The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

I finally found a peacoat that I liked enough to buy 2 years ago and now it's plastered on WashPo being adorned by white supremacist Richard Spencer. I can't wait until every neo-nazi looks it up and see's that it costs $700(I didn't pay anything close to that much), but I'll be damned if it becomes part of their uniform. fuck!
Damned White Supremacists. How dare their clothes be in vogue!

 
Federal Judge blocks Overtime rule. GOP praises this injunction, because people do not deserve to be paid for extra work. http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2016/11/22/texas-judge-issues-nationwide-injunction-against-obamas-overtime-rule/#4918bb6c747f
In my company, there was probably about 3k of folks doing my job across the country.

When these new rules were announced, our base pay went up from $35k to $48k. Yay!

About two months later, my position, along with about 400 others were cut nationwide.

Wonder if I can get my job back now.
 
A couple of things, first the Al Gore thing that people are bringing up. You guys realize that he lost by only one state right? Within that state it was only by 500 votes. If Trump loses by only 1 state then sure he should call for a recount. If he loses by 50+ electoral votes (which seems likely) then no, this would be nothing like the 2000 election.
So, let's say the 2016 losing candidate loses by, oh, 74 electoral votes. Are they right to challenge the results and push for recounts, or should they sit down, shut up, and accept the results?
 
So, let's say the 2016 losing candidate loses by, oh, 74 electoral votes. Are they right to challenge the results and push for recounts, or should they sit down, shut up, and accept the results?
The green party lost by a lot more than 74 votes. Oh you're saying Clinton is responsible for the recount. Read the details next time. Clinton lost and the recount won't change that.

The real question going forward is how quickly Trump gets us into war.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Eh I am still hoping that the electoral college decides to hand the presidency to any one but Trump. Maybe ome more twitter fight and people will accept the fact he is unfit
 
As much as I hate the idea of a Trump presidency, I would be far more concerned at the precedent of the electoral college not adhering to their intended votes.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
President Trump says the vote is rigged, there's no way he lost the popular vote. Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania, the AG and Trump Campaign lawyers are fighting to stop Jill Stein's recount and audit, insisting that there were no irregularities. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/04/stein-drops-state-case-pennsylvania-recount-aims-federal-court/94946560/
It's no wonder he always has to settle his lawsuits, he just can't shut the fuck up about pending litigation.
 
The green party lost by a lot more than 74 votes. Oh you're saying Clinton is responsible for the recount. Read the details next time. Clinton lost and the recount won't change that.
Yup. The fact that the Green Party raised exponentially more for the recount effort than their entire presidential campaign, various Clinton-associates have come out in support of it, and Clinton's own campaign came out and said they support the WI recount is all Jill Stein's doing.

The real question going forward is how quickly Trump gets us into war.
Day One. Because how many countries are we taking military action in already?

Weird that we only seem concerned with war with a 'Pubs is in office.
 
Yup. The fact that the Green Party raised exponentially more for the recount effort than their entire presidential campaign, various Clinton-associates have come out in support of it, and Clinton's own campaign came out and said they support the WI recount is all Jill Stein's doing.
What can I say? The Clinton campaign is addicted to wasting donation money.

Day One. Because how many countries are we taking military action in already?
Depends on your definition of "military action", but, like... seven or eight minimum?

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Merry Christmas, turn a blind eye to the poor and unfortunate. Worship the almighty dollar. We have a new King.

“Merry Christmas to all! Over two millennia ago, a new hope was born into the world, a Savior who would offer the promise of salvation to all mankind. Just as the three wise men did on that night, this Christmas heralds a time to celebrate the good news of a new King. We hope Americans celebrating Christmas today will enjoy a day of festivities and a renewed closeness with family and friends.”
Pious Christians these Americans? Putting Greed above God?

