The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

[quote name='cindersphere']Wow, did not think Alan Greenspan would get a shout out.[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised that Paul spoke against him because Greenspan is a fellow Randroid.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I'm surprised that Paul spoke against him because Greenspan is a fellow Randroid.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but he did piss off a lot of Rand supporters with his support of the gold standard and pushing a lot of Rands ideas to the side when he was chairmen. I was more surprised he chose Volker tbh, considering Volkers stance on regulating the economy and the fact that Volker has criticized Paul recently.

Kinda feel the thing was a wash, just confirmed Huntsman/Bachman are DOA, and the Perry is not far behind. I kinda am wondering what next weeks flavor of the month will be in this republican primary run.
 
Highlight of the debate: Santorum doesn't want a trade war with China, he wants a WAR with China!:rofl:

Oh yeah...and Bachmann said that "the devil is in the details" in regards to Cain's 9-9-9 plan...cause it's really 666...lolz.

[quote name='cindersphere']Maybe, but he did piss off a lot of Rand supporters with his support of the gold standard and pushing a lot of Rands ideas to the side when he was chairmen. I was more surprised he chose Volker tbh, considering Volkers stance on regulating the economy and the fact that Volker has criticized Paul recently.

Kinda feel the thing was a wash, just confirmed Huntsman/Bachman are DOA, and the Perry is not far behind. I kinda am wondering what next weeks flavor of the month will be in this republican primary run.[/QUOTE]
I'll defer to you on the Rand thing, but I agree that Huntsman and Bachmann are done. I'm not sure how to feel about Perry though. He's my wildcard pick above Cain because as we all know, Republicans don't really like black people; they just tolerate them.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Highlight of the debate: Santorum doesn't want a trade war with China, he wants a WAR with China!:rofl:[/QUOTE]

Wait, what exactly did he say?
 
"I don't want a trade-war with China...I want to beat China...I want to have a war with China..." in regards to bringing manufacturing jobs back. I know it's a little out of context, but I just thought it was hilarious.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Let's have some context on what "huge" means:

Personal income: 3% raised to 5%(+2%)
Corporate tax: 4.8% raised to 7%(+2.2)

If a 2.2% hike on taxes based on PROFIT causes a 1% state-wide hike in unemployment(feel free to find the actual numbers), The problems go deeper than taxation within that state.

edit: Not to mention how taxes in general are the lowest they've been in over 30 years. We had higher taxes under Reagan.[/QUOTE]

Depends on how you look at those numbers.
Personal income from 3% to 5% - a 66% increase.
Corporate tax from 4.8% to 7% - a 46% increase.

Now, add in the 2.5% corporate personal property tax and you end up with an effective rate of 9.5% - one of the highest in the country. (http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/corp_inc.pdf)

So, you operate a business in Illinois. You're in a state that's constantly rated in the top 5 (almost always in the top 10) for being unfriendly to business. You've got a state government that has proven time and time again to be corrupt - and that only cares about what goes on in one of the 102 counties in the state. Your business taxes just went up. You're probably a fairly well off individual, so your personal taxes just went up. You're being courted by neighboring states to relocate there (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2011/01/indiana-and-wisconsin.html)... Yeah, you're correct, this state has a whole lot of issues... but the tax increases sure didn't help things.
 
So I know this is not a represented official but I still have to share this(and it was not worthy of its own topic). I was debating with what I figured was just another conservative the other day. I was very surprised because the guy was being incredibly respectful and while I did not agree with much of what he was saying he did raise some good points. All of a sudden out of left field he hits me with the comment that if we want people to learn the value of the dollar and a good work ethic then we need to get rid of child labor laws. That if Children had to work again they would learn how to handle/respect money while filling jobs that the rest of us dont want to work.

Turns out the guy was a libertarian. Iv just decided that libertarians are the Japanese of the political world. By this I mean incredibly fucking smart people who just do and say the craziest shit. You will look at what the Japanese do with education, robotics and other fields and are just astounded.......and then you see a bukkake video and a Japanese man wearing life boat underwear and realize the brilliance comes from the craziness. Libertarians are the exact same...90% of the libertarians I meet are brilliant fucking people who could run intellectual circles around most people.......but they just believe and do the craziest fucking shit.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Iv just decided that libertarians are the Japanese of the political world. By this I mean incredibly fucking smart people who just do and say the craziest shit. You will look at what the Japanese do with education, robotics and other fields and are just astounded.......and then you see a bukkake video and a Japanese man wearing life boat underwear and realize the brilliance comes from the craziness.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='dohdough']Another Republican debate tonight. This time it's in NH and starts at 8pm EST. They need to start having these debates on weekends so I can join in the drinking games...lolz.

http://www.bloomberg.com/tv

http://washingtonpost.com/debate

edit: added links[/QUOTE]

Christ man, why wait till the weekend to drink?

