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not that this should come as a shock to anyone, but victoria has apparently asked for and been granted a release from her contract from WWE. she just joined my friends ju-jitsu class in louisville and was telling a few people she joined to train for an MMA career she plans on embarking on. so it seems next tuesdays SD! taping will be it for her.
can you blame anyone for not watching it? vince killed wrestling i grew up on the stuff and now i cant stand it to the point where i cant even play wrestling games anymore ( the other reason to that is because they are all the same each year). UFC is the new shit to watch and its going to eclipse wrestling in quality and excitement if it hasnt already.
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Good match between Alex Shelley and Eric Young, although the ending sucked since it looked like Eric just let go of Shelley and ran into Sabin's interference rather than Shelley kicking out. I'm looking forward to the Guns' match for the X Division Championship.
I'm also happy that they finally pulled the trigger on Glamour Boy Shane as a wrestler. While it's not hard to get oneself over as a face against Sheik Abdul Bashir, Shane has been drawing some loud cheers and should be successful in his new role.
"Don't put off until today, what you can do tomorrow." Good one, Nash. And Booker's, "We comin' for ya!" line reminded me of his embarrassing promo on Hulk Hogan from a decade and a half ago.
I'm also happy that they finally pulled the trigger on Glamour Boy Shane as a wrestler. While it's not hard to get oneself over as a face against Sheik Abdul Bashir, Shane has been drawing some loud cheers and should be successful in his new role.
"Don't put off until today, what you can do tomorrow." Good one, Nash. And Booker's, "We comin' for ya!" line reminded me of his embarrassing promo on Hulk Hogan from a decade and a half ago.
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[quote name='lokizz']can you blame anyone for not watching it? vince killed wrestling i grew up on the stuff and now i cant stand it to the point where i cant even play wrestling games anymore ( the other reason to that is because they are all the same each year). UFC is the new shit to watch and its going to eclipse wrestling in quality and excitement if it hasnt already.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that Lesnar/Couture had more PPV buys than even Wrestlemania 24, and that UFC has most of the top PPV slots for this year.
So, while I think you're right, I think it's incorrect to think MMA and wrestling can't coexist, because they're very different products, especially in terms of presentation.
I don't think pro wrestling should try to mimic the MMA production style, but there's a lot to be gained from looking into the style of MMA/boxing production in terms of how they present the product.
One of the best things, strictly in my opinion, that pro wrestling can do to improve their product is to shrink segment time for in-ring talking segments and (especially here) reduce the time allocated to wrestler entrances. Now, I know it helps create the "larger than life" mystique, which is why I'm saying reduce the time, and not kill them off altogether. It's very painful when you have 6 and 8-man tag team matches.
What wrestling needs to do is let wrestling matches be wrestling matches again. Collar and elbow tie ups, getting a feel for your opponent, basic wrist locks and holds. It's *wrestling*. I don't care for the modern style, which is a split second collar and elbow tieup/series of punches/irish whip/big move/rest hold, which seems to be the "WWE style," which TNA seemed to have caught like it was
in' contagious. Matches need to have more time, fewer moves, and a slower pace. Except when the wrestlers aren't known for their slower pace.
Not every match has to be as awesome as Punk/Jericho from a few weeks back, but it has to be believable to a degree. I can't believe in 4-minute matches when both wrestlers are name draws. Looking back at the old syndicated WWF programming, the matches then were 4-minute matches. It took Ravishing Rick Rude/Hercules/Dino Bravo/whomever 4-5 minutes to pin Tom Stone/Mike Sharpe/Duane Gill/Jeff Hardy (
), and that was after they had 100% of the offense. I think televised pro wrestling has to bring in a -em-up kind of thinker, who isn't interested in maintaining the tradition of booking/production that was brought to us by Vince McMahon, Kevin Dunn, and Vince Russo. Someone who recognizes that these are *television programs,* and that, while you need to appeal to the local audience to get excited so the tv viewers get into it more, if you cater to the local audience too much, it's to the detriment of the viewers at home. Get your cheap pops during commercial breaks if it means that much.
I'm pretty sure that Lesnar/Couture had more PPV buys than even Wrestlemania 24, and that UFC has most of the top PPV slots for this year.
So, while I think you're right, I think it's incorrect to think MMA and wrestling can't coexist, because they're very different products, especially in terms of presentation.
