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[quote name='gokou36']Actually I think what screwed the Cavs was when Lebron went for a 3 instead of a layup when it was 88-89. They didn't need a 3, they could've went for a 2 and take a 1 point lead. They also missed out on 2 crucial rebounds. And yeah that was a huge mistake on Lebron's part, maybe he thought Pierce couldn't push his way thru being sandwiched between LJ and the ref.
Someone is bound to take a game in Boston and it might be the Pistons.[/QUOTE]
There wasn't much time on the shot clock when LeBron shot that 3, so I don't fault him there.
I think the Celtics match up pretty well against the Pistons, to be honest. Stopping Garnett will be a problem for them, and Billups will have trouble with Rondo if his hamstring isn't 100%.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']If the Browns can't knock the Pats off, the Giants will. :lol:[/QUOTE]
The Giants won't make the playoffs.
[quote name='EXStrike']It was James Posey, for the record.[/QUOTE]
You are correct, Eddie House was involved in the other one that led to a scuffle with technical fouls handed out.
Someone is bound to take a game in Boston and it might be the Pistons.[/QUOTE]
There wasn't much time on the shot clock when LeBron shot that 3, so I don't fault him there.
I think the Celtics match up pretty well against the Pistons, to be honest. Stopping Garnett will be a problem for them, and Billups will have trouble with Rondo if his hamstring isn't 100%.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']If the Browns can't knock the Pats off, the Giants will. :lol:[/QUOTE]
The Giants won't make the playoffs.
[quote name='EXStrike']It was James Posey, for the record.[/QUOTE]
You are correct, Eddie House was involved in the other one that led to a scuffle with technical fouls handed out.
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I think the Celtics will have an easier time with the Pistons, compared to their previous series. The pistons play a similar style of game to the Celtics, unlike the Hawks and LeBron (the rest of the Cavs play similarly); that is, the Pistons, like the Celtics, aren't very athletic. Since they both play a similar style, I think the Celtics are simply better than the Pistons. Celtics in 6.
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The refs are keeping the spurs in it. Bottom line.
Those are horrid calls. No way thats a foul when genflopi falls on the ground and loses the ball. Like the announcer said...its a loose ball everyone has a right to go for it.
Right on cue. Bowen over the back trying to block pargo and clearly fouls and its called a jump ball?
Those are horrid calls. No way thats a foul when genflopi falls on the ground and loses the ball. Like the announcer said...its a loose ball everyone has a right to go for it.
Right on cue. Bowen over the back trying to block pargo and clearly fouls and its called a jump ball?
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I can't believe Pargo missed that wide open three. Gah!
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ing pargo. Again. How Chris Paul didnt win MVP is beyond me. Its very clear that he is the only thing on that team that can come through in the clutch. Replace him with anyone else and you have just a bunch of rag tag ringers.
Peja jacking up threes for no reason. Pargo although he was on at the end is every hit or miss and shouldnt be jacking up quick shots all over the place.
Mo pete completely off
Peja completely off
David West although great cant seem to close a game.
And having the worst 2nd seen coach in the history of the NBA. Fire this dumbass. How many god damn times are you going to double and let the spurs shoot 3s all over the court. It was clear very early on that T-chan could guard Tim Ducan 1 on 1. Yet you spend half the series getting completely killed by open 3s. Your team cant rotate yet you still run the same defense.
I hate Byron Scott and I knew with him at the helm no matter how good they did he couldnt coach well enough to close out.
Bah.
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I give Pargo credit, the guy was the only one willing to shoot, in the 2nd half it seemed the Hornets were playing really tight.
West all of a sudden became a non-factor, and Peja choked like usual.
This Spurs/Lakers series will be very interesting.
Fisher vs Parker, Gasol vs Duncan, The Black Mamba vs Bowen, the X factor yet again is Odom, nobody can guard that guy on the Spurs.
West all of a sudden became a non-factor, and Peja choked like usual.
This Spurs/Lakers series will be very interesting.
Fisher vs Parker, Gasol vs Duncan, The Black Mamba vs Bowen, the X factor yet again is Odom, nobody can guard that guy on the Spurs.
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[quote name='Nelo Ice']^also looks like ariza will be back as well so we can put him on ginobli 
if bynum wasn't injured the series would be sooo much easier[/quote]
Ariza's absence is mad-overrated, guy is a mediocre slasher.
I'd actually rather let Vujacic, even though smaller than Ginobli, guard him. His speed can keep up with Ginobli, and Vujacic really doesn't give a, so he'll with Ginobli.
if bynum wasn't injured the series would be sooo much easier[/quote]
Ariza's absence is mad-overrated, guy is a mediocre slasher.
I'd actually rather let Vujacic, even though smaller than Ginobli, guard him. His speed can keep up with Ginobli, and Vujacic really doesn't give a
, so he'll with Ginobli.[quote name='ph33r m3']Ariza's absence is mad-overrated, guy is a mediocre slasher.
