The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

[quote name='thrustbucket'] I am sure whatever it was had to be incredibly witty and mind-numbingly derogatory to make the resident phd gaffaw.
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It probably was. It also made the resident wal-mart employee butthurt.
 
[quote name='IRHari']It probably was. It also made the resident wal-mart employee butthurt.[/QUOTE]

Shitting on the employ of tens of thousands of hard working blue collar folk in an attempt to hop on yet another elitist cag circle-jerk personal attack bandwagon?

Social "progessives" ftw!
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Shitting on the employ of tens of thousands of hard working blue collar folk in an attempt to hop on yet another elitist cag circle-jerk personal attack bandwagon?

Social "progessives" ftw![/QUOTE]

Just replace wal-mart with some government office and everything will be fine.
 
Shitting on the employ of tens of thousands of hard working blue collar folk in an attempt to hop on yet another elitist cag circle-jerk personal attack bandwagon?

Social "progessives" ftw!
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My post was meant to identify our resident conservative who happens to be a walmart employee. This person usually takes the opposite position as the phd-elite-liberal-know-it-all-smarty-pants guy, so pretty reasonable to assume he'd get butthurt after reading whatever was posted.

If you think that post meant to demean all walmart employees you're gonna have to explain that.

"incredibly witty and mind-numbingly derogatory to make the resident phd gaffaw." was clearly meant to shit on those latte sipping lefty progressive phd types that infest our colleges. oh and circle-jerk personal attack bandwagon.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I can't stand Olbermann anymore. I wish he would just go back to ESPN and stop pretending he's a serious journalist.

Let's not talk about Beck or anyone else on the cable networks. Have you heard anyone on network television use the word fascist to describe anyone in government recently?[/QUOTE]

depascal's reply that was lost when he mutilated the forum... What'd you do?

[quote name='IRHari']It probably was. It also made the resident wal-mart employee butthurt.[/QUOTE]

Naw, I'm fine. Thanks for the concern. It's odd though, that thrustbucket made a comment aimed directly at Myke's post and your go-to response was an attempt to shame me.

For the record, yes, I work at Walmart. No, I'm not ashamed to work at a top Fortune 500 company. No, I'm not ashamed to go to work daily for a regular paycheck that supports my family and I. No, I'm not ashamed to have a job that I work hard at. No, I'm not at all ashamed to have a job that pays in the top 90% of jobs in the public sector within my community. Not ashamed at all, no matter how many of you try to directly or indirectly attack it.
 
Didn't mean to attack it in any way whatsoever, sorry if that's what it was interpreted as.

I don't even know what it was depascal tried to post that made lib elitists 'guffaw'. Whatever it was, depascal fucked up CAG, and he should be charged with treason and espionage and executed.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Shitting on the employ of tens of thousands of hard working blue collar folk in an attempt to hop on yet another elitist cag circle-jerk personal attack bandwagon?

Social "progessives" ftw![/QUOTE]

Relax TB, UB is doing just fine. Believe me, we could care less about UB, we fight for the guys forced to work 2-3 partime jobs because Walmart won't hire them fulltime, or the illegal immigrants and sweatshop workers they take advantage of, or point out the corporate welfare they recieve.

One thing you'll never see a social progressive doing is trying to lower the already piss-poor taxes of the uber-rich. That kind of stupidity could only come from the American right.
 
Ho! Ho! H.....WTF?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theti...use-christmas-book-boosts-tea-party-candidate

That, at any rate, appears to be the seasonal moral behind the success of David W. Hedrick, a tea-party-backed also-ran in Washington state's 3rd Congressional District race. Taking his message into Yuletide mode, Hedrick penned "The Liberal Clause," a tea-party-themed Christmas book for children featuring a socialist Barack Obama, "Elf Peloosi" and special appearances by Joseph Stalin and an Afro-centric minister named "Reverend Blight."
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I'm getting rally sick of the Hitlers, Stalins, and Maos being thrown around. Anyone who compares someone else to any of these men need a history lesson.
And interest appears to be growing. Harmon said both Amazon and Borders will soon begin carrying "The Liberal Clause" -- just in time for the holidays.
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Oh good, maybe if we make a big enough stink about this Amazon will pull his book too.
 