I don't think pro wrestling should try to mimic the MMA production style, but there's a lot to be gained from looking into the style of MMA/boxing production in terms of how they present the product.
One of the best things, strictly in my opinion, that pro wrestling can do to improve their product is to shrink segment time for in-ring talking segments and (especially here) reduce the time allocated to wrestler entrances. Now, I know it helps create the "larger than life" mystique, which is why I'm saying reduce the time, and not kill them off altogether. It's very painful when you have 6 and 8-man tag team matches.
What wrestling needs to do is let wrestling matches be wrestling matches again. Collar and elbow tie ups, getting a feel for your opponent, basic wrist locks and holds. It's *wrestling*. I don't care for the modern style, which is a split second collar and elbow tieup/series of punches/irish whip/big move/rest hold, which seems to be the "WWE style," which TNA seemed to have caught like it was
in' contagious. Matches need to have more time, fewer moves, and a slower pace. Except when the wrestlers aren't known for their slower pace. Not every match has to be as awesome as Punk/Jericho from a few weeks back, but it has to be believable to a degree. I can't believe in 4-minute matches when both wrestlers are name draws. Looking back at the old syndicated WWF programming, the matches then were 4-minute matches. It took Ravishing Rick Rude/Hercules/Dino Bravo/whomever 4-5 minutes to pin Tom Stone/Mike Sharpe/Duane Gill/Jeff Hardy (
), and that was after they had 100% of the offense. I think televised pro wrestling has to bring in a -em-up kind of thinker, who isn't interested in maintaining the tradition of booking/production that was brought to us by Vince McMahon, Kevin Dunn, and Vince Russo. Someone who recognizes that these are *television programs,* and that, while you need to appeal to the local audience to get excited so the tv viewers get into it more, if you cater to the local audience too much, it's to the detriment of the viewers at home. Get your cheap pops during commercial breaks if it means that much.[quote name='mykevermin']I'm pretty sure that Lesnar/Couture had more PPV buys than even Wrestlemania 24, and that UFC has most of the top PPV slots for this year.
So, while I think you're right, I think it's incorrect to think MMA and wrestling can't coexist, because they're very different products, especially in terms of presentation.
I don't think pro wrestling should try to mimic the MMA production style, but there's a lot to be gained from looking into the style of MMA/boxing production in terms of how they present the product.
One of the best things, strictly in my opinion, that pro wrestling can do to improve their product is to shrink segment time for in-ring talking segments and (especially here) reduce the time allocated to wrestler entrances. Now, I know it helps create the "larger than life" mystique, which is why I'm saying reduce the time, and not kill them off altogether. It's very painful when you have 6 and 8-man tag team matches.
What wrestling needs to do is let wrestling matches be wrestling matches again. Collar and elbow tie ups, getting a feel for your opponent, basic wrist locks and holds. It's *wrestling*. I don't care for the modern style, which is a split second collar and elbow tieup/series of punches/irish whip/big move/rest hold, which seems to be the "WWE style," which TNA seemed to have caught like it wasin' contagious. Matches need to have more time, fewer moves, and a slower pace. Except when the wrestlers aren't known for their slower pace.
Not every match has to be as awesome as Punk/Jericho from a few weeks back, but it has to be believable to a degree. I can't believe in 4-minute matches when both wrestlers are name draws. Looking back at the old syndicated WWF programming, the matches then were 4-minute matches. It took Ravishing Rick Rude/Hercules/Dino Bravo/whomever 4-5 minutes to pin Tom Stone/Mike Sharpe/Duane Gill/Jeff Hardy (), and that was after they had 100% of the offense. I think televised pro wrestling has to bring in a -em-up kind of thinker, who isn't interested in maintaining the tradition of booking/production that was brought to us by Vince McMahon, Kevin Dunn, and Vince Russo. Someone who recognizes that these are *television programs,* and that, while you need to appeal to the local audience to get excited so the tv viewers get into it more, if you cater to the local audience too much, it's to the detriment of the viewers at home. Get your cheap pops during commercial breaks if it means that much.[/quote]
yeah alot of the promos people cut back when i still watched were too long and horrible i know alot of people considered him a one trick pony but the rock was the best at promos and if he ever came back to wrestling id hazzard a gander to see what he was doing but i doubt he ever will. i can still watch the old stuff and its still amazing.
hhh killed part of my love for wrestling too since he was always part of everything and he always had to win against everyone yeah i get it hes banging the bosses daughter so he gets what he wants. it sucked to see time monopolizd by non wrestlers or by the same few wrestlers.
mma and wrestling can coexist but i think alot of people will migrate over to ufc over time.
