The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

So if my post was meant to be racial or racist, so is ANY post that contains clips of black people? Is that the lesson here?

Nevermind the fact that if you didn't all already have me labeled as a con, you would not have played the race card for posting videos to make a point that happened to contain minorities.
 
You donks could see false equivalency between oranges and my balls.

Good god. I mean I know they are the same size and everything, but for fuck's sake.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I was eager to reply to[/QUOTE]

but didn't. for as much as you want to chide me for pointing out racism on the right, you dive *right* into that fuckin' conversation, ignoring everything else anyone has to say. Even, as it appears from your post, when you want to.

Chubo, I'm not the one who tried to make thrustbucket's point. I'm not the one who lazily typed a few keywords into YouTube, copied and pasted the first few links I could find, and then sat back, satisfied with my "research." So don't you dare tell me it's my responsibility to do the heavy lifting of someone who thinks three youtube clips = adult-level political discourse.

Let's get back to how fucking preposterous thrust's assertion is. Have you ever been a victim? Ever been robbed? Ever had a gun held up to your head by someone you didn't know? Ever been run over by a car? How did you respond? Passively? Did you call your congressperson and ask for money? Or did you seek the necessary help to get what you needed, then fought back, to the best of your ability, against those who victimized you? Your own life experiences should tell you that the victim = lethargy and dependence tale is a right-wing mythology that you have not, can not, and will not prove demonstrably. Unless you're of the mindset who thinks that youtube, again, is all you need to debate.
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the trifecta is complete. I wonder if I can ask the mods about people trolling this thread, or if the trolls have already cried to the mods already.
 
Lets get back to the point of those thread...

Senate Republicans threatened Wednesday to block virtually all legislation until expiring tax cuts are extended and a bill is passed to fund the federal government, vastly complicating Democratic attempts to leave their own stamp on the final days of the post-election Congress.

"While there are other items that might ultimately be worthy of the Senate's attention, we cannot agree to prioritize any matters above the critical issues of funding the government and preventing a job-killing tax hike," all 42 GOP senators wrote in a letter to Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. The 42 signatures are more than enough to block action on almost any item he wishes to advance.

The threat does not apply to a new arms control treaty with Russia that is pending, since it would be debated under rules that differ from those that apply to routine legislation. President Barack Obama has made ratification of the pact a top priority.

But it does threaten Democratic attempts to lift the Pentagon's ban on openly gay members of the military, and a separate item to give legal status to young illegal immigrants who attend college or serve in the military. The tax and spending bills are likely to be the last to pass before Congress adjourns for the year.

"Republicans have pleaded with Democrats to put aside their wish-list to focus on the things Americans want us to focus on. They've ignored us. The voters repudiated their agenda at the polls. They've ignored them. Time is running out. They're ignoring that," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said in remarks on the Senate floor. "The election was a month ago. It's time to get serious. It's time to focus on priorities."

McConnell and Reid were expected to discuss the legislative agenda later in the morning in a meeting that was previously scheduled.

The Democratic to-do list also includes extending the expiring tax cuts — although they and Republicans differ on particulars, as well as a measure to keep the government in operation. But the rest of their agenda marks an attempt to court voters Democrats need in 2012 to recapture the majority.

Call it lame-duck politics.

Take the so-called Dream Act, a measure to give young people whose parents brought them into the United States illegally before they were 16 a path to legal status by going to college or joining the armed forces.

The measure has enjoyed some degree of bipartisan support in the past, and Reid, the majority leader, vowed last month — in the thick of his tough re-election fight in heavily Hispanic Nevada — to hold a vote on it when Congress returned to finish its end-of-the-year business. He said Tuesday he'd move to overcome GOP objections and force a test vote, although it's unclear when one will occur.

Hispanic voters also played a major role in sparing other Democrats — including Sens. Michael Bennet of Colorado and Barbara Boxer of California — from being toppled by a GOP wave.