I'd actually rather let Vujacic, even though smaller than Ginobli, guard him. His speed can keep up with Ginobli, and Vujacic really doesn't give a, so he'll with Ginobli.[/quote]
Cuz he's a "MACHINE" :lol:
*imagine Morpheus' voice*
I'd actually rather let Vujacic, even though smaller than Ginobli, guard him. His speed can keep up with Ginobli, and Vujacic really doesn't give a
, so he'll with Ginobli.[/quote]Cuz he's a "MACHINE" :lol:
*imagine Morpheus' voice*
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[quote name='dafoomie']NBA referees are the worst in all of sports. And I'm not even talking about the corrpution and gambling, the incompetence is enough.[/quote]
Agreed.
There needs to be a standard. Some level of consistency. The completely up and down of the calls is simply crazy.
Agreed.
There needs to be a standard. Some level of consistency. The completely up and down of the calls is simply crazy.
whos Vujacic?
i only kno THE MACHINE
but ariza is a nice defender though THE MACHINE is great as well and he has a nice fan club going :lol:
but ariza there would give kobe and THE MACHINE rest on the defensive end so they dont have to exert so much energy defending the teams best perimeter player
i only kno THE MACHINE
but ariza is a nice defender though THE MACHINE is great as well and he has a nice fan club going :lol:
but ariza there would give kobe and THE MACHINE rest on the defensive end so they dont have to exert so much energy defending the teams best perimeter player
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[quote name='ph33r m3']Ariza's absence is mad-overrated, guy is a mediocre slasher.
I'd actually rather let Vujacic, even though smaller than Ginobli, guard him. His speed can keep up with Ginobli, and Vujacic really doesn't give a, so he'll with Ginobli.[/quote]
Sorry, it wont matter.
It ginflopi. The hardest thing to do is to keep the refs on your side. Who ever is guarding him is going to have to suffer the constant charging and flailing around. All the while having the ability to even body up on him taken away as he wails and flops over like a stabbed GTA hooker.
I'd actually rather let Vujacic, even though smaller than Ginobli, guard him. His speed can keep up with Ginobli, and Vujacic really doesn't give a
, so he'll with Ginobli.[/quote]Sorry, it wont matter.
It ginflopi. The hardest thing to do is to keep the refs on your side. Who ever is guarding him is going to have to suffer the constant charging and flailing around. All the while having the ability to even body up on him taken away as he wails and flops over like a stabbed GTA hooker.
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Wow that was a good yet struggling game for the NO Hornets. 
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The Hornets were really struggling in the 2nd half of the game. Only Pargo and a tiny bit of Chandler and Paul alley-oop was going. Somebody else needs to step up.
Peja Stojakovic was choking more than ever and wasn't really himself in the 2nd half. Really missing his shots.
Well I guess its The Lakers vs Spurs for the Western Conference Finals (Wednesday)
Go Lakers again !!! Get Rid of these Spurs once and for all for Good!
kThe Hornets were really struggling in the 2nd half of the game. Only Pargo and a tiny bit of Chandler and Paul alley-oop was going. Somebody else needs to step up.
Peja Stojakovic was choking more than ever and wasn't really himself in the 2nd half. Really missing his shots.
Well I guess its The Lakers vs Spurs for the Western Conference Finals (Wednesday)
Go Lakers again !!! Get Rid of these Spurs once and for all for Good!
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I was really rooting for the Hornets. I would have loved to see a Lakers-NO Hornets match up. Spurs are going to be tough and tough on the Lakers, but at least we go in with some rest. Hopefully Kobe's back is better.
[quote name='Soodmeg']ing pargo.
Again. How Chris Paul didnt win MVP is beyond me. Its very clear that he is the only thing on that team that can come through in the clutch. Replace him with anyone else and you have just a bunch of rag tag ringers.
Peja jacking up threes for no reason. Pargo although he was on at the end is every hit or miss and shouldnt be jacking up quick shots all over the place.
Mo pete completely off
Peja completely off
David West although great cant seem to close a game.
And having the worst 2nd seen coach in the history of the NBA. Fire this dumbass. How many god damn times are you going to double and let the spurs shoot 3s all over the court. It was clear very early on that T-chan could guard Tim Ducan 1 on 1. Yet you spend half the series getting completely killed by open 3s. Your team cant rotate yet you still run the same defense.
I hate Byron Scott and I knew with him at the helm no matter how good they did he couldnt coach well enough to close out.
Bah.[/QUOTE]
Paul made a few mistakes in the fourth. Bad passes and what not. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have been considered for MVP, but your comment of him being the only one coming through in the clutch is a bit much. Paul played sub par tonight. He was 8 for 18 from the field and 2 for 5 from the free throw line. He also lead the team in turnovers with 4. So them losing is as much his fault as anyone else's. I don't understand how you can fault Byron Scott. This team played well under him and blew out the Spurs the first 3 games in NO. He just stuck to what was working.
The team shot just above 40% and 4-17 from 3. It's not Byron's fault they couldn't hit open jumpers and were taking bad shots. The Spurs shot under 40%. Yeah the threes hurt them but shooting under 40%, Scotts D had to be working a little.
ing pargo. Again. How Chris Paul didnt win MVP is beyond me. Its very clear that he is the only thing on that team that can come through in the clutch. Replace him with anyone else and you have just a bunch of rag tag ringers.
Peja jacking up threes for no reason. Pargo although he was on at the end is every hit or miss and shouldnt be jacking up quick shots all over the place.
Mo pete completely off
Peja completely off
David West although great cant seem to close a game.
