The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

[quote name='dohdough']False equivalence, you intellectually dishonest POS and you know it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, stay classy with the name calling, bro. It totally makes you look cool and everyone respects you.


[quote name='Clak']Posted something like what, what I said about minorities and white people?[/QUOTE]
You should re-read what I quoted.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Yeah, stay classy with the name calling, bro. It totally makes you look cool and everyone respects you.[/QUOTE]
Have a second helping of that box of dicks. Maybe it'll inject some honesty into you.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Yeah, stay classy with the name calling, bro. It totally makes you look cool and everyone respects you.



You should re-read what I quoted.[/QUOTE]
Would you just tell me what the fuck it is you're trying to get at, because what you quoted is exactly what I asked if you were talking about. Stop alluding to whatever idiotic point you're trying to make and just say it.
 
[quote name='Clak']Would you just tell me what the fuck it is you're trying to get at, because what you quoted is exactly what I asked if you were talking about. Stop alluding to whatever idiotic point you're trying to make and just say it.[/QUOTE]

You're not very attentive, are you? Again, re-read what I quoted. I changed what you said to point out the hypocrisy in your statement. What I quoted is not what you said.
 
Motherfucker, tell someone you edited their own words, I don't generally re-read my own posts when they're quoted unless I know they were changed. And no, something like affirmative action (what I know you're getting at) is not screwing over "the white man" as you and my father would say. The only reason you'd say that is either ignorance or you're just feeling indignant white rage.

Tell me bob, when will the white man's time come? When will the white man get a fair shake? fucking disgusting...
 
[quote name='Clak']I'd sooner argue with burgess meredith's corpse at this point.[/QUOTE]

Not surprising. A corpse wouldn't have it's own thoughts or point out the flaws in your posts. That sounds about like something you'd like.
 
[quote name='Clak']Motherfucker, tell someone you edited their own words, I don't generally re-read my own posts when they're quoted unless I know they were changed. And no, something like affirmative action (what I know you're getting at) is not screwing over "the white man" as you and my father would say. The only reason you'd say that is either ignorance or you're just feeling indignant white rage.

Tell me bob, when will the white man's time come? When will the white man get a fair shake? fucking disgusting...[/QUOTE]

Actually, I was not even considering anything about affirmative action (although, I'm reminded of the other post where everyone is discussing people not getting positions based on their own merits and, instead, unrelated or barely related aspects of that person....)
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Not surprising. A corpse wouldn't have it's own thoughts or point out the flaws in your posts. That sounds about like something you'd like.[/QUOTE]

This sounds exactly like you actually. Brain dead.

You only post about being butt hurt when you don't have the knowledge to defend your stance. Even when I insult you, with good reason I might add, I address your points. Not that you'd notice over being butt hurt.
 
I can respect a dissenting opinion if the thought process which led to it is sound and makes sense, that's the problem. You live in some sort of bizaaro world full of indignant white rage, where white people have been oppressed under the heel of "insert minority here" and are struggling for equal rights.

The funny thing Is I'll bet we grew up with similar families as far as these beliefs go, but I eventually decided to read and educated myself on the subject. I mean, you really know absolutely nothing about the sociological aspects of race, do you? To you the idea of institutional racism is just ridiculous, isn't it? And we could sit here and give you evidence, but as we know, facts don't change minds.

Then you scream REVERSE RACISM!!!111eleven as a reason for why something like affirmative action is in fact racist. You're all about the technical meaning of something and you ignore the nuance completely. You see racism as discriminating based on race, so affirmative action is in turn racist based on that definition, never mind the point of the thing.

And I'd like to think a corpse could come up with better arguments than yourself, bob.
 
I think his point was that you guys would be all over someone sarcasticly saying that a white person should not fear a minority because they have never screwed them over right?

But yet you go ahead and say that minorities truely should fear white people because they are white.

A generalization if I have ever seen one.

Sorry to let you all know, but white does not equal racist, despite your personal beliefs.

Don't want to put words in your mouth bob but thats what I got from it.
 
It's like original sin, if you're white your racist by default, especially if you have a few nickels to rub together.
The really fun part is that you're still racist if you don't even participate in any action that could be construed as such, guilty by association and such.
 
