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It's pretty funny how white people both believe that A) racism doesn't exist and B) only exists against themselves.
That takes some drinkin', boyo.
The Earth isn't flat because some book told me, but why is it that when I look across the parking lot, it's flat? Huh? HUH? Come at me, egghead scientists with your fancy liberal book larnin'.
That takes some drinkin', boyo.
The Earth isn't flat because some book told me, but why is it that when I look across the parking lot, it's flat? Huh? HUH? Come at me, egghead scientists with your fancy liberal book larnin'.
[quote name='Strell']It's pretty funny how white people both believe that A) racism doesn't exist and B) only exists against themselves.
That takes some drinkin', boyo.
The Earth isn't flat because some book told me, but why is it that when I look across the parking lot, it's flat? Huh? HUH? Come at me, egghead scientists with your fancy liberal book larnin'.[/QUOTE]
It is pretty funny how people believe that when a minority is poor it must be because of their color. If this were true then there wouldn't be millions of poor white people. Disadvantaged people are disadvanted for a multitude of different reasons not just race. Therefore how is it not discouraging for a disadvantaged white person to apply for things but do not qualify for them because of their skin color.
Sure if you look at it in the grand scheme of things, white people have more advantages. Do you really think that matters to the poor white guy making $8,000 a year trying to support a family and/or go to college?
That takes some drinkin', boyo.
The Earth isn't flat because some book told me, but why is it that when I look across the parking lot, it's flat? Huh? HUH? Come at me, egghead scientists with your fancy liberal book larnin'.[/QUOTE]
It is pretty funny how people believe that when a minority is poor it must be because of their color. If this were true then there wouldn't be millions of poor white people. Disadvantaged people are disadvanted for a multitude of different reasons not just race. Therefore how is it not discouraging for a disadvantaged white person to apply for things but do not qualify for them because of their skin color.
Sure if you look at it in the grand scheme of things, white people have more advantages. Do you really think that matters to the poor white guy making $8,000 a year trying to support a family and/or go to college?
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[quote name='Knoell']Don't pretend you know me.[/QUOTE]
Would never.
Would never.
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[quote name='Knoell']Do you really think that matters to the poor white guy making $8,000 a year trying to support a family and/or go to college?[/QUOTE]
Of course it does not. It's not in their lived experience to think that. But that doesn't mean that it's okay to let the largescale mythology continue that minorities, especially poor minorities, have it better than poor whites in the US. Because that's simply not true, and demonstrably so.
Poor people are
ed in the US. It's a winner-take-all society, and the dismantling of unions over the past three decades harmed the working class in innumerable ways such that the idea of having a decent standard of living with a high school diploma and one income is long gone. Hell, it's hardly the case anymore for a college degree and one income. But the dismantling of unions isn't widely recognized because we've identified the villain, and the villain is "affirmative action" programs.
Poor people areed because they vote to let themselves get ed, because they hear things like "death tax" and worry that the assets they completely lack might be taxed and taken from them when they die, and they really wanted to pass that pie tin along to little johnny. Because they're scared of the "other," and the republicans are happy to help stoke that fear - fear of muslims, fear of women in power, fear of homosexuals getting married, fear of people who don't speak english as well as they do (
) They vote because they're afraid of a society dominated by the aborted fetuses of gay black illegal immigrant muslim people who listen to public radio and only shop for locally grown vegetarian ingredients.
When we allow people to have their mythological villains that they use to explain their situation (i.e., the old trope that, when in doubt over who gets the job, it always goes to the black person), we are complicit in allowing the mythology to continue. Our silence treats it as real to them.
Of course it does not. It's not in their lived experience to think that. But that doesn't mean that it's okay to let the largescale mythology continue that minorities, especially poor minorities, have it better than poor whites in the US. Because that's simply not true, and demonstrably so.
