other. If you bring your PS3 controller to a friend’s house, you’ll have to plug back in again. The 360’s wireless controllers are always just that, wireless.

Advantage - 360[/quote]
The 360 doesn't even come with the cable required to charge your controller. I'd say that one and the video cable one cancel each other out pretty well.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']because he runs a shitty blog.

They should be going to a more credible source.[/quote]

Yeah, like GamePro?

Joystiq is as good as any gaming news blogs out there.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']For $599 i think it is perfectly normal to expect these "luxuries".[/QUOTE]

Especially when the cheaper priced competition provides the luxuries in question.
 
[quote name='mik']The 360 doesn't even come with the cable required to charge your controller. I'd say that one and the video cable one cancel each other out pretty well.[/QUOTE]

It takes AA batteries. That is unless you buy the battery pack with which the charging cable is included.
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']Sadly for Sony, the best way to explain how the PlayStation 3 falls short is to explain how different it is to use than its main competition, Xbox 360. When I reviewed the 360 last year, I wrote: “Twelve minutes after opening the box, I had created my nickname, was in a game of Quake 4 and thought, ‘This can’t be this easy.’ ”

I never felt that way using the PlayStation 3. With the PS3, 12 minutes after opening the box I realized that Sony inexplicably does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television. Keep in mind that one of Sony’s main selling points has been that the PS3 plays Blu-Ray high-definition movie discs. But high-definiton cables? Sold separately. The Xbox 360, by contrast, ships with one cable that can connect to either a standard or high-definition set.

Advantage - 360

Then, before you are even using the PS3, you have to connect the “wireless” controller to the base unit with a USB cable so they can recognize each other. If you bring your PS3 controller to a friend’s house, you’ll have to plug back in again. The 360’s wireless controllers are always just that, wireless.

Advantage - 360

If there is one thing one would expect Sony to get perfect, though, it would be music. Wrong. Sure, you can plug in your digital music player and the PS3 will play the tunes. But as soon as you go into a game, the music stops. By contrast, one of the things I’ve always enjoyed most on the Xbox 360 is being able to listen to my own music while playing Pebble Beach or driving my virtual Ferrari. Doesn’t seem too complicated, but the PS3 can’t do it.

Advantage - 360

In that sense it often feels as if the PlayStation 3 can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. In the PS3’s online store (which feels like a slow Web page) :lol: you can access movie trailers and trial versions of new games, but when you actually download the 600-megabyte files, you’ll be stuck watching a progress bar crawl across the screen for 20 or 40 minutes. Astonishingly, you can’t download in the background while you go do something that’s more fun (like play a game). On the Xbox 360, not only are files downloaded seamlessly in the background, but you can also shut off the machine, turn it on later, and the download will resume automatically.

The PS3’s whole online experience feels tacked-on and unpolished. On the Xbox 360 each user has a single unified friends list, so you can track your friends and communicate with them easily, no matter what game you are in. On the PlayStation 3 most games have their own separate friends list and some have no friends function at all. There is a master list as well, but in order to communicate with anyone on it, you have to quit the game you are playing.

Advantage - 360

the list of the PS3’s disappointments remains, from its undersupported voice chat to its maddening cellphone-like text messaging system. (In frustration I ended up plugging in a USB keyboard.) Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile.

Seems pretty clear to me[/QUOTE]

FTW, but you have a PS3, and your happy with it more power to you.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Yeah, like GamePro?

Joystiq is as good as any gaming news blogs out there.[/QUOTE]

Hell no, Gamepro is lame but at least they release a print magazine. However there are plenty of more credible sources (Ziff Davis or IGN) and yes you mentioned "blog" which is not "gaming news" so much as it is "blogging" or unprofessional journalism =p
 
[quote name='CitizenB']FTW, but you have a PS3, and your happy with it more power to you.[/QUOTE]

yeah i'm sure once more games hit, and some of those quirks are hopefully fixed with updates AND the price comes down... i might save up for one.

but the online is going to have to equal xbl or surpass it

otherwise, i'm not interested.
 