And having the worst 2nd seen coach in the history of the NBA. Fire this dumbass. How many god damn times are you going to double and let the spurs shoot 3s all over the court. It was clear very early on that T-chan could guard Tim Ducan 1 on 1. Yet you spend half the series getting completely killed by open 3s. Your team cant rotate yet you still run the same defense.
I hate Byron Scott and I knew with him at the helm no matter how good they did he couldnt coach well enough to close out.
Bah.[/QUOTE]
Paul made a few mistakes in the fourth. Bad passes and what not. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have been considered for MVP, but your comment of him being the only one coming through in the clutch is a bit much. Paul played sub par tonight. He was 8 for 18 from the field and 2 for 5 from the free throw line. He also lead the team in turnovers with 4. So them losing is as much his fault as anyone else's. I don't understand how you can fault Byron Scott. This team played well under him and blew out the Spurs the first 3 games in NO. He just stuck to what was working.
The team shot just above 40% and 4-17 from 3. It's not Byron's fault they couldn't hit open jumpers and were taking bad shots. The Spurs shot under 40%. Yeah the threes hurt them but shooting under 40%, Scotts D had to be working a little.
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[quote name='DomLando']Paul made a few mistakes in the fourth. Bad passes and what not. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have been considered for MVP, but your comment of him being the only one coming through in the clutch is a bit much. Paul played sub par tonight. He was 8 for 18 from the field and 2 for 5 from the free throw line. He also lead the team in turnovers with 4. So them losing is as much his fault as anyone else's. I don't understand how you can fault Byron Scott. This team played well under him and blew out the Spurs the first 3 games in NO. He just stuck to what was working.
The team shot just above 40% and 4-17 from 3. It's not Byron's fault they couldn't hit open jumpers and were taking bad shots. The Spurs shot under 40%. Yeah the threes hurt them but shooting under 40%, Scotts D had to be working a little.[/quote]
Ummm. Isnt the MVP award a REGULAR SEASON AWARD? It shouldnt really matter what he did 4 weeks into the play offs. I am saying this. Paul struggled in that game and guess what? Every one else did also. When you are talking about Most valuable player to either the league or a team this guy stands alone. Either he runs the complete show and has a perfect game (which he did like 95% of the regular season) or the NO struggle like hell because they have no one else but him.
Also? Please dont mention turnovers when talking about Chris Paul. The guy has like a +50 Turnover to Assist ratio.
If Kobe struggles, Pau Gasol can easily hit 30...Odem could easily hit 20..Bynum (whenever the hell he gets back) could easily go for 20/10. They also have a coach with more rings than fingers backing them. Not to mention role players of plenty.
West has proved that although great cant really make a game for himself. He missed a ton of low post shots. Peja = choke. Mo-pete cant get a game going for himself. Bonzi barely plays. Pargo...bah. Etc etc. Its basically Chris Paul or nothing.
Bah but enough of that.
On to Byron Scott. It is indeed Byron Scotts fault. Look at his track record. He simply doesnt close in big games. He went to the finals twice.....lost both times. Other than the 2 final appearances his teams never made the play offs until now. He also didnt even coach a team in the 04-05 season. Also I am not blaming him for people missing their open shots..that would be stupid.
But it is is fault for never constantly going back to the same defense that clearly wasnt working. How many times will you clearly double Tim Ducan and let him pass out for an completely open 3? I dont have it on me now but I would love to see how many 3's were let up by NO in this series. Thinking back I can remember Horry hitting 2 open 3s. Parker hitting a couple mid range and ginflopi hitting at least 2.
As a coach to have to find a way to play solid defense WITHOUT exposing a huge gaping hole every time. T-Chan looked very solid playing defense 1 on 1 with Tim ducan. I saw no reason to constantly double him and let them shoot threes Maybe if they were missing them...but they were not. They were hitting 90% of them.
Also as a coach. Even though Pargo was on at the end...you have to settle a him down. You cant let someone like Pargo think that he can take over a game in the 4th when you are down. I remember in the 3rd there was a span of like 5 or 6 NO possessions that were just horrid. Just simply horrid. I think Peja jacked up 2 3s. I remember Pargo although making it..shooting a extremely quick shot.
Bottom line. There were many times in the series that you could tell that Byron tactics where "Hope to god Chris Paul can make a play." Do you ever notice how NO never run a "sure 2" play. Like a backdoor screen for what should be an easy lay up. They pretty much just hope that chris can take 2 or 3 people and dish it off.
The team shot just above 40% and 4-17 from 3. It's not Byron's fault they couldn't hit open jumpers and were taking bad shots. The Spurs shot under 40%. Yeah the threes hurt them but shooting under 40%, Scotts D had to be working a little.[/quote]
Ummm. Isnt the MVP award a REGULAR SEASON AWARD? It shouldnt really matter what he did 4 weeks into the play offs. I am saying this. Paul struggled in that game and guess what? Every one else did also. When you are talking about Most valuable player to either the league or a team this guy stands alone. Either he runs the complete show and has a perfect game (which he did like 95% of the regular season) or the NO struggle like hell because they have no one else but him.
Also? Please dont mention turnovers when talking about Chris Paul. The guy has like a +50 Turnover to Assist ratio.
