The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread
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[quote name='UncleBob']This is the train of thought that leads the US Army into other countries for "Nation Building". They're doing it wrong - we have a moral obligation to make them make it right![/QUOTE]
What in the bloody blue
does our foreign policy have a damn thing to do with ANY OF THIS?
me....
Out of all I posted, that's what stuck out to you?
What in the bloody blue
does our foreign policy have a damn thing to do with ANY OF THIS? me....Out of all I posted, that's what stuck out to you?
[quote name='Strell']Why are any of you guys even bothering to respond to Unclebob or Knoell? They constantly change the subject, moving a topic little by little toward major Republican ideals, until the discussion no longer resembles the origin. They then choose to regurgitate the same tired tripe trash talking points, dismissing every counter argument with a first grader's level of panache. They constantly interrupt topics with insipid remarks to drive it toward whatever flavor-of-the-day Fox News is spewing.
It's THE definition of trolling.
Just stop responding to them. It's less than not worth it - it's backward unevolution in discourse. You can seriously have more engaging conversations with plants.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Clak']What in the bloody blue does our foreign policy have a damn thing to do with ANY OF THIS?
me....
Out of all I posted, that's what stuck out to you?[/QUOTE]
Well, it was the very first thing you posted and the cornerstone of the thought behind the post.
No, I don't believe because you're not out there actively working against something that it makes you a part of it.
It's THE definition of trolling.
Just stop responding to them. It's less than not worth it - it's backward unevolution in discourse. You can seriously have more engaging conversations with plants.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Clak']What in the bloody blue
does our foreign policy have a damn thing to do with ANY OF THIS? me....Out of all I posted, that's what stuck out to you?[/QUOTE]
Well, it was the very first thing you posted and the cornerstone of the thought behind the post.
No, I don't believe because you're not out there actively working against something that it makes you a part of it.
It's time for Republizen Koans!
If a Republican buys a box of 64 crayons, does he throw 62 of them away?
If a Republican dyes an Easter egg, does it instantly disappear?
If a bride has a wedding dress that isn't white, does that mean she's naked?
If we painted the White House some other color, would it become invisible?
If a newspaper is black and white and read all over, how can Republicans trust that it's real?
OPEN YOUR MIND, CHILDREN. SEE WITH YOUR INNER EYE.
If a Republican buys a box of 64 crayons, does he throw 62 of them away?
If a Republican dyes an Easter egg, does it instantly disappear?
If a bride has a wedding dress that isn't white, does that mean she's naked?
If we painted the White House some other color, would it become invisible?
If a newspaper is black and white and read all over, how can Republicans trust that it's real?
OPEN YOUR MIND, CHILDREN. SEE WITH YOUR INNER EYE.
[quote name='Clak']I'm going to wax a little philosophical here. If a person does nothing to right a wrong, is that person just as guilty as those who are doing wrong? What I'm getting at is, I don't think anyone here (though you'd never know from the words which are put in our mouths) thinks every white person is actively racist. However, if a person makes no effort to understand racism or it's effects on society, makes no attempt to ensure everyone ha an equal chance at something, then aren't they at least as bad as those who actively promote racism? And I'm not saying everyone should be actively involved in a group or something, just take the time to understand the impact that racism has on the society you live in.[/QUOTE]
So what if they don't reflect? What are they doing wrong? What does color have to do with any of this? Are all hispanics racist too? How about asians? Or is it just a you are the majority so you don't understand the plight of minorities type of thing? Because not understanding the plight of minorities makes you this huh?:
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Learn the definition of racism before you describe an entire race as racists. You say they (white people) all obviously aren't actively racist but since they do not reflect on racism, and are white, they share some trait of racism.
What trait of racism is that exactly?
The last sentance of the definition lands close to your point, but is that a white thing to do? Two white people are on opposite sides of the country, if one discriminates against a black person, does the white person on the other side of the country earn some sort of guilt or penance because they are the same color? How is this not discrimination in and of itself?
But no, you all don't want to hear this, as evidenced by the last page. You deal in absolutes, you are right, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot and you are beating your head against the wall because you disagree with someone. Why won't people just agree with you and shut up?
So what if they don't reflect? What are they doing wrong? What does color have to do with any of this? Are all hispanics racist too? How about asians? Or is it just a you are the majority so you don't understand the plight of minorities type of thing? Because not understanding the plight of minorities makes you this huh?:
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Learn the definition of racism before you describe an entire race as racists. You say they (white people) all obviously aren't actively racist but since they do not reflect on racism, and are white, they share some trait of racism.
What trait of racism is that exactly?
The last sentance of the definition lands close to your point, but is that a white thing to do? Two white people are on opposite sides of the country, if one discriminates against a black person, does the white person on the other side of the country earn some sort of guilt or penance because they are the same color? How is this not discrimination in and of itself?
But no, you all don't want to hear this, as evidenced by the last page. You deal in absolutes, you are right, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot and you are beating your head against the wall because you disagree with someone. Why won't people just agree with you and shut up?
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[quote name='mykevermin']The court will find against her favor even if it wasn't done knowingly. Source that shows she was doing it knowingly?
(devil's advocate: state attorney doesn't mean smart, I'm afraid. assuming that a high-level elected politician knowingly violated the law is conjecture based on a history of us electing pretty bloody inept people to run the state.)[/QUOTE]
I like to think I'm pretty callous to arguments made on the tubes, but your suggestion actually angered me. Not that you made it (it's perfectly rational in today's world), but that it actually IS perfectly rational in today's world.