[quote name='Knoell']I think his point was that you guys would be all over someone sarcasticly saying that a white person should not fear a minority because they have never screwed them over right?[/quote]
There are degrees of being "screwed." Unless people of color have completely overturned the racial power structure within this country, your point falls flat on it's ass. It is literally impossible to say that as a racial group, white people are persecuted to the point of poverty by black people. LITERALLY. IMPOSSIBLE.

But yet you go ahead and say that minorities truely should fear white people because they are white.

A generalization if I have ever seen one.
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400 years of history on this continent say otherwise.

Sorry to let you all know, but white does not equal racist, despite your personal beliefs.
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I have met very few exceptions. Like a handful in person. Racist also encompasses more than wearing a hood or using n-----r in public, but I know that's not what you meant.

Don't want to put words in your mouth bob but thats what I got from it.
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He needs more than just words in his mouth...perhaps a box of phalluses would help.
 
[quote name='nasum']It's like original sin, if you're white your racist by default, especially if you have a few nickels to rub together.
The really fun part is that you're still racist if you don't even participate in any action that could be construed as such, guilty by association and such.[/QUOTE]
Not even close. But tell me more about racism. You act like you know a lot more about it than I do.:wave:
 
[quote name='dohdough']
[quote name='Knoell'] Sorry to let you all know, but white does not equal racist, despite your personal beliefs.
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I have met very few exceptions. Like a handful in person. Racist also encompasses more than wearing a hood or using n-----r in public, but I know that's not what you meant.

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So judges is this racism? No, no, it obviously isn't because the white people as a race earned this reputation and the white people as a race must carry it. Right? Am I getting this right?

fucking ridiculous.
 
[quote name='Knoell']So judges is this racism? No, no, it obviously isn't because the white people as a race earned this reputation and the white people as a race must carry it. Right? Am I getting this right?

fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Yes. You do. Because you still benefit from it. On every single step on the socio-economic ladder, it pays more to be white than black. If you're not helping to make things more equal, which you're not, you're part of the problem.

Would you rather be black with everything that it entails? I think not.
 
[quote name='Knoell']I think his point was that you guys would be all over someone sarcasticly saying that a white person should not fear a minority because they have never screwed them over right?

But yet you go ahead and say that minorities truely should fear white people because they are white.

A generalization if I have ever seen one.[/QUOTE]

You're right. Redlining, reverse redlining, high-interest subprime mortgages (remember mud people and ghetto loans from 2009) have never happened.

This is just paranoia. Everything is a-ok now. Didn't they hear? We have a minority (or should I say majority, am i rite???) as president now.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Yes. You do. Because you still benefit from it. On every single step on the socio-economic ladder, it pays more to be white than black. If you're not helping to make things more equal, which you're not, you're part of the problem.

Would you rather be black with everything that it entails? I think not.[/QUOTE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
 
[quote name='dohdough']Not even close. But tell me more about racism. You act like you know a lot more about it than I do.:wave:[/QUOTE]

nah, it just goes back to you giving me shit about inaction for lack of a better term. You say I'm racist because I'm white and I'm not out trying to change the world. I'm not actively engaged in overt racism, but by association (to you) I'm still a darkie hating dickhole.
Basically, with you there's no victory. But hey, whatever floats your boat. Or is mentioning boats racist too now?
 
[quote name='Knoell']I think his point was that you guys would be all over someone sarcasticly saying that a white person should not fear a minority because they have never screwed them over right?

But yet you go ahead and say that minorities truely should fear white people because they are white.

A generalization if I have ever seen one.

Sorry to let you all know, but white does not equal racist, despite your personal beliefs.

Don't want to put words in your mouth bob but thats what I got from it.[/QUOTE]
Stop putting words in our mouths you twit. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think white should be feared in the sense of "Oh shit a cracker, run!!!" but feared in the sense of "Your race has had an advantage in every way possible since the founding of this country and we fear the disadvantage that gives us".

I swear if this were the 1800s, before emancipation, you'd defend plantation owners with slaves by saying "Hey, all they have to do is work in the field and they're taken care of, that isn't so bad".

The only defense you and bob have is to take what we say, blow it out of proportion, then try to turn it around on us. You two are republicans in stratgey at the least.
 