If Kobe struggles, Pau Gasol can easily hit 30...Odem could easily hit 20..Bynum (whenever the hell he gets back) could easily go for 20/10. They also have a coach with more rings than fingers backing them. Not to mention role players of plenty.
West has proved that although great cant really make a game for himself. He missed a ton of low post shots. Peja = choke. Mo-pete cant get a game going for himself. Bonzi barely plays. Pargo...bah. Etc etc. Its basically Chris Paul or nothing.
Bah but enough of that.
On to Byron Scott. It is indeed Byron Scotts fault. Look at his track record. He simply doesnt close in big games. He went to the finals twice.....lost both times. Other than the 2 final appearances his teams never made the play offs until now. He also didnt even coach a team in the 04-05 season. Also I am not blaming him for people missing their open shots..that would be stupid.
But it is is fault for never constantly going back to the same defense that clearly wasnt working. How many times will you clearly double Tim Ducan and let him pass out for an completely open 3? I dont have it on me now but I would love to see how many 3's were let up by NO in this series. Thinking back I can remember Horry hitting 2 open 3s. Parker hitting a couple mid range and ginflopi hitting at least 2.
As a coach to have to find a way to play solid defense WITHOUT exposing a huge gaping hole every time. T-Chan looked very solid playing defense 1 on 1 with Tim ducan. I saw no reason to constantly double him and let them shoot threes Maybe if they were missing them...but they were not. They were hitting 90% of them.
Also as a coach. Even though Pargo was on at the end...you have to settle a him down. You cant let someone like Pargo think that he can take over a game in the 4th when you are down. I remember in the 3rd there was a span of like 5 or 6 NO possessions that were just horrid. Just simply horrid. I think Peja jacked up 2 3s. I remember Pargo although making it..shooting a extremely quick shot.
Bottom line. There were many times in the series that you could tell that Byron tactics where "Hope to god Chris Paul can make a play." Do you ever notice how NO never run a "sure 2" play. Like a backdoor screen for what should be an easy lay up. They pretty much just hope that chris can take 2 or 3 people and dish it off.
Paul has some pretty good guys around him. He's not like Lebron, where Lebron has no help. West Peja, Chandler, Mo Pete, and others. West is a future all-star. You are making it like it was all on Paul. Which is was not. Pargo was rushing shots. But he made some big plays at the end. Everyone on the Hornets seemed reluctant to shoot. They seemed like a team that has never been to a Game 7 (which obviously they were). The Spurs have been around the block and it showed last night. Superstars need to play like the superstar they are on the big stage and Paul did not last night. All I was saying is, it was as much as Paul's fault Last Night, as it was Pargo and everyone else.
On to Scott. I can understand wanting to put the blame on him. But when you blow a team out 3 games on your home court, you want him to change what he did? The defense held the Spurs to under 40% shooting which is fantastic. When you hold a team that low, even if they are making some threes, it shouldn't matter. The Hornets offense is to blame. Shooting just above 40% and going 4 for 17 from the three point line is pretty bad. You know Scott will not get fired for this. And his teams he took to the finals were totally outmatched. The Hornets are young. They will be back in this spot soon enough, and will now have more experience.
On to Scott. I can understand wanting to put the blame on him. But when you blow a team out 3 games on your home court, you want him to change what he did? The defense held the Spurs to under 40% shooting which is fantastic. When you hold a team that low, even if they are making some threes, it shouldn't matter. The Hornets offense is to blame. Shooting just above 40% and going 4 for 17 from the three point line is pretty bad. You know Scott will not get fired for this. And his teams he took to the finals were totally outmatched. The Hornets are young. They will be back in this spot soon enough, and will now have more experience.
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[quote name='DomLando']Paul has some pretty good guys around him. He's not like Lebron, where Lebron has no help. West Peja, Chandler, Mo Pete, and others. West is a future all-star. You are making it like it was all on Paul. Which is was not. Pargo was rushing shots. But he made some big plays at the end. Everyone on the Hornets seemed reluctant to shoot. They seemed like a team that has never been to a Game 7 (which obviously they were). The Spurs have been around the block and it showed last night. Superstars need to play like the superstar they are on the big stage and Paul did not last night. All I was saying is, it was as much as Paul's fault Last Night, as it was Pargo and everyone else.
On to Scott. I can understand wanting to put the blame on him. But when you blow a team out 3 games on your home court, you want him to change what he did? The defense held the Spurs to under 40% shooting which is fantastic. When you hold a team that low, even if they are making some threes, it shouldn't matter. The Hornets offense is to blame. Shooting just above 40% and going 4 for 17 from the three point line is pretty bad. You know Scott will not get fired for this. And his teams he took to the finals were totally outmatched. The Hornets are young. They will be back in this spot soon enough, and will now have more experience.[/quote]
We are going to have to just agree to disagree.
First off. I agree that Paul is not like Bron Bron as he literally has nothing around him. I am very happy with how the season turned out.
But I think you guys are truly and completely OVERRATING the role players on NO. This is coming from a guy who loves the NO who are these "others" you are referring to? I think the problem is that a lot of you guys didnt actually watch NO all year and you dont truly know who is on their team.
David West is pretty much there only legit guy other than Paul and even then he gets most of his points from asst from Paul. Now lets look at the other players. By the way (there is only 4 players that average over 9 points a game on the squad. So lets take off West and Paul that leaves 2 guys on your team that can even get 10 points a game.)
