The "Stay Classy, Republicans" Super Nintendo Chalmers Thread

Let's break this down real simple like.

Let's say there was a guy who has an income of $2.3 Trillion Dollars. He wants more. Would you say this guy has a massive income and doesn't need more money?
 
both of those are irrelevant and the guy with 2.3 trillion is just plain stupid

You're the one stuck on it, I've shown how it isn't massive for the individual based on reality. You've got this notion that a 100% tax rate would therefore make it massive but that's irrelevant as it is NOT REAL.

Sure, a 4 ton boulder is massive but insignificant compared to Everest. But that's not the discussion as it doesn't mean anything within the context. But go ahead and pat your back feeling like you got a victory on that one. Meanwhile, 3.6% of the boulder isn't massive...
 
bob is working from the assumption that those calling it massive are right, and now is trying to prove how they're right. He isn't going back and examining if they're even right to begin with.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Let's break this down real simple like.[/QUOTE]

Bob says "fuck your mathematics based on actual tax rates and tax obligations, as well as the incomes related to those rates and obligations. let's bring this down to knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing levels so that I can participate in the conversation and compete on an even playing field."

I don't know why y'all bother, frankly. I enjoyed the hell out of y'all discussing the $1.7 million income needed to shoulder Bob's hypothetical tax burden. But he just flippantly disregarded every bit of your thorough, factual back-and-forth (nasum and to a lesser extent dohdough) and returned to "herp derp derp" levels of discourse. Call him on that shit, don't engage him on his herp derp level of discouse.

Cripes, people.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Bob says "fuck your mathematics based on actual tax rates and tax obligations, as well as the incomes related to those rates and obligations. let's bring this down to knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing levels so that I can participate in the conversation and compete on an even playing field."

I don't know why y'all bother, frankly. I enjoyed the hell out of y'all discussing the $1.7 million income needed to shoulder Bob's hypothetical tax burden. But he just flippantly disregarded every bit of your thorough, factual back-and-forth (nasum and to a lesser extent dohdough) and returned to "herp derp derp" levels of discourse. Call him on that shit, don't engage him on his herp derp level of discouse.

Cripes, people.[/QUOTE]

That's true.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Wow. That's low, even for vs.[/QUOTE]
Point is that no one here would want to sleep with your wife, even if it was Kate Upton, because you stuck your pen0r in her already and a lot of people here find you and/or your politics loathsome...cooties by association or however you want to describe it. Or would you prefer that other people should just want to sleep with your wife?

edit: You know, there was a time in which I would've decried those types of statements, but now, because of the way you conduct yourself, I'd rather use the effort for the opposite.

[quote name='mykevermin']Bob says "fuck your mathematics based on actual tax rates and tax obligations, as well as the incomes related to those rates and obligations. let's bring this down to knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing levels so that I can participate in the conversation and compete on an even playing field."

I don't know why y'all bother, frankly. I enjoyed the hell out of y'all discussing the $1.7 million income needed to shoulder Bob's hypothetical tax burden. But he just flippantly disregarded every bit of your thorough, factual back-and-forth (nasum and to a lesser extent dohdough) and returned to "herp derp derp" levels of discourse. Call him on that shit, don't engage him on his herp derp level of discouse.

Cripes, people.[/QUOTE]
It's nice to be recognized.:lol:
 
UB is just pulling a Palin.

UB setting his wife up as a 'Demi Moore in her prime' object of desire is about as real as Palin's daughter acting as the poster child for abstinence.

UB you can't verbally pimp out your wife and then act all butthurt because I got jokes.

And yeah I'm having fun in this thread, life is too short to be serious all the time :)
 
Somewhere there is a joke concerning bob's wife, wal mart, and everyday low prices. I'm much too mature to make such a joke, however. ;)
 
Wow. How ironic that in a "Stay classy" thread, so many of you are showing your absolute lack of class.

[quote name='nasum']the guy with 2.3 trillion is just plain stupid[/QUOTE]

Glad you say that.