I refuse to believe a state attorney turned Governor doesn't know her state Constitution. I can't, man. I justing can't.
(devil's advocate: state attorney doesn't mean smart, I'm afraid. assuming that a high-level elected politician knowingly violated the law is conjecture based on a history of us electing pretty bloody inept people to run the state.)[/QUOTE]
I like to think I'm pretty callous to arguments made on the tubes, but your suggestion actually angered me. Not that you made it (it's perfectly rational in today's world), but that it actually IS perfectly rational in today's world.
I refuse to believe a state attorney turned Governor doesn't know her state Constitution. I can't, man. I just
ing can't.
[quote name='Knoell']So what if they don't reflect? What are they doing wrong? What does color have to do with any of this? Are all hispanics racist too? How about asians? Or is it just a you are the majority so you don't understand the plight of minorities type of thing? Because not understanding the plight of minorities makes you this huh?:[/quote]
At not even reflecting, they tacitly approve of the social hierachy based solely on 400+ years of racial supremacy of which they benefit. The predjudice of people of color is irrelevant due to the fact that they hold Very little insitutional or even economical power as a demographic.
[quote name='Wiki']
Any of this sound familiar?
At not even reflecting, they tacitly approve of the social hierachy based solely on 400+ years of racial supremacy of which they benefit. The predjudice of people of color is irrelevant due to the fact that they hold Very little insitutional or even economical power as a demographic.
Ummm...did you forget to read the last part of your definition? So who benefits from institutional racism?
Reading comprehension. Use it.
If they're both white, then they BOTH benefit from institutional racism. Not hard to put these things together, smart guy.
You didn't read your post. You're obviously arguing with yourself on the definition you provided as fact and the examples you use. Talk about a dog chasing its tail.
[quote name='Wiki']
Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.
Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N----r, n----r, n----r." By 1968 you can't say "n----r" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced bussing , states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N----r, n----r."
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Any of this sound familiar?
[quote name='Knoell']So what if they don't reflect? What are they doing wrong? What does color have to do with any of this? Are all hispanics racist too? How about asians? Or is it just a you are the majority so you don't understand the plight of minorities type of thing? Because not understanding the plight of minorities makes you this huh?:
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Learn the definition of racism before you describe an entire race as racists. You say they (white people) all obviously aren't actively racist but since they do not reflect on racism, and are white, they share some trait of racism.
What trait of racism is that exactly?
The last sentance of the definition lands close to your point, but is that a white thing to do? Two white people are on opposite sides of the country, if one discriminates against a black person, does the white person on the other side of the country earn some sort of guilt or penance because they are the same color? How is this not discrimination in and of itself?
But no, you all don't want to hear this, as evidenced by the last page. You deal in absolutes, you are right, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot and you are beating your head against the wall because you disagree with someone. Why won't people just agree with you and shut up?[/QUOTE]
Quick show of text fellas, who here believes that, technically speaking, only white people can be racist?
Now that that ridiculousness is out of the way, all white people benefit to some degree from the existence of institutional racism as it has stood since the founding of this country. Is it less of a benefit today than in the past? Sure. Does that mean it doesn't exist at all? no.
Can only white people be racist? Of course not, you're stupid for thinking we believe that. But when you're the majority, and have, again since the founding of the country, had an institutional advantage over all other races, it's only natural that people of those other races may hate your ass because your people oppressed their people for centuries.
Whether you're racist or not you benefit from it if you're white, bonus points if you're a white male. Deny it if it makes you feel better. I know you think we’re just full of white guilt or other such nonsense. When you’re able to understand what we’re talking about perhaps we can have a real discussion on it rather than just “YoU gUys ThiNk AlL wHitE PeopLes aRe RaCIst.”
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Learn the definition of racism before you describe an entire race as racists. You say they (white people) all obviously aren't actively racist but since they do not reflect on racism, and are white, they share some trait of racism.
What trait of racism is that exactly?
The last sentance of the definition lands close to your point, but is that a white thing to do? Two white people are on opposite sides of the country, if one discriminates against a black person, does the white person on the other side of the country earn some sort of guilt or penance because they are the same color? How is this not discrimination in and of itself?
But no, you all don't want to hear this, as evidenced by the last page. You deal in absolutes, you are right, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot and you are beating your head against the wall because you disagree with someone. Why won't people just agree with you and shut up?[/QUOTE]
Quick show of text fellas, who here believes that, technically speaking, only white people can be racist?
Now that that ridiculousness is out of the way, all white people benefit to some degree from the existence of institutional racism as it has stood since the founding of this country. Is it less of a benefit today than in the past? Sure. Does that mean it doesn't exist at all?
no.Can only white people be racist? Of course not, you're stupid for thinking we believe that. But when you're the majority, and have, again since the founding of the country, had an institutional advantage over all other races, it's only natural that people of those other races may hate your ass because your people oppressed their people for centuries.
Whether you're racist or not you benefit from it if you're white, bonus points if you're a white male. Deny it if it makes you feel better. I know you think we’re just full of white guilt or other such nonsense. When you’re able to understand what we’re talking about perhaps we can have a real discussion on it rather than just “YoU gUys ThiNk AlL wHitE PeopLes aRe RaCIst.”