So, while I think you're right, I think it's incorrect to think MMA and wrestling can't coexist, because they're very different products, especially in terms of presentation.
I don't think pro wrestling should try to mimic the MMA production style, but there's a lot to be gained from looking into the style of MMA/boxing production in terms of how they present the product.
One of the best things, strictly in my opinion, that pro wrestling can do to improve their product is to shrink segment time for in-ring talking segments and (especially here) reduce the time allocated to wrestler entrances. Now, I know it helps create the "larger than life" mystique, which is why I'm saying reduce the time, and not kill them off altogether. It's very painful when you have 6 and 8-man tag team matches.
What wrestling needs to do is let wrestling matches be wrestling matches again. Collar and elbow tie ups, getting a feel for your opponent, basic wrist locks and holds. It's *wrestling*. I don't care for the modern style, which is a split second collar and elbow tieup/series of punches/irish whip/big move/rest hold, which seems to be the "WWE style," which TNA seemed to have caught like it was
in' contagious. Matches need to have more time, fewer moves, and a slower pace. Except when the wrestlers aren't known for their slower pace. Not every match has to be as awesome as Punk/Jericho from a few weeks back, but it has to be believable to a degree. I can't believe in 4-minute matches when both wrestlers are name draws. Looking back at the old syndicated WWF programming, the matches then were 4-minute matches. It took Ravishing Rick Rude/Hercules/Dino Bravo/whomever 4-5 minutes to pin Tom Stone/Mike Sharpe/Duane Gill/Jeff Hardy (
), and that was after they had 100% of the offense. I think televised pro wrestling has to bring in a -em-up kind of thinker, who isn't interested in maintaining the tradition of booking/production that was brought to us by Vince McMahon, Kevin Dunn, and Vince Russo. Someone who recognizes that these are *television programs,* and that, while you need to appeal to the local audience to get excited so the tv viewers get into it more, if you cater to the local audience too much, it's to the detriment of the viewers at home. Get your cheap pops during commercial breaks if it means that much.[/quote]yeah alot of the promos people cut back when i still watched were too long and horrible i know alot of people considered him a one trick pony but the rock was the best at promos and if he ever came back to wrestling id hazzard a gander to see what he was doing but i doubt he ever will. i can still watch the old stuff and its still amazing.
hhh killed part of my love for wrestling too since he was always part of everything and he always had to win against everyone yeah i get it hes banging the bosses daughter so he gets what he wants. it sucked to see time monopolizd by non wrestlers or by the same few wrestlers.
mma and wrestling can coexist but i think alot of people will migrate over to ufc over time.
Victoria quitting was confirmed a little while back but this is the first I've heard about an MMA career. If she were to fight Gina Watzername...yum.
I just watched the Harts/Steiners match (1/94) that Jay posted a link to a little while back. Very good match that went for about 25 minutes. I'd forgotten how quick Scott used to be. Stan Lane and Gorilla Monsoon were on commentary and did a great job.
Monsoon after Rick gives Owen a hard back suplex: "That'll give you a negative attitude."
Monsoon upon seeing Pat Patterson breaking up the fight: "Is that Pat Patterson!? Holy mackerel, did he get fat! Boy, did he let himself go!"
"Look at Patterson! He's out of gas!"
Monsoon looking at Rene Goulet's haircut: "Look at Rene, he has that Friar Tuck look, doesn't he? He gets a haorcut twice a year, whether he needs it or not."
God bless Gino Marella.
I just watched the Harts/Steiners match (1/94) that Jay posted a link to a little while back. Very good match that went for about 25 minutes. I'd forgotten how quick Scott used to be. Stan Lane and Gorilla Monsoon were on commentary and did a great job.
Monsoon after Rick gives Owen a hard back suplex: "That'll give you a negative attitude."
Monsoon upon seeing Pat Patterson breaking up the fight: "Is that Pat Patterson!? Holy mackerel, did he get fat! Boy, did he let himself go!"
