The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

You're overestimating the extent that it bothers me just because I said that it does. Sure, the actual policy stances and actions are the biggest problem, rather than the words.

The original question was do I mind if one or both sides dont allow amendments, and in every case the answer is no. If I had my way, minorities in Congress would pretty much never get a say in the matter, ever - which includes when the side I'm on is in the minority.

Same thing with the filibuster. It shouldnt exist under any circumstances. The minority should get fucked.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']The minority should get fucked.[/QUOTE]

There's a scary thought.

While I'll agree that the current filibuster process (or lack of one) needs some improvement, majority rules without minority rights is a train wreck waiting to happen.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']
While I'll agree that the current filibuster process (or lack of one) needs some improvement, majority rules without minority rights is a train wreck waiting to happen.[/QUOTE]
Minority rights are protected by the Constitution. If Congress passes something that violates their rights, then you go through the courts.
 
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47881.html

Discussing Obama’s views on abortion during a two-hour sit-down with CNS News on Thursday, Santorum said the president’s pro-choice position meant he was valuing some lives over others.
“The question is, and this is what Barack Obama didn’t want to answer — is that human life a person under the Constitution?” he said.
“And Barack Obama says no. Well, if that human life is not a person, then I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say ‘now we are going to decide who are people and who are not people.’”
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Stay classy.
 
It's the injection of race that makes this statement unique. Because he's a black man he should....something something.

I really can't believe I need to point out the OMGWTFBBQ part of what Santorum said.

A lot of anti-choice people see the abortion debate as analogous if not completely equivalent to the abolitionist movement.
 
[quote name='IRHari']It's the injection of race that makes this statement unique. Because he's a black man he should....something something.[/QUOTE]

If Obama or Sotomayor or such attempts to use lessons from experiences they've had being a minority - well, that's a good thing (and it honestly is). But to say that there's other lessons they could be taking away from those same experiences and, well, that's bad...?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Isn't that what the abortion debate is, essentially, about though? Defining what constitutes a person?[/QUOTE]

Honestly, it is that simple. Leave it to humanity to completely fuck up a simple question into a decade-long political struggle.

Personal Opinion: When the fetus can survive outside the human body on its own without medical/technological sustainment (i.e. can breath and feed on its own), it's a human. This biologically takes place around the 3rd Trimester, which is currently where most laws outlaw abortion.

All that aside, it didn't take long before a Republican-controlled Congress started taking up social issues, did it? Not even 3 weeks, I think.

~HotShotX

PS: And I swear to God if I hear one more politician take a 50%+1 majority and describe it as "The voice of the American People" again when taking a political stance, I'm going to do absolutely nothing and not give a shit. But seriously, a slight majority is not a God-delivered edict that something is 100% right or wrong, or that you can claim to speak for everyone. Half the people want one thing, the other half wants the other...THIS IS WHEN SHIT SHOULD BE COMPROMISED.

Honestly, could you imagine if wars were fought like this? Some arrogant asshole of a General leading his entire army into a bloodbath against an equally powerful army simply because they had ONE extra helmet or body armor? It's total idiocy, and politicians from BOTH sides are running around like their invincible because one of the 9,000 national polls says "50.1% of the American People indeed believe the sky to be blue".

I'm ranting, but my God, we all should be, not ranting over the issues or our differences with one another, but at the total incompetency of our system and how it's fueled more by rhetoric than actual solutions.
 
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[quote name='HotShotX']Personal Opinion: When the fetus can survive outside the human body on its own without medical/technological sustainment (i.e. can breath and feed on its own), it's a human. [/QUOTE]

This is absurd.
 
Absolutely absurd, life doesn't begin until the stork has picked up the baby and it's out for delivery.

(Accidental deaths en route, however, are not murder, and a baby killed in an accident may be replaced by the manufacturer with a baby of equal value)
 
It's ridiculous to even say "the people have spoken" when you told them what to beleive through advertising. Instead of saying that anyone has spoken, something like "We've successfully convinced them that we're right" would be more accurate.
 
[quote name='SgtMurder']Abortion is just sickening, when you can just put the child away in adoption.[/QUOTE]

I love how easy everything is for a libertarian who grew up as a child of privilege (cue 'I worked for anything I ever got' rant)
 
Um...

Aren't you supposed to be the "more libertarian than you" guy?

I mean, just because you're a libertarian doesn't mean you can't be opposed to abortion - I think I understand the arguments, at least - but still. It's... ah, fuck it.
 
[quote name='Strell']This is absurd.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, this thread itself has been chock full of sarcasm and wit for dozens of pages now, and I can't even tell if this is sarcasm or not.

~HotShotX
 
Your argument rests on an implication that life is not life if it's being support by machines.

My older sister was premature and would not have survived without the NICU. My older's brother wife had a child late in life and had to do the same. One of my best friends whom I've known for 20+ years just had his first child some six weeks early and had to have it supported in the hospital until it was large enough to be taken outside healthily. Dismiss these as anecdotal, but there's a goddamn NICU ward in every hospital, and there's always someone's kid fighting for life in there.