Poor people are
ed in the US. It's a winner-take-all society, and the dismantling of unions over the past three decades harmed the working class in innumerable ways such that the idea of having a decent standard of living with a high school diploma and one income is long gone. Hell, it's hardly the case anymore for a college degree and one income. But the dismantling of unions isn't widely recognized because we've identified the villain, and the villain is "affirmative action" programs.Poor people are
ed because they vote to let themselves get ed, because they hear things like "death tax" and worry that the assets they completely lack might be taxed and taken from them when they die, and they really wanted to pass that pie tin along to little johnny. Because they're scared of the "other," and the republicans are happy to help stoke that fear - fear of muslims, fear of women in power, fear of homosexuals getting married, fear of people who don't speak english as well as they do () They vote because they're afraid of a society dominated by the aborted fetuses of gay black illegal immigrant muslim people who listen to public radio and only shop for locally grown vegetarian ingredients.When we allow people to have their mythological villains that they use to explain their situation (i.e., the old trope that, when in doubt over who gets the job, it always goes to the black person), we are complicit in allowing the mythology to continue. Our silence treats it as real to them.
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[quote name='Msut77']Arguably they should have more financial aid and better programs for all poor people regardless of color.
But then craptards like Knoell would call it Socialism and wage jihad against it anyway.[/QUOTE]
Ain't that the damn truth. I think Big Business has brainwashed 'merica into really believing that anyone can be Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. Never mind that they were generational geniuses with extraordinary luck. Never mind that they have no friends. I can be that if I just put my mind to it.
But then craptards like Knoell would call it Socialism and wage jihad against it anyway.[/QUOTE]
Ain't that the damn truth. I think Big Business has brainwashed 'merica into really believing that anyone can be Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. Never mind that they were generational geniuses with extraordinary luck. Never mind that they have no friends. I can be that if I just put my mind to it.
[quote name='Msut77']Arguably they should have more financial aid and better programs for all poor people regardless of color.
But then craptards like Knoell would call it Socialism and wage jihad against it anyway.[/QUOTE]
New York has demonstrably good social, and financial aid programs, and imagine that, people are still poor, and getting poorer. Throwing money at the problem isn't always the fix.
I don't deny the need for social programs, I deny the need for the excessive spending that has put my state, and many many other states in such debt. My inner city should not be paying for free internet (and cable
) to inspire people living there to look for jobs. There are much better ways to help people than the way we are doing things right now.
But then craptards like Knoell would call it Socialism and wage jihad against it anyway.[/QUOTE]
New York has demonstrably good social, and financial aid programs, and imagine that, people are still poor, and getting poorer. Throwing money at the problem isn't always the fix.
I don't deny the need for social programs, I deny the need for the excessive spending that has put my state, and many many other states in such debt. My inner city should not be paying for free internet (and cable
) to inspire people living there to look for jobs. There are much better ways to help people than the way we are doing things right now.[quote name='mykevermin']
When we allow people to have their mythological villains that they use to explain their situation (i.e., the old trope that, when in doubt over who gets the job, it always goes to the black person), we are complicit in allowing the mythology to continue. Our silence treats it as real to them.[/QUOTE]
Again the poor white guy isn't getting the job either. There is a mythology out there that because you are white you will get the job. That because minorities have less of a chance, that it will increase a white persons chances terrificly. There are a lot of white poor people who beg to differ.
When we allow people to have their mythological villains that they use to explain their situation (i.e., the old trope that, when in doubt over who gets the job, it always goes to the black person), we are complicit in allowing the mythology to continue. Our silence treats it as real to them.[/QUOTE]
Again the poor white guy isn't getting the job either. There is a mythology out there that because you are white you will get the job. That because minorities have less of a chance, that it will increase a white persons chances terrificly. There are a lot of white poor people who beg to differ.
[quote name='depascal22']Ain't that the damn truth. I think Big Business has brainwashed 'merica into really believing that anyone can be Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. Never mind that they were generational geniuses with extraordinary luck. Never mind that they have no friends. I can be that if I just put my mind to it.[/QUOTE]
And that genius is debatable anyway, since both of those men lets say....borrowed....some ideas from others.
Either way, Msut is right. We could make everything completely level, give the same amount of aid to everyone, and rather than be satisfied, the Knoells of the country would just cry about the cost of it.
See, the truth isn't that they want equal help for all, they don't want any for anyone. Because at the end of the day, letting everyone sink is just as equal as keeping them all afloat, and it's cheaper.