My personal favourites are the 999 plan being the 666 plan. Just goes to show that everything actually IS upside-down in MB's world. In a close second is the absolute cognitive dissonance of the 999 plan anyways. So, production is down because taxes are too high, but if we raise taxes on consumption, then consumption won't go down?
I mean, holy fuck! How can you simply not apply the rule you use over there to this same circumstance over here?
 
[quote name='nasum']Christ man, why wait till the weekend to drink?

My personal favourites are the 999 plan being the 666 plan. Just goes to show that everything actually IS upside-down in MB's world. In a close second is the absolute cognitive dissonance of the 999 plan anyways. So, production is down because taxes are too high, but if we raise taxes on consumption, then consumption won't go down?
I mean, holy fuck! How can you simply not apply the rule you use over there to this same circumstance over here?[/QUOTE]
Cause if I followed the 999 part of the drinking game, I would've been drunk 5 minutes into the debate and in the hospital right now with alsohol poisoning. Throw in some Obamacares and you're probably dead. Just sayin dude...:lol:
 
lightweight...

at any rate, someone that I was playing with mentioned that they make grilled cheese sandwiches by laying their toaster on its side. That's other genius or the dude was trolling for some blown up toasters. I'm not sure if I'm willing to try unless Target does $2 toasters on BF again. If it actually works. My god. I'm never eating anything else again in my life.
 
That'll only work if the slots can accomodate more than 1 slice of bread. Most don't.

Hahahaha...holy shit. I just heard Bachmann's clip about 666 again and she literally said that if you flip it upside down, the devil is in the details. You can't make this shit up.
 
dohdough - yeah, kinda like the Jamie Oliver version, you essentially make two open face cheese breads and then flop them together when they're done in the toaster.

Mother of god, that's the most genius thing I've ever seen!

Come to think of it, my home toaster has enough room for a bagel so I just might try the wax paper full on grilled cheese in one slot...
 
[quote name='dohdough']That'll only work if the slots can accomodate more than 1 slice of bread. Most don't.

Hahahaha...holy shit. I just heard Bachmann's clip about 666 again and she literally said that if you flip it upside down, the devil is in the details. You can't make this shit up.[/QUOTE]
You ever get the feeling that we're getting massively trolled by people like Bachmann?
 
[quote name='Clak']You ever get the feeling that we're getting massively trolled by people like Bachmann?[/QUOTE]
Not at all and the botox isn't helping her case. I couldn't tell you with any degree of certainty if she really believes the extremity of her views, but even if she and people in her position don't, the people that she's reaching out to, do...and that is what scares me.

Remember: she's only one person, but requires tens of thousands of people and millions of dollars to get where she is.

While it's nice to put out the crazier fuckers and make fun of them, whether for catharsis or elitist intellectualism(I'm guilty of all of the above), I find myself trying to evaluate these things more in terms of systems and institutions now, or at least more than I used to. And lemme tell ya, it's fucking depressing.
 
dohdough is right. it's not that she says those things - she's a politician. she says what she thinks will help her get elected. meaning she is a reflection of us.

and, sadly, again Huntsman is overlooked for the crazed, for the nuts, for the jabs. we demand to be entertained, and overlook someone who is particularly engaging on an intellectual level (though i do not pretend to agree with him on many things) - but doesn't get into hyperbole or 'zingers,' so he is overlooked by the public and the media as well.
 