"There was a firewall in the West where Latino voters turned out in big numbers to reward people who championed them," said Frank Sharry of America's Voice, an immigrant advocacy group. "We're going to try to make it painful" for those who oppose efforts to give illegal immigrants a path to legal status, he added.

Most Republicans vehemently oppose the Dream Act, saying it amounts to amnesty.

Hispanic groups have pushed hard for the legislation, which targets the most sympathetic of the millions of undocumented people — those brought to the United States as children, who in many cases consider themselves American, speak English and have no ties to or family living in their native countries.

Miffed that Obama has not done more to press for a broad immigration overhaul to give undocumented people a path to legal status, the groups say the least Democrats can do is push through the more limited bill for young people.

Republicans decry the strategy of acting on such issues during the lame-duck session, accusing Democrats of playing politics and ignoring the message voters sent Nov. 2.

But Democrats also face pressure from their left flank.

Gay-rights groups have criticized Reid for not pushing hard enough to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy against openly gay soldiers, as the House has already voted to do.

Reid has promised to hold a Senate vote on the matter before year's end, after hearings can be held later this week on a Pentagon report on the impact that openly serving gays would have on the military.

Republicans say they need to examine the report, which was issued Tuesday, before acting. It concluded that getting rid of the policy might cause some disruption at first but wouldn't create widespread or long-lasting problems.

Obama seized on the conclusion to call on the Senate to act "as soon as possible" to repeal the ban, "so I can sign this repeal into law this year and ensure that Americans who are willing to risk their lives for their country are treated fairly and equally."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_democrats_lame_duck_politics

Have to fight tooth-and-nail for the top 1%!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So don't you dare tell me it's my responsibility to do the heavy lifting of someone who thinks three youtube clips = adult-level political discourse.[/QUOTE]

"Don't you dare"? And who in the hell are you now? "Don't you dare"? Ooooh - and what happens if I do?

I hope you are either kidding or blind stinking drunk.
 
[quote name='Strell']You donks could see false equivalency between oranges and my balls.

Good god. I mean I know they are the same size and everything, but for fuck's sake.[/QUOTE]

You may want to see a doctor about that...

This is something that I'm honestly curious about and would love to get an honest answer from someone without trying bash in my racist head.
If the stereotype of "welfare queens" is strictly a stereotype, why does it show up in reality so often?
Why does a girl on the Maury show need 6 different paternity tests to figure out which is the right father and why is she (vast majority of the time) a minority?
Why is it that anyone that feels closer to conservative politics is automatically racist?
Are there any people in the liberal realm of politics that are racist?
 
[quote name='UncleBob'] [/QUOTE]
A multiracial president that was raised by white grandparents that were able to give him the best schooling they could afford while living in diverse locations is your business model for how any black person can become president. And you can't understand why sports and entertainment are poor examples of soci-economic mobility. At least your idiocy is consistant on this tangent...and I know how you like to go on tangents.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:shock:

aight, fuck this, I gotta do some work.[/QUOTE]

oh come now good sir, surely you can appreciate a quasi serious inquiry with some humor sprinkled within?
 
[quote name='dohdough']A multiracial president that was raised by white grandparents that were able to give him the best schooling they could afford while living in diverse locations is your business model for how any black person can become president. And you can't understand why sports and entertainment are poor examples of soci-economic mobility. At least your idiocy is consistant on this tangent...and I know how you like to go on tangents.[/QUOTE]

What? All that, and no interest in denigrating the achievements of Johnson and Breedlove?

"Poor people can't overcome adversity. Especially if they're black and poor. Except for those who did. They don't count because I say they don't. Woe is me, won't someone else do all the work to make my life better?"
 
[quote name='nasum']Why does a girl on the Maury show need 6 different paternity tests to figure out which is the right father and why is she (vast majority of the time) a minority?
[/QUOTE]

[quote name='mykevermin']:shock:

aight, fuck this, I gotta do some work.[/QUOTE]

No! We need more askers like nasum.