And that genius is debatable anyway, since both of those men lets say....borrowed....some ideas from others.
Either way, Msut is right. We could make everything completely level, give the same amount of aid to everyone, and rather than be satisfied, the Knoells of the country would just cry about the cost of it.
See, the truth isn't that they want equal help for all, they don't want any for anyone. Because at the end of the day, letting everyone sink is just as equal as keeping them all afloat, and it's cheaper.
[quote name='UncleBob']"I can't be as successful as other people, therefore the government should take their money from them and give it to me. It's only fair. Anything else is racism."[/QUOTE]
Come on Bob, you have to know that the market won't balance this out. Democracy is not about every man for himself. There are going to be extremes on each end of the spectrum, poor and rich. The government needs to have some type of hand in balancing the equation. The debate shouldn't lay with that, it should be about how much of a role should the government play, and how do we go about making sure the public does not ultimately depend on the government.
Come on Bob, you have to know that the market won't balance this out. Democracy is not about every man for himself. There are going to be extremes on each end of the spectrum, poor and rich. The government needs to have some type of hand in balancing the equation. The debate shouldn't lay with that, it should be about how much of a role should the government play, and how do we go about making sure the public does not ultimately depend on the government.
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[quote name='Knoell']Come on Bob, you have to know that the market won't balance this out. Democracy is not about every man for himself. There are going to be extremes on each end of the spectrum, poor and rich. The government needs to have some type of hand in balancing the equation. The debate shouldn't lay with that, it should be about how much of a role should the government play, and how do we go about making sure the public does not ultimately depend on the government.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you guys just get it over with and make out.
Why don't you guys just get it over with and make out.
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[quote name='Knoell']Again the poor white guy isn't getting the job either. There is a mythology out there that because you are white you will get the job. That because minorities have less of a chance, that it will increase a white persons chances terrificly. There are a lot of white poor people who beg to differ.[/QUOTE]
That's what I meant by the lived experience. People see micro with their own eyes, not macro. Not even me. It comes out in research. So, yes, absolutely the poor white guy sees one thing, which is him (or her!) not being employed. That's more important than overall patterns of employment; we are hedonists, after all.
My point is that the patterns bear out that whites are the ones benefitting from the soft racism that doesn't discriminate against them. The mythology of whites is that they're losing out on job opportunities because programs force employers to hire minorities or offer tax packages such that employing whites seems less appealing than a minority. Neither of which is true in the fact of their existence or execution (i.e., those policies don't exist, and they aren't practiced that way even if they did).
Individuals aren't getting jobs for a litany of reasons. However, it is irrefutably true that the whites who are denied job opportunities are not experiencing denials because minorities are being hired instead. ergo, their reverse racism claims are mythological.
That's what I meant by the lived experience. People see micro with their own eyes, not macro. Not even me. It comes out in research. So, yes, absolutely the poor white guy sees one thing, which is him (or her!) not being employed. That's more important than overall patterns of employment; we are hedonists, after all.
My point is that the patterns bear out that whites are the ones benefitting from the soft racism that doesn't discriminate against them. The mythology of whites is that they're losing out on job opportunities because programs force employers to hire minorities or offer tax packages such that employing whites seems less appealing than a minority. Neither of which is true in the fact of their existence or execution (i.e., those policies don't exist, and they aren't practiced that way even if they did).
Individuals aren't getting jobs for a litany of reasons. However, it is irrefutably true that the whites who are denied job opportunities are not experiencing denials because minorities are being hired instead. ergo, their reverse racism claims are mythological.
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No, it doesn't seem that way.
See, this is the entire reason why conservatives worship Reagan. They know what they've seen/been told and don't bother looking at any records or research. This could be said about practically any subject. they only know what Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity/ O'Reilly has told them, research and studies be damned.
The defining characteristic of Ronnie and the Reaganauts is the shitty blackhearted soullessness hiding behind a thing veneer of affable bullshit.
There is always this pretense of them supporting a decent, just society but it is just dishonest posturing enough to fool a few rubes to support them while they are busy turning this country over to the richest 1% percent.