Your assumption is ridiculous. It's that simple.

We are never going to determine answers to arbitrary questions with regard to abortion, especially in terms of "when is it a human." There's absolutely too much emotional tripe to wade through, religious red tape, and simple science vs opinion. It's the same reason we can't - as humanity - decide on the answers to lots of things regarding the mysticism of death, whether or not there is a God, if eggs are good for you, or when Bret Favre will retire for the final time.

Can we agree that unique DNA is created at the second of conception? Of course - that's a hard fact. But it's difficult to pinpoint some specific moment in time when a fetus becomes "a human," and self-sustainment is about the worst possible way to go about it. This isn't even going into the rhetorical gray area of what would count as survival post-birth. A baby on its own would die, a toddler on its own would die, most children on their own would die, several adults on their own would die, most people on their own would have trouble staying alive depending on what the circumstances are.

There's a reason the abortion debate will rock on through the end of our species, and it's due to the highly convoluted nature of how we perceive things versus how they scientifically play out. There's no math equation - currently - that resolves that issue, and quite frankly, I doubt there will ever be one. Putting up some flimsy layer of supposed insight and slamming the desk doesn't make you look smart when there have been legions of scientists incapable of answering the question definitively.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Um...

Aren't you supposed to be the "more libertarian than you" guy?
[/QUOTE]

Don't you know, libertarians aren't anti-government interference. They're just like everyone else and just want the government to only "interfere" when it supports their beliefs and worldview.
 
[quote name='Rep. Paul Broun']Our leadership said you could do whatever you wantd to do. Sit with a Democrat, you can, sit with a Republican, you can. We’re goin to have a conference next week and I’m going to bring that up there. I believe very firmly that it is a trap and a ruse that the Democrats are proposing; they don’t want civility, they want silence from the Republicans. And sitting together being kissy kissy is just another way to try to silence Republicans and also to show, to keep the American people from seeing how few of them there are in the US House now, and when people stand up to what the Democrats are doing when Barack Obama spews his venom, then if they’re scattered throughout the Republicans, it won’t be as noticeable if the Republicans sit apart. [/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Rep. Paul Broun
Our leadership said you could do whatever you wantd to do. Sit with a Democrat, you can, sit with a Republican, you can. We’re goin to have a conference next week and I’m going to bring that up there. I believe very firmly that it is a trap and a ruse that the Democrats are proposing; they don’t want civility, they want silence from the Republicans. And sitting together being kissy kissy is just another way to try to silence Republicans and also to show, to keep the American people from seeing how few of them there are in the US House now, and when people stand up to what the Democrats are doing when Barack Obama spews his venom, then if they’re scattered throughout the Republicans, it won’t be as noticeable if the Republicans sit apart.
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Just what Congress needs: Paranoia.

~HotShotX
 
The republican party is sustained by paranoia and fear, what do you expect? Fear of terrorists, fear of muslims, fears of minorities taking over, you name it they're afraid of it.
 
[quote name='Clak']The republican party is sustained by paranoia and fear, what do you expect? Fear of terrorists, fear of muslims, fears of minorities taking over, you name it they're afraid of it.[/QUOTE]

Well you know, not like they can run in policy or actually governing the country.
 
I didn't know the economy was turning around until I saw Republicans trying to take credit for it:
It took less than three weeks for the new Republican Congressional leadership to claim credit for an apparent economic upturn.
An aide to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Brian Patrick, emailed reporters this morning:
THERE ARE THE JOBS: Republicans Prevent Massive Tax Increase, Economy Begins to Improve....
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensm...ship_takes_credit_for_job_growth.html?showall

stay classy
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[quote name='UncleBob']If Obama or Sotomayor or such attempts to use lessons from experiences they've had being a minority - well, that's a good thing (and it honestly is). But to say that there's other lessons they could be taking away from those same experiences and, well, that's bad...?[/QUOTE]

That's not the problem with Santorum's statement. Santorum is saying that because of Obama's race, Obama should take a certain position on abortion.

The idea that someone should act a certain way because of race is...well I think we all know what kind of an idea that is.
 
[quote name='IRHari']That's not the problem with Santorum's statement. Santorum is saying that because of Obama's race, Obama should take a certain position on abortion.

The idea that someone should act a certain way because of race is...well I think we all know what kind of an idea that is.[/QUOTE]

Is it any more racist to assume that all black people have been subjected to the belief that black people shouldn't be considered people vs., say assuming all black people have been disadvantaged by society because they're black?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Is it any more racist to assume that all black people have been subjected to the belief that black people shouldn't be considered people vs., say assuming all black people have been disadvantaged by society because they're black?[/QUOTE]
This does not mean what you think it means. Like it doesn't make any goddamned sense. It's like you decided to vomit some mental nonsense onto this thread thinking it was profound, when it's just puke.