Peja in German equals anit-clutch. no matter what he does at point A...by the time he gets to Z he will have nothing. And be one of the most unreliable players on the team. I dont care if he scores 30....if you need 2 to win the game he is not the player to do it with.
Mo-pete is a very very AVERAGE player. started 77 games...23 min 8ppg 2 rebounds. Other than his points this guy doesnt even have another stat over 1. Do you hear what I am saying? Over 1. He doesnt average over 1 in any other stat. .9 asst. .6 steals .01 blocks. Completely sub par.
Tyson Chandler. Has proved 1 thing and 1 thing only. That he is still that failed project out of Chi town. Again. I like T-chan but just because I like him doesnt mean he is a great player. The guy is like Bazarro Ben Wallace. As he so one dimensional its painful to watch sometimes. All he can do is catch oops. When is the last time you even seen him attempt a jump shot? The guy averages 11 points a game but I will bet a hunski that 10 of those were off oops from Paul. He is a decent defender but he only gets 1 block a game. Hardly considered a stopper.
The others you are referring to?
Pargo is going to be a career back up. Solid player for giving your star PG a break. But you can sub him out for anyone of the 40 back up PG for the same result.
Bonzi Wells barely even plays. He only played 22 games this year. Avg 3.7
Mike James only played 21 games with a huge 2.7ppg to add.
Bulter is alright I guess.
Chris Andersen, Ryan Bowen, Hilton Armstrong, Melvin Ely shouldnt even be mentioned when talking about the NBA.
And thats the entire team. Again. I think the problem is that most people dont really know who is on their team. Because they are not that good.
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On to Byron Scott. The point of a Head Coach is to constantly change and stay on top of your opponent. Just like what you just said and flip it. Pop didnt have a problem changing his defense tactics has he put bowen on Paul.
Basically the bottom line is this. The definition of a bad coach is a person who is unwilling to adapt and change for the good. I dont care if doubling Tim worked a 100 times in a row....if its not working the 101rst time you have to find a way to change it. Also adding some plays into your book would have most likely helped. They rarely ever run any actually plays to anyone other than the pick and roll.
On to Scott. I can understand wanting to put the blame on him. But when you blow a team out 3 games on your home court, you want him to change what he did? The defense held the Spurs to under 40% shooting which is fantastic. When you hold a team that low, even if they are making some threes, it shouldn't matter. The Hornets offense is to blame. Shooting just above 40% and going 4 for 17 from the three point line is pretty bad. You know Scott will not get fired for this. And his teams he took to the finals were totally outmatched. The Hornets are young. They will be back in this spot soon enough, and will now have more experience.[/quote]
We are going to have to just agree to disagree.
First off. I agree that Paul is not like Bron Bron as he literally has nothing around him. I am very happy with how the season turned out.
But I think you guys are truly and completely OVERRATING the role players on NO. This is coming from a guy who loves the NO who are these "others" you are referring to? I think the problem is that a lot of you guys didnt actually watch NO all year and you dont truly know who is on their team.
David West is pretty much there only legit guy other than Paul and even then he gets most of his points from asst from Paul. Now lets look at the other players. By the way (there is only 4 players that average over 9 points a game on the squad. So lets take off West and Paul that leaves 2 guys on your team that can even get 10 points a game.)
Peja in German equals anit-clutch. no matter what he does at point A...by the time he gets to Z he will have nothing. And be one of the most unreliable players on the team. I dont care if he scores 30....if you need 2 to win the game he is not the player to do it with.
Mo-pete is a very very AVERAGE player. started 77 games...23 min 8ppg 2 rebounds. Other than his points this guy doesnt even have another stat over 1. Do you hear what I am saying? Over 1. He doesnt average over 1 in any other stat. .9 asst. .6 steals .01 blocks. Completely sub par.
Tyson Chandler. Has proved 1 thing and 1 thing only. That he is still that failed project out of Chi town. Again. I like T-chan but just because I like him doesnt mean he is a great player. The guy is like Bazarro Ben Wallace. As he so one dimensional its painful to watch sometimes. All he can do is catch oops. When is the last time you even seen him attempt a jump shot? The guy averages 11 points a game but I will bet a hunski that 10 of those were off oops from Paul. He is a decent defender but he only gets 1 block a game. Hardly considered a stopper.
The others you are referring to?
Pargo is going to be a career back up. Solid player for giving your star PG a break. But you can sub him out for anyone of the 40 back up PG for the same result.
Bonzi Wells barely even plays. He only played 22 games this year. Avg 3.7
Mike James only played 21 games with a huge 2.7ppg to add.
Bulter is alright I guess.
Chris Andersen, Ryan Bowen, Hilton Armstrong, Melvin Ely shouldnt even be mentioned when talking about the NBA.
And thats the entire team. Again. I think the problem is that most people dont really know who is on their team. Because they are not that good.
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On to Byron Scott. The point of a Head Coach is to constantly change and stay on top of your opponent. Just like what you just said and flip it. Pop didnt have a problem changing his defense tactics has he put bowen on Paul.
Basically the bottom line is this. The definition of a bad coach is a person who is unwilling to adapt and change for the good. I dont care if doubling Tim worked a 100 times in a row....if its not working the 101rst time you have to find a way to change it. Also adding some plays into your book would have most likely helped. They rarely ever run any actually plays to anyone other than the pick and roll.