[quote name='Clak']Quick show of text fellas, who here believes that, technically speaking, only white people can be racist?[/QUOTE]
Speak for yourself you cracka ass cracka. All white devils are racist and evil.
Technicality, people of color can't be racist because they have virtually no institutional power to act on that "racism." Scholars define racism as a system, not just an act or mentality. Prejudice, on the otherhand, is univerally accepted.
Using the term "racist" when refering to people of color implies some sort of perverted equilavence.
Yay for nuance.
Speak for yourself you cracka ass cracka. All white devils are racist and evil.
Technicality, people of color can't be racist because they have virtually no institutional power to act on that "racism." Scholars define racism as a system, not just an act or mentality. Prejudice, on the otherhand, is univerally accepted.
Using the term "racist" when refering to people of color implies some sort of perverted equilavence.
Yay for nuance.
So how is it that East Indians can come over here and be successful? Why do we have an "illegal immigration problem" if non-whites are coming here to send money back home? How is it that Somali business owners in Minneapolis are thriving? There are chinks in the armor of your argument, but you're certain that it is 100% absolute.
I can understand how this issue is most heartfelt for you, but you need to realize that the preaching to the choir you do amongst your peers comes across as severe bigotry and your message is ignored because you're a shitty teacher/commentator/what have you.
Racism is a system? Fine, I'll go along with that for the time being. But to categorically lump all white people (what about people in interracial marriages, are they racist too?) into the group because they're unwittingly part of this system is equal to what you're railing against. Again, your message goes unheeded because you're being a dick.
I can understand how this issue is most heartfelt for you, but you need to realize that the preaching to the choir you do amongst your peers comes across as severe bigotry and your message is ignored because you're a shitty teacher/commentator/what have you.
Racism is a system? Fine, I'll go along with that for the time being. But to categorically lump all white people (what about people in interracial marriages, are they racist too?) into the group because they're unwittingly part of this system is equal to what you're railing against. Again, your message goes unheeded because you're being a dick.
[quote name='Clak']Quick show of text fellas, who here believes that, technically speaking, only white people can be racist?
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Before I read the rest of your post let me fix your question.
Who here believes that, white people because of the color of their skin have to prove something, anything, to ensure they aren't racist?
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Before I read the rest of your post let me fix your question.
Who here believes that, white people because of the color of their skin have to prove something, anything, to ensure they aren't racist?
You're posting a lot of bullshit here so I'm going to parse through all of it. These are pre-school level points you made.
[quote name='nasum']So how is it that East Indians can come over here and be successful?[/QUOTE]
Not all immigrants that come over are uneducated. In matter of fact, the US immigration policy favors those that are educated over those not. This is why you may see Asians being "more" successful, but that doesn't mean that as a group, they are. Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotion, and other Southeast Asian ethnicities don't see similar results as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or even non-East Indians.
how it comes off. I'm not going to pacify my tone to make it "acceptable" for white people; I'm going to tell it like it is.
About interracial relationships, who says that the white person can't have racist socialization that they don't project? Or who says that the person of color doesn't have internalized racism?
White people are not unwitting victims, especially not you. You just play dumb and pretend that you don't know anything about it, which couldn't be anything further form the truth or else you wouldn't know what to defend.
Look at what you're defending: The Model Minority Myth and de facto white supremacy. You don't want to march on line and fight for equality? Fine. But you can't even manage to speak against it on a goddamn anonymous forum for cheap assed gamers. Pathetic.
You can call me a dick all you want. They called MLK a socialist and a communist by people using the exact same arguments as you. I'm not comparing myself ot him, but biging deal if you don't like how I say it.
[quote name='nasum']So how is it that East Indians can come over here and be successful?[/QUOTE]
Not all immigrants that come over are uneducated. In matter of fact, the US immigration policy favors those that are educated over those not. This is why you may see Asians being "more" successful, but that doesn't mean that as a group, they are. Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotion, and other Southeast Asian ethnicities don't see similar results as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or even non-East Indians.
Just because the US is a shit hole doesn't mean that other places are more of a shit hole. C'mon son, use that brain of yours to make intelligent points and not those of a goddamned child.
How many business owners are Somali? What is the Somali population? What is the education level of the Somalis?
There are no chinks in my armour. I've forgotten more than you've ever known about this stuff. You're the one tokenizing and using stereotypes to support your defense of your whiteness.
LOLZ...you're not going to learn a single thing from anything I say. I don't give a
how it comes off. I'm not going to pacify my tone to make it "acceptable" for white people; I'm going to tell it like it is.If you're white, you benefit from your whiteness on every respective socio-economic step. We're not comparing Oprah to Joe the Plumber...that's moronic.
About interracial relationships, who says that the white person can't have racist socialization that they don't project? Or who says that the person of color doesn't have internalized racism?
White people are not unwitting victims, especially not you. You just play dumb and pretend that you don't know anything about it, which couldn't be anything further form the truth or else you wouldn't know what to defend.
Look at what you're defending: The Model Minority Myth and de facto white supremacy. You don't want to march on line and fight for equality? Fine. But you can't even manage to speak against it on a goddamn anonymous forum for cheap assed gamers. Pathetic.
You can call me a dick all you want. They called MLK a socialist and a communist by people using the exact same arguments as you. I'm not comparing myself ot him, but big
ing deal if you don't like how I say it.[quote name='Knoell']Before I read the rest of your post let me fix your question.