[quote name='camoor']we fight for the guys forced to work 2-3 partime jobs because Walmart won't hire them fulltime,[/quote]

If these people are such great employees, why don't they just get one of their other jobs to hire them on full time? Sounds like a winning game plan to me, since, of course, Walmart is the only evil, dirty company that hires part time workers and all.

or the illegal immigrants and sweatshop workers they take advantage of,
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Are these the same workers that you continually tell us stupid conservatives that our American economy needs?

or point out the corporate welfare they recieve.
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Until, of course, we point out that your favorite politicians signed off on that welfare check...
 
[quote name='UncleBob']For the record, yes, I work at Walmart. No, I'm not ashamed to work at a top Fortune 500 company. No, I'm not ashamed to go to work daily for a regular paycheck that supports my family and I. No, I'm not ashamed to have a job that I work hard at. No, I'm not at all ashamed to have a job that pays in the top 90% of jobs in the public sector within my community. Not ashamed at all, no matter how many of you try to directly or indirectly attack it.[/QUOTE]

oh boy i vote this post a++ will read again

it explains so much about you

please tell me you are something like a store or regional manager
 
Nobody lives day to day ashamed of what they do. If there's ever any dissonance they change their job or change their mind.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] I'm a common man, I ate at Wawa for dinner.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='SpazX']
I had sbarro for dinner. Twice actually - once in the restaurant and once in my bathroom when I threw it up.[/QUOTE]

Shitting on the employ of tens of thousands of hard working blue collar folk in an attempt to hop on yet another elitist cag circle-jerk personal attack bandwagon?

Social "progessives" ftw!

You guys are both progressive douches, seriously. How dare you. How dare you indeed.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']oh boy i vote this post a++ will read again

it explains so much about you

please tell me you are something like a store or regional manager[/QUOTE]
Does make you wonder about what everyone else in his community does for a living.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']oh boy i vote this post a++ will read again

it explains so much about you

please tell me you are something like a store or regional manager[/QUOTE]

Neither. Sorry to disappoint.

[quote name='Clak']Does make you wonder about what everyone else in his community does for a living.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, I live in a very poor community. I am fortunate to have earned the position I currently hold at my store. It can be a lot of hard work (for example, this past Thursday and Friday, in a 24 hr time frame, I worked approx. 20 hours - but, of course, that was out of the ordinary, being "Black Friday" and all) - but it's very rewarding when I can see the fruits of my labor (like when I get to read an article in the paper that I was involved with or such).
 
[quote name='SpazX']Nobody lives day to day ashamed of what they do. If there's ever any dissonance they change their job or change their mind.[/QUOTE]

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing, although part of it is that big box retailers like Walmart disseminate propaganda to their employees and enough of them fall for it and think they have it as good as someone in say Costco.
 
Do I at least get a cigarette and a blindfold or is that too progressive?

And mindnumbingly derogatory? For posting why I don't subscribe to Men's Health anymore? And I'm the one that stereotypes and makes personal attacks.....

EDIT -- You want derogatory? How about this?

At least progressives get each other off. Conservatives jerk off Big Business and pretend the facial is trickle down theory at it's best. Then you realize Mr. Big is zipping his pants up and walking out the door leaving you with the mess to clean up.
 
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The execution of the Cena angle is *baaaaad*. Like "I'm ashamed to watch it because I feel bad for the writers and the writers' mommas" bad.

Dude got fired and shows up for work still wearing kneepads and all his merchandise. If I got fired from Burger King, and showed up the next day (and the next and the next) wearing my BK uniform, I'd end up with a restraining order, not my job back.

Can you imagine what it's like to pack John Cena's clothes for a WWE tour? "Hmm, which jorts and purple t-shirt should I pack this week?"

Then there's the aspect where WWE is telling the fans it's okay to run in and attack dudes if they're just members of the crowd. Join Cena in defeating Nexus! Maybe you'll get a match at the TLC PPV out of it!

It's really, really sad storytelling, honestly. And it's either revealing of what simpletons the WWE writers are, what simpletons the WWE writers think the fans are (subtlety and nuance are for queers, not the WWE Universe™!), or what the McMahons think important narrative devices are (tell Juan Cena to "spic it up!")
 