[quote name='Dro']This is so awesome the bulls got the #1 pic with 2% chance. I don't know what they can choose to draft though, they already got a descent point guard and small forward.[/quote]
They gotta draft Rose. Hinrich has peaked and a lot of people would like to see him on the next plane out of town.
They gotta draft Rose. Hinrich has peaked and a lot of people would like to see him on the next plane out of town.
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Oh yeah the Bulls got the first pick. I'm so happy right now.
I'm so happy right now.[quote name='Dro']Yeah he hasn't improved mutch, they should draft Rose then in a year start rose and bench kirk[/quote]
Better yet, I think they can get (a little) value for him in the trade market. Remember, his name was being thrown around this season, but the Bulls, being their usual selves, said he wouldn't be traded. Duhon would be fine on the bench.
Better yet, I think they can get (a little) value for him in the trade market. Remember, his name was being thrown around this season, but the Bulls, being their usual selves, said he wouldn't be traded. Duhon would be fine on the bench.
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Overall, I think Kirk Hinrich is good, but I think he's part of the reason for the Bulls dismal season. He wasn't too consistent (had many bad games) and seemed like he lost his passion for basketball IMO.
Also, I want the Bulls to ditch Tyrus Thomas, unless he seems to fit well with a different coach.
Who do other Chicago Bulls fans want as the Bulls coach? I was wanting Avery Johnson, but it seems like he'll be taking time off coaching. I think Brian Shaw may be good (since he's an assistance for Phil Jackson and stuff, and seems like he may be like a Byron Scott type coach).
[quote name='primetime']Better yet, I think they can get (a little) value for him in the trade market. Remember, his name was being thrown around this season, but the Bulls, being their usual selves, said he wouldn't be traded. Duhon would be fine on the bench.[/QUOTE]I like Duhon as a backup.
Also, I want the Bulls to ditch Tyrus Thomas, unless he seems to fit well with a different coach.
Who do other Chicago Bulls fans want as the Bulls coach? I was wanting Avery Johnson, but it seems like he'll be taking time off coaching. I think Brian Shaw may be good (since he's an assistance for Phil Jackson and stuff, and seems like he may be like a Byron Scott type coach).
[quote name='primetime']Better yet, I think they can get (a little) value for him in the trade market. Remember, his name was being thrown around this season, but the Bulls, being their usual selves, said he wouldn't be traded. Duhon would be fine on the bench.[/QUOTE]I like Duhon as a backup.
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Overall, I think Kirk Hinrich is good, but I think he's part of the reason for the Bulls dismal season. He wasn't too consistent (had many bad games) and seemed like he lost his passion for basketball IMO.
Also, I want the Bulls to ditch Tyrus Thomas, unless he seems to fit well with a different coach.
Who do other Chicago Bulls fans want as the Bulls coach? I was wanting Avery Johnson, but it seems like he'll be taking time off coaching. I think Brian Shaw may be good (since he's an assistance for Phil Jackson and stuff, and seems like he may be like a Byron Scott type coach).[/quote]
I was hoping for A. Johnson myself.
Also, I want the Bulls to ditch Tyrus Thomas, unless he seems to fit well with a different coach.
Who do other Chicago Bulls fans want as the Bulls coach? I was wanting Avery Johnson, but it seems like he'll be taking time off coaching. I think Brian Shaw may be good (since he's an assistance for Phil Jackson and stuff, and seems like he may be like a Byron Scott type coach).[/quote]
I was hoping for A. Johnson myself.
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[quote name='primetime']I was hoping for A. Johnson myself.[/QUOTE]Yeah, because I feel he fits the Bulls system well. He's defensive oriented, and has had fantastic records (and a pretty good playoff record too. I'll give him slack for losing to GS (because the coach use to coach the Mavs and pretty much put them together) and the Hornets are pretty good).
Although D'Antoni(sp) got the Knicks job, I just didn't feel he was a guy the Bulls needed. He did a great job with Phoenix, but then the Bulls would have to bring in his assistants maybe, and really change the team around and style (he's heavily offensive oriented). With the Knicks it's okay, because they are in a mess and need to really start over.
I think Skiles will be good for Milwaukee, since he's good with young players. But the only problems with Skiles IMO are he isn't a good playoff coach, and he seems to be good with young players only (not too popular with older players). But I don't see him being a coach there for long (like maybe 3-4 years).
Although D'Antoni(sp) got the Knicks job, I just didn't feel he was a guy the Bulls needed. He did a great job with Phoenix, but then the Bulls would have to bring in his assistants maybe, and really change the team around and style (he's heavily offensive oriented). With the Knicks it's okay, because they are in a mess and need to really start over.
I think Skiles will be good for Milwaukee, since he's good with young players. But the only problems with Skiles IMO are he isn't a good playoff coach, and he seems to be good with young players only (not too popular with older players). But I don't see him being a coach there for long (like maybe 3-4 years).
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[quote name='primetime']They gotta draft Rose. Hinrich has peaked and a lot of people would like to see him on the next plane out of town.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I would like to see them draft Beasley. They need a low post presence.
Eh, I would like to see them draft Beasley. They need a low post presence.