Who here believes that, white people because of the color of their skin have to prove something, anything, to ensure they aren't racist?[/QUOTE]
Apparently that isn't possible so why bother trying? Might as well find a different cross to burn since dohdough seems pretty intent on carrying this one around with him all the time...
Who here believes that, white people because of the color of their skin have to prove something, anything, to ensure they aren't racist?[/QUOTE]
Apparently that isn't possible so why bother trying? Might as well find a different cross to burn since dohdough seems pretty intent on carrying this one around with him all the time...
[quote name='nasum']Apparently that isn't possible so why bother trying? Might as well find a different cross to burn since dohdough seems pretty intent on carrying this one around with him all the time...[/QUOTE]
Right, anyone can magically become white with all it's privileges in this society just by brushing that "chip" off their shoulder.
How about you grow some brains where your balls should be and address my points.
edit: Why the should people of color try any harder? Aren't they already being oppressed enough? Why don't YOU s try MUCH MORE harder instead.
Right, anyone can magically become white with all it's privileges in this society just by brushing that "chip" off their shoulder.
How about you grow some brains where your balls should be and address my points.
edit: Why the
should people of color try any harder? Aren't they already being oppressed enough? Why don't YOU s try MUCH MORE harder instead.[quote name='dohdough']Speak for yourself you cracka ass cracka. All white devils are racist and evil.
Technicality, people of color can't be racist because they have virtually no institutional power to act on that "racism." Scholars define racism as a system, not just an act or mentality. Prejudice, on the otherhand, is univerally accepted.
Using the term "racist" when refering to people of color implies some sort of perverted equilavence.
Yay for nuance.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to throw Knoell a bone, I don't know why. His point is that the straight definition of racism could be applied to anyone regardless of color. Of course that definition doesn't take anything else into account. But it is of course technically possible for anyone to be racist, but only technically, the situation has to be right for it. When one race has oppressed another for years, it's hard to say that the oppressors don't deserve any hate they get.
[quote name='Knoell']Before I read the rest of your post let me fix your question.
Who here believes that, white people because of the color of their skin have to prove something, anything, to ensure they aren't racist?[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone is saying they do have to prove anything. You're proving you don't really understand the issue, but you don't have to.
Technicality, people of color can't be racist because they have virtually no institutional power to act on that "racism." Scholars define racism as a system, not just an act or mentality. Prejudice, on the otherhand, is univerally accepted.
Using the term "racist" when refering to people of color implies some sort of perverted equilavence.
Yay for nuance.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to throw Knoell a bone, I don't know why. His point is that the straight definition of racism could be applied to anyone regardless of color. Of course that definition doesn't take anything else into account. But it is of course technically possible for anyone to be racist, but only technically, the situation has to be right for it. When one race has oppressed another for years, it's hard to say that the oppressors don't deserve any hate they get.
[quote name='Knoell']Before I read the rest of your post let me fix your question.
Who here believes that, white people because of the color of their skin have to prove something, anything, to ensure they aren't racist?[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone is saying they do have to prove anything. You're proving you don't really understand the issue, but you don't have to.
You miss the point. Dohdough believes that white people start off being racist and no matter what they do in life, they could be a saint, they are still racist because they use the system that disadvantages black people. In his world many white civil rights leaders are racist because they used the system that black people are disadvantaged to.
And you are agreeing with it.
And you are agreeing with it.
I'm curious... if a white person uses the advantages built into "the system" they get by being white in order to attempt to help minorities... are they still racist?
[quote name='Clak']When one race has oppressed another for years, it's hard to say that the oppressors don't deserve any hate they get.[/QUOTE]
I totally get it now. It's 100% completely understandable to cast hate upon a large group of people based on what other people within that large group did to the people in your large group.
[quote name='Clak']When one race has oppressed another for years, it's hard to say that the oppressors don't deserve any hate they get.[/QUOTE]
I totally get it now. It's 100% completely understandable to cast hate upon a large group of people based on what other people within that large group did to the people in your large group.
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[quote name='UncleBob']I'm curious... if a white person uses the advantages built into "the system" they get by being white in order to attempt to help minorities.[/QUOTE]
for example?
for example?
[quote name='UncleBob']I'm curious... if a white person uses the advantages built into "the system" they get by being white in order to attempt to help minorities... are they still racist?[/QUOTE]
There are no 'advantages' to being white. There is no 'the system'. Poor people are poor because they choose to be poor. In America you can be anything you want to be.
There are no 'advantages' to being white. There is no 'the system'. Poor people are poor because they choose to be poor. In America you can be anything you want to be.
[quote name='IRHari']There are no 'advantages' to being white. There is no 'the system'. Poor people are poor because they choose to be poor. In America you can be anything you want to be.[/QUOTE]
So why are there white poor people? We already went through the fact that there is a shitload of them. If they decided to just stand up and take advantage of the system made for them, they should be just fine right?
Why do we not treat people who have prejudice, hate, discriminate etc as individuals who commit such terrible things instead of as a collective race?
If we created a bureau of law enforcement to police racism should they target white people?
This would be strikingly similiar to racial profiling, such as illegals in arizona, and muslims extremists.
For some reason I think you guys would agree with this one though. Why? (note I am not asking if we should create a bureau, but rather should they target white people? And if you don't agree, I am wrong about you.)
