The "Rated R Superstar" Edge's Wrestling Thread

[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Damn that match ruled. If that was RVD's last WWE match, he went out in a great match.[/QUOTE]
It was good from RVD's end. The only time I enjoyed it was when RVD took bumps.

Other than that, it was by the numbers and way too '80s WWF.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']That will prove very tricky as his comic store closed last year.[/QUOTE]

I thought it just moved to a smaller location?
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']So did Ray Charles. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah.

How else would they have put Carlito over as a heel even more?

Super obvious.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']A Master Lock Challange, jeez.

I thought that crap was dead.:roll:[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I thought an American soldier in Iraq broke that gimmick.
 
[quote name='Brak']Yeah. I thought an American soldier in Iraq broke that gimmick.[/QUOTE]

They just pretended that never happened, thank God. Lashley's was the first person to "officially" break it.

Masters needs to beat Santino for the title, stat.
 
[quote name='Brak']Yeah. I thought an American soldier in Iraq broke that gimmick.[/QUOTE]

If it weren't for the fact that the Masterlock has been made irrelevant several times over, and the very obvious problem that Marella and Masters have had two televised singles matches in the past month, then it would be a nice midcard feud. As it stands, though, why would I care to see them wrestle again when Marella's already beat him twice?
 
[quote name='Matt Young']True, true.

That Umaga/Khali exchange was awesome.[/quote]

Heh, it was like Boomhauer from King of the Hill talking to Ms. Othmar from Charlie Brown. :lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']If it weren't for the fact that the Masterlock has been made irrelevant several times over, and the very obvious problem that Marella and Masters have had two televised singles matches in the past month, then it would be a nice midcard feud. As it stands, though, why would I care to see them wrestle again when Marella's already beat him twice?[/quote]
Just wait til Masters' next feud against Little Guido.


God i love the whole Lets go Cena, Cena sucks chant. They need to just give Orton the title, he got so much more of a pop than Cena did.
 
Updated card for One Night Stand, taking place this Sunday night.

WWE Championship Match
Falls Count Anywhere
(C) John Cena vs. The Great Khali

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Steel Cage
(C) Edge vs. Batista

ECW Championship Match
Street Fight
(C) Mr. McMahon vs. Bobby Lashley

WWE Tag Team Championship Match
Ladder Match
(C) The Hardys vs. World's Greatest Tag Team
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We'll probably see another Smackdown title match (either MVP's or Londrick), a CM Punk match (possibly an interbrand tag or six man), and maybe a random diva match. I think 7 matches fills the card, espescially if they're gimmick matches. Maybe an old school strap match for the US Title?
 
Well myke... you did say if three matches were announced for ONS that would be a step up from last year right? ;)

(Even if only one on the card is actually a fully new match compared to the last PPV)
 
Pretty sure he meant D2D. I remember ONS having quite a few matches announced last year before it was put on. (angle/orton, RVD/Cena come immediately to mind)
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Pretty sure he meant D2D. I remember ONS having quite a few matches announced last year before it was put on.[/QUOTE]

Your right. Its easy to forget D2D ever happened given how shitty it was. Plus the fact that I'm falling asleep while typing this.
 
guess the best part of ecw right now will be leaving soon...


One competitor with an optimistic outlook is ECW Superstar CM Punk, who said, “it is fresh, it is shocking and it could change the landscape of sports-entertainment.” Punk then said, “I would love to tangle with a lot of guys on different shows, so I would love to go to Raw or SmackDown to test myself against some of their champions.”
 
the only thing entertaining really was during the orton rvd match.. orton put rvd in a headlock and there was a guy in the first row during the match holding a sign saying "Another Headlock Orton?"
 
looked through raw again and brooke booby pop was not clearly seen on tv.. you can only see a bad small side shot and you see her obviously fix her bra..
 
The three highlights of RAW were...

1) RVD's terrific overselling of the RKO
2) The epic promo with Great Khali and Umaga
3) The fact that we'll now get a Hardys vs WGTT ladder match at ONS. The PPV might be worth watching just for that.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I thought it just moved to a smaller location?[/quote]

A little searching reveals little to answer our question here...

http://www.yelp.com/biz/cYBW_Dk6KkfTKn9nbzq4iA

The page won't load for me, maybe it will for you. The text on the search engine page suggested he had moved, but perhaps he moved to this location and then closed up alltogether? I am not certain.
 