I mean as much as I have a chip on my should about religion in general, I know plenty of religious people who would roll their eyes at something as stupid as that comment you quoted. So I just don't know anymore. I'd think these candidates would try to appeal to as large a group as possible in order to garner as much support as they can, so I can only assume that she thinks that comment will appeal to a large group of people. And that is fucking frightening if she's right.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']dohdough is right. it's not that she says those things - she's a politician. she says what she thinks will help her get elected. meaning she is a reflection of us.

and, sadly, again Huntsman is overlooked for the crazed, for the nuts, for the jabs. we demand to be entertained, and overlook someone who is particularly engaging on an intellectual level (though i do not pretend to agree with him on many things) - but doesn't get into hyperbole or 'zingers,' so he is overlooked by the public and the media as well.[/QUOTE]
I guess I'm pulling a Seinfeld in asking, who are these people? Who the hell does shit like that appeal to? I just....I just refuse to believe we're that stupid. I just refuse to bleieve I live somewhere, where people are that easy. Lies about facts and figures, sure, because people won't fact check and will just take it as the truth. But implying that something is evil because 999 is 666 upside down? Get the fuck outta here.
 
[quote name='Clak']I mean as much as I have a chip on my should about religion in general, I know plenty of religious people who would roll their eyes at something as stupid as that comment you quoted. So I just don't know anymore. I'd think these candidates would try to appeal to as large a group as possible in order to garner as much support as they can, so I can only assume that she thinks that comment will appeal to a large group of people. And that is fucking frightening if she's right.[/QUOTE]
I think that part of the problem is that 30 years ago, hell, even 10 years ago, you'd be right: people like this would be the laughing stock of elections and run out off the spotlight. But things are so shitty now and people use whatever ideological support they can to cope. Some people, not many of course, will wake up and realize how much bullshit they've been force-fed their entire lives and have an epiphany. Most will end up like thrustbucket and go even more whole-hog into their comfort zone rather than seeing the systems for what they are.

edit: Just saw your second post. The answer to that is easy. The power elite use billions of dollars along with the sciences of sociology and psychology to literally brainwash people. I'm not talking walking zombies because that's just dumb, but the slow and methodical methods used to illicit specific responses buried deep within our psyche's. It's really fucked up when you think about it.
 
I wish religion was kept out of politics like it is in many other western countries. Not for any hate I have, but just because we'd have less stupid shit like that happening. not to mention we could get over where the fuck the president goes to church, if at all. I mean seriously, why is something like that even news?
 
No, it's even more evil because when you take the 999 plan, and add the devilish details you have 696969 which is like super triple evil gay and we can't pray enough in this country to get rid of that!

I'm sorry, I feel stupider now in thinking that I can even come up with that and for having inflicted it upon you all. Hopefully my toaster - grilled cheese revelation will serve as an act of contrition.
 
No, it doesn't. My toaster has the evil gripper things which would get melted cheese all over them.

But hey, look at this. Ah yeah.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']dohdough is right. it's not that she says those things - she's a politician. she says what she thinks will help her get elected. meaning she is a reflection of us.

and, sadly, again Huntsman is overlooked for the crazed, for the nuts, for the jabs. we demand to be entertained, and overlook someone who is particularly engaging on an intellectual level (though i do not pretend to agree with him on many things) - but doesn't get into hyperbole or 'zingers,' so he is overlooked by the public and the media as well.[/QUOTE]

Huntsman goes for zingers all the time, they're just incredibly awkward and fall flat. I kinda dig the awkward nature of his jokes, for what it's worth.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']dohdough is right. it's not that she says those things - she's a politician. she says what she thinks will help her get elected. meaning she is a reflection of us.

and, sadly, again Huntsman is overlooked for the crazed, for the nuts, for the jabs. we demand to be entertained, and overlook someone who is particularly engaging on an intellectual level (though i do not pretend to agree with him on many things) - but doesn't get into hyperbole or 'zingers,' so he is overlooked by the public and the media as well.[/QUOTE]

Best example of this is that she has missed every vote on the house floor for the last few months. Yet she has now raised a new bill which is just red meat for Republicans.
 
[quote name='Clak']I guess I'm pulling a Seinfeld in asking, who are these people? Who the hell does shit like that appeal to? I just....I just refuse to believe we're that stupid. I just refuse to bleieve I live somewhere, where people are that easy. Lies about facts and figures, sure, because people won't fact check and will just take it as the truth. But implying that something is evil because 999 is 666 upside down? Get the fuck outta here.[/QUOTE]

The middle American evangelical Christian. These megachurches started replacing government and the town as the central uniting factor for America. You can send your child to school at the megachurch. They can also play in their soccer leagues. You can play basketball, raquetball, and squash at the humongous gymnasium they built. You can take the bus downtown on Saturdays from the megachurch. Instead of going to the town square to shoot the shit, you head to church. Now, the evangelicals are trying to figure out why they even need government. Everything is provided by the church.