So why are there white poor people? We already went through the fact that there is a shitload of them. If they decided to just stand up and take advantage of the system made for them, they should be just fine right?
Why do we not treat people who have prejudice, hate, discriminate etc as individuals who commit such terrible things instead of as a collective race?
If we created a bureau of law enforcement to police racism should they target white people?
This would be strikingly similiar to racial profiling, such as illegals in arizona, and muslims extremists.
For some reason I think you guys would agree with this one though. Why? (note I am not asking if we should create a bureau, but rather should they target white people? And if you don't agree, I am wrong about you.)
[quote name='Knoell']So why are there white poor people? We already went through the fact that there is a shitload of them. If they decided to just stand up and take advantage of the system made for them, they should be just fine right?
Why do we not treat people who have prejudice, hate, discriminate etc as individuals who commit such terrible things instead of as a collective race?
If we created a bureau of law enforcement to police racism should they target white people?
This would be strikingly similiar to racial profiling, such as illegals in arizona, and muslims extremists.
For some reason I think you guys would agree with this one though. Why? (note I am not asking if we should create a bureau, but rather should they target white people? And if you don't agree, I am wrong about you.)[/QUOTE]
I already addressed that with this:
[quote name='dohdough']Yes. You do. Because you still benefit from it. On every single step on the socio-economic ladder, it pays more to be white than black. If you're not helping to make things more equal, which you're not, you're part of the problem.
Would you rather be black with everything that it entails? I think not.[/QUOTE]
Why the do idiots always compare Oprah to some poor white person. Doesn't make any ing sense.
So you not only state that racial profiling is a serious issue in this country, yet if there's a hint of a hypothetical situation where it would target white people, THEN you talk about the injustice of it...only when it applies to white people. Nope...nothing racist here fellas.
Why do we not treat people who have prejudice, hate, discriminate etc as individuals who commit such terrible things instead of as a collective race?
If we created a bureau of law enforcement to police racism should they target white people?
This would be strikingly similiar to racial profiling, such as illegals in arizona, and muslims extremists.
For some reason I think you guys would agree with this one though. Why? (note I am not asking if we should create a bureau, but rather should they target white people? And if you don't agree, I am wrong about you.)[/QUOTE]
I already addressed that with this:
[quote name='dohdough']Yes. You do. Because you still benefit from it. On every single step on the socio-economic ladder, it pays more to be white than black. If you're not helping to make things more equal, which you're not, you're part of the problem.
Would you rather be black with everything that it entails? I think not.[/QUOTE]
Why the
do idiots always compare Oprah to some poor white person. Doesn't make any ing sense.So you not only state that racial profiling is a serious issue in this country, yet if there's a hint of a hypothetical situation where it would target white people, THEN you talk about the injustice of it...only when it applies to white people. Nope...nothing racist here fellas.
Anyone happen to catch Bill Maher's show last night? I'd like to point out that Jack Kingston is a ing moron. Kim Campbell (a dirty socialist former Canadian Prime Minister) asked him if he believed that the overuse of anitbiotics can lead to bacteria forming a resistance to them. Kingston, feeling where she was going, weaseled out and said that was an adaptation, not evolution. Here is the problem, adaptation is a mechanism of evolution.
Things evolve to adapt to their environments. So Rep. Kingston, you sir prove why when it comes to anything involving science, Republicans should not only not be trusted, but completely ignored, as it's obvious none of you care to understand any of it.
ing moron. Kim Campbell (a dirty socialist former Canadian Prime Minister) asked him if he believed that the overuse of anitbiotics can lead to bacteria forming a resistance to them. Kingston, feeling where she was going, weaseled out and said that was an adaptation, not evolution. Here is the problem, adaptation is a mechanism of evolution.Things evolve to adapt to their environments. So Rep. Kingston, you sir prove why when it comes to anything involving science, Republicans should not only not be trusted, but completely ignored, as it's obvious none of you care to understand any of it.
[quote name='Knoell']You miss the point. Dohdough believes that white people start off being racist and no matter what they do in life, they could be a saint, they are still racist because they use the system that disadvantages black people. In his world many white civil rights leaders are racist because they used the system that black people are disadvantaged to.
And you are agreeing with it.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, Knoell is telepathic? Hey Knoell, see if you can read what I'm thinking right now.
And you are agreeing with it.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, Knoell is telepathic? Hey Knoell, see if you can read what I'm thinking right now.
That's a good one actually.[quote name='dohdough']I already addressed that with this:
Why the do idiots always compare Oprah to some poor white person. Doesn't make any ing sense.
So you not only state that racial profiling is a serious issue in this country, yet if there's a hint of a hypothetical situation where it would target white people, THEN you talk about the injustice of it...only when it applies to white people. Nope...nothing racist here fellas.[/QUOTE]
When people talk about racial profiling for illegal immigrants when statistics back it, you jump all over it, when people talk about profiling muslims because of the rise in extremism, you jump all over it, And suddenly when racial profiling targets white people for being racist because they are white you are ok with it?
Your defense goes both ways, the problem is that I am identifying the consistancy of YOUR beliefs not mine.
If a cop has a hispanic in detention for committing some other offense and wants to check if he or she is illegal because they are hispanic and 79% of illegal immigrants are hispanics. Fine do it up.