[quote name='IRHari']Didn't mean to attack it in any way whatsoever, sorry if that's what it was interpreted as.[/QUOTE]

That's a complete load, and you know it. You guys like to take digs at UB because he works at one of your favorite pet hates - that, and it would be so beneath most of you to contemplate working at a place like that.

If you're going to rag on the guy, then admit you did it.
 
[quote name='Don Chubo']That's a complete load, and you know it. You guys like to take digs at UB because he works at one of your favorite pet hates - that, and it would be so beneath most of you to contemplate working at a place like that.

If you're going to rag on the guy, then admit you did it.[/QUOTE]
LOLZ...there's a little projection going on there.

If you paid any attention to the Bob bashing in any thread, you'd see that it has nothing to do with working in a shitty retail job, it's all about working in a shitty retail job that is blatantly exploitive and somewhat destructive to many communities and being completely ignorant of that while promoting more of ideas behind it. If Bob works in Walmart to feed his family and live, that's good for him and no one really cares. The fact that he's so indoctrinated to work against his self-interest as a member of the working class is a completely different issue from what he does. The fact that his level of class consciousness borders on total ignorance despite his job is another thing that is easy to take shots at. But this is never about Walmart being "too low" for us "elites" or to denegrate what he does to live.
 
Sure, sure... It's funny - people who aren't uber-rich who have conservative fiscal values are stupid and people who are uber-rich who have conservative fiscal values are evil.

So, basically, anyone who isn't liberal is either stupid or evil.
 
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So, basically, anyone who isn't liberal is either stupid or evil.[/QUOTE]

You're just now getting that?

That's because you are stupid and ignorant if you don't want free stuff.
You are greedy and evil if you don't want to give your stuff away.

It really is as simple as that.
 
[quote name='Don Chubo']That's a complete load, and you know it. You guys like to take digs at UB because he works at one of your favorite pet hates - that, and it would be so beneath most of you to contemplate working at a place like that.

If you're going to rag on the guy, then admit you did it.[/QUOTE]

To quote my 'pet hate': I seriously doubt you understand me at all.

Again, mykevermin was identified first and foremost by his occupation: an uber-progressive communist progressive libtard with a 'higher education'. I identified Bob first and foremost by his occupation, and assumed he would take the opposite position as myke.
not even sure what issue they were even talking about, but seeing as the thread has become so derailed, fuck it

I don't think the way I identified him first and foremost as a walmart employee was derogatory in any way. It seems you were offended (if you could explain why that'd be nice) but it doesn't look like Bob was offended.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Sure, sure... It's funny - people who aren't uber-rich who have conservative fiscal values are stupid and people who are uber-rich who have conservative fiscal values are evil.

So, basically, anyone who isn't liberal is either stupid or evil.[/QUOTE]

Depends on what your definition of "conservative fiscal" is. I wouldn't call most of the people who consider themselves "conservative fiscal" that. I would call most of them corporate whores. We should do anything and everything for them because they are our ticket up. They need their taxes lowered, they need unions to be busted so they can make record profits, they need regulations dropped so they can do what they think is best. And the people? fuck them. Cut all programs designed to help them out, in fact, cut everything because the government is incompetent. Give all of that to businesses because how can you have anything decent if there isn't a profit to motivate them!

That's why I was hoping you were a store or regional manager. At least that would kind of explain your stance on alot of things since you would be in some "position of power" and could say how you pulled your bootstraps to make it to your current perch. You would have a reason to lick their boots.

But you aren't even that? Both you and your wife are just grunts? I mean you can talk about how you work for a Fortune 500 company and how you see the fruits of your labor by reading about an article on Black Friday in your podunk newspaper but Wal-Mart doesn't give two shits about you or her. They don't care if you put in a 20 hour workday over a 24 hour period. They don't care if you give them 120% every single day. They don't care if you make a livable wage. They don't care if at some point you get sick and can no longer work/support yourself. They don't care if you ever save up enough so you can retire. They don't care about anything besides the bottom line and moving product. You are just an easily replaced cog in their system. There is no real movement for you. They may move you around within that store (oh boy, i went from being a cashier to stocking the dairy products) but there is only a tiny, slim chance they will move you up.