[quote name='nasum']nah, it just goes back to you giving me shit about inaction for lack of a better term. You say I'm racist because I'm white and I'm not out trying to change the world. I'm not actively engaged in overt racism, but by association (to you) I'm still a darkie hating dickhole.
Basically, with you there's no victory. But hey, whatever floats your boat. Or is mentioning boats racist too now?[/QUOTE]
Ah yes...the plight of the oppressed modern-day white man. Surely they, with all the advantages stolen because they won a genetic lottery, should not be held responsible for it. Instead, one should wallow and swim in it like Scrooge McDuck swims in his money bank. For what good is unearned status if you can't take advantage of it? If one was not born the correct race, then one should work that much harder because they deserve it and will be better for it...the world isn't fair. But no, not you. You didn't do anything to keep anyone down right? You earned everything you have...just by being born white. And what do you do with it? You make sure that things stay the way they are.

So while you're sitting where ever you're sitting being butt hurt because someone on the internet called you a racist while you pretend to not know what racism is, you're no better than a holocaust denier.

If you're defense is "I don't call people n----rs and that should be good enough for you," then the only thing you're missing is a hood and some rope.

You can't even speak out against the political machinations that propagate this inequity. Get fucked.
 
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While we're on the topic of racism, I wonder how people feel about Michele Machmann's claim that the founding fathers "worked tirelessly" to end slavery.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']While we're on the topic of racism, I wonder how people feel about Michele Machmann's claim that the founding fathers "worked tirelessly" to end slavery.[/QUOTE]

There's a dude who goes on Glenn Beck who enjoys partaking in revisionist history, especially regarding slavery. She's drinking the kool-aid. Sure, there were many founders against slavery, but there were also many more who were not. Or, at the very least, tacitly approved of it. To say anything else is untrue. I hope she and Palin run for president, I'll laugh heartily during the Republican debates.
 
They're good for a laugh, but I usually have a hard time really laughing at them.

Nutjobs are fine.

Nutjobs who are elected mean there are people who agree with them.
Nutjobs who are regarded as electable mean their ideas are treated reverently by the media.
Nutjobs who are given airtime are given credibility.

And they're also smart enough to realize that they must frame the media as evil and liberal - they get the airtime, and when they're criticized for their blithering idiocy (as Bachmann was, rightly, by Anderson Cooper), their supporters already know the defensive position: they're unfairly attacked by an evil media who only supports liberals.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I address your points.[/QUOTE]

No. No, you don't. You make up bull-crap statements, attribute them to me, then attack me for the statements that you made up. That's your standard operating procedure on these boards.
 
What pisses me off about most republicans is that they are (generally speaking, so yeah i know it's a generalization) so pro-jesus. Leave religion out of politics you fucking twats.

Also they're so bigoted and xenophobic compared to dems, it's disgusting how hate filled they are. Also I don't get the warmongering at all.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']What pisses me off about most republicans is that they are (generally speaking, so yeah i know it's a generalization) so pro-jesus. Leave religion out of politics you fucking twats.[/quote]

Well, can't wait to hear what you think of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Also they're so bigoted and xenophobic compared to dems, it's disgusting how hate filled they are. Also I don't get the warmongering at all.
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What's even more disgusting are the people that try and label those that don't support certain social programs or believe in certain roles for government as being "hate filled" and "xenophobic".
 
Only you guys can argue so vehemently that no race should be singled out because of the color of their skin, and then go ahead and accept someone saying that the majority of white people are racist because they are white.
 
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It's shades of gray, get it? Bah....
 
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The governor of New Mexico, a former state attorney, openly and knowingly violated the New Mexico state constitution in order to block a carbon pollution bill.

Guess who her biggest contributors were?

The state Supreme Court allegedly took less than 30 minutes to decide the case.

The local power company has requested rate hikes to pay for the fines they incurred while ignoring the law and to cover litigation costs related to the case.

Stay classy, Republicans.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Only you guys can argue so vehemently that no race should be singled out because of the color of their skin, and then go ahead and accept someone saying that the majority of white people are racist because they are white.[/QUOTE]

Multiple quotes and multiple pieces of evidence please. Thank you.
 
[quote name='speedracer']The governor of New Mexico, a former state attorney, openly and knowingly violated the New Mexico state constitution in order to block a carbon pollution bill.[/QUOTE]

The court will find against her favor even if it wasn't done knowingly. Source that shows she was doing it knowingly?

(devil's advocate: state attorney doesn't mean smart, I'm afraid. assuming that a high-level elected politician knowingly violated the law is conjecture based on a history of us electing pretty bloody inept people to run the state.)
 