Why isn't the government protecting us from all the threats of terrorism on 24?
Why aren't there controls to prevent electoral fraud on Dancing with the Stars?
Why haven't we done anything about those aliens on V?
Good God, won't someone help the Glee club with funding, so they don't always have to fight with the cheerleaders?

These are important serious questions, and we need important serious people to help solve them!
 
[quote name='nasum']You may want to see a doctor about that...

This is something that I'm honestly curious about and would love to get an honest answer from someone without trying bash in my racist head.
If the stereotype of "welfare queens" is strictly a stereotype, why does it show up in reality so often?
Why does a girl on the Maury show need 6 different paternity tests to figure out which is the right father and why is she (vast majority of the time) a minority?
Why is it that anyone that feels closer to conservative politics is automatically racist?
Are there any people in the liberal realm of politics that are racist?[/QUOTE]
I'll humor you on this one, although I suspect you might not understand because you have the reasoning of a child. Smarter than a 5th grader you don't seem to be.

Poor people have had that stereotype for hundreds of years. In England, it was the same argument. Lazy whores that couldn't get ahead because of bastard children. Even in this country it was the same for a long time. Guess what race they weren't. Just a hint. They're not black, but the idea of shiftless negros and welfare queens didn't start in the 80's either. It's always been just as much about class as it is currently entwined with race.

As far as Maury goes, what makes you think that his producers aren't highly selective of their guests? You think that poor black people are the only ones that have paternity issues?

Here's why you're racist, you think that they're poor because they're black and lazy; not because they're poor because of systematic oppression that merges racial and class lines.
 
[quote name='dohdough']...Serious Stuff...[/QUOTE]
Why even dignify it with a response, unless... Unless you're trying to keep the absurdist theatre that is this thread going for another 1000 posts.

Kudos, my friend! I stand shoulder to shoulder with you!
 
[quote name='UncleBob']What? All that, and no interest in denigrating the achievements of Johnson and Breedlove?

"Poor people can't overcome adversity. Especially if they're black and poor. Except for those who did. They don't count because I say they don't. Woe is me, won't someone else do all the work to make my life better?"[/QUOTE]
They don't count becuase they're statistically insignifigant. You obviously never took a statistics class. If you're so good at bootstrapping, why not take a class or google what an outlier is.

I'm not denigrating anything. Sports and entertainment are amongst the least sustainable career choices that Very few achieve wild success. Playing on a pro team or being the next hot popstar should not be the most celebrated avenues for socio-economic mobility. Not to mention the fucking barriers to entry that I keep talking about that you keep fucking ignoring.

It's one thing to be ignorant and it's another to want to stay ignorant. Which type of ignoramous do you want to be. I can deal with someone that doesn't know jack shit, but you just wallow in it. You're a fucking tool not John Galt.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You don't understand monopsony.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

One person said no; virtually all other companies were too afraid to see their sales dwindle by not being carried in the store that accounts for over 26% of all consumer transactions in the United States alone.[/QUOTE]
Their dealing power is just insane. I think it was tupperware who had their products pulled for a short time, I know that scared the shit out of them. You don't mess with big W, if they want shit for less, you better sell it to them for less or you're out of the store.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Very few achieve wild success.[/QUOTE]

This is about the best thing you've said. It's a shame you limited it to entertainment and sports.

Very few people achieve "wild success" in *any* career choice. For every single McDonald's location, there's been about two billion failed attempts to launch a restaurant. For every Walmart, there's been just as many other small up-starts that have closed their doors. If we ignore the outliers in any field, then all we have are failures, as those who achieve "wild success" are always going to be few and far between.

Hell, even for white folk, the number of billionaires are statistically insignificant when compared to the poor and downtrodden.

And I keep ignoring your "barriers to entry" because it's a faucet of any decision in life. It's something you have to work to overcome. You can just chuck up your hands and say "Wow, that sounds really hard. I'll just lay around in my own waste and wait for someone else to come along and do it." or you can pick yourself up and make an effort to do it yourself.