You seem to have this idea that there's no difference when comparing the income of an individual to that of the tax revenue for the Federal government. What's "Massive" for one is "Massive" for the other, etc., etc.

Therefore, by your own faulty logic, the Federal government having an income of $2.3 Trillion and wanting more is "just plain stupid".
 
He's saying that your examples are dumb; not the guy in your example. If you wanted to make the point of comparing government taxation to the income of an individual, then you should've just said so instead of making us guess what your point was. hth

In case you haven't noticed, nasum is actually engaging you in a respectful and non-bullshit manner. Well relatively anyways. The very least you could do is not respond with your usual bullshit obfuscation, shifting of goalposts, and gotcha quote snippets that totally don't mean what you try to twist it into meaning.

If you don't want people to talk about you wife, don't talk about your wife. hth2
 
I've never shifted the goal posts.

nasum said that a tax increase can't be massive for individuals while being small for the Federal government. My point all along is that this simply isn't true. Period. A tax increase (and, again, as I've said multiple, multiple times before - not necessarily any proposed increases - as that's a different argument altogether) can be massive for the individual while not raising much money for the Federal government.

Nasum's initial post on this subject completely ignores the concept of individual scale vs. group scale.

Also, there's a huge difference between me referencing a movie and individuals making personal attacks on someone they've never met and know virtually nothing about. Your complete lack of class would explain why you don't understand this difference.

Finally, if you're worried about my "bullshit", I've yet to hear you say a thing about random rich folks walking up to me on the street and offering me $50k as was purposed earlier in the thread.

I guess it's okay for folks who agree with you on the political spectrum to purpose bullshit though.
 
[quote name='dohdough']In case you haven't noticed, nasum is actually engaging you in a respectful and non-bullshit manner. Well relatively anyways. The very least you could do is not respond with your usual bullshit obfuscation, shifting of goalposts, and gotcha quote snippets that totally don't mean what you try to twist it into meaning.[/QUOTE]

The rub is that with the CAG Cons when the person is being respectful they either get ignored or get the same lack of an actual response.

When you "attack" them (note: in this context it means accurately describing their positions/behavior) they post about that instead but still avoid substance.

I always mention this but look at the healthcare threads, you had them literally posting that we should let sick people die because of lack of money but then acting all wounded because this was considered not-particularly-classy.
 
apparently we are building a new high speed train from fresno to bakersfield, here in california, costs 8B, with 4B coming from the federal government.

While I don't have a problem with high speed trains per se, our state is massively in debt to the tune of 16Billion(it used to be over 30B) and are in the process of making cutbacks in other areas, including education, even though we voted to make sure education was something that would never get cut, an emergency was declared etc.

Point is, no one is going to be riding a train from Merced to Bakersfield, those are 2 farming communities. Eventually, the plan is to make the train line from sac to frisco to LA, which would cost over 100B(that is with a smile and a wink, could cost far more) and may never get approval, in which case we would be stuck with a supertrain from merced to bakersfield.

That and flying is still going to be cheaper, faster and more options.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEZjzsnPhnw&feature=player_detailpage
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I've never shifted the goal posts.[/QUOTE]
If you've never shifted goal posts, then I've never been sardonic. We both know that neither are true.

nasum said that a tax increase can't be massive for individuals while being small for the Federal government. My point all along is that this simply isn't true. Period. A tax increase (and, again, as I've said multiple, multiple times before - not necessarily any proposed increases - as that's a different argument altogether) can be massive for the individual while not raising much money for the Federal government.

Nasum's initial post on this subject completely ignores the concept of individual scale vs. group scale.
His initial post is actually mocking the exact position that you've just described for us.

Also, there's a huge difference between me referencing a movie and individuals making personal attacks on someone they've never met and know virtually nothing about. Your complete lack of class would explain why you don't understand this difference.
I already explained the punchline. I'm not going to do it again.

You should've just ignored it instead of letting your faux indignation stand in for an actual argument.