[quote name='JJSP']We'll probably see another Smackdown title match (either MVP's or Londrick), a CM Punk match (possibly an interbrand tag or six man), and maybe a random diva match. I think 7 matches fills the card, espescially if they're gimmick matches. Maybe an old school strap match for the US Title?[/quote]

A final match between MVP and Benoit would be good. With MVP going over to finish their feud.

[quote name='guyver2077']guess the best part of ecw right now will be leaving soon...


One competitor with an optimistic outlook is ECW Superstar CM Punk, who said, “it is fresh, it is shocking and it could change the landscape of sports-entertainment.” Punk then said, “I would love to tangle with a lot of guys on different shows, so I would love to go to Raw or SmackDown to test myself against some of their champions.”[/quote]

Ya, but we all already knew RVD was leaving ;)
 
[quote name='Brak']It was good from RVD's end. The only time I enjoyed it was when RVD took bumps.

Other than that, it was by the numbers and way too '80s WWF.[/QUOTE]

C'mon, now...like Rob Base and DJ EZ Rock said, "It takes two to make a thing go right." Give Orton credit for that match. It's funny that people give him shit for headlocks; while he uses a lot of restholds, he does put more into his restholds than some guys put into their entire moveset. That said, I don't care for Orton much at all, save for the fact that he fucks up whatever he wants, and is getting a megapush out of necessity at this point. But don't act like RVD was getting a 3-4 star match out of a broomstick.
 
Doug E Fresh.

Speaking of old school hip-hop, who was it that was training to become a pro wrestler just a year or so ago? Whatever became of them?

EDIT: Ah, it was Melle Mel from Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']WcW proved that hip hop and wrestling don't mix...Master P and the No Limit Soldier... horrid...[/quote]Most music gimmicks don't work IMO. THe Honky Tonk Man being the most notable exception to that rule.


Also, Doug E. Fresh is awesome. :)
 
You're gonna put "Make 'em say unh!" up against "The Message" and "White Lines?"

I'll give Mel more credibility than that; besides, the pop culture kick for Mel died 25 years ago, man. No Limit was used because they were contemporary. I could see Mel holding his own as a wrestler without having to resort to his past. If he's any good, that is.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']C'mon, now...like Rob Base and DJ EZ Rock said, "It takes two to make a thing go right." Give Orton credit for that match. It's funny that people give him shit for headlocks; while he uses a lot of restholds, he does put more into his restholds than some guys put into their entire moveset. That said, I don't care for Orton much at all, save for the fact that he fucks up whatever he wants, and is getting a megapush out of necessity at this point. But don't act like RVD was getting a 3-4 star match out of a broomstick.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying RVD made the match amazing, or anything. I'm saying that Orton looked really lazy / sloppy. Like he was physically saying, "I am going to run to the corner now", "I am going to scoop slam you now" -- just looked really slow.

While Rob Van Dam looked stoned, after the "concussion", Orton looked like he was wrestling under the influence of downers.
 
I think Rob Van Dam had more to prove - while he was a true professional in his last WWE match, he also had a point to prove: "this is what you fuckers missed out on for fucking me around so much."

Here's the politics of the WWE: RVD got arrested with marijuana and has been in the doghouse since. He's been in no substantial feuds, had no meaningful wins, and gets to job to Snitsky - fucking SNITSKY! - almost a year later. Now, imagine you're RVD, and you have to go out and fight Randy Orton - a man who caused $30,000 of damage to a hotel room, shits in bags, is accused in the Sports Illustrated steroid scandal article, and is a general nuisance to be around - not to even begin discussing his "high impact restholds" wrestling style. Yet Orton is in major feuds, consistently near the top of the card, got to feud with Undertaker last year, and looks poised for a title feud again shortly. He is also winning the majority of these high profile matches.

Imagine how you'd feel if you were RVD and saw that kind of bullshit favoritism at work. "Step up," indeed. :roll:
 
Not to mention the irony of RVD being stripped of his title and suspended for smoking marijuana -- and WWE being totally aware that Orton smokes grass.

That was a poetic final match, which unintentionally paralleled WWE's fabulous logic.
 
Orton is just lucky he's a superstar in the making and all the current main eventers are getting injured.

The WWE is in a weird position where they can't fire him and can't push him down.

- edit [quote name='Brak']Not to mention the irony of RVD being stripped of his title and suspended for smoking marijuana -- and WWE being totally aware that Orton smokes grass.[/QUOTE]

The difference is RVD got arrested while holding the title.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Most music gimmicks don't work IMO. THe Honky Tonk Man being the most notable exception to that rule.