[quote name='Knoell']
Sorry to let you all know, but white does not equal racist, despite your personal beliefs.
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[quote name='dohdough']
I have met very few exceptions. Like a handful in person. Racist also encompasses more than wearing a hood or using n-----r in public, but I know that's not what you meant.
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Quoted the offender, your silence is the proof.


Now you all will go on to say it isn't your job to criticize every post someone makes (or you will deny it is at all wrong). It is hard to take that excuse seriously, when you all consistantly jump on anyone else who says such broad based things about any other race.

If you deny it is at all wrong (it is his personal opinion and experience after all) you probably are like dohdough and think since someone is white, then they must have the same characteristics as other white people. Things such as slavery, segragation, disadvantages to minorities, because of the color of their skin.

If any of you believe that, you truly are nutjobs.

Clak is a good example. Since I dislike white people being called racist because they are white I would support plantations if this was the 1800's. Complete BS but you know I am white so I must have that inherant racism gene.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Ah yes...the plight of the oppressed modern-day white man. Surely they, with all the advantages stolen because they won a genetic lottery, should not be held responsible for it. Instead, one should wallow and swim in it like Scrooge McDuck swims in his money bank. For what good is unearned status if you can't take advantage of it? If one was not born the correct race, then one should work that much harder because they deserve it and will be better for it...the world isn't fair. But no, not you. You didn't do anything to keep anyone down right? You earned everything you have...just by being born white. And what do you do with it? You make sure that things stay the way they are.

So while you're sitting where ever you're sitting being butt hurt because someone on the internet called you a racist while you pretend to not know what racism is, you're no better than a holocaust denier.

If you're defense is "I don't call people n----rs and that should be good enough for you," then the only thing you're missing is a hood and some rope.

You can't even speak out against the political machinations that propagate this inequity. Get fucked.[/QUOTE]

I seem to have forgotten where I got all "woe is me" about being born white. Leave that bullshit to Rush and keep me out of it.
And honestly pal, I'm not upset about your ranting against me, to the contrary I find it hilarious. You've decided to know everything about my life given our 10-15 episodes of butting heads. Good for you! I'll send a fruit basket to congratulate your amazing investigative skills. In the meantime I'll just keep on keepin' on with the subjugation of your ever so unfortunate race by means of purchasing video games, going to work, eating at Subway and most importantly of all in my grand scheme; BEER! Meanwhile I'm going to promote my Turkish co-worker (he's Muslim which is like double black or something) and fuck an east Indian girl to prove that I'm not racist, I just really dislike black people because it's more funny that way.

Hugs,
Nasum
 
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[quote name='Knoell']Quoted the offender, your silence is the proof.


Now you all will go on to say it isn't your job to criticize every post someone makes (or you will deny it is at all wrong). It is hard to take that excuse seriously, when you all consistantly jump on anyone else who says such broad based things about any other race.

If you deny it is at all wrong (it is his personal opinion and experience after all) you probably are like dohdough and think since someone is white, then they must have the same characteristics as other white people. Things such as slavery, segragation, disadvantages to minorities, because of the color of their skin.

If any of you believe that, you truly are nutjobs.

Clak is a good example. Since I dislike white people being called racist because they are white I would support plantations if this was the 1800's. Complete BS but you know I am white so I must have that inherant racism gene.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='nasum']I seem to have forgotten where I got all "woe is me" about being born white. Leave that bullshit to Rush and keep me out of it.
And honestly pal, I'm not upset about your ranting against me, to the contrary I find it hilarious. You've decided to know everything about my life given our 10-15 episodes of butting heads. Good for you! I'll send a fruit basket to congratulate your amazing investigative skills. In the meantime I'll just keep on keepin' on with the subjugation of your ever so unfortunate race by means of purchasing video games, going to work, eating at Subway and most importantly of all in my grand scheme; BEER!

Hugs,
Nasum[/QUOTE]
Racism is more than just overt acts. It's a system of oppression based on skin color that you benefit from just by being the right shade of pink. Thanks for your contributions to it.
 
That's all well and good, but if you're not an active participant, it doesn't mean that you're still a prick.

Look at it this way, all the players on the New York Yankees are assholes. That's just a given fact that we don't need to debate. The batboy that only works home games on Wednesdays may be a part of the Yankees, but he's not an asshole. You're still saying he's an asshole because of his association with the Yankees, while not being a part of the asshole Yankees.