Finally, if you're worried about my "bullshit", I've yet to hear you say a thing about random rich folks walking up to me on the street and offering me $50k as was purposed earlier in the thread.
nasum already explained why you trotting out the arbitrary amount of $50k is dumb and was purposely filling in the blanks that you purposely left with nonsense because you simply refuse to be anything more than vague.

If you're going to use the example of nasum's tax liability being raised to $50k, you're going to have to explain the actual mechanism for it. Requesting yes or no answers to prove your point about taxing an individual an extra $50k not solving any larger problems is a non sequitur.

I guess it's okay for folks who agree with you on the political spectrum to purpose bullshit though.
You mean me and nasum? LOLZ...yeah...we've never called each other out on anything ever!
 
[quote name='Msut77']I always mention this but look at the healthcare threads, you had them literally posting that we should let sick people die because of lack of money but then acting all wounded because this was considered not-particularly-classy.[/QUOTE]

So, so true. This statement could explain everything wrong with conservativism.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I've never shifted the goal posts.[/QUOTE]
Now are you gonna make us show where you have shifted the goal posts and then refuse to talk to us until we show you?

In all fairness though guys, Bob doesn't shift the goal posts, he switches sports...
 
Again, I'm not the one who "shifted goal posts" (geesh, talk about your "talking points") in this argument. Nasum was the one who stated that raising taxes on individuals can't be massive on the individuals while being miniscule on the scale of the Federal budget.

When I questioned this as bullcrap, the argument shifted to "well, this or this specific purposed tax cut isn't massive" (with no real discussion of how much this specific non-massive tax cut would effect the Federal budget, of course).

[quote name='DD']You mean me and nasum? LOLZ...yeah...we've never called each other out on anything ever! [/quote]

Oh, hey, look... DD commenting in a thread when he has no idea what he's talking about. Nice.
 
[quote name='dracula']
While I don't have a problem with high speed trains per se, our state is massively in debt to the tune of 16Billion(it used to be over 30B)
[/QUOTE]Not only that, but the project itself is terrible. The California High Speed Rail Authority rebuffed SNCF's advice on how to build the project. Who is SNCF? Only one of the two leading high speed rail organizations in the world (the other being Japan Railways). Here's a good article on what I think should be a scandal in the world of trains.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rail-advice-20120709,0,4539140.story
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Again, I'm not the one who "shifted goal posts" (geesh, talk about your "talking points") in this argument. Nasum was the one who stated that raising taxes on individuals can't be massive on the individuals while being miniscule on the scale of the Federal budget.

When I questioned this as bullcrap, the argument shifted to "well, this or this specific purposed tax cut isn't massive" (with no real discussion of how much this specific non-massive tax cut would effect the Federal budget, of course).[/QUOTE]
Is this before or after throwing in a hypothetical $50k tax increase on one person?

Oh, hey, look... DD commenting in a thread when he has no idea what he's talking about. Nice.
Yeah, it's hard to keep up when you shift from arguing that the tax code encourages people like Romney to hide his money without explaining why, to your rant about how voting for Obama is voting to kill people without really addressing my privatization point, making a bad Indecent Proposal analogy and getting butthurt because it got flipped on you, to focusing on how much class I lack because I had to explain the punchline of a joke only to have you fake indignation, all while occasionally awkwardly segueing back to nasum being dumb because he was tearing your argument to shreds.

You quoted me, consistently made comments about nasum proposing bullshit, and then you say that I'm the one that can't follow a conversation? Especially after you did all of the above? Are you on coke or something?
 
[quote name='dohdough']Is this before or after throwing in a hypothetical $50k tax increase on one person?[/quote]

A hypothetical (odd that you chose the exact word that I did initially) $50k tax on a "regular joe" is a clear example of how a tax can be massive on an individual and still not bring much towards the Federal budget.

Yeah, it's hard to keep up when you shift from arguing that the tax code encourages people like Romney to hide his money without explaining why,

This will be fun.

Can you show me where I said that the tax code encourages Romney and his ilk into stashing his money overseas?

to your rant about how voting for Obama is voting to kill people without really addressing my privatization point,

I addressed it - you're just too dense to get it.