If every 5th arab has to be patted down at an airport more often than every 20th child. Do it up
If a white man doesn't hire a black man for no good apparent reason, and the black man complains of discrimination, fine investigate.
The fact that you say all whites are considered racist until proven otherwise is despicable. Do you see how it is backwards?
Why the
do idiots always compare Oprah to some poor white person. Doesn't make any ing sense.So you not only state that racial profiling is a serious issue in this country, yet if there's a hint of a hypothetical situation where it would target white people, THEN you talk about the injustice of it...only when it applies to white people. Nope...nothing racist here fellas.[/QUOTE]
When people talk about racial profiling for illegal immigrants when statistics back it, you jump all over it, when people talk about profiling muslims because of the rise in extremism, you jump all over it, And suddenly when racial profiling targets white people for being racist because they are white you are ok with it?
Your defense goes both ways, the problem is that I am identifying the consistancy of YOUR beliefs not mine.
If a cop has a hispanic in detention for committing some other offense and wants to check if he or she is illegal because they are hispanic and 79% of illegal immigrants are hispanics. Fine do it up.
If every 5th arab has to be patted down at an airport more often than every 20th child. Do it up
If a white man doesn't hire a black man for no good apparent reason, and the black man complains of discrimination, fine investigate.
The fact that you say all whites are considered racist until proven otherwise is despicable. Do you see how it is backwards?
I would love to be able to explain to you exactly what I, or anyone is trying to say, but I sim0ply don't know how. That's why it feels like we're talking to a brick wall with you, because we say something, then you take it and extrapolate it out to mean something which we don't. Then I try to explain what I actually mean, which at least doubles the number of posts I have to make, then I feel like the idiot for talking to a wall.
I guess it comes down to, do you not understand us or do you not want to?
I guess it comes down to, do you not understand us or do you not want to?
[quote name='Clak']I would love to be able to explain to you exactly what I, or anyone is trying to say, but I sim0ply don't know how. That's why it feels like we're talking to a brick wall with you, because we say something, then you take it and extrapolate it out to mean something which we don't. Then I try to explain what I actually mean, which at least doubles the number of posts I have to make, then I feel like the idiot for talking to a wall.
I guess it comes down to, do you not understand us or do you not want to?[/QUOTE]
.....are you kidding me? that is exactly what you just did to me. I am sure your little buddies will have your back though.
[quote name='Knoell']So what if they don't reflect? What are they doing wrong? What does color have to do with any of this? Are all hispanics racist too? How about asians? Or is it just a you are the majority so you don't understand the plight of minorities type of thing? Because not understanding the plight of minorities makes you this huh?:
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Learn the definition of racism before you describe an entire race as racists. You say they (white people) all obviously aren't actively racist but since they do not reflect on racism, and are white, they share some trait of racism.
What trait of racism is that exactly?
The last sentance of the definition lands close to your point, but is that a white thing to do? Two white people are on opposite sides of the country, if one discriminates against a black person, does the white person on the other side of the country earn some sort of guilt or penance because they are the same color? How is this not discrimination in and of itself?
But no, you all don't want to hear this, as evidenced by the last page. You deal in absolutes, you are right, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot and you are beating your head against the wall because you disagree with someone. Why won't people just agree with you and shut up? [/QUOTE]
[quote name='Clak']
Quick show of text fellas, who here believes that, technically speaking, only white people can be racist?
Now that that ridiculousness is out of the way, all white people benefit to some degree from the existence of institutional racism as it has stood since the founding of this country. Is it less of a benefit today than in the past? Sure. Does that mean it doesn't exist at all? no.
Can only white people be racist? Of course not, you're stupid for thinking we believe that. But when you're the majority, and have, again since the founding of the country, had an institutional advantage over all other races, it's only natural that people of those other races may hate your ass because your people oppressed their people for centuries.
Whether you're racist or not you benefit from it if you're white, bonus points if you're a white male. Deny it if it makes you feel better. I know you think we’re just full of white guilt or other such nonsense. When you’re able to understand what we’re talking about perhaps we can have a real discussion on it rather than just “YoU gUys ThiNk AlL wHitE PeopLes aRe RaCIst.”
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[quote name='Knoell']Before I read the rest of your post let me fix your question.
Who here believes that, white people because of the color of their skin have to prove something, anything, to ensure they aren't racist? [/QUOTE]
[quote name='Clak']I'm trying to throw Knoell a bone, I don't know why. His point is that the straight definition of racism could be applied to anyone regardless of color. Of course that definition doesn't take anything else into account. But it is of course technically possible for anyone to be racist, but only technically, the situation has to be right for it. When one race has oppressed another for years, it's hard to say that the oppressors don't deserve any hate they get.
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[quote name='Knoell']
You miss the point. Dohdough believes that white people start off being racist and no matter what they do in life, they could be a saint, they are still racist because they use the system that disadvantages black people. In his world many white civil rights leaders are racist because they used the system that black people are disadvantaged to.
And you are agreeing with it.
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[quote name='Clak']Holy shit, Knoell is telepathic? Hey Knoell, see if you can read what I'm thinking right now. [/Quote]
Here is a question. Men have oppressed women for far longer than minorities across the globe. Are all men sexist because they fall in with a system that tends to favor men?
I guess it comes down to, do you not understand us or do you not want to?[/QUOTE]
.....are you kidding me? that is exactly what you just did to me. I am sure your little buddies will have your back though.