"Be the change you want to see in the world."
 
[quote name='Clak']Their dealing power is just insane. I think it was tupperware who had their products pulled for a short time, I know that scared the shit out of them. You don't mess with big W, if they want shit for less, you better sell it to them for less or you're out of the store.[/QUOTE]

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

"The meeting started with the vice president of the category saying how it was clear that Lowe's was going to build their outdoor power-equipment business with the Cub Cadet brand, and how Home Depot was going to build theirs with John Deere," says Wier. "Wal-Mart wanted to build their outdoor power-equipment business around the Snapper brand. Were we prepared to go large?"

Talk about coming to the table with different agendas. Wier was in Bentonville to pull his mowers from Wal-Mart's stores. The vice president was offering a greater temptation: Let's join hands and go head-to-head against the home-improvement superstores.

Which is when Wier said no.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']My post was not in any way meant to have anything to do with race..[/QUOTE]

I don't believe you and no one else should.

dohdough:
They don't count becuase they're statistically insignifigant. You obviously never took a statistics class. If you're so good at bootstrapping, why not take a class or google what an outlier is.

Far and away the vast majority of wealthy people were born wealthy or upper middle class.

Can any of the cons around here explain why this is the case?
 
dohdough,
You just love making wild assertions about people.
I don't think poor people are poor because they're black and lazy, though I do think that part of the reason that poor black people are poor is because they're black and poor. Since they're, you know, black and poor. I understand that there are people in this world that are poor that aren't black. Quit playing this moral superiority bullshit. It isn't cute, it isn't funny and it doesn't move the conversation.

In terms of using outliers (as an insult no less, bravo) to prove your point, that's kind of a dick move. Your buddy Tim argued that white privilege exists, but that it doesn't cause all whites to exceed in life. Of course he has to use "privilege" to make it sound nice and conspiracy like, when he could use a much less loaded term like "opportunity" which is what he's really describing.
Now you're denying that black people can have success under relatively the same premise. Essentially that black success is as much of an outlier as white failure.

Funny that you mention the name of a fictional character from the queen of "bootstrappers".
 
[quote name='Msut77']far and away the vast majority of wealthy people were born wealthy or upper middle class.

Can any of the cons around here explain why this is the case?[/QUOTE]

Because creating wealth out of absolutely nothing is difficult within a single generation unless your name is Gates.
 
[quote name='nasum']Because creating wealth out of absolutely nothing is difficult within a single generation unless your name is Gates.[/QUOTE]

Bill Gates Sr. was a fairly well off lawyer, "nothing" it certainly wasn't.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']This is about the best thing you've said. It's a shame you limited it to entertainment and sports.

Very few people achieve "wild success" in *any* career choice. For every single McDonald's location, there's been about two billion failed attempts to launch a restaurant. For every Walmart, there's been just as many other small up-starts that have closed their doors. If we ignore the outliers in any field, then all we have are failures, as those who achieve "wild success" are always going to be few and far between.

Hell, even for white folk, the number of billionaires are statistically insignificant when compared to the poor and downtrodden.

And I keep ignoring your "barriers to entry" because it's a faucet of any decision in life. It's something you have to work to overcome. You can just chuck up your hands and say "Wow, that sounds really hard. I'll just lay around in my own waste and wait for someone else to come along and do it." or you can pick yourself up and make an effort to do it yourself.

"Be the change you want to see in the world."[/QUOTE]
Oh fuck me. This is all you have to offer? Do you even think about what you post?

"Despite being outliers, if you work really really hard, you can be one."

You obviously DO.NOT.KNOW. what the concept and practical applications of a barrier to entry is. Personal choice is mutually exclusive from corporations that flex their capital muscles. The average individual simply cannot work his way into the millions of dollars needed to lobby and the political connections needed to even get a meeting to get favorable legislation if you're going against the status quo. If you don't even acknowledge or understand how even on the basic level of how Walmart dominates and operates its business, how are you going to roll up in here and tell everyone that the average Joe Schmoe can open a business as successful as Walmart, muchless a black kid overcoming institutional barriers.