You quoted me, consistently made comments about nasum proposing bullshit, and then you say that I'm the one that can't follow a conversation? Especially after you did all of the above? Are you on coke or something?

Where did I say anything about nasum purposing bullshit?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']A hypothetical (odd that you chose the exact word that I did initially) $50k tax on a "regular joe" is a clear example of how a tax can be massive on an individual and still not bring much towards the Federal budget.[/quote]
But you didn't say "regular joe." You didn't really say anyone. Seriously, this was explained to you in 3 different ways by 3 different people and you still don't fucking get it.

This will be fun.

Can you show me where I said that the tax code encourages Romney and his ilk into stashing his money overseas?
Well then explain to us know-nothings why the fuck Romney and his ilk would put their money in off-shore accounts. To contribute to those local economies?

I addressed it - you're just too dense to get it.
ORLY? So you explained who the money was going to and your comment about how "'privatized war' wouldn't mean crap?" Get the fuck outta here...show me.

Where did I say anything about nasum purposing bullshit?
Look 3 posts up, you pedantic prick. And it's PROPOSING bullshit; not purposing.
 
[quote name='dohdough']But you didn't say "regular joe." You didn't really say anyone. Seriously, this was explained to you in 3 different ways by 3 different people and you still don't fucking get it. [/quote]

Assuming nasum is a "regular joe" - I asked specifically about his tax liability going up $50k. So, yes, I said a specific person.

Well then explain to us know-nothings why the fuck Romney and his ilk would put their money in off-shore accounts. To contribute to those local economies?

Would it surprise you to know that there's multiple reasons why someone would have money in a foreign account?

ORLY? So you explained who the money was going to and your comment about how "'privatized war' wouldn't mean crap?" Get the fuck outta here...show me.
As I said before (and I can get out the hand puppets if it'll make you feel better) - without "them" (i.e.: our government) sending truckloads of money to "them" (i.e.: companies who have made their mark and fortune off of weapons and war), they'd be nothing. Who are they going to sell their tanks and bombers to - the governor of Texas?

Look 3 posts up, you pedantic prick. And it's PROPOSING bullshit; not purposing.
lol. DD making corrections now.

Let's see, camoor makes up some random, bull**** post about a rich guy walking up to me on the street and giving me $50K. I point out that no one bothers to call him out for his bull**** proposals. You respond ranting about nausm... and then wonder why I laugh at your inability to follow the thread?

Good job, captain. Good job.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Assuming nasum is a "regular joe" - I asked specifically about his tax liability going up $50k. So, yes, I said a specific person.



Would it surprise you to know that there's multiple reasons why someone would have money in a foreign account?


As I said before (and I can get out the hand puppets if it'll make you feel better) - without "them" (i.e.: our government) sending truckloads of money to "them" (i.e.: companies who have made their mark and fortune off of weapons and war), they'd be nothing. Who are they going to sell their tanks and bombers to - the governor of Texas?


lol. DD making corrections now.

Let's see, camoor makes up some random, bull**** post about a rich guy walking up to me on the street and giving me $50K. I point out that no one bothers to call him out for his bull**** proposals. You respond ranting about nausm... and then wonder why I laugh at your inability to follow the thread?

Good job, captain. Good job.[/QUOTE]

Again, you say that if regular people were taxed 50k it'd be massive. No shit. It's not going to tax THEM that amount, it was pointed out it'd tax people for whom it would be a 'drop in the bucket'. As per you, this method would just be incredibly inaffective in the federal government raising revenue. I'll go by your unsupported, completely subjective outta-the-ass statement, but again, it's a drop in the bucket to both the $1.7 milion taxpayer AND the government. You try to twist this by proposing that if it were to happen to an average person, the outcomes could be different, but that's complete bullshit and a rule you just changed, to fit your ongoing talking point.