[quote name='fred_h_haddad']I find the so-called "flaws" to be irrelevant.

"I can't play music through the console." So what? Use a separate ipod or stereo == achieves the same goal. (Heck I watch TV while I'm gaming.)

"I can't play games while downloading." So what? Go eat dinner instead or watch your dvd player.

These are luxuries not necessities and He comes off like a spoiled brat.[/QUOTE]

You know why they are an issue? Because the PS3's cheaper direct competition offers those features. Personally, why would I want to have to turn on my stereo, or plug in my ipod or something to listen to music while gaming? Seems much easier to simply stream my nice organized music collection over my lan to my 360 at any time and listen to my music seamlessly as I game and have it automatically pause during cutscenes w/o me having to do anything so I can view cutscenes.

And did you do any downloading before they changed the way downloads on the 360s worked? I'm am going to sit down and play some games. Oh why don't I check what demos came out on the marketplace... bam an hour later that I wanted to be gaming, the demo I found is done and I was twidling my thumbs. M$ fixed that and you sure as hell should expect a $600, supposedly superior console to do it at launch. Owning a console to play vidoegames is a luxury, expecting them to do unique time saving and convenient things so you can game quicker should be expected.
 
[quote name='Sulik2'] Owning a console to play vidoegames is a luxury, expecting them to do unique time saving and convenient things so you can game quicker should be expected.[/QUOTE]

You do realize most people buy game consoles TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES. If you think playing games on console is a luxury the consoles provide, you have a strange way of thinking. Playing games is the point, the standard, everything else is luxury. I'm not saying certain luxuries can't be included but I just don't get that train of thought.
 
Alos I am the only one that finds it ironic that many people are citing things that 360 could not do at it's launch as comparison points. Like camera support, HD-DVD support, downloads while playing games, etc. The 360 has already had 2 rather large firmware ugrades to improve it alot, and both do/did things out of the box the other can't. I agree 360 is the better system now, but still the PS3 will no doubt improve in ways similar to how the 360 did.

Plus, this article is pretty crappy. It coming from a major journalism newspaper makes my cry a little inside. I'd not have such a probalem with it if it left out the numerous 360 panderings and just argued the fact the PS3 is not worth it all right now. In the end, I think people should buy whatever they want, it's their money let them spend it.
 
The one thing he griped about in the article that is trivial is how on the console startup or to initially sync a controller you need to connect it via usb cable. I think that's a really retarded gripe considering you will hardly ever have to do it unless

1) you first opened your console
2) you need to recharge the thing anyway
3) you somehow bring your controller to a friend's house

oh boo hoo................. It's no different than having to press the sync button on the 360.
 
I think it's fair to compare the here and now. Regardless of what the 360 may have had going for it, or against it, at it's launch... the point is right now for a couple hundred cheaper you can get a more established console that doesn't have the aforementioned flaws. I don't own a 360 or a ps3, so I'm just pointing that out.

As a side note someone mentioned a more extensive BC library for the ps3 (which someone else already pontificated on), but they failed to point out the ACTUAL library of games for the respective system. The one year head start sort of gives microsoft the upper hand there. Just some needless conjecture from someone who owns neither system, don't mind me.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']You do realize most people buy game consoles TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES. If you think playing games on console is a luxury the consoles provide, you have a strange way of thinking. Playing games is the point, the standard, everything else is luxury. I'm not saying certain luxuries can't be included but I just don't get that train of thought.[/QUOTE]

Upon rereading that sentence it really did not get across what I meant, as you pointed out. Was supposed to be more like: Owning a console is a luxury, expecting that console to streamline your experience so you can play games faster, more conveniently and with an experience you want (as in streaming music), should be expected from a luxury item.
 
the article is definitely skewed with the writer may be surrounded by 360 fans.
the ps3 has more power and in the long run it'll definitely show, just like how the xbox had better graphics than ps2 b/c it came out later.
all the things that are included, excluded in the box when you buy the consoles are so irrelevant. and the fact that the ps3 has built-in blue ray is huge, and don;t even argue about price at this point as i hate to repeat this but 360+hd=ps3 with built in bd!
 