 
House Republicans vow to drain the swamp, by targeting the Office of Congressional Ethics, an independent body created in 2008 to investigate alleged corruption of Congressmen. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/03/house-gop-votes-to-gut-independent-ethics-office.html
Thankfully, it's been pulled (for now): http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/02/politics/office-of-congressional-ethics-oversight-of-ethics-committee-amendment/index.html. CNN credits Trump, but I'd like to believe it also had to do with some outcry from the public.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Nah, it's mostly Trump. Since when has flagrantly moving toward an authoritarian state ever hurt the Republicans. OCE was probably allowed by both sides because those damned journalists with an agenda noticed the sex and money scandals. Nine years of obstructionism, most of it wasting money to repeal a health care program that could've been stripped apart and rebuilt into something stronger and better for Americans. GOP needs to placate Trump, as America still believes his words matter MORE.

 
Excited for the Obamacare repeal guys? Want to let the free market take care of everything? I'm sure you remember what it was like in those great days of 2008. Who among us is actually in the same financial socioeconomic position as pre-Obamacare days?

 
NO sh- it wasn't free market, it was an oligarchy as usual. You forgot were were all told of the virtues of that? That it was the virtues of capitalism?

I haven't heard of a replacement plan after the ACA is repealed, have you? Because costs were still going to rise, that's the main thing that I've read back in 2008, aside from all those insurance company death panels, that's before Obama was elected.

Whatever they do, I hope they keep their government hands off my Medicare.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
NO sh- it wasn't free market, it was an oligarchy as usual. You forgot were were all told of the virtues of that? That it was the virtues of capitalism?

I haven't heard of a replacement plan after the ACA is repealed, have you? Because costs were still going to rise, that's the main thing that I've read back in 2008, aside from all those insurance company death panels, that's before Obama was elected.
Then do not bring up the free market and blame it for the fault of the government's intervention into the healthcare system. It only weakens your argument if you can't differentiate between different systems of economy.

Yes, I have heard of numerous plans for ACA replacement. Perhaps its because I visit more other sites than just salon and huffpost. Here is one of them:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/11/30/8-Big-Changes-Under-Tom-Price-s-Obamacare-Replacement-Plan-0

I am not saying the new plan is going to be great, I actually think Republicans are going to fuck this up hence my dislike for both political parties. Nonetheless I would like to be off the hook for paying someone else's insurance via tax penalty.

Clearly being a libertarian I hope to see government get out of the insurance business and let free market take hold. Anyone who understands economics would agree that prices would significantly decrease. The issue is that most left leaning people believe health care to be a right therefore government must be involved.

Whatever they do, I hope they keep their government hands off my Medicare.
The irony.

 
None of those plans guarantee coverage for sick people, there is no plan from libertarians that doesn't kill the poor or the sick.
 
Canada despite it being a smaller country than the United States has done pretty well for the majority of its citizens. Many more in this country die not because of an inability to find a hospital bed, but because they can't even afford the basic medications. People are still going broke in this country, before and after the ACA. Government failed because it wasted millions of dollars trying to swing its political dick around, wasting millions upon millions on what? Repeal votes?

 
Eh its really hard to have the same argument over and over again when people do not even try to look at things from another perspective but I'll give it one more shot. 

Canada does not spend as much money as we do on others things like defense nor has it been in as many military conflicts or a similar scale. Canada happens to be also a much smaller country in terms of population (40 Million) therefore it is much easier to implement a single payer model. The issue linked above is an example of a continuous problem that continues to happen in countries that treat healthcare as a right. Its not some infinite resource which is why shortages occur like they would with any other product that was in demand and given out freely. This therefore leads to the first problem which is inefficiency. Quality therefore dips and drugs either get more expensive or are switched to generics. This happened in Europe, France in particular. Should single payer be implemented, it should start on a state level so other states can see if the system is right for them. 

Second big issue with single payer system is that it is unconstitutional. Politicians in both parties violate it all the time, I am sure liberals will be claim violation of the constitution now with Trump as was the tea party during the Obama era. Unfortunately it seems to be happening only when the preferred party is no longer in power. So if you want to put that argument to rest then amend the constitution and make healthcare part of it. 