The days of both "I was in the mailroom and now, twenty years later, I'm head of the company!" and putting in thirty years with a company to be rewarded with a great pension/benefits are either dead or almost gone.

You are slowly getting your wish of relying solely on yourself. No nets ever.

[quote name='thrustbucket']You're just now getting that?

That's because you are stupid and ignorant if you don't want free stuff.
You are greedy and evil if you don't want to give your stuff away.

It really is as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

More like...

You are stupid and ignorant if you really think they are going to take care of you instead of using you until they no longer need you.

You are greedy and evil if you are greedy (I need every cent I made because I'm a self-made man! NOBODY EVER GAVE ME NOTHING!!! HOW CAN I POSSIBLY LIVE ON ANYTHING UNDER 400K A YEAR?!?) and evil (look at those poor people down there, maybe they should work harder instead of thinking they are entitled to MY TAX MONEY!!!)
 
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[quote name='UncleBob']I seriously doubt you understand me at all.[/QUOTE]
You're thankful for what you have. This job at Wal-Mart is probably the best you can do with your level of education and the area you live in. No matter what we say, or what they do, you aren't going to bite the hand that feeds you so to speak. You're so grateful to have even that, that you will defend them to the bitter end. On the other hand, most of us are fortunate to not have to work at Wal-Mart, so we don't feel bad for calling them out on their bullshit. That's because for the most part, we could do without Wal-Mart, you couldn't, or at least wouldn't want to. You're extremely grateful to your corporate masters while we rail against them.

Now if I'm completely out of line with any or all of that, correct me. I'm not even trying to insult you, just trying to figure you out. Just to kind of level the playing field, I didn't come from much better beginnings then you probably did, yet we're about as different as two people can be.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Depends on what your definition of "conservative fiscal" is. I wouldn't call most of the people who consider themselves "conservative fiscal" that. I would call most of them corporate whores. We should do anything and everything for them because they are our ticket up. They need their taxes lowered, they need unions to be busted so they can make record profits, they need regulations dropped so they can do what they think is best. And the people? fuck them. Cut all programs designed to help them out, in fact, cut everything because the government is incompetent. Give all of that to businesses because how can you have anything decent if there isn't a profit to motivate them!

That's why I was hoping you were a store or regional manager. At least that would kind of explain your stance on alot of things since you would be in some "position of power" and could say how you pulled your bootstraps to make it to your current perch. You would have a reason to lick their boots.

But you aren't even that? Both you and your wife are just grunts? I mean you can talk about how you work for a Fortune 500 company and how you see the fruits of your labor by reading about an article on Black Friday in your podunk newspaper but Wal-Mart doesn't give two shits about you or her. They don't care if you put in a 20 hour workday over a 24 hour period. They don't care if you give them 120% every single day. They don't care if you make a livable wage. They don't care if at some point you get sick and can no longer work/support yourself. They don't care if you ever save up enough so you can retire. They don't care about anything besides the bottom line and moving product. You are just an easily replaced cog in their system. There is no real movement for you. They may move you around within that store (oh boy, i went from being a cashier to stocking the dairy products) but there is only a tiny, slim chance they will move you up.

The days of both "I was in the mailroom and now, twenty years later, I'm head of the company!" and putting in thirty years with a company to be rewarded with a great pension/benefits are either dead or almost gone.

You are slowly getting your wish of relying solely on yourself. No nets ever.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, this is not just Wal-Mart, but 90% of all places of employment. In terms of working your way up the ladder, as much as I can tell, is about the same at wal-mart as it most places for people who have only had a high school education.
 
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[quote name='thrustbucket']You're just now getting that?

That's because you are stupid and ignorant if you don't want free stuff.
You are greedy and evil if you don't want to give your stuff away.

It really is as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

Thrust if you had the will or the capacity to construct an argument that anything you believe benefits anyone but the richest 10% (and let's be honest the 1%) you might get a bit of sympathy.

You live in a fantasy world and then cry when people point it out.
 