Your posts are pure shit without even a basic understanding about the principles you expouse.
 
[quote name='nasum']dohdough,
You just love making wild assertions about people.
I don't think poor people are poor because they're black and lazy, though I do think that part of the reason that poor black people are poor is because they're black and poor. Since they're, you know, black and poor. I understand that there are people in this world that are poor that aren't black. Quit playing this moral superiority bullshit. It isn't cute, it isn't funny and it doesn't move the conversation.

In terms of using outliers (as an insult no less, bravo) to prove your point, that's kind of a dick move. Your buddy Tim argued that white privilege exists, but that it doesn't cause all whites to exceed in life. Of course he has to use "privilege" to make it sound nice and conspiracy like, when he could use a much less loaded term like "opportunity" which is what he's really describing.
Now you're denying that black people can have success under relatively the same premise. Essentially that black success is as much of an outlier as white failure.

Funny that you mention the name of a fictional character from the queen of "bootstrappers".[/QUOTE]
The same shit I said about bobby and his posts applies to you as well.

"Privilege" is actually the nice term for it. The real term is white supremacy. Wise churns out stuff thats more palatable for the masses and is not a researcher or in academia. He's a mouthpiece because people listen to him because he's white and not because what he says is new. Your use of the terminology shows your lack of understanding of it. And then you want to go all PC on me and call it "opportunity" because "privileged" is too much of a loaded term? Get bent.
 
Would anyone really want to be a Walmart though? I can't imagine the pressure involved there.

I guess we need to make our own universal definition of success for arguments such as these. I mean really, what is "doing well" these days? I think anyone can do well (per my definition), I know that nobody can become Walmart (in terms of level of income and such). So where's the middle ground? And it really is middle ground isn't it?

White Supremacy? What are you Clayton Bigsby now?
Now you're discrediting your buddy Tim as well? Seriously take a self WTF moment dude. You jump around this topic so much while never saying anything or offering ideas that your posts could just as easily be indetified as pure shit. Go ahead and point racism all you want because quite frankly I just don't care what you decide to call people or how you decide to insult them. You're the most non-civil and humorless fuckwit I've ever had the joy of debating with on the internet. Spread your message of self-defeat as far as you can! It certainly seems to be doing you a world of good.
 
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[quote name='dohdough']Oh fuck me.[/QUOTE]

The second most useful thing you've added to the conversation.


Do I think the average Joe Schmoe can turn a key and open a business as successful as Walmart tomorrow? No. But Walton didn't do that either. Oprah didn't just get out in front of the camera one day and have a billion dollars the next. Breedlove didn't just wake up one morning to find thousands of customers at her front door and millions of dollars worth of product in her back room. Perry didn't wave a magic wand so that Tyler Perry DVDs magically appeared on shelves all across the country. These folks, and many more, had barriers to entry as well. Hell, I'd say Breedlove had more barriers to entry than what you've ever dealt with in your entire life. Yet they succeeded and prospered.

"I got myself a start by giving myself a start."
"Don’t sit down and wait for the opportunities to come. Get up and make them."
"There is no royal flower-strewn path to success. And if there is, I have not found it for if I have accomplished anything in life it is because I have been willing to work hard."
"We ain't got to pay no more bills, we got a brother in the White House!"

One of these things doesn't belong...
 
[quote name='UncleBob']The second most useful thing you've added to the conversation.[/quote]
And you haven't added a damned thing.