"Look at Patterson! He's out of gas!"
Monsoon looking at Rene Goulet's haircut: "Look at Rene, he has that Friar Tuck look, doesn't he? He gets a haorcut twice a year, whether he needs it or not."
God bless Gino Marella.
[quote name='mykevermin']And I don't mean ROH. ROH is fan service; they have some great ideas that can be stolen, but they suffer from (1) too little mainstream exposure (and don't bullshit yourself into thinking being in "The Wrestler" means a goddamned thing), (2) too much talent rotation in the overall roster, and (3) too much top-card concentration.
In terms of a product, there's not much of a card hierarchy. Folks can work the first match one night, and wrestle in the main event the next. That's good because it avoids the whole "Triple H and these guys hog the spotlight" stuff, but it's bad because it makes everyone seem equal. There's little anticipation to say "oh, I can't wait to see so-and-so come out and wrestle!" Guys like Claudio Castignoli and Nigel McGuinness are perfect examples of that.
Second, the ROH product has no flow to it. I sat in attendance at the 1-hour CM Punk/Samoa Joe "World Title Classic" match, and was bored out of myin' gourd, man. Why? The match was amazing. Looking back on DVD, I was angry that I sat on my hands during the match. But you know what? I was exhausted. There was no "build" on the show. It was 3.5-4 hours of strong-style wrestling: hard hits, near falls out the ass, and a focus on wrestling. No comedy matches, no tits-n-ass. Not that I *want* those things, but a wrestling show needs those things to keep the crowd into the product. ROH wore me out before the main event. I'd seen enough grappling by that point.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you need to give it another shot.
There is clearly a card hierarchy, it's just not a rigid card caste system like the WWE. They can't afford to do that since they are constantly losing wresters. They have to keep building people up. So while guys like Tyler Black may get a title shot, doesn't mean he has a chance to actually win it. They are just using Nigel to build up talent by letting Black go toe to toe with the champ. I don't know why you used Nigel McGuinness as an example since he's been champion for 459 days now.
The Orlando shows I went to both had a chill match (with Bushwaker Luke!) to help the crowd out. They just don't usually make DVD since they are a throwaway matches.
Larry Sweeney is the best pure manager in years.
You can't base the current product on what you may have seen in 2003. Wrestling isn't a static environment. If it was TNA wouldn't be WCW-2000 and WWE would still be interesting.
In terms of a product, there's not much of a card hierarchy. Folks can work the first match one night, and wrestle in the main event the next. That's good because it avoids the whole "Triple H and these guys hog the spotlight" stuff, but it's bad because it makes everyone seem equal. There's little anticipation to say "oh, I can't wait to see so-and-so come out and wrestle!" Guys like Claudio Castignoli and Nigel McGuinness are perfect examples of that.
Second, the ROH product has no flow to it. I sat in attendance at the 1-hour CM Punk/Samoa Joe "World Title Classic" match, and was bored out of my
in' gourd, man. Why? The match was amazing. Looking back on DVD, I was angry that I sat on my hands during the match. But you know what? I was exhausted. There was no "build" on the show. It was 3.5-4 hours of strong-style wrestling: hard hits, near falls out the ass, and a focus on wrestling. No comedy matches, no tits-n-ass. Not that I *want* those things, but a wrestling show needs those things to keep the crowd into the product. ROH wore me out before the main event. I'd seen enough grappling by that point.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you need to give it another shot.
There is clearly a card hierarchy, it's just not a rigid card caste system like the WWE. They can't afford to do that since they are constantly losing wresters. They have to keep building people up. So while guys like Tyler Black may get a title shot, doesn't mean he has a chance to actually win it. They are just using Nigel to build up talent by letting Black go toe to toe with the champ. I don't know why you used Nigel McGuinness as an example since he's been champion for 459 days now.
The Orlando shows I went to both had a chill match (with Bushwaker Luke!) to help the crowd out. They just don't usually make DVD since they are a throwaway matches.
Larry Sweeney is the best pure manager in years.
You can't base the current product on what you may have seen in 2003. Wrestling isn't a static environment. If it was TNA wouldn't be WCW-2000 and WWE would still be interesting.
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2003? I stopped watching ROH under a year ago.