Third issue is that it is unethical to have a single payer system. It violates the natural rights which are right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. This is the reason why I am against most government regulation which restricts a person from achieving happiness or success. Surely you should ask if we are violating someone's individual freedom by forcing them into a healthcare system they do not want to be a part of. I know I wouldn't want that just like I would not want any of you to be admitted into a certain religion against free will. I also certainly would not want any of you drafted and sent to a foreign nation halfway around the world fighting for economic interests of select few or "national security". 

Obviously I would like to try a free market approach which would significantly decrease insurance rates and cost of health care. I am sure most of you agree with me in that regard. Would everyone be covered? Yes, if they are willing to pay more just like with any other limited good or service. In many cases they would receive help from charities, religious organizations and medical corporations as they do now but in a greater scope due to lessening of regulatory burden. Would people still die? Yes, just like they do under single payer model as indicated above. Clearly no system is perfect but at least in the free market you can decide to opt out should you have that desire. 

 
Eh its really hard to have the same argument over and over again when people do not even try to look at things from another perspective but I'll give it one more shot.

Canada does not spend as much money as we do on others things like defense nor has it been in as many military conflicts or a similar scale. Canada happens to be also a much smaller country in terms of population (40 Million) therefore it is much easier to implement a single payer model. The issue linked above is an example of a continuous problem that continues to happen in countries that treat healthcare as a right. Its not some infinite resource which is why shortages occur like they would with any other product that was in demand and given out freely. This therefore leads to the first problem which is inefficiency. Quality therefore dips and drugs either get more expensive or are switched to generics. This happened in Europe, France in particular. Should single payer be implemented, it should start on a state level so other states can see if the system is right for them.

Second big issue with single payer system is that it is unconstitutional. Politicians in both parties violate it all the time, I am sure liberals will be claim violation of the constitution now with Trump as was the tea party during the Obama era. Unfortunately it seems to be happening only when the preferred party is no longer in power. So if you want to put that argument to rest then amend the constitution and make healthcare part of it.

Third issue is that it is unethical to have a single payer system. It violates the natural rights which are right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. This is the reason why I am against most government regulation which restricts a person from achieving happiness or success. Surely you should ask if we are violating someone's individual freedom by forcing them into a healthcare system they do not want to be a part of. I know I wouldn't want that just like I would not want any of you to be admitted into a certain religion against free will. I also certainly would not want any of you drafted and sent to a foreign nation halfway around the world fighting for economic interests of select few or "national security".

Obviously I would like to try a free market approach which would significantly decrease insurance rates and cost of health care. I am sure most of you agree with me in that regard. Would everyone be covered? Yes, if they are willing to pay more just like with any other limited good or service. In many cases they would receive help from charities, religious organizations and medical corporations as they do now but in a greater scope due to lessening of regulatory burden. Would people still die? Yes, just like they do under single payer model as indicated above. Clearly no system is perfect but at least in the free market you can decide to opt out should you have that desire.
Name a country that has a health care system you want to emulate.
 
Name a country that has a health care system you want to emulate.
If he wants his government out of his healthcare he's gonna have to name third world. Sudan maybe?

Instead it'll be a cop out answer like "I don't want our healthcare system to be like any other country, we can be unique." or perhaps along the lines of "we're such a unique country that no other system will work here."

In any event, you aren't going to get a straight answer to your question.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38542415 The Party of Reagan values its "good Russian ties." Shame on Obama for being too soft on them, not soft enough!
It's crap like this that really drives home that the main parties are nothing more than arbitrary teams. People just pick their team and cheer for them regardless of how inconsistent they are. Hillary and her millions from Wall Street while people just said, "so what?" also makes me equally disgusted.
 
Yep, still no answer on this one.
I wasn't planning on answering the question since it seems to me you guys didn't even read my post. Again, I would like to try a free market approach and as far as I am aware there is no developed country that has that type of system.

In the future please ask your peers to answer my questions as well, for the sake of a good argument. Thanks.

 
We read your posts sadly.

Is there a free market solution that provides health care to people who are sick and cannot work or afford it?

Would your free market plan let children die for lack of health care?
 
bread's done
Back
Top