[quote name='jlarlee']Paul Pierce is playing the best ball of his career right now[/QUOTE]
He should be with Allen and Garnett on the team. Though Allen is struggling mightily right now.
I was hoping the Knicks would get lucky and get in the top two in the draft. Bulls got extremely lucky. Good for them though. I think Beasley would fit them better, but whoever they pick should help them.
He should be with Allen and Garnett on the team. Though Allen is struggling mightily right now.
I was hoping the Knicks would get lucky and get in the top two in the draft. Bulls got extremely lucky. Good for them though. I think Beasley would fit them better, but whoever they pick should help them.
Pierce has carried teams on his back, he took the Celtics to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2002. But he's taken his game to an entirely higher level in the playoffs this year. Yes, great players make each other better, but this isn't a case of someone else making him look good.
That pick and roll they've started runnning with Pierce is hard for teams to deal with. And they've started playing Pierce some at the point when Rondo is out of the game so he's handling the ball. The Cavs had all kinds of problems stopping that.
Kendrick Perkins had a great game, too. And for all the Garnett bashers, he was the game's leading scorer with 26 points and 9 rebounds, 4 assists.
That pick and roll they've started runnning with Pierce is hard for teams to deal with. And they've started playing Pierce some at the point when Rondo is out of the game so he's handling the ball. The Cavs had all kinds of problems stopping that.
Kendrick Perkins had a great game, too. And for all the Garnett bashers, he was the game's leading scorer with 26 points and 9 rebounds, 4 assists.
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Alright. I am done talking about NO...I know I have used up to much time on them.
Being from Michigan I actually hope the Pistons lose just to shut up all of the Piston love around here.
Chi town with the first pick?
I dont know what they should do to help that team. They have some talent but they just cant get it together. But they could have stared off by not drafting JoKiim Noah.
Being from Michigan I actually hope the Pistons lose just to shut up all of the Piston love around here.
Chi town with the first pick?
I dont know what they should do to help that team. They have some talent but they just cant get it together. But they could have stared off by not drafting JoKiim Noah.
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I understand that Rose is a Chi-Town kid, but the Bulls have to take Beasley.
They have 0 post-presence, Thomas is a bust, and Noah is more a 7th/8th man off the bench.
Maybe try and trade Thomas for something, I know Deng didn't re-up so he'll be a UFA.
The Pistons just didn't flip the switch tonight, add to the fact that Rasheed Wallace is the biggest waste of talent i've ever seen in one player next to Darius Miles.
Wallace can shoot the 3, back anyone down in the lowpost and all he does is just chuck up 3's like their's 5 seconds left in the quarter.
They have 0 post-presence, Thomas is a bust, and Noah is more a 7th/8th man off the bench.
Maybe try and trade Thomas for something, I know Deng didn't re-up so he'll be a UFA.
The Pistons just didn't flip the switch tonight, add to the fact that Rasheed Wallace is the biggest waste of talent i've ever seen in one player next to Darius Miles.
Wallace can shoot the 3, back anyone down in the lowpost and all he does is just chuck up 3's like their's 5 seconds left in the quarter.
[quote name='ph33r m3']The Pistons just didn't flip the switch tonight, add to the fact that Rasheed Wallace is the biggest waste of talent i've ever seen in one player next to Darius Miles.
Wallace can shoot the 3, back anyone down in the lowpost and all he does is just chuck up 3's like their's 5 seconds left in the quarter.[/QUOTE]
He can't guard KG either, that matchup is going to kill the Pistons. Plus, Billups isn't 100% and can't keep up with Rondo. On top of that, they're running the offense through Pierce and he's playing the best basketball of his career.
The Pistons have to keep getting to the line, and hope the fatigue forces the C's 2nd unit in more often, though the bench is playing pretty well.
Wallace can shoot the 3, back anyone down in the lowpost and all he does is just chuck up 3's like their's 5 seconds left in the quarter.[/QUOTE]
He can't guard KG either, that matchup is going to kill the Pistons. Plus, Billups isn't 100% and can't keep up with Rondo. On top of that, they're running the offense through Pierce and he's playing the best basketball of his career.
The Pistons have to keep getting to the line, and hope the fatigue forces the C's 2nd unit in more often, though the bench is playing pretty well.
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[quote name='dafoomie']He can't guard KG either, that matchup is going to kill the Pistons. Plus, Billups isn't 100% and can't keep up with Rondo. On top of that, they're running the offense through Pierce and he's playing the best basketball of his career.
The Pistons have to keep getting to the line, and hope the fatigue forces the C's 2nd unit in more often, though the bench is playing pretty well.[/quote]
I wouldn't worry about KG if i'm Sheed, he'll pull his typical choke job.
Pierce is playing out of his mind right now and if i'm Rivers I seriously consider starting House over Allen. I like Ray Allen, I really do, he's just lost his confidence fast.
Put Rondo/House together, let House run to keep up with Hamilton who runs over 12312312 miles in one game.
The Pistons have to keep getting to the line, and hope the fatigue forces the C's 2nd unit in more often, though the bench is playing pretty well.[/quote]
I wouldn't worry about KG if i'm Sheed, he'll pull his typical choke job.