[quote name='Knoell']So what if they don't reflect? What are they doing wrong? What does color have to do with any of this? Are all hispanics racist too? How about asians? Or is it just a you are the majority so you don't understand the plight of minorities type of thing? Because not understanding the plight of minorities makes you this huh?:
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Learn the definition of racism before you describe an entire race as racists. You say they (white people) all obviously aren't actively racist but since they do not reflect on racism, and are white, they share some trait of racism.
What trait of racism is that exactly?
The last sentance of the definition lands close to your point, but is that a white thing to do? Two white people are on opposite sides of the country, if one discriminates against a black person, does the white person on the other side of the country earn some sort of guilt or penance because they are the same color? How is this not discrimination in and of itself?
But no, you all don't want to hear this, as evidenced by the last page. You deal in absolutes, you are right, and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot and you are beating your head against the wall because you disagree with someone. Why won't people just agree with you and shut up? [/QUOTE]
[quote name='Clak']
Quick show of text fellas, who here believes that, technically speaking, only white people can be racist?
Now that that ridiculousness is out of the way, all white people benefit to some degree from the existence of institutional racism as it has stood since the founding of this country. Is it less of a benefit today than in the past? Sure. Does that mean it doesn't exist at all?
no.Can only white people be racist? Of course not, you're stupid for thinking we believe that. But when you're the majority, and have, again since the founding of the country, had an institutional advantage over all other races, it's only natural that people of those other races may hate your ass because your people oppressed their people for centuries.
Whether you're racist or not you benefit from it if you're white, bonus points if you're a white male. Deny it if it makes you feel better. I know you think we’re just full of white guilt or other such nonsense. When you’re able to understand what we’re talking about perhaps we can have a real discussion on it rather than just “YoU gUys ThiNk AlL wHitE PeopLes aRe RaCIst.”
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[quote name='Knoell']Before I read the rest of your post let me fix your question.
Who here believes that, white people because of the color of their skin have to prove something, anything, to ensure they aren't racist? [/QUOTE]
[quote name='Clak']I'm trying to throw Knoell a bone, I don't know why. His point is that the straight definition of racism could be applied to anyone regardless of color. Of course that definition doesn't take anything else into account. But it is of course technically possible for anyone to be racist, but only technically, the situation has to be right for it. When one race has oppressed another for years, it's hard to say that the oppressors don't deserve any hate they get.
[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Knoell']
You miss the point. Dohdough believes that white people start off being racist and no matter what they do in life, they could be a saint, they are still racist because they use the system that disadvantages black people. In his world many white civil rights leaders are racist because they used the system that black people are disadvantaged to.
And you are agreeing with it.
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[quote name='Clak']Holy shit, Knoell is telepathic? Hey Knoell, see if you can read what I'm thinking right now.
[/Quote]Here is a question. Men have oppressed women for far longer than minorities across the globe. Are all men sexist because they fall in with a system that tends to favor men?
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You're trying to prove that I agree with something which you can't prove was said? Like I said, you don't understand what we're saying. We have to spend post after post trying to explain it you. It makes me feel like you're trolling us because it isn't hard to understand. Then I feel like the dumbass trying to explain something over and over again.
Me having to say "No Knoell, I don't think white people are born racist" is like O'Donnell saying "I am not a witch.". It's ridiculousness that I even have to do so.
Me having to say "No Knoell, I don't think white people are born racist" is like O'Donnell saying "I am not a witch.". It's ridiculousness that I even have to do so.
[quote name='Clak']You're trying to prove that I agree with something which you can't prove was said? Like I said, you don't understand what we're saying. We have to spend post after post trying to explain it you. It makes me feel like you're trolling us because it isn't hard to understand. Then I feel like the dumbass trying to explain something over and over again.
Me having to say "No Knoell, I don't think white people are born racist" is like O'Donnell saying "I am not a witch.". It's ridiculousness that I even have to do so.[/QUOTE]
And I am trying to explain that that is dohdoughs belief. Time after time I have asked if that is your belief, and at first you defended his points, then you stated you don't believe all white people are racist, which was good. Then I stated it is what dohdough believes, and you joked that I was telepathic, as if dohdough wasn't posting that garbage right in front of your eyes.
Me having to say "No Knoell, I don't think white people are born racist" is like O'Donnell saying "I am not a witch.". It's ridiculousness that I even have to do so.[/QUOTE]
And I am trying to explain that that is dohdoughs belief. Time after time I have asked if that is your belief, and at first you defended his points, then you stated you don't believe all white people are racist, which was good. Then I stated it is what dohdough believes, and you joked that I was telepathic, as if dohdough wasn't posting that garbage right in front of your eyes.
I give up, seriously, I just don't care anymore. This is how they win, they just out last us until we give up.
It's like your opponent lifting off a factory when you have only ground units and can't build anything else, you just get pissed off at how ridiculous it all is and give up. That's for you Crotch.
It's like your opponent lifting off a factory when you have only ground units and can't build anything else, you just get pissed off at how ridiculous it all is and give up. That's for you Crotch.
Here we go, you must have read dohdoughs posts. Do you agree or disagree with them? I know you guys would rather feel like you made a point by exclaiming how ridiculously stupid your opponent is, but you really haven't. He still doesn't think I am right? He must be sooo wrong and dumb. Har har har.