[quote name='Clak']You're thankful for what you have. This job at Wal-Mart is probably the best you can do with your level of education and the area you live in. No matter what we say, or what they do, you aren't going to bite the hand that feeds you so to speak. You're so grateful to have even that, that you will defend them to the bitter end. On the other hand, most of us are fortunate to not have to work at Wal-Mart, so we don't feel bad for calling them out on their bullshit. That's because for the most part, we could do without Wal-Mart, you couldn't, or at least wouldn't want to. You're extremely grateful to your corporate masters while we rail against them.

Now if I'm completely out of line with any or all of that, correct me. I'm not even trying to insult you, just trying to figure you out. Just to kind of level the playing field, I didn't come from much better beginnings then you probably did, yet we're about as different as two people can be.[/QUOTE]

You're close. I'm thankful for what I've earned. But that doesn't mean I'm going to defend by employer when I think they're in the wrong. For example, last Christmas season, we had some staffing issues and our store-level and market-level management was not being all to helpful in solving them. So, I contacted our regional offices and addressed the issue with them. It was fixed the next morning. And, not only and I still employed, but I've been heavily promoted since then. I'm known amongst my co-workers for knowing what battles to pick and when to stir up a fight - which is why my current position fits me so well.

Just because I don't see Walmart as some all-encompassing evil doesn't mean I won't call them out when they're in the wrong. But I'm more offended by the politician who cuts the check than the business who accepts it. I don't blame Walmart for "running out small businesses" when the customers are the ones who make the decisions on where they want to shop.

[quote name='Sporadic']Depends on what your definition of "conservative fiscal" is. I wouldn't call most of the people who consider themselves "conservative fiscal" that.[/quote]

This is about the best thing we can agree on.

That's why I was hoping you were a store or regional manager.
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I don't expect you to understand the managerial structure within Walmart, but for the record, there's a wide gap between "Store Manager" and "Regional Manager", and a whole slew of positions in-between and on the sides.

But you aren't even that? Both you and your wife are just grunts?
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Ummm.. no. To clear something up, my wife does not work for Walmart. She and her mother run a restaurant along with a catering company. Damn good food too.

reading about an article on Black Friday in your podunk newspaper
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More interested in the Courtroom News. I don't think our paper even mentioned Black Friday. Thanks for that ignorant statement, though.

They don't care if you put in a 20 hour workday over a 24 hour period. They don't care if you give them 120% every single day.
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They don't - but I do. I work hard, not for my boss, but for myself. It's a crazy concept, I know.

They don't care if you make a livable wage. They don't care if at some point you get sick and can no longer work/support yourself. They don't care if you ever save up enough so you can retire. They don't care about anything besides the bottom line and moving product.
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You mean, *gasp*... they're a business? What a strange and unusual concept. Like all those small businesses that don't offer any kind of health care, any kind of retirement benefits or any kind of life insurance?

You are just an easily replaced cog in their system. There is no real movement for you. They may move you around within that store (oh boy, i went from being a cashier to stocking the dairy products) but there is only a tiny, slim chance they will move you up.
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lol. In the past three months, I moved from an hourly position to a salaried position making nearly double my previous wage. I went from (officially) being a non-supervisor to a position that supervises the entire store. Now, I won't pretend that Walmart couldn't fire me tomorrow and life would stop for them... but your statement is so full of complete ignorance that it's actually somewhat funny.

[quote name='thrustbucket']You're just now getting that?

That's because you are stupid and ignorant if you don't want free stuff.
You are greedy and evil if you don't want to give your stuff away.

It really is as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

You know, I read your post and thought this was a serious reply until I saw who posted it. It's bad when I honestly feel there are some people here who feel this exact way.
 
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[quote name='IRHari']but seeing as the thread has become so derailed[/QUOTE]

To be fair, this thread was pretty much a worthless piece of internet garbage from the moment it was posted. Though, that's not too surprising, considering...
 
Oh Johnny boy, to think I once thought of voting for you.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelo...n-opponents-of-repeal-are-pondering-next-move
Gates mentioned by name the most passionate defender of the military's gay ban, Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, who has said this study -- which takes into account the survey responses of 115,000 troops and 44,000 military spouses -- is not comprehensive enough to authorize a repeal. McCain has strongly opposed repeal of the ban, and had heretofore insisted that Congress refrain from acting on the question before consulting the results of the Pentagon study. Now that those results seem to favor supporters of repeal, McCain and other backers of "Don't ask, don't tell" face a dilemma: how to keep making their case when not merely influential military leaders, but rank-and-file soldiers appear to have no serious problem with gays openly serving in the military.
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[quote name='IRHari']Again, mykevermin was identified first and foremost by his occupation: an uber-progressive communist progressive libtard with a 'higher education'.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, that's more pedigree than occupation.