They cannot come out and say what they really think because they would be proverbially (literally?) tarred & feathered.
Just look at any of the healthcare reform threads, hell in this thread you have imbeciles who say things literally 90% of the country would agree (plutocracy is bad) but it is somehow supposed to be mocking liberals because they put a little stank on it or some crap like that.
There is always this pretense of them supporting a decent, just society but it is just dishonest posturing enough to fool a few rubes to support them while they are busy turning this country over to the richest 1% percent.
They cannot come out and say what they really think because they would be proverbially (literally?) tarred & feathered.
Just look at any of the healthcare reform threads, hell in this thread you have imbeciles who say things literally 90% of the country would agree (plutocracy is bad) but it is somehow supposed to be mocking liberals because they put a little stank on it or some crap like that.
[quote name='mykevermin']That's what I meant by the lived experience. People see micro with their own eyes, not macro. Not even me. It comes out in research. So, yes, absolutely the poor white guy sees one thing, which is him (or her!) not being employed. That's more important than overall patterns of employment; we are hedonists, after all.
My point is that the patterns bear out that whites are the ones benefitting from the soft racism that doesn't discriminate against them. The mythology of whites is that they're losing out on job opportunities because programs force employers to hire minorities or offer tax packages such that employing whites seems less appealing than a minority. Neither of which is true in the fact of their existence or execution (i.e., those policies don't exist, and they aren't practiced that way even if they did).
Individuals aren't getting jobs for a litany of reasons. However, it is irrefutably true that the whites who are denied job opportunities are not experiencing denials because minorities are being hired instead. ergo, their reverse racism claims are mythological.[/QUOTE]
Are whites really benefitting? blacks may have disadvantages, but to say poor white guy A will benefit because poor black guy B, and C won't be considered is completely ignoring white guy D-Z who are also competing for the job. It is also ignoring any other factors that contribute towards why someone didn't get the job.
This is the problem with arguing discrimination, without a specific case to focus on, people tend to focus in on race being the only factor that was considered for the job.
My point is that the patterns bear out that whites are the ones benefitting from the soft racism that doesn't discriminate against them. The mythology of whites is that they're losing out on job opportunities because programs force employers to hire minorities or offer tax packages such that employing whites seems less appealing than a minority. Neither of which is true in the fact of their existence or execution (i.e., those policies don't exist, and they aren't practiced that way even if they did).
Individuals aren't getting jobs for a litany of reasons. However, it is irrefutably true that the whites who are denied job opportunities are not experiencing denials because minorities are being hired instead. ergo, their reverse racism claims are mythological.[/QUOTE]
Are whites really benefitting? blacks may have disadvantages, but to say poor white guy A will benefit because poor black guy B, and C won't be considered is completely ignoring white guy D-Z who are also competing for the job. It is also ignoring any other factors that contribute towards why someone didn't get the job.
This is the problem with arguing discrimination, without a specific case to focus on, people tend to focus in on race being the only factor that was considered for the job.
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[quote name='Knoell']Are whites really benefitting?[/quote]
let's see what this guy has to say:
let's stop right here for a moment. your argument is that whites aren't benefitting in spite of anti-black racial discrimination because other white people are competing for the same jobs? you're saying that the white applicant has to compete for the job, but since they're only competing against other whites, there's no net benefit to being white in the workplace. that's one of the more preposterous things i've read on the vs forums.
*Whites* benefit from discrimination. Of course. You said so yourself in your second sentence, but you're magnificently off the mark in understanding what discrimination is after that.
Go read the Pager article I linked a few days ago in this thread. Just read the abstract if you don't have time. You're filling in the blanks for explaining away racial discrimination for non-racial reasons without having *looked* at the research. This is why we can't have nice things: you're posing potential problems and confounding factors that are already addressed in research - and you're unwilling to read that research. Your questions and critiques have been answered already elsewhere.
ceteris paribus. research makes sure things are controlled for.
here's what's odd about you: if we argue on the macro level, you end up twisting meaning into a level of absurdity bordering on abstraction. you're arguing that whites don't benefit from institutional racism because, even though they get a leg up over blacks, they still have to compete against whites.
