The "Night of Champions" Wrestling Thread

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Slappybob said:
Tonight's RAW shows how thin the roster really is. Not only are all 10 men who saved Daniel Bryan going to be in an elimination match against the shield, but the WWE has no other superstars to do other matches tonight so they will be pulling double duty.
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that and in the end it will be 1 vs 3 or some crap like that cause most of the men on the 10 team side will be hurt

 
JJSP said:
Strong Style Zen Davis
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I laughed.

Also I assume the double pin/dusty finish for Bryan/Orton at Battleground is inevitable. Not sure what they'll do for Survivor Series though. It would be the 15th anniversary of the last tournament.
 
JJSP said:
For what it's worth, I stopped posting primarily because I'm nearly exclusively posting from my phone and the new mobile interface is unbearable.

Even I can tell that Strong Style Zen Davis is annoying though.
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You try it in the past month or so? It is much better.
 
Can someone explain to me why only ONE member of the Prime Time Players is on WWE 2k14's full roster?  I makes no sense to only have one member of a tag team in the game.  Either have both guys, or don't have either.

 
Dumbass Michael Cole line of last night "Guys, if the Shield can beat RVD, they can beat ANYBODY!". fuck you Cole, why do you have  a job?

 
bhk said:
I laughed.

Also I assume the double pin/dusty finish for Bryan/Orton at Battleground is inevitable. Not sure what they'll do for Survivor Series though. It would be the 15th anniversary of the last tournament.
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like said a few pages back

ss main event will be

team bryan vs team orton

bryan will win when big show finally has enough and turns on orton team i say.

what ever became of shane

 
ZForce said:
Can someone explain to me why only ONE member of the Prime Time Players is on WWE 2k14's full roster? I makes no sense to only have one member of a tag team in the game. Either have both guys, or don't have either.
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It almost makes me wonder if WWE had plans on releasing Young before he announced he was gay.

 
Just watched Raw. The current crop of guys really needs to learn how to cut a promo.

It's the major difference between now and 10 years ago. Apart from Cena, HHH, Punk, and Bryan, there's nobody who can rally the crowd. The Dusty Rhodes promo last week was poetry in comparison to anything anyone on the current roster can pull off.

Also: calling it now. Golddust will turn on Cody and Dusty and join the Corporation 2.0, leading to a match at Wrestlemania 30.

 
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HeroToTheMasses said:
Also: calling it now. Goldust will turn on Cody and Dusty and join the Corporation 2.0, leading to a match at Survivor Series/TLC.
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Fixed.

We're too far off from Wrestlemania 30, and you and I both know they'd rather piss this match away on a minor PPV or Smackdown (if it were to ever happen).

 
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HeroToTheMasses said:
Just watched Raw. The current crop of guys really needs to learn how to cut a promo.

It's the major difference between now and 10 years ago. Apart from Cena, HHH, Punk, and Bryan, there's nobody who can rally the crowd. The Dusty Rhodes promo last week was poetry in comparison to anything anyone on the current roster can pull off.

Also: calling it now. Golddust will turn on Cody and Dusty and join the Corporation 2.0, leading to a match at Wrestlemania 30.
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i love how a dude with a gold and black face can jump over ringside and noone sees him coming :)

 
HydroX said:
Fixed.

We're too far off from Wrestlemania 30, and you and I both know they'd rather piss this match away on a minor PPV or Smackdown (if it were to ever happen).
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I hope they'll wait until the Survivor Series to do the turn where Goldust turns on his brother and costs his team the match. They can then do a long-winded Heyman/Punk type build that will come to a close at Wrestlemania 30 where the loser gets fired.

Bu you're right. There's too many PPVs in the way for them to put off the match for that long.

 
It appears TNA has let Anderson go. His profile isnt on the TNA website anymore.

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Also I was watching a WWE 2K14 roster analysis vid on youtube and Darren Young was definitely in there.

 
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Christian needs a second/different finisher, something that can come out of nowhere. The Spear did wonders for Edge's push.

Also, grow out the hair and start wearing goofy sunglasses again, damn it.

 
Dr. Venkman said:
Christian needs a second/different finisher, something that can come out of nowhere. The Spear did wonders for Edge's push.

Also, grow out the hair and start wearing goofy sunglasses again, damn it.
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Christian is done. WWE is clearing out all the attitude era guys and having them put over the new generation. Jericho's been like that for his last two or three runs. RVD is doing that now in getting Del Rio over.

 
Smackdown looks like it's going to have some Chikara levels of awesome in the forthcoming Santino match this Friday. It may end up coming across as stupid but I really hope not. Chikara used to be the funniest company in the world apart from maybe DDT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ETRC6UWZy6w

 
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Dr. Venkman said:
I can honestly see them giving the title to RVD at least one more time.
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I think the Big Gold Belt™ is the only belt RVD has not held while in the WWE.