I don't look down on people who put in 40 a week.
I don't look down on people who work at Wal-Mart.
I respect the hell out of anyone who does.

I do look down on people who praise their oppressors and argue for greater and greater benefits and tax cuts for the wealthy, because it's (1) at your own demise and (2) trickle-down theory has been shown to be a complete farce by anyone with a clear vision of economic changes over the past 30 years.

So it's not that Bob works at Wal-Mart; it's that Bob is an instrument of not just his own oppression, but of his coworkers by his overt support of the machinations of his oppression.

Every time you set foot in Home Depot, look at the price of an item. Think to yourself, "how much cheaper could this item have been if they didn't pay out $212 Million when they shitcanned Bob Nardelli?" Think to yourself, "I wonder how much more the average employee here could make if they didn't give Nardelli a golden parachute that could have paid $50,000 salaries for over 4,200 employees?" Think to yourself, "wait, this guy *fucked up* Home Depot, got 'fired' (not if you want to argue semantics, but yes, still quasi-fired), and then went on to become CEO of Chrysler *after* that!?!?!?!? And these are the people whose greed is holding up the extension of *my* tax cuts, so I can afford to pay my bills this month and maybe have a nice dinner at 'Outback Steakhouse'?"

...that's about the moment class consciousness should settle in. These dudes are organized and politically connected in ways you can't even fathom. They exploit you and rake in millions in excess - not to buy nice things, they already have those, but to sate their egos compared to other CEOs - and they, most importantly, do not need you to stand up for them. They do a good job of defending themselves where it counts - in the halls of Congress, in the offices of politically motivated think tanks, in the war rooms of Political Action Committees, in the bank accounts of talking heads on news networks - most important of all, these are the very same places where none of *us* are represented, and I sincerely doubt that's something you can disagree with. That's why there is no left-wing media; the game is rigged, and not in your favor (or my own, or really anybody who visits CAG). Everyone bows to the masters of the multinational corporations.

You coming to their aid and comfort demonstrates such an extreme degree of naivete - an economic Stockholm Syndrome, as it were - that it's positively breathtaking for you to defend your oppressor.

You praise Wal-Mart for what they offer, but think about what opportunities you and other would-be entrepreneurs would have in Carmi (and the lot of you in your own cities) if Wal-Mart disappeared tomorrow, not to be replaced by another big box store. What would you do, with all those market opportunities?

You said Carmi was a small town, Bob. What was it like before Wal-Mart came in? Any idea?
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']...that's about the moment class consciousness should settle in.[/quote]

What you advocate for isn't "class consciousness" - it's class warfare, plain and simple.

Quite frankly, Myke, if you think you can do better, where's your business? How many people do you employ? What do you bring to the table?

It's easy for you to sit back and complain that all the rich people aren't doing enough because they're not doing things how you think they should be done. But why the heck haven't you opened Myke-Mart, employed over one million people at your mythical "living wage" with full benefits while you make the same wage they do and refuse to sell anything from supplier don't do the same? Where is Myke-Mart? I'd like to shop there.
 
Back in 1985? I dunno, I was five years old then. And didn't live here.

You know, Sam Walton didn't have monopsony power when he started out against K-Mart and Montgomery Ward either. He didn't have millions, politicians in his pockets or Wall Street at his back. He had a business plan that he believed in and put everything he had into.

You've got a business plan. Do you believe in it?
 
Let's take a look at another town - Mount Carmel, IL. It's my home town. Walmart wanted to move into Mt. Carmel some time ago - we had a Target and Target threw a crap-fit. The city gave Walmart a hard time and another city, somewhat nearby, gave out some of that corporate welfare, so Walmart said forget it and went there.