But if we were to focus on cases, you'd deny (as you have in these forums) that racism underlies those explanations. in this day and age, people aren't dumb. they don't call you racist names to your face, they just don't call you.
just like that one time you tried to set up a date with what's her name. She didn't have a family emergency, she just didn't want to go on a date with you. people who behave in a racist way have an army of loyal people who will bend over backwards to say it wasn't racist (see how few people are pointing to Huckabee's comments over the past 7-10 days about Kenya and mandrassas).
let's see what this guy has to say:
let's stop right here for a moment. your argument is that whites aren't benefitting in spite of anti-black racial discrimination because other white people are competing for the same jobs? you're saying that the white applicant has to compete for the job, but since they're only competing against other whites, there's no net benefit to being white in the workplace. that's one of the more preposterous things i've read on the vs forums.
*Whites* benefit from discrimination. Of course. You said so yourself in your second sentence, but you're magnificently off the mark in understanding what discrimination is after that.
Go read the Pager article I linked a few days ago in this thread. Just read the abstract if you don't have time. You're filling in the blanks for explaining away racial discrimination for non-racial reasons without having *looked* at the research. This is why we can't have nice things: you're posing potential problems and confounding factors that are already addressed in research - and you're unwilling to read that research. Your questions and critiques have been answered already elsewhere.
ceteris paribus. research makes sure things are controlled for.
here's what's odd about you: if we argue on the macro level, you end up twisting meaning into a level of absurdity bordering on abstraction. you're arguing that whites don't benefit from institutional racism because, even though they get a leg up over blacks, they still have to compete against whites.
But if we were to focus on cases, you'd deny (as you have in these forums) that racism underlies those explanations. in this day and age, people aren't dumb. they don't call you racist names to your face, they just don't call you.
just like that one time you tried to set up a date with what's her name. She didn't have a family emergency, she just didn't want to go on a date with you. people who behave in a racist way have an army of loyal people who will bend over backwards to say it wasn't racist (see how few people are pointing to Huckabee's comments over the past 7-10 days about Kenya and mandrassas).
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Can't remember who, but someone in this thread said something about Obama being raised in Indonesia by his father. He wasn't raised by his birth father; his step-father was Indonesian, and brought Obama and his mother to live there (until Obama moved back to Hawaii with his grandparents, if memory serves me correctly).
[quote name='Alan Simpson']“This is a fakery,” Simpson said on Fox News. “If they care at all about their children or grandchildren, and sometimes I doubt that—I think, you know, grandchildren now don’t write a thank-you for the Christmas presents, they’re walking on their pants with the cap on backwards listening to the enema man and Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dogg, and they don’t like them!”[/QUOTE]
I'm not too up to date on the newest rap artists but I haven't heard of Enema Man and Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dogg. Projectingmuch?
I'm not too up to date on the newest rap artists but I haven't heard of Enema Man and Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dogg. Projectingmuch?
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Only Knoell could argue that White Guy A getting a job is proof of discrimination against all the other white guys that applied for the position.
[quote name='Clak']Until today I didn't realize that James O'Keefe was only 26 years old. This guy is the future of the republican party. So just remember this shit in 20-30 years when he's running for a high office.[/QUOTE]
If this guy has a chance at winning high office, I'm gonna burn this motherer down.
If this guy has a chance at winning high office, I'm gonna burn this mother
er down.
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I'm sure he's been asked and I dont know what he said, but I dont know if he really will run for office. Seems these days that if you're not already insanely Romney class rich, you could just work for Fox like Palin/Newt/Huckabee/Santorum/etc.
I didn't want to make a new thread and I can't find the one we had from months back on the subject, so I'll just throw this down here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110314/lf_nm_life/us_fidelity_survey
So just how much does it take to feel rich?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110314/lf_nm_life/us_fidelity_survey
So just how much does it take to feel rich?