Now why do they believe everything Republicans tell them. Because they come to them like men and women of God. They claim to follow the Gospel when making every decision. They speak and act like their pastors even though they're nothing more than serpents in sheep's clothing.
 
[quote name='depascal22']The middle American evangelical Christian. These megachurches started replacing government and the town as the central uniting factor for America. You can send your child to school at the megachurch. They can also play in their soccer leagues. You can play basketball, raquetball, and squash at the humongous gymnasium they built. You can take the bus downtown on Saturdays from the megachurch. Instead of going to the town square to shoot the shit, you head to church. Now, the evangelicals are trying to figure out why they even need government. Everything is provided by the church.

Now why do they believe everything Republicans tell them. Because they come to them like men and women of God. They claim to follow the Gospel when making every decision. They speak and act like their pastors even though they're nothing more than serpents in sheep's clothing.[/QUOTE]
You know, I knew all that but never really thought about it. But yeah, with those ungodly (hah) huge churches there is very little need to go outside the church.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']dohdough is right. it's not that she says those things - she's a politician. she says what she thinks will help her get elected. meaning she is a reflection of us.

and, sadly, again Huntsman is overlooked for the crazed, for the nuts, for the jabs. we demand to be entertained, and overlook someone who is particularly engaging on an intellectual level (though i do not pretend to agree with him on many things) - but doesn't get into hyperbole or 'zingers,' so he is overlooked by the public and the media as well.[/QUOTE]

When was the last time the less-charismatic candidate won the Presidency? Obama/McCain easily goes to Obama. Bush/Kerry... Well, Kerry has the personality of a doorknob, so Bush is the obvious victor here. Bush/Gore? This one is rough. Personally, I think Gore is a Bore to listen to... what say you?

Clinton/Dole... Yeah, Dole ranks right up there with Kerry on the personality scale. Clinton/Bush I - Landslide for Clinton. He plays the sax, you know. Beyond that, we're looking at Bush I/Dukakis. I was eight at the time, so both were pretty darn boring to me...
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Go back further than that - charisma and presentation, not intellect, matter in getting to be the candidates to begin with.

The answer is actually really easy on that end: it's television's fault. See Nixon v Kennedy debates.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2021078,00.html[/QUOTE]

Its the baby boomers. Iv said it time and time again and I honestly dont think anyone will realize it till after they are dead, the country has fallen apart and we can finally start to rebuild. The boomers were the TV generation, they were the generation that everyone from politicians to Television catered to. They were a spoiled whiny bunch in the days they were hippies and they have just gotten worse as entitled adults.

If you spend your whole entire life being handed everything and being given success for your failures. If you are allowed to watch TV and treat politics as an after thought. And most importantly if politicians look at the demographics and see your massive numbers and kiss the ass of already ignorant people...what do you think will happen? Of Course the boomers are going to vote for the ass kissing politicians with charisma, that person appears just like the ass kissing idols they see on their god the TV.

The baby boomers tuned off to politics and reading and tuned on to the TV. The rest of America simply followed.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Go back further than that - charisma and presentation, not intellect, matter in getting to be the candidates to begin with.

The answer is actually really easy on that end: it's television's fault. See Nixon v Kennedy debates.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2021078,00.html[/QUOTE]
As much as you're right, as much as that debate did change things, I am glad Kennedy won that election. Without that debate he very likely would have lost.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Its the baby boomers. Iv said it time and time again and I honestly dont think anyone will realize it till after they are dead, the country has fallen apart and we can finally start to rebuild. The boomers were the TV generation, they were the generation that everyone from politicians to Television catered to. They were a spoiled whiny bunch in the days they were hippies and they have just gotten worse as entitled adults.

If you spend your whole entire life being handed everything and being given success for your failures. If you are allowed to watch TV and treat politics as an after thought. And most importantly if politicians look at the demographics and see your massive numbers and kiss the ass of already ignorant people...what do you think will happen? Of Course the boomers are going to vote for the ass kissing politicians with charisma, that person appears just like the ass kissing idols they see on their god the TV.