The coolest thing that I've seen ROH do recently was the Age of the Fall stuff. Then again, Necro Butcher scares the hell out of me so I wouldn't dare criticize something he was involved with. I don't want the West Virginia Violence Parade to show up at my house.
[quote name='mykevermin']2003? I stopped watching ROH under a year ago.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't know where I pulled that from. I guess it's because of your Samoa Joe/CM Punk comment but even that took place in 2004.
The rest of the point stands though. As a smaller indy fed, they can't afford to do things like WWE or TNA. I know I wouldn't be a fan if they held back until the main event or if nobody moved up or down the card.
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On that note, pretty cool news about Ring Of Honor
They will have to up the hell out of their production if they want to be on HDNet. Hopefully they don't fall into the same trap ECW did.
Yeah, I don't know where I pulled that from. I guess it's because of your Samoa Joe/CM Punk comment but even that took place in 2004.
The rest of the point stands though. As a smaller indy fed, they can't afford to do things like WWE or TNA. I know I wouldn't be a fan if they held back until the main event or if nobody moved up or down the card.
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On that note, pretty cool news about Ring Of Honor
They will have to up the hell out of their production if they want to be on HDNet. Hopefully they don't fall into the same trap ECW did.
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It would be great if TNA would stop screwing up so bad. I swear, sometimes I think Vince secretly owns the company or something. TNA could actually be a contender to WWE if, ya know..they stopped trying to be like WWE. It also doesn't help that all their stars are ex WCW/WWE guys. The "TNA" talent are pretty boring and don't really stand out.
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*sigh* well, forget Nigel and substitute Tyler Black, Chris Hero, Brent Albright, Davey Richards, Jimmy Jacobs, and whomever else you want to. My point still stands. Especially if you consider that the most reliable, consistent top-card-but-not-champ contender they have is Austin Aries. Really? Austin ing Aries? A good wrestler. A very good wrestler. But someone who will never, ever succeed outside of the indies.
And I didn't know Nigel still had the belt. I'm a fan of the guy, and happy to see him succeed, but I don't think he's a championship title guy.
ing Aries? A good wrestler. A very good wrestler. But someone who will never, ever succeed outside of the indies.And I didn't know Nigel still had the belt. I'm a fan of the guy, and happy to see him succeed, but I don't think he's a championship title guy.
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[quote name='mykevermin']*sigh* well, forget Nigel and substitute Tyler Black, Chris Hero, Brent Albright, Davey Richards, Jimmy Jacobs, and whomever else you want to. My point still stands. Especially if you consider that the most reliable, consistent top-card-but-not-champ contender they have is Austin Aries. Really? Austin ing Aries? A good wrestler. A very good wrestler. But someone who will never, ever succeed outside of the indies.[/QUOTE]
I would have said the same thing about CM Punk or Matt Sydal.
RoH is a different than WWE because everybody is fairly small. I was really surprised when I went to the RoH meet-and-greet and found out that I was as tall as 99% of the roster. So instead of "damn that guy is big/ripped" the hierarchy is more based on "wow, that guy is a fantastic wrestler".
I do agree with you though they move people up the ranks quickly but it's just that they have to keep moving simply because they never know when TNA or WWE is going to go on another talent raid or when one of their stars decides to move on.
[quote name='mykevermin']And I didn't know Nigel still had the belt. I'm a fan of the guy, and happy to see him succeed, but I don't think he's a championship title guy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was really surprised to see how much they got Nigel over as a heel/credible threat. Got to give him credit though, his promos have improved and he's put on some amazing matches.
ing Aries? A good wrestler. A very good wrestler. But someone who will never, ever succeed outside of the indies.[/QUOTE]I would have said the same thing about CM Punk or Matt Sydal.
RoH is a different than WWE because everybody is fairly small. I was really surprised when I went to the RoH meet-and-greet and found out that I was as tall as 99% of the roster. So instead of "damn that guy is big/ripped" the hierarchy is more based on "wow, that guy is a fantastic wrestler".
I do agree with you though they move people up the ranks quickly but it's just that they have to keep moving simply because they never know when TNA or WWE is going to go on another talent raid or when one of their stars decides to move on.
[quote name='mykevermin']And I didn't know Nigel still had the belt. I'm a fan of the guy, and happy to see him succeed, but I don't think he's a championship title guy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was really surprised to see how much they got Nigel over as a heel/credible threat. Got to give him credit though, his promos have improved and he's put on some amazing matches.