[quote name='Clak']I didn't want to make a new thread and I can't find the one we had from months back on the subject, so I'll just throw this down here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110314/lf_nm_life/us_fidelity_survey
So just how much does it take to feel rich?[/QUOTE]
“7 million doesn't make you rich, but if you are a teacher making 50k, then you're rich as f--k.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/hugoal/us-millionaires-say-7-mil_n_835327_80672838.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110314/lf_nm_life/us_fidelity_survey
So just how much does it take to feel rich?[/QUOTE]
“7 million doesn't make you rich, but if you are a teacher making 50k, then you're rich as f--k.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/hugoal/us-millionaires-say-7-mil_n_835327_80672838.html
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In potentially positive news, Napolitano matched Beck's ratings during Beck's vacation week. Fox could fire Beck, bring in Napolitano at a reduced salary, and make more money while probably gaining viewers.
Plus there would be an outspoken advocate against the war on drugs, PATRIOT Act, Gitmo, War On Terror, the Fed on FOX NEWS. Main channel.
Talk about potentially sweet.
Plus there would be an outspoken advocate against the war on drugs, PATRIOT Act, Gitmo, War On Terror, the Fed on FOX NEWS. Main channel.
Talk about potentially sweet.
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[quote name='X BRO 420']I'm a Geraldo and Stosle fan. Love me a man with a mustache reading me the news like ancorman.[/QUOTE]
Let me get a ridiculously large graph from Kinko's to show you why your love for Stosle is a crime against nature.
Let me get a ridiculously large graph from Kinko's to show you why your love for Stosle is a crime against nature.
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Glenn Beck is saying that the Japanese earthquake may be a message from God.
If there were a God, surely he'd strike that retard down by now.
If there were a God, surely he'd strike that retard down by now.
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Glenn Beck is saying that the Japanese earthquake may be a message from God.
If there were a God, surely he'd strike that retard down by now.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to open a pool for that when the tragedy struck, but thought it was in bad taste.
It is not bad that it has happened. It's bad that dumbasses are going to agree, because the one true white straight Christian god is the one doling out punishment.
Did the Taliban or anyone similar take credit for Hurricane Katrina? I imagine the public outcry on our part would still be going on today.
Which means: Even those crazy ass motherers aren't as crazy as the right in America.
Think about that.
If there were a God, surely he'd strike that retard down by now.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to open a pool for that when the tragedy struck, but thought it was in bad taste.
It is not bad that it has happened. It's bad that dumbasses are going to agree, because the one true white straight Christian god is the one doling out punishment.
Did the Taliban or anyone similar take credit for Hurricane Katrina? I imagine the public outcry on our part would still be going on today.
Which means: Even those crazy ass mother
ers aren't as crazy as the right in America.Think about that.
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Remember. God is Love only if you're a Republican.
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[quote name='Strell']I wanted to open a pool for that when the tragedy struck, but thought it was in bad taste.
It is not bad that it has happened. It's bad that dumbasses are going to agree, because the one true white straight Christian god is the one doling out punishment.
Did the Taliban or anyone similar take credit for Hurricane Katrina? I imagine the public outcry on our part would still be going on today.
Which means: Even those crazy ass motherers aren't as crazy as the right in America.
Think about that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the nutters in the terrorist realm (allegedly - I don't speak Arabic, so I couldn't tell you if the translation had been fluffed) did say Allah had a hand in Katrina, but that's to be expected.
What is more saddening than Beck's moronic comments is the flood of tweets and facebook updates linking the quake and subsequent disasters to payback for Pearl Harbor. As if Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't enough or something.
It is not bad that it has happened. It's bad that dumbasses are going to agree, because the one true white straight Christian god is the one doling out punishment.
Did the Taliban or anyone similar take credit for Hurricane Katrina? I imagine the public outcry on our part would still be going on today.
Which means: Even those crazy ass mother
ers aren't as crazy as the right in America.Think about that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the nutters in the terrorist realm (allegedly - I don't speak Arabic, so I couldn't tell you if the translation had been fluffed) did say Allah had a hand in Katrina, but that's to be expected.
What is more saddening than Beck's moronic comments is the flood of tweets and facebook updates linking the quake and subsequent disasters to payback for Pearl Harbor. As if Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't enough or something.
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