Fast forward to today - Mt. Carmel has a higher unemployment rate that we do. Target went out of business, they now have some super-crappy store called Pamida. They did get a bigger Dollar General though. Their Snap-On plant moved to Mexico and took all the jobs with it. Main Street is just as dead as Main Street, Carmi.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']What you advocate for isn't "class consciousness" - it's class warfare, plain and simple.
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The point you don't understand is that there is already class warfare waged constantly against us by those who possess massive wealth. An ideal world as you see it would just have the weaker (working class) side give up to the corporate class.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']The point you don't understand is that there is already class warfare waged constantly against us by those who possess massive wealth. An ideal world as you see it would just have the weaker (working class) side give up to the corporate class.[/QUOTE]

Just look at any one of the healthcare threads, the only thing the American healthcare excels at is transferring money to a relatively piddling amount to the detriment of everyone else.

Not a single con here was able to make an argument why the status quo was ok, most preempted even idea that their resistance had merit.

All you they have is piteous whining.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Would you rather work at Wal-Mart or Costco, given the opportunity?[/QUOTE]

Costco? 140,000 employees Costco? That'd be great, let's close Walmart down and open another chain that employs about 10% Walmart's former workforce. Let's have Walmart stop accepting food stamps as well, that'd be swell.

But, again, you're wanting Costco to do all your heavy lifting of creating a business based off your business plan. I want to see what you can come up with, Myke. Plan and execute a working business model where you hire a substantial number of employees, pay them the exact same amount you pay yourself, provide them with full benefits, take $0 government dollars (including $0 tax breaks), and only source from businesses that do the same.

That sounds like the recipe for a wonderful business that we'd all love to shop at, right?
Then do it. Stop complaining that you don't have the money or power to do it and therefore someone else should have to pick up the reins and do it for you. Pull up your own damn bootstraps.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You're an expert at parrying and deflecting, I'll give you that.

Ever think of taking up fencing? I'd bet you'd be fantastic.[/QUOTE]

Says the guy who likes to pretend he's an expert on business and economics, yet probably couldn't operate a lemonade stand.
 
Well you didn't exactly answer the question, bob. doesn't matter if Myke can design one or not, the point is that there is at least one that does it, that alone proves it's possible to do. The fact that we didn't all study business doesn't mean we're wrong when there is proof out there.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Costco? 140,000 employees Costco? That'd be great, let's close Walmart down and open another chain that employs about 10% Walmart's former workforce. Let's have Walmart stop accepting food stamps as well, that'd be swell.

But, again, you're wanting Costco to do all your heavy lifting of creating a business based off your business plan. I want to see what you can come up with, Myke. Plan and execute a working business model where you hire a substantial number of employees, pay them the exact same amount you pay yourself, provide them with full benefits, take $0 government dollars (including $0 tax breaks), and only source from businesses that do the same.[/QUOTE]
Co-ops do exist and there is a market for socially responsible businesses. But let's be frank, those are smiall niches and that game is so rigged that the rest of your post is so dumb that it makes dumb sound smart.

That sounds like the recipe for a wonderful business that we'd all love to shop at, right?
Then do it. Stop complaining that you don't have the money or power to do it and therefore someone else should have to pick up the reins and do it for you. Pull up your own damn bootstraps.
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The infrastucture from top to bottom simply isn't there. Exploitation and oppression is so entrenched in every single facet of our lives that it is simply unavoidable.

For all the bullshit hypotheticals you toss out and end with BOOTSTRAPS! You seem to ignore the fact that there is a substantial barrier to entry to these types of businesses. If you think Sam Walton did it on his own, then you should wiki his biography...he got a loan for $20,000 from his father-in-law in fucking 1945. Let that sink in for a little bit. $20,000. In 1945. That's $243,000 today. And the FIL was a banker. A rich one. With a college educated daughter. In the fucking 1940's. Sam Walton didn't bootstrap shit. He did it the old fashioned way and married into money. So please, tell me more about those nice bootstraps that you're talking about.

[quote name='UncleBob']Says the guy who likes to pretend he's an expert on business and economics, yet probably couldn't operate a lemonade stand.[/QUOTE]
Oh, and this is fucking dumb too. Like the business model for a lemonade stand or Walmart were somehow revolutionary. How about you learn a little more about the history you bullshit about and then get back to us.
 
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