All you have really stated is that minorities have a right to hate anyone of a certain color because of what people of that color did to them. Which you seem to be a direct opponent of in the muslim mosque thread (I am too). Same religion does not mean relation to extremism in that thread, but white means relation to racism in this thread. I wouldn't be all over you guys about this if you would at least be consistant in your views.
All you have really stated is that minorities have a right to hate anyone of a certain color because of what people of that color did to them. Which you seem to be a direct opponent of in the muslim mosque thread (I am too). Same religion does not mean relation to extremism in that thread, but white means relation to racism in this thread. I wouldn't be all over you guys about this if you would at least be consistant in your views.
I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm saying it's too much work to get you to understand what we're saying. It doesn't matter if you agree or not, that's fine, but I don't think you get it in the first place. Frankly I'm sick of trying. The fact that you keep trying to catch us in some sort of AHA! moment I think proves you aren't interested in understanding what we mean, you just want to make yourself feel good. Well if you want to mentally jack off over this shit, go do it in the corner, I'm done trying to explain something to someone who isn't interested in understanding.
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[quote name='Clak']It's like your opponent lifting off a factory when you have only ground units and can't build anything else, you just get pissed off at how ridiculous it all is and give up. That's for you Crotch.[/QUOTE]
There is only one appropriate response to that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eawRIYwSgFY
There is only one appropriate response to that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eawRIYwSgFY
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http://www.conservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/SCHEDULE-OF-EVENTS-MASTER-1-29-11-WEBSITE.pdf
Donald Rumsfeld is being awarded "Defender of the Constitution" award. No, seriously. Guess who won it last year? JOHN ASHCROFT. halol. Huckabee and DeMint are boycotting because it's becoming too "libertarian". Could have fooled me. Neocon to paleocon is still at least 4 to 1. Ratio is greater when compared to libertarians.
If I had more money I'd join the Paul rabble rousers that will crash CPAC again.
Donald Rumsfeld is being awarded "Defender of the Constitution" award. No, seriously. Guess who won it last year? JOHN ASHCROFT. halol. Huckabee and DeMint are boycotting because it's becoming too "libertarian". Could have fooled me. Neocon to paleocon is still at least 4 to 1. Ratio is greater when compared to libertarians.
If I had more money I'd join the Paul rabble rousers that will crash CPAC again.
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Something I read this morning caught my eye in the discussion on race:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/16/opinion/la-oe-belk-black-men-20110116
There's more in the article, but it's an op-ed, and anecdotal. But that sentence captured what so many of us feel about racism in the modern era. Racial profiling is real, and it seems sensible for a parent to teach their child how to behave around police when they're encountered antagonistically. But it seems more sensible for a black family to communicate that to their children than a white familiy - since the former is exponentially more likely to encounter an antagonistic police (which is not the same thing as saying their antagonistic behavior leads them to more encounters with the police).
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/16/opinion/la-oe-belk-black-men-20110116
There's more in the article, but it's an op-ed, and anecdotal. But that sentence captured what so many of us feel about racism in the modern era. Racial profiling is real, and it seems sensible for a parent to teach their child how to behave around police when they're encountered antagonistically. But it seems more sensible for a black family to communicate that to their children than a white familiy - since the former is exponentially more likely to encounter an antagonistic police (which is not the same thing as saying their antagonistic behavior leads them to more encounters with the police).
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']http://www.conservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/SCHEDULE-OF-EVENTS-MASTER-1-29-11-WEBSITE.pdf
Donald Rumsfeld is being awarded "Defender of the Constitution" award. No, seriously. Guess who won it last year? JOHN ASHCROFT. halol. Huckabee and DeMint are boycotting because it's becoming too "libertarian". Could have fooled me. Neocon to paleocon is still at least 4 to 1. Ratio is greater when compared to libertarians.
If I had more money I'd join the Paul rabble rousers that will crash CPAC again.[/QUOTE]
.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA
That video could apply to so many things.
Donald Rumsfeld is being awarded "Defender of the Constitution" award. No, seriously. Guess who won it last year? JOHN ASHCROFT. halol. Huckabee and DeMint are boycotting because it's becoming too "libertarian". Could have fooled me. Neocon to paleocon is still at least 4 to 1. Ratio is greater when compared to libertarians.
If I had more money I'd join the Paul rabble rousers that will crash CPAC again.[/QUOTE]
.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA
That video could apply to so many things.
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[quote name='mykevermin']My husband told me he was glad to have been there to model for Ryan how to behave during a police stop, something every black man needs to be prepared to handle. [/QUOTE]
Didn't Chris Rock already cover this.
Didn't Chris Rock already cover this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/25/AR2011012506715.html
Republicans, it turns out, have no public investment strategy, just as they have no health-care strategy and no agreed-upon blueprint for reducing federal spending. What they have are poll-tested talking points, economic delusions and an overwhelming partisan instinct to say "no" to anything Barack Obama proposes. In their response to the president's State of the Union message, they remind us once again that they are not serious about economic policy and not ready to govern.
Republicans, it turns out, have no public investment strategy, just as they have no health-care strategy and no agreed-upon blueprint for reducing federal spending. What they have are poll-tested talking points, economic delusions and an overwhelming partisan instinct to say "no" to anything Barack Obama proposes. In their response to the president's State of the Union message, they remind us once again that they are not serious about economic policy and not ready to govern.
bread's done