Dig?
 
[quote name='nasum']That's all well and good, but if you're not an active participant, it doesn't mean that you're still a prick.

Look at it this way, all the players on the New York Yankees are assholes. That's just a given fact that we don't need to debate. The batboy that only works home games on Wednesdays may be a part of the Yankees, but he's not an asshole. You're still saying he's an asshole because of his association with the Yankees, while not being a part of the asshole Yankees.

Dig?[/QUOTE]
Racists can be nice. They can love their pets, donate to helpful charities, shovel sidewalks for their elderly neighbors, hold open doors for the handicapped, work in a soup kitchen, etc. But you can still be an asshole when it comes to race. I understand this perfectly.

You dig?

And if you white knight assholes, don't be surprised when people think you're the same kind of asshole too.
 
I grok and honestly that's the best post you've had on the subject.
What makes you such a frustrating person is that you imply that one HAS to be an asshole about race regardless of that person's level of assholery on other subjects. You bring this disposition that makes one assume that you hate whitey for the sake of hating whitey and that all your interactions with whitey through your day to day business leave you next to tears in your car ready to go postal. Like some day I'm going to hear about you going to a GAP and fucking people up.

So this nice racist at the soup kitchen, is he doing it because he honestly cares about people, or is he doing it for the opportunity to gloat?
 
I'm going to wax a little philosophical here. If a person does nothing to right a wrong, is that person just as guilty as those who are doing wrong? What I'm getting at is, I don't think anyone here (though you'd never know from the words which are put in our mouths) thinks every white person is actively racist. However, if a person makes no effort to understand racism or it's effects on society, makes no attempt to ensure everyone ha an equal chance at something, then aren't they at least as bad as those who actively promote racism? And I'm not saying everyone should be actively involved in a group or something, just take the time to understand the impact that racism has on the society you live in.
 
Let's remember how this all started.

[quote name='Clak']And there is absolutely no reason why a minority should fear a white person may be screwing them over either.

Cause you know, that's never happened.

Ever.[/QUOTE]

Bob tried to say that we would be all over him if he tried to post that with the roles reversed (which we would because it would be horseshit in that case. there are still alot of cases of institutional racism, exploiting black people and other minorites, happening today or at least within the past 2-3 years)

Somehow Knoell got to this

[quote name='Knoell']But yet you go ahead and say that minorities truely should fear white people because they are white.[/QUOTE]

And now the argument has been perverted into some type of "you are racist if you are white" thing which has nothing to do with the original set of posts.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Quoted the offender, your silence is the proof.


Now you all will go on to say it isn't your job to criticize every post someone makes (or you will deny it is at all wrong). It is hard to take that excuse seriously, when you all consistantly jump on anyone else who says such broad based things about any other race.

If you deny it is at all wrong (it is his personal opinion and experience after all) you probably are like dohdough and think since someone is white, then they must have the same characteristics as other white people. Things such as slavery, segragation, disadvantages to minorities, because of the color of their skin.[/QUOTE]

Goddamn that's some horseshit. But let's apply your shitty rule consistently.

rumblebear consistently makes posts calling the Clintons and Rahm racists who hate black people.

Every single one of rumblebear's posts is met with Knoell's silence.

You'll probably say he's not being serious or something. Yet when a Republican is called racist you jump on it and attack it.

Draw your own conclusions from Knoell's silence people. The silence is truly deafening.
 
[quote name='Clak']I'm going to wax a little philosophical here. If a person does nothing to right a wrong, is that person just as guilty as those who are doing wrong?[/QUOTE]

This is the train of thought that leads the US Army into other countries for "Nation Building". They're doing it wrong - we have a moral obligation to make them make it right!
 
Why are any of you guys even bothering to respond to Unclebob or Knoell? They constantly change the subject, moving a topic little by little toward major Republican ideals, until the discussion no longer resembles the origin. They then choose to regurgitate the same tired tripe trash talking points, dismissing every counter argument with a first grader's level of panache. They constantly interrupt topics with insipid remarks to drive it toward whatever flavor-of-the-day Fox News is spewing.

It's THE definition of trolling.

Just stop responding to them. It's less than not worth it - it's backward unevolution in discourse. You can seriously have more engaging conversations with plants.
 
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