The next gen blows entirely, companies had enough power last gen... they don't need anymore horsepower.

Wii is a ripoff, but at least it will be cheap for developers to actually try some new, possibly good ideas (forget motion sensing, I don't care about that just like I don't care about a second screen, as long as the games are good).
 
When I reviewed the 360 last year, I wrote: “Twelve minutes after opening the box, I had created my nickname, was in a game of Quake 4 and thought, ‘This can’t be this easy.’ ”

I never felt that way using the PlayStation 3.
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This is the quote of the article, for me.

Here's a developer's take on 360 vs PS3:
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm


Also, for whoever commented on the 360 lacking the controller charging cable... The controllers ship with AA batteries. It would be nice if the controllers shipped with the play and charge kit by default, but I prefer having easily removable battery packs, and the option to use AA's or switch back and forth, than having a mostly non-removable battery. Either way, you can play the system just fine without having to run out to the store and buy something, but with PS3, if you want HD, you pay extra.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']The next gen blows entirely, companies had enough power last gen... they don't need anymore horsepower.
[/QUOTE]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Why don't we just go back to using rocks for hunting and live in caves? Hey the fires back offered enough heat, we don't need no stinking heaters!
 
[quote name='Sulik2']why would I want to have to turn on my stereo, or plug in my ipod or something to listen to music while gaming? Seems much easier to simply stream my nice organized music collection over my lan to my 360 at any time and listen to my music seamlessly as I game.[/quote]
I guess? Such a small trivial thing would not stop me from buying a PS3 since I buy consoles for games not music (which I reserve for my car and commute to work.)

Also:
I like to watch TV while gaming. Should I boycott Next-gen consoles 'cause they don't have "picture in picture" support so I can kill soldiers & watch Heroes at the same time?
;)

I like Nintendo's philsophy best where they provide just great games w/o that other crap. (And eliminating pointless features I don't want or need (like music-streaming) helps keep the price cheap. $250 I can afford but not $400 or $600. Ouch.)
 
It's obvious some Microsoft persuasion was involved in the writing of this article. It comes off fishy. It's way to anti- Sony and too pro-Xbox. Spin is everything in the media and I'm sure Microsoft threw some money at this one. I see right through this article and question its true intentions.
 
[quote name='cardin411']It's obvious some Microsoft persuasion was involved in the writing of this article. It comes off fishy. It's way to anti- Sony and too pro-Xbox. Spin is everything in the media and I'm sure Microsoft threw some money at this one. I see right through this article and question its true intentions.[/quote]

you could say this about every article from every gaming magazine in the country which is why you read multiple views and make your own decision once you've seen multiple facets of the argument. Its the same way with regular media as it is with game news media never trust just one source. That being said I felt the article made some good points thing is "most" of those points are fixable with firmware updates and a little legwork on sony's part now whether they do that legwork to make themselves competitive in the areas they have deficencies is another issue entirely.

Fact is this plain and simple they could have had these issues resolved already with that extra year development that they had over the 360 but they chose to focus on blue ray manufacturing and getting that into market placement rather than focusing on the system itself. I don't think there is a person on this forum that would see it otherwise.

We all know this is the big mechanism they were going ot use to try to get blue ray in the market and we all should of known that the system itself was going to suffer for a time while they persued that goal. The fortunate thing about the way they made the system suffer is most of it is stuff that can be "easily fixed with firmware updatres"(should they chose to).

I do think it speaks volumes about Sony's focus at this point that the system came out as is because that article was right the system sounds "incomplete" as it stands right now in their rush to try to win the format wars and their justifiably going to suffer backlash from that accordingly for a time till they streamline a few things thats just my take on things at least.
 