Also, Doug E. Fresh is awesome. :)[/quote]

C'mon you didn't want to ride the Lex-Express after Men on a Mission urged you to do so? :lol:

WWE.com had an article up the other day about Viscera, wondering why he's still Viscera and not Mable. Basically the article pointed out how Mable was the rap guy with Oscar and Mo, then King Mable before leaving the WWE. Upon his return he was sacrificed by Taker's Ministry (APA). Now years later (christ nearly a decade later) he's still Viscera! What the hell? Plus instead of being the sacrificed zombie-Vis, he's the sex-crazed world's largest lover. Just makes no sense.

Furthermore how did the APA go from being the Undertaker's Acolytes to the beer drinking, card playing, redneck bodyguards for hire?

Really, it all makes no sense... DAMN!
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Music gimmicks don't work you say ??

I think someone has forgotten "the Real Double J" :)[/quote]

Wasn't as awesome as The Honky Tonk man though IMO.

And Orton? It's all about the game, and how you play it...:roll:
 
[quote name='Sporadic']The difference is RVD got arrested while holding the title.[/QUOTE]
The point is that WWE's wellness plan is a sham.
 
An observer article on why Ariel was released:

Shelly "Ariel" Martinez's release was a bit of a surprise to most since she was on television weekly. The main reason given for her release was that the people making the decisions didn't think she had "the right look," which is kind of a nice way of saying that she wasn't pretty enough in the eyes of one Vincent Kennedy McMahon.

McMahon was negative on using her from the start because she didn't have the typical model look that he likes. However, Paul Heyman sold him on her because she did a good job playing her gimmick while she was in Ohio Valley Wresling. When Heyman left, she lost her biggest supporter, although she managed to stick around for several more months. Also, Vince doesn't understand "goth" characters, so that didn't help her cause. However, it looks like Kevin Thorn will be staying on the roster in his role, which kind of makes this release all the more surprising.

Stephanie McMahon's rise to power caused all the marginal talent to be re-evaluated, and that's why a bunch of talent were let go in a matter of days. Also, she wasn't warm to any idea that originally came from Paul Heyman, Stephanie's arch nemesis. So well, that definitely didn't help Ariel's cause either.

There were some reports last week that Ariel's release was due to an incident with Batista at the SmackDown tapings in Baltimore. Sources saying that they had an argument, but she wasn't released due to the specific incident, although it probably didn't help matters.

The deal with Batista is that he's the "starting quarterback on the football team" and WWE consists of a bunch of people who are still living in high school. Batista is a star, gets tons of women while on the road, and is very outspoken at times, especially at some of the women on the roster. Most of the women on the roster don't say anything back to him, but in the WWE environment, it doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong whenever a conflict may arise, all that matters is who is higher up on the totem pole. In Martinez's case, the story goes that Batista tried to pull something on her, and she would have nothing of it. She made some comments back to Batista, which probably was a bad move politically. In the WWE environment, he's seen as a big star, and she's just seen as easily replaceable eye candy
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Basically it's because Vince is gay, literally.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']
Basically it's because Vince is gay, literally.[/quote]

I think Vince has a very "basic" idea of whats entertaining. I get the impression all the skits he likes are the really juvenile crap, like the Trump/Rosie thing. Probably a good thing when it comes to appealing to the 5-12 year old male demographic which seems to be the WWE's main focus at the moment.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']I think Vince has a very "basic" idea of whats entertaining.[/QUOTE]

Given the number of "misses" he had in the mid-1990's, which led to the massive appeal of a more contemporary product in ECW, I don't know that I'd agree with you. However, since he tends to stick to what's appealing to the average bear, I'd also agree with you.

If he doesn't realize that there's room in the market for both Playboy *and* Suicide Girls, then that's his loss, and his company's loss.

It doesn't explain, then, why they kept Lita, who had a face like a 50 year old trucker.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Given the number of "misses" he had in the mid-1990's, which led to the massive appeal of a more contemporary product in ECW, I don't know that I'd agree with you. However, since he tends to stick to what's appealing to the average bear, I'd also agree with you.

If he doesn't realize that there's room in the market for both Playboy *and* Suicide Girls, then that's his loss, and his company's loss.

It doesn't explain, then, why they kept Lita, who had a face like a 50 year old trucker.[/quote]

It's my loss too dammit. Ariel was one of the brighter spots on ECW. I thought her look was very unique for WWE, and definitely in a good way.
 
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