(quick Google search says US Title as well)

I can definitely see him holding the US belt before his sendoff .. and even the Big Gold Belt™ isn't that big of a deal anymore, so I definitely agree with Venkman.

Wouldn't that make him the only man in WWE history to have held the WWE, ECW, and "World Heavyweight Championship" in the history of the biz? Or second only to Big Show (ughhh)?

 
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Do any of you guys read the Atomic Elbow?  It's a pretty cool fanzine I learned about through the Old School Wrestling Podcast.  I definitely recommend it to anyone interested in wrestling, especially older wrestling.

 
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Looks like they gave Lita the JR treatment.

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Why does Retro HHH look more like Val Venis than, well, Retro HHH?

 
HydroX said:
I think the Big Gold Belt™ is the only belt RVD has not held while in the WWE.

(quick Google search says US Title as well)

I can definitely see him holding the US belt before his sendoff .. and even the Big Gold Belt™ isn't that big of a deal anymore, so I definitely agree with Venkman.

Wouldn't that make him the only man in WWE history to have held the WWE, ECW, and "World Heavyweight Championship" in the history of the biz? Or second only to Big Show (ughhh)?
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CM Punk has held all three as well.

 
I think the  only title that Big Show is even missing is the European title.  He's  held  World, WWE, Intercontinental, US, both Tags, Hardcore, and ECW World. He's also missing Women's and Cruiserweight but he was never eligible for those, obviously.

 
Not an amazing show, but a really fun one. EY got a chance to shine as a worker for a change, and King looked better and came off like more of a star now than he has before. And his match with Aries over-delivered too. Loved Sabin as a dick heel in his match with Manik using Velvet to his advantage...and then losing. So he's lost two titles matches in a month or so. Loved the stuff after the main event match with Wes since it sets up an awesome face turn for what's left of the Aces. Dixie's closing promo was so great. This angle is unbelievably stupid, but goddamned entertaining. GO HONEY! #teamdixie

http://jayreviewsthings.blogspot.com/2013/09/tna-impact-9-26-13.html

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EY is pretty much TNA's Disco Inferno at this point.  I don't even mean that in a negative way.

 
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EY is five million times better than Disco. EY is a great worker when he gets the chance and he's just absolutely perfectly-used at this point. He's a goofball, but has a functioning brain unlike when he was just all over TV in '06 with that "Don't Fire Eric" bit.

 
Even though some people would say that right now is the best WWE has been in a while, I'm losing interest. I don't know if it's that I'm back in school and have other stuff to be doing, but WWE is just something I leave on while doing other stuff at this point. Anyone else feeling the same way since SummerSlam?

 
Sonne said:
Even though some people would say that right now is the best WWE has been in a while, I'm losing interest. I don't know if it's that I'm back in school and have other stuff to be doing, but WWE is just something I leave on while doing other stuff at this point. Anyone else feeling the same way since SummerSlam?
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Sonne said:
Even though some people would say that right now is the best WWE has been in a while, I'm losing interest. I don't know if it's that I'm back in school and have other stuff to be doing, but WWE is just something I leave on while doing other stuff at this point. Anyone else feeling the same way since SummerSlam?
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I don't know if anyone has been recently watched old-school Raw like I have been lately.

The current product is A LOT like how the WWE was back in 1993, except with shittier announcing (McMahon, Savage, and Bobby Heenan vs. Lawler, Cole, and JBL). Most of the stuff back then was exhibition stuff that was ALWAYS building to the PPVs. Nothing earth shaking would happen on the main shows. Just exhibition wrestling that builds to the PPV.

WCW Nitro changed that by giving away PPV main events on Free TV. Hogan vs. Goldberg the first time ever was a Nitro, not PPV, main event. It's only then that WWE started doing big matches on Free TV that would get people interested. Imagine The Rock & The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin & Mankind happening on free TV today? Would never happen!

The difference between now and 93' is that even though the company has gone back to adopting long term feuds and storylines, the addition of so many PPVs means that things like Night of Champions and Battleground are merely stop-gaps to the eventual payoffs that will occur at Wrestlemania.

When Hart / Lawler had their two year feud from '93 to '95, their first match-up had three whole months of build starting at King of the Ring '93 in June and then taking place at Summerslam '93 in August. The modern equivalent would be that Hart and Lawler start their feud at WWE Payback 2013, skipped the Money in the Bank PPV entirely, and had their first physical confrontation with each other at Summerslam 2013, ignoring every single hour of Raw and Smackdown in between to put on a match. This feud would then get culminated at Payback 2015. Would never happen today!