The baby boomers tuned off to politics and reading and tuned on to the TV. The rest of America simply followed.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Every generation has their version of selfish pricks; even our own. When they die off, their legacy will endure, just as the generations before them have endured. We and future generations are not immune to baby-boomer syndrome.

[quote name='perdition(troy']ya me too kennedy do so much for this nation he is probably the best president ever[/QUOTE]
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but either way, I'm not a huge fan of Kennedy. Sure, he did a few good things things that were huge, but he was also a drug-addicted philanderer that brought us to the brink of WW3 as well as having horrible foreign policy because of the Red Scare.
 
Exactly. Kennedy wasn't a prince, but would you have wanted Nixon handling nuclear missiles being deployed right on our doorstep? I don't think so.
 
I think it's more accurate to say while Kennedy was better than Nixon, neither were great. Just varying degrees of bad and worse. Hell, even Teddy Roosevelt and FDR were pretty fucked up despite their progressiveness in some areas.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but either way, I'm not a huge fan of Kennedy. Sure, he did a few good things things that were huge, but he was also a drug-addicted philanderer that brought us to the brink of WW3 as well as having horrible foreign policy because of the Red Scare.[/QUOTE]

He fucked Marilyn Monroe. Best. President. Ever.

Actually, outside of Watergate, Nixon was pretty damn good for the country. He saw that 'Nam was BS and started to get us out of there by negotiating with China (which later gave us our economic boom with their investment), created the EPA, etc...
 
"I disagree. Every generation has their version of selfish pricks; even our own. When they die off, their legacy will endure, just as the generations before them have endured. We and future generations are not immune to baby-boomer syndrome."

O I agree that every generation has its group of selfish pricks. Its just human nature. Thing is that I think its hard to disagree that the boomers took it to a new level. Just follow the decline of America and it follows the rise of the boomers. Their parents saved and invested and the boomers basically lived off of that while not saving or investing for future generations. The generations before the boomers fought necessary wars, invested in infrastructure, education and science. The boomers meanwhile ran around as hippie flower children till they got bored with it, became capitalists and then insisted they get bigger and bigger entitlement programs while lowering their taxes. The lived off their fruit of their parents and grandparents labors and when the fruit was all gone they just started borrowing against their kids and grand kids. To top it all off, naturally they passed these "values" down to their kids and grandkids who now expect the same thing.

If you look back I agree with you that you can see white men taking advantage of slaves and stealing the Native Americans land. You can find big businesses using child labor and being sleeze balls. A big part of this as I said is human nature. But we were on a very good path and its the boomers that decided to swerve the car in a new direction. They went on a selfish joy ride and we are now paying for their adventure.
 
[quote name='dohdough']

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but either way, I'm not a huge fan of Kennedy. Sure, he did a few good things things that were huge, but he was also a drug-addicted philanderer that brought us to the brink of WW3 as well as having horrible foreign policy because of the Red Scare.[/QUOTE]


Are you kidding me? Kennedy brought us to the brink of WW3? You are putting that on his head? What a jackass.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Are you kidding me? Kennedy brought us to the brink of WW3? You are putting that on his head? What a jackass.[/QUOTE]

Haha...yeah...absolutely nothing happened in Cuba or Eastern Europe leading to those events.:roll:
 
[quote name='dohdough']Haha...yeah...absolutely nothing happened in Cuba or Eastern Europe leading to those events.:roll:[/QUOTE]

Yes of course, it was all Kennedy. This is one prime example of how you like to rewrite history, twist the facts, and make light of the threats.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Yes of course, it was all Kennedy. This is one prime example of how you like to rewrite history, twist the facts, and make light of the threats.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right. The Soviet Union was the one that blockaded Cuba, tried to overthrow their government, and put missles in Turkey while disguised as being from the US.

[quote name='MSI Magus']http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...vWmE-G5ap00MM_AJ6ZPnFeHetrgdv6HD8KDGv7Iyi1v1A[/QUOTE]
Is this what you meant to show?;)

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And if you think that I'm the equivalent of knoell, you got some problems when it comes to the vigor of facts and historiography. Just because you percieve us as being "ideologically extreme," doesn't mean that our knowledge, logic, and facts are equal.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Yes indeed it is![/QUOTE]
You can just right-click pics to copy and then just paste it on the post. That way you don't have to use the insert pic control. Much easier that way.:thumbs up:
 
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