The Wii also came with 70% of what it should have not included. I have no weather, no news, nothing special on Wii24, and there are a whole 8 games to download. I have to say that Sony isn't messing up as much as it's getting away with the same things everyone else is. Yeah, they have some updating to do, but lets see if any Sony updates brick the system (cough 360). What really is important is that Sony launched with crap. So did Xbox, mind you, but it was intentional. And the proof that Sony realized that they have nothing is the fact that they only shipped 200,000 consoles. They want to keep their promised launch and keep demand high, but they don't want everyone knowing that they kind of fucked up. Who really cares anyway, I thought gamers could get over this "my fuck is bigger than your fuck" console crap. Guess not.
 
[quote name='IXISIXI']The Wii also came with 70% of what it should have not included. I have no weather, no news, nothing special on Wii24, and there are a whole 8 games to download. I have to say that Sony isn't messing up as much as it's getting away with the same things everyone else is. Yeah, they have some updating to do, but lets see if any Sony updates brick the system (cough 360). What really is important is that Sony launched with crap. So did Xbox, mind you, but it was intentional. And the proof that Sony realized that they have nothing is the fact that they only shipped 200,000 consoles. They want to keep their promised launch and keep demand high, but they don't want everyone knowing that they kind of fucked up. Who really cares anyway, I thought gamers could get over this "my fuck is bigger than your fuck" console crap. Guess not.[/quote]

It will never end, unfortunately, as long as there are multiple consoles to choose from it will always be like this.
 
[quote name='phutu'] and don;t even argue about price at this point as i hate to repeat this but 360+hd=ps3 with built in bd![/quote]

The big difference in that for me is that the 360 HD-DVD add on is actually a good player. I'm going to buy a PS3 also but there is no way in hell I'm going to trust that blu-ray player. It's going to be DRE all over again and I'm not burning out my systems low quality BR drive to watch movies.
 
[quote name='maddfrog']It will never end, unfortunately, as long as there are multiple consoles to choose from it will always be like this.[/QUOTE]

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that's why you just get all of them =p. Console gaming when compared to PC gaming is nothing. A Console costs as much as or less than a state of the art video card and goes obsolete waaaaaaaaaaay less quickly. And when you don't concentrate hard on PC Gaming your costs go down quite a bit.

Life is too short to have loyalty to stupid companies or hardware. They're all out for the same thing, your damn money.
 
It's too early to know which console is best. Wait until christmas 2007 to see which has the most games/most variety, then we'll know.
 
[quote name='fred_h_haddad']It's too early to know which console is best. Wait until christmas 2007 to see which has the most games/most variety, then we'll know.[/QUOTE]

my crystal ball says otherwise.

The Gizmodo will plot with the Ngage and they well form the GIZAGAGE AND DOMINATE JOO ALL!
 
[quote name='Zoglog']
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that's why you just get all of them =p. Console gaming when compared to PC gaming is nothing. A Console costs as much as or less than a state of the art video card and goes obsolete waaaaaaaaaaay less quickly. And when you don't concentrate hard on PC Gaming your costs go down quite a bit.

Life is too short to have loyalty to stupid companies or hardware. They're all out for the same thing, your damn money.[/quote]

you my friend, are not a cheap ass gamer.
 
Two things:

1.) For better or worse, how many "Madden Meatheads" will ever read the New York Times, let alone read an instruction manual? They, sadly, are the group that will determine the 'winner' this generation, just like the last two (or three).

2.) It's a good thing Ziff-Davis doesn't own this newspaper. The review would've been retracted the next day.

To me, though, especially after everything I've read and heard about the PS3, if you still want one ASAP at this point when you could get a 360, like, yesterday, you are either an eBay hoarder with excessive expectations, a Sony loyalist through and through (a shame, really), a spoiled brat who's gotta have everything RIGHT NOW, or the aforementioned extremely casual and uninformed type who blindly thinks the PS3 will be tantamount to living in a cooler version of "The Matrix" and is at least 360 times more powerful than Microsoft's year-old system. And those people are out there, in greater numbers than I care to consider.
 
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