The other issue is that every guy is billed as an athlete first. Kofi, Miz, Axel, Del Rio, and so on. None of these guys has the larger than life persona that a lot of the older guys had. Hogan, Sid, Flair, Warrior, Austin, Rock, Taker', and so on. The wrestling itself has gotten tons better. It really has. What's gotten worse is the personality. It's a lot more blander now than it's been recent years. A lot of people were hoping Punk was that guy. He wasn't. Bryan's always been a better wrestler than a talker and he won't be that guy either.

The guy that came closest was Batista. He was really going the over the top crazy in his last four months because he stopped giving a shit and now, like Rocky before him, he's on his way to being a genuine movie star. Guardians of the Galaxy is going to be a huge breakout role for him.

Here's the truth: The WWE is terrified of making new stars. They're terrified of letting people get too over unless they're absolutely sure the company has complete loyalty from that person. When Jeff Hardy bailed on the company, the company had spent 2 years (2007-2009) building him up. Bobby Lashley is another guy that was pushed hard, including in the Trump vs. McMahon match, and then bailed on the company as well (2006-2008).

So what does the WWE do now? They make every wrestler feel as if they're expendable. That's what Money in the Bank is all about. It tells everyone who wins, "Look. We see something in you so we let you win Money in the Bank. Now you might also win the championship. But that doesn't mean a goddamn thing because we can just as soon make you lose all your matches and throw you out and replace you."

That's why Zack Ryder was never pushed. As over as he got, he did it without the WWE. That meant when contract negotiations came, he would have more power and they couldn't have that. So they kept him off TV, took control of his Youtube Show, and pushed him into irrelevancy so he would be dealing with them from underneath. Otherwise, he could just leave and leverage his success like Hardy, Lesnar, Batista, and Austin.

This doesn't make the WWE a bad company. They've just been burned so much that now they're paranoid about who and how they work with people and it's resulting in the booking and product we're getting now.

The wrestling really is better though.

 
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WWE was super-exciting for a short while after Summerslam because it felt like almost a new era with the main event shift...then they just kept doing the same shit over and over again on every single show - Raw and SD, and it all feels done to death even if it's only been going on for barely a month at this point.

 
Any of you guys been following the WWE youtube page for the past week or so? If you havent, they've been posting full matches of some classic stuff like Andre vs Hogan at WM3, Royal Rumble 92, Rock vs Mankind SvS 98, etc. From the matches so far, I dont think they've been edited except maybe for themes.

 
JaytheGamefan said:
WWE was super-exciting for a short while after Summerslam because it felt like almost a new era with the main event shift...then they just kept doing the same shit over and over again on every single show - Raw and SD, and it all feels done to death even if it's only been going on for barely a month at this point.
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It's hard to remain super fresh and interesting when you're putting out 5 hours of new TV a week plus a three hour PPV. I'm not saying that makes it ok, just saying that I can see why they get a bit repetitive.
 
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They could use the time to actually push talent besides their top 3 or 4 guys and have a really solid undercard. There's no reason guys like Damien Sandow, The Real Americans, Big E Langston, The Wyatts, etc. to be so directionless. Hell they could actually develop the Divas division (perish the thought). Hell the last couple Raws were great opportunities to give guys like Gabriel & Ryder some focus and they haven't really done anything with it besides trouncing a massively outnumbered Shield.

 
I see no reason to develop the divas division over mid-card male acts because so few of the women can actually work a match longer than 2 minutes. The tag division could be...relatively booming thanks to the Shield as champs. Instead, it's just kind of a bunch of dudes in random matches with occasional title defenses.

 
JaytheGamefan said:
WWE was super-exciting for a short while after Summerslam because it felt like almost a new era with the main event shift...then they just kept doing the same shit over and over again on every single show - Raw and SD, and it all feels done to death even if it's only been going on for barely a month at this point.
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That's exactly how it was back in 93'. Three months of storylines treading water until the PPV. Which is good when the guys have a ton of personality and you want to see them go head to head (ala Rock v Cena / Hart v Hart / Hart v Austin), but when it's guys just going at it on pure wrestling ability... yeah. It gets old.

What made the build to Summerslam great was that promo from Bryan to Cena about being hungry. That sealed the deal. And it did that because it was an honest and passionate back and forth. Bryan was angry and excitable. Now against Orton and HHH? Week after week after week of beatdowns and what's his reaction? "Well... you know... shucks... YES!" He should be digging his claws into Orton and HHH!

And that's the problem. Kofi Kingston should be a huge star by now. Same with Cesaro. Same with Ziggler. But they don't pull the trigger. They don't orchestrate promos and build drama like they should. And I think it's because they're trying to draw things out to the PPVs. But maybe they just don't think people can keep up with that kind of passion.

These guys ALL need mic time to get over. When's the last time a tag team not named The Shield got mic time? PTP had Abe Washington but since he left, nothing. Kofi? Cesaro? Ziggler? They give the mic to Orton, Hunter, Bryan, Punk, and Heyman. No wonder those are the only guys that draw!
 
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