Pierce is playing out of his mind right now and if i'm Rivers I seriously consider starting House over Allen. I like Ray Allen, I really do, he's just lost his confidence fast.
Put Rondo/House together, let House run to keep up with Hamilton who runs over 12312312 miles in one game.
[quote name='ph33r m3']I wouldn't worry about KG if i'm Sheed, he'll pull his typical choke job.
Pierce is playing out of his mind right now and if i'm Rivers I seriously consider starting House over Allen. I like Ray Allen, I really do, he's just lost his confidence fast.
Put Rondo/House together, let House run to keep up with Hamilton who runs over 12312312 miles in one game.[/QUOTE]
KG played well today, I don't understand where you and these other people are coming from. I've wanted him to shoot more at times, and he did today, but I've been happy with his performance in these playoffs. Regardless, Sheed has no chance against KG.
Ray Allen still wasn't shooting but he was contributing in other ways. I think they'll keep House with the 2nd unit so they'll have at least one shooter on the floor. I'm happy they've benched Sam Cassell, who has been worthless.
Pierce is playing out of his mind right now and if i'm Rivers I seriously consider starting House over Allen. I like Ray Allen, I really do, he's just lost his confidence fast.
Put Rondo/House together, let House run to keep up with Hamilton who runs over 12312312 miles in one game.[/QUOTE]
KG played well today, I don't understand where you and these other people are coming from. I've wanted him to shoot more at times, and he did today, but I've been happy with his performance in these playoffs. Regardless, Sheed has no chance against KG.
Ray Allen still wasn't shooting but he was contributing in other ways. I think they'll keep House with the 2nd unit so they'll have at least one shooter on the floor. I'm happy they've benched Sam Cassell, who has been worthless.
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[quote name='dafoomie']KG played well today, I don't understand where you and these other people are coming from. I've wanted him to shoot more at times, and he did today, but I've been happy with his performance in these playoffs. Regardless, Sheed has no chance against KG.
Ray Allen still wasn't shooting but he was contributing in other ways. I think they'll keep House with the 2nd unit so they'll have at least one shooter on the floor. I'm happy they've benched Sam Cassell, who has been worthless.[/quote]
KG played well, but what's got to be a huge worry for the Celtics is let's say Pierce doesn't play out of his mind, game is close, coming down to the end, KG isn't going to take that shot.
That's why that Hawks series was so close IMO, Pierce didn't play 'huge' which led to KG having to take over the game, which he can't do.
Ray Allen still wasn't shooting but he was contributing in other ways. I think they'll keep House with the 2nd unit so they'll have at least one shooter on the floor. I'm happy they've benched Sam Cassell, who has been worthless.[/quote]
KG played well, but what's got to be a huge worry for the Celtics is let's say Pierce doesn't play out of his mind, game is close, coming down to the end, KG isn't going to take that shot.
That's why that Hawks series was so close IMO, Pierce didn't play 'huge' which led to KG having to take over the game, which he can't do.
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[quote name='dafoomie']KG played well today, I don't understand where you and these other people are coming from. I've wanted him to shoot more at times, and he did today, but I've been happy with his performance in these playoffs. Regardless, Sheed has no chance against KG.
Ray Allen still wasn't shooting but he was contributing in other ways. I think they'll keep House with the 2nd unit so they'll have at least one shooter on the floor. I'm happy they've benched Sam Cassell, who has been worthless.[/quote]
True. Again as a Michigan person I am forced to watch and listen to a lot of Piston talk.
Sheed is indeed the biggest waste of talent I think i ever had to watch. Sir Charles Barkley said it best. Sheed could be the top 3 player in the history of the game. He can dribble, pass, shoot from anywhere on the court, has a post game, mid game, long game, rebound, play defense. When he is on he is most he is next to impossible to stop. But guess what? He is also one of the laziest.
Watching the pistons just kinda bores me. I am sick of there "flip a switch" mentality. To be honest....no they are not good enough to just flip a switch and win whenever they want. They are in the East so being average will net you a good play off spot.
Here is what I dont get and if anyone else knows the answer to this feel free. What the hell happened to Amir Johnson? The Pistons claim this guy is the greatest PF to ever step foot on a court. Never even sees time. Neither does Hayes. Hayes is a great role player and they never use him either.
Ray Allen still wasn't shooting but he was contributing in other ways. I think they'll keep House with the 2nd unit so they'll have at least one shooter on the floor. I'm happy they've benched Sam Cassell, who has been worthless.[/quote]
True. Again as a Michigan person I am forced to watch and listen to a lot of Piston talk.
Sheed is indeed the biggest waste of talent I think i ever had to watch. Sir Charles Barkley said it best. Sheed could be the top 3 player in the history of the game. He can dribble, pass, shoot from anywhere on the court, has a post game, mid game, long game, rebound, play defense. When he is on he is most he is next to impossible to stop. But guess what? He is also one of the laziest.
Watching the pistons just kinda bores me. I am sick of there "flip a switch" mentality. To be honest....no they are not good enough to just flip a switch and win whenever they want. They are in the East so being average will net you a good play off spot.
Here is what I dont get and if anyone else knows the answer to this feel free. What the hell happened to Amir Johnson? The Pistons claim this guy is the greatest PF to ever step foot on a court. Never even sees time. Neither does Hayes. Hayes is a great role player and they never use him either.
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