Lemme show you what you just said:

Is it more crazy to assume that the earth could be round versus assuming that you can sail from one side of the earth and eventually getting to the same spot because the earth is round? Wut WUT?

Good job there bobby.:applause:
 
Dude just clarify what you were trying to ask. It's not just far-left progressive communo-fascists mocking what you said. Even objective observers would have no fucking idea what you tried to ask.
 
[quote name='Clak']That's a relevant fear you dimwit.:roll:[/QUOTE]

Lol, so the way in which liberals politicize the rich is so much more right than the way conservatives politicize terrorism? Why? Becuase you agree with one?

We both know there are cases to be made that terrorism occurs and that we must be protected from it.

We also both know there are cases to be made that rich people will abuse the system and the other classes and that we must be protected from it.

What we disagree on, I guess is that you believe Republicans use terrorism to scare people onto their side, while Democrats never ever use greedy rich people to scare people onto their side.

Which leads me back to my first sentence, the former is only correct to you because you believe it to be true. Your statement is subjective.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Is it racist to assume that a black person has been disadvantaged by society because he/she is black?[/QUOTE]
No.
 
[quote name='Clak']That's a relevant fear you dimwit.:roll:[/QUOTE]

If rich people got richer at the same rate as everyone else (most are getting poorer) we wouldn't be having this conservation. The idiot circus children cannot grasp that.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Lol, so the way in which liberals politicize the rich is so much more right than the way conservatives politicize terrorism? Why? Becuase you agree with one?

We both know there are cases to be made that terrorism occurs and that we must be protected from it.

We also both know there are cases to be made that rich people will abuse the system and the other classes and that we must be protected from it.

What we disagree on, I guess is that you believe Republicans use terrorism to scare people onto their side, while Democrats never ever use greedy rich people to scare people onto their side.

Which leads me back to my first sentence, the former is only correct to you because you believe it to be true. Your statement is subjective.[/QUOTE]
Because terrorism is sporatic and we've done a shit ton of things to prevent it, what have we done to stop the rich from fucking over the rest of us? We gave them a motherfucking TAX BREAK for crying out loud.

I do like how you and bob completely ignored the bit about fear of minorities though, just gloss right over that one.
 
[quote name='Clak']Because terrorism is sporatic and we've done a shit ton of things to prevent it, what have we done to stop the rich from fucking over the rest of us? We gave them a motherfucking TAX BREAK for crying out loud.

I do like how you and bob completely ignored the bit about fear of minorities though, just gloss right over that one.[/QUOTE]

Fear of minorities huh? Ok then fear of white people......we can go back and forth all day.

The very reason most people have such distaste for politics is exactly what you are describing. I have no intention of claiming either side is right in doing it, only that both sides use those tactics, but that you choose to turn a blind eye towards one side because you agree with it.

Telling people that rich people are making them poor is just as bad as telling people that there may be another 9/11. Both ways are using peoples fears to gain leverage.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Telling people that rich people are making them poor is just as bad as telling people that there may be another 9/11.[/QUOTE]

Not really because one is actually happening and has been happening for awhile.

We have a jobless recovery from the recession, both politicians and business owners saying that outsourcing is a win-win for everybody, corporations threatening to leave the country if they don't get a tax break, Republicans blocking everything in the hopes of extending Bush tax breaks for the top 1%.

These aren't things people are saying could happen, these are things that have already happened.
 
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And there is absolutely no reason why a minority should fear a white person may be screwing them over either.

Cause you know, that's never happened.

Ever.
 
[quote name='Clak']And there is absolutely no reason why a white person should fear a minority may be screwing them over either.

Cause you know, that's never happened.

Ever.[/QUOTE]

If someone had posted something like that, you'd be all over them in about two seconds...
 
This is what they think bipartisanship is:


Minority Leader Mitch MCCONNELL (R-KY): If the president is willing to do what I and my members would do anyway, we’re not going to say no and –
ALLEN: But that’s not much of a concession. That’s not bargaining, to just give you what you want.
MCCONNELL: Um, I like to think I’m a pretty good negotiator.
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[quote name='Mitch McConnell']
“single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president”[/QUOTE]

Once again, stay classy.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If someone had posted something like that, you'd be all over them in about two seconds...[/QUOTE]
False equivalence, you intellectually dishonest POS and you know it.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If someone had posted something like that, you'd be all over them in about two seconds...[/QUOTE]
Posted something like what, what I said about minorities and white people?
 
[quote name='IRHari']This is what they think bipartisanship is:






Once again, stay classy.[/QUOTE]
Compromise for republicans means you give them whatever the fuck it is they want. I'm going to go ahead and say this now, if Obama is not reelected in 2012 much of it will be due to his own spinelessness. I've never seen a president get so ass fucked like he has been, and basically just sit there and say"Sir may I have another?".
 
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