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Anyone else think that the Jarret / Angle storyline is boring?
Good Foley promo, though.
Good Foley promo, though.
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To prove the thread title right, I totally forgot to tag this thread after the last one was closed.
Anyway, skimmed the thread and the only comment I have so far is that last thing I heard about Gangrel is he's a porn director now.
Anyway, skimmed the thread and the only comment I have so far is that last thing I heard about Gangrel is he's a porn director now.
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And Super Crazy.
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[quote name='neocisco']Victoria quitting was confirmed a little while back but this is the first I've heard about an MMA career. If she were to fight Gina Watzername...yum.
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No it wasn't. She outright denied the rumor and has wrestled since.
Lethal Consequences, which it seems like they'll be using, would be like the 8th best tag team name ever.
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No it wasn't. She outright denied the rumor and has wrestled since.
Lethal Consequences, which it seems like they'll be using, would be like the 8th best tag team name ever.
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[quote name='diddy310']The DLC For Smackdown vs. Raw 2009 is up on PSN. Bourne, Haas, Dibiase, and the alternate costumes for Kelly,Maria,Jericho,Edge,Kane & MVP[/quote]
If I played the SmackDown games, I would totally put some points on a Matt Bourne character.
If I played the SmackDown games, I would totally put some points on a Matt Bourne character.
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[quote name='neocisco']Victoria quitting was confirmed a little while back but this is the first I've heard about an MMA career. If she were to fight Gina Watzername...yum..[/quote]
i was rather taken back, itll be interesting to see if its true or not, but again as i was told. shes supposed to be let go after next weeks taping, hope she doesnt get the "wishing her luck" treatment, but we shall see
i was rather taken back, itll be interesting to see if its true or not, but again as i was told. shes supposed to be let go after next weeks taping, hope she doesnt get the "wishing her luck" treatment, but we shall see
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[quote name='diddy310']TNA would pay Ron Killings hundreds of thousands of dollars to come back just so they could name the team Truth and Consequences[/QUOTE]
TNA could very well get Adam "Pacman" Jones back as well.
Oh come on you know you miss his awful promos, his finisher of throwing a football into the nuts region, and his just plain awesome presence that really will bring TNA's ratings from 1.2. to 1.200001.
Its the Truth ya know.
TNA could very well get Adam "Pacman" Jones back as well.
Oh come on you know you miss his awful promos, his finisher of throwing a football into the nuts region, and his just plain awesome presence that really will bring TNA's ratings from 1.2. to 1.200001.
Its the Truth ya know.
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I don't miss a goddamned thing about TNA. When you're worse than the WWE (by a long shot, mind) and you're not a garbage-wrestling fed like CZW or IWAMS, you're ing *trying*.
ing *trying*.
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To be honest I can't remember the last time I watched TNA. Is Petey Williams still going around pretending to be Scott Steiner?
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I can't believe it has taken me 12-13 years to notice that Razor Ramon wore the kind of applique vests that only overweight middle aged women do.
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Don't watch wrestling anymore, but i used to quite a lot years ago. Thought you all might like this. It's an article about what some old wrestlers are doing now.
http://www.empireonline.com/features//wwf-wrestling-legends-where-are-they-now/ultimate-warrior.asp
http://www.empireonline.com/features//wwf-wrestling-legends-where-are-they-now/ultimate-warrior.asp
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[quote name='TheEyecon']Did I missed something "great" about iMPACT?
I was busy watching the BCS National Championship.[/quote]
"Lethal Consequences" vs Beer Money was alright but nothing spectacular.
Other than that you missed a lot of Road Dogg crying, and another Palin/Beautiful People skit (yes, seriously, they're still doing that)
I was busy watching the BCS National Championship.[/quote]
"Lethal Consequences" vs Beer Money was alright but nothing spectacular.
Other than that you missed a lot of Road Dogg crying, and another Palin/Beautiful People skit (yes, seriously, they're still doing that)
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Christmastime has come for WWE naysayers and cynics. They laid off 10% of their Stamford office staff yesterday, and talent cuts are expected today. Who's on the chopping block?
In other unexpected news, Low Ki signed with WWE. Expect him to be renamed Ron Cornelius, because his deep voice makes Vince laugh and reminded him of the classic "Soul Train" host.