Do I think the average Joe Schmoe can turn a key and open a business as successful as Walmart tomorrow? No. But Walton didn't do that either. Oprah didn't just get out in front of the camera one day and have a billion dollars the next. Breedlove didn't just wake up one morning to find thousands of customers at her front door and millions of dollars worth of product in her back room. Perry didn't wave a magic wand so that Tyler Perry DVDs magically appeared on shelves all across the country. These folks, and many more, had barriers to entry as well. Hell, I'd say Breedlove had more barriers to entry than what you've ever dealt with in your entire life. Yet they succeeded and prospered.
Walton married into money. Oprah had the serendipidous luck of Phil Donahue leaving, Perry had mentors, and I don't even know who the hell Breedlove is.

Your anecdotes aren't worth the bytes on this server.

Maybe Breedlove did have more barriers, but what's your point when you want to leave the barriers there and I'm trying to tear them down. Your insult falls flat. Try again.

"I got myself a start by giving myself a start."
"Don’t sit down and wait for the opportunities to come. Get up and make them."
"There is no royal flower-strewn path to success. And if there is, I have not found it for if I have accomplished anything in life it is because I have been willing to work hard."
"We ain't got to pay no more bills, we got a brother in the White House!"

One of these things doesn't belong...
You're a racist prick.
 
Wow, it is entertaining to just watch the racism threat just casually thrown around.

You quoted a black person? You racist.
You posted videos of black people saying stuff? You racist.
Your a conservative? You racist.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Wow, it is entertaining to just watch the racism threat just casually thrown around.

You quoted a black person? You racist.
You posted videos of black people saying stuff? You racist.
Your a conservative? You racist.[/QUOTE]

You forgot, "You're white? You racist!"
 
[quote name='nasum']Would anyone really want to be a Walmart though? I can't imagine the pressure involved there.

I guess we need to make our own universal definition of success for arguments such as these. I mean really, what is "doing well" these days? I think anyone can do well (per my definition), I know that nobody can become Walmart (in terms of level of income and such). So where's the middle ground? And it really is middle ground isn't it?

White Supremacy? What are you Clayton Bigsby now?
Now you're discrediting your buddy Tim as well? Seriously take a self WTF moment dude. You jump around this topic so much while never saying anything or offering ideas that your posts could just as easily be indetified as pure shit.[/quote]
ORLY...how's your buddy David Duke? He has the same stances you do...rotflcopter.:whee:

Go ahead and point racism all you want because quite frankly I just don't care what you decide to call people or how you decide to insult them. You're the most non-civil and humorless fuckwit I've ever had the joy of debating with on the internet. Spread your message of self-defeat as far as you can! It certainly seems to be doing you a world of good.

Says the person that posted 3 youtube videos of black people saying stuff that scare white people.

It's like debating with a dining table...like telling a fish they're wet and the fish saying herpity derpity.

LOLLERS...not to mention that I don't really even say what I do or make for a living. And when did I ever mention self-defeat? It's not self-defeat when someone else decides what you're going to like and what you're going to hate. Sounds like someone's never taken an intro to sociology course.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']How in the hell does it make me a "racist prick" because I pick four quotes from two black women?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Knoell']Wow, it is entertaining to just watch the racism threat just casually thrown around.

You quoted a black person? You racist.
You posted videos of black people saying stuff? You racist.
Your a conservative? You racist.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='UncleBob']You forgot, "You're white? You racist!"[/QUOTE]
Duhh...durrrr...wut are razzisms...

Feigning ignorance...good job fellers.:bouncy:
 
[quote name='dohdough']Duhh...durrrr...wut are razzisms...

Feigning ignorance...good job fellers.:bouncy:[/QUOTE]

Please, oh, please, Mr. Great One. Bestow your wisdom upon us all and explain to us lowly individuals as to why it is racist to quote someone just because they happen to be black.
 
Racism is a charge that shouldn't be thrown around lightly, but people like myke and dohdough don't get that. It's like that flaming bag of shit left on the porch - even though you step on it and put it out, there is still the shit stuck on your shoe. And people like myke and dohdough are the 12 year-old kids that have run away and are giggling in the bushes.
 
[quote name='Don Chubo'] Racism is a charge that shouldn't be thrown around lightly[/QUOTE]

So is socialism and communism.
 
[quote name='Don Chubo']Racism is a charge that shouldn't be thrown around lightly[/QUOTE]

That is peachy, because in this case it isn't.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Oh fuck me. This is all you have to offer? Do you even think about what you post?

"Despite being outliers, if you work really really hard, you can be one."

You obviously DO.NOT.KNOW. what the concept and practical applications of a barrier to entry is. Personal choice is mutually exclusive from corporations that flex their capital muscles. The average individual simply cannot work his way into the millions of dollars needed to lobby and the political connections needed to even get a meeting to get favorable legislation if you're going against the status quo. If you don't even acknowledge or understand how even on the basic level of how Walmart dominates and operates its business, how are you going to roll up in here and tell everyone that the average Joe Schmoe can open a business as successful as Walmart, muchless a black kid overcoming institutional barriers.

Your posts are pure shit without even a basic understanding about the principles you expouse.[/QUOTE]
I hope I'm not remembering this wrong, but it's nearly impossible to get into the dairy farm business due to the practices of existing large dairy farms. They do everything they can to keep out any new competition. But hey, monopolies are ok when you're rich Uncle Moneybags.
 
[quote name='IRHari']So is socialism and communism.[/QUOTE]
As well as comparisons to some of the worst people in the last 100 years. Hell, I'm waiting for the comparisons to Genghis Khan, it won't make any sense, but since when has that mattered?
 
[quote name='Clak']I hope I'm not remembering this wrong, but it's nearly impossible to get into the dairy farm business due to the practices of existing large dairy farms. They do everything they can to keep out any new competition. But hey, monopolies are ok when you're rich Uncle Moneybags.[/QUOTE]

Did I link to that Men's Health article on the pizza industry here? Although only a portion of the overall narrative, they go to great lengths to show how small dairy farms are not profitable any longer.
 
[quote name='Knoell']DERP! One wrong justifies another. DERP![/QUOTE]

[quote name='Don Chubo'] Racism is a charge that shouldn't be thrown around lightly[/QUOTE]

Just like racism, socialism and communism shouldn't be thrown around lightly either Knoell. Reading comprehension Knoell. Do it.
 
I would agree that communism gets thrown around way more than is deserved, but socialism? Have you looked at the definitions of socialism lately?

Look up several, but here is dictionary.com:

so·cial·ism   
[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

And some others:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.


Any of various political philosophies that support social and economic equality, collective decision-making and public control of productive capital and natural resources, as advocated by socialists.


(context, Leninism) The intermediate phase of social development between capitalism and full communism. This is a strategy whereby the State has control of all key resource-producing industries and manages most aspects of the market, in contrast to laissez faire capitalism.


That's just from the first two pages of googling "socialist definition"

Can you honestly look at those definitions and read news headlines the last 2 years and not think they apply more often than they did 10 years ago? Can you compare those definitions to what mykevermin, msutt77, and others post on here and honestly say this don't describe much of their views? I'd be surprised, if at this point, msut and myke would deny they are socialists. Every other post is about how bad capitalism is, the free market is, and how unfair individualism is.

Also, don't forget that several regulars on here have outright admitted they have socialist leanings, actually using the word (dmaul comes to mind)

I don't think the word socialism CAN get used lightly in todays news.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Just like racism, socialism and communism shouldn't be thrown around lightly either Knoell. Reading comprehension Knoell. Do it.[/QUOTE]

I am just wondering how you justify throwing racism around by complaining about something else.

I guess maybe if you don't really think anyone here is racist, and all those times you or anyone else called people racist you all were just trying to prove the point that these words are used too lightly.

Somehow I don't think that was your intended purpose though.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I would agree that communism gets thrown around way more than is deserved, but socialism?[/QUOTE]

You toss around "far-left" (which you never bother define either) in almost every post you make. We all know what you are saying.
 
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