In other unexpected news, Low Ki signed with WWE. Expect him to be renamed Ron Cornelius, because his deep voice makes Vince laugh and reminded him of the classic "Soul Train" host.
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In other unexpected news, Low Ki signed with WWE. Expect him to be renamed Ron Cornelius, because his deep voice makes Vince laugh and reminded him of the classic "Soul Train" host.[/QUOTE]
It's scary that I can't tell if you made that up or not.
In other unexpected news, Low Ki signed with WWE. Expect him to be renamed Ron Cornelius, because his deep voice makes Vince laugh and reminded him of the classic "Soul Train" host.[/QUOTE]
It's scary that I can't tell if you made that up or not.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Christmastime has come for WWE naysayers and cynics. They laid off 10% of their Stamford office staff yesterday, and talent cuts are expected today. Who's on the chopping block?[/quote]
If I had to make guesses, I would say
Curt Hawkins
Zach Ryder
Bam Neely
Gavin Spears
Jesse(I could see them keeping Festus)
If I had to make guesses, I would say
Curt Hawkins
Zach Ryder
Bam Neely
Gavin Spears
Jesse(I could see them keeping Festus)
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Here's hoping they actually use Low-Ki this time around. I remember seeing him in a few matches a few years back on Heat.
He's got way too much talent to be a jobber or a curtain-jerker. Stick him in ECW and build him up for awhile, then send him over to one of the other shows so he can do some good.
He's got way too much talent to be a jobber or a curtain-jerker. Stick him in ECW and build him up for awhile, then send him over to one of the other shows so he can do some good.
I'm going to call The Brian Kendrick in the next 2 or 3 groups of releases, as an example to all those bitching about the pot crackdown.
It's probably a good thing for Ezekiel Jackson, who should have a good future in WWE, he was trained by Homicide and at least seems to know what he's doing in the ring, in addition to having the look that Vince loves.
It's probably a good thing for Ezekiel Jackson, who should have a good future in WWE, he was trained by Homicide and at least seems to know what he's doing in the ring, in addition to having the look that Vince loves.
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My guess on Neely was right, and I'm not shocked by D-Lo going either. They've hardly used him since they brought him back.
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D'Lo so soon? What a waste. He would have made for a great IC title contender.
I see they finally dropped the hammer on Val after all this time. Shame to see him go even if he hasn't done anything at all in like 7 years.
I see they finally dropped the hammer on Val after all this time. Shame to see him go even if he hasn't done anything at all in like 7 years.
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Val Venis has been fired
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Val Venis has been fired
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Val Venis' work schedule was to job once or twice every three years.
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I think you'll see more than just the "recent graduates of OVW/FCW" crowd released. Evidently, this is a cost-cutting measure of the "the more you make, you greater the risk you are" sort.
Not that we'll see Triple H/HBK types released. But maybe someone of a "Kane" level. I dunno.
C'mon, Scotty Goldman! I predict you're next to go!
Not that we'll see Triple H/HBK types released. But maybe someone of a "Kane" level. I dunno.
C'mon, Scotty Goldman! I predict you're next to go!
That's a shame, Val Venis is definitely in my top 5 wrestlers -- I like him but have no idea why. Could be that cheesy entrance music.
If Venis got the ax I could see Hardcore Holly going soon too. Going through wwe.com, a few other names I could see getting fired:
Jamie Noble, Curt Hawkins, DH Smith, Jimmy Wang Yang, Kung Fu Naki (ugh), Ryan Braddock, Scotty Goldman, Zack Ryder, Gavin Spears.
It's almost as if no one in WWE watches Smackdown to know who gets used either.... be interesting to see how these cuts affect the new Superstars program that is going to start up on WGN if they were going to use lower card talent.
If Venis got the ax I could see Hardcore Holly going soon too. Going through wwe.com, a few other names I could see getting fired:
Jamie Noble, Curt Hawkins, DH Smith, Jimmy Wang Yang, Kung Fu Naki (ugh), Ryan Braddock, Scotty Goldman, Zack Ryder, Gavin Spears.
It's almost as if no one in WWE watches Smackdown to know who gets used either.... be interesting to see how these cuts affect the new Superstars program that is going to start up on WGN if they were going to use lower card talent.
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