And it hasn't been picked up on, but I believe for a second there you were getting into personal beliefs and morality when you asked if we felt the trillionaire isn't entitled/shouldn't be able to make more money. My very cut and dry answer, sure. But you better believe I think he should get taxed atleast half of it. If I was taxed half of a trillion dollars, I wouldn't give a fuck becase I'd still be living it up a half trilloinaire. :lol: Yes, I believe the principle of endless wealth is shit.
 
In a formal debate, one with a decent moderator, bob wouldn't stand a chance. His "arguments" would be pointed out as ridiculous and he'd be ignored. I suggest we all do the same.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Let's see, camoor makes up some random, bull**** post about a rich guy walking up to me on the street and giving me $50K. I point out that no one bothers to call him out for his bull**** proposals.[/QUOTE]

Where it really went off the rails was when you started talking about strangers paying you to have sex with your wife and whether that could be part of the deal.

I'm still trying to piece that one together. What does pimping out your wife have to do with my question?
 
Trying to determine the source of the money. If some random guy comes up to me on the street and offers me $50k, I'm going to ask what the deal is. Wouldn't you?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Trying to determine the source of the money. If some random guy comes up to me on the street and offers me $50k, I'm going to ask what the deal is. Wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]

So a random dude walks up to you on the street and offers you money, and the first thing out of your mouth is "would you like to sleep with my wife?"
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Trying to determine the source of the money. If some random guy comes up to me on the street and offers me $50k, I'm going to ask what the deal is. Wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]

Personally, my first reply is gonna be "no" but if you wanna sell your wife for a measly $50,000 after determining the "source" of the money then by all means, sell away...
 
Oddly enough, my wife is a grown adult capable of making her own decisions. She's not my "slave" to sell. I don't know how you treat the women in your life, though RvB.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Oddly enough, my wife is a grown adult capable of making her own decisions. She's not my "slave" to sell. I don't know how you treat the women in your life, though RvB.[/QUOTE]

So if your wife wants to be a prostitute she has your preauthorized blessing...
 
If the subject came up, it'd be a personal discussion. In the end, she gets to do what she wants and I get to do what I want. She doesn't need my "blessing" to do ****. Again, I married a grown, adult woman who is capable of making her own choices in life without the need of a man to force her into making decisions. I'm not here to control her - she's not my slave.

As I said before, I don't know how you treat the women in your life.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If the subject came up, it'd be a personal discussion. In the end, she gets to do what she wants and I get to do what I want. She doesn't need my "blessing" to do ****. Again, I married a grown, adult woman who is capable of making her own choices in life without the need of a man to force her into making decisions. I'm not here to control her - she's not my slave.[/QUOTE]

The nice way to say it is you have an "open marriage".
 
LOLZ...I was going to reply to the last post directed at me, but it might derail the current derail about bob being ok if his wife decided to become a prostitute.

Seriously though bob, do you really think that what you're saying is a good idea and that you should continue to prolong this discussion? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Btw, using asterisks to censor yourself from typing swears is lame as shit. Either type out the whole word or just find another one. At least be a little fucking creative and elevate your game a little. Here are some suggestions: malarky, nonsense, unpossible.

And yes, I'm going to correct you every time you purpose purpose when you should really be purposing propose because you constantly mix them up.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Seriously though bob, do you really think that what you're saying is a good idea and that you should continue to prolong this discussion?[/quote]

Would you prefer that I force my wife to submit to my will? Perhaps you prefer the olden days where men beat their women to keep them in line?

Btw, using asterisks to censor yourself from typing swears is lame as shit. Either type out the whole word or just find another one. At least be a little fucking creative and elevate your game a little. Here are some suggestions: malarky, nonsense, unpossible.

This just makes me want to do it more.
**** ***, **** *** ******.

That was fun.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Would you prefer that I force my wife to submit to my will? Perhaps you prefer the olden days where men beat their women to keep them in line?[/QUOTE]

You said "she gets to do what she wants and I get to do what I want".

Most guys I know would never put up with their wife sleeping around, instead of saying "she gets to do what she wants" they would leave the relationship.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Would you prefer that I force my wife to submit to my will? Perhaps you prefer the olden days where men beat their women to keep them in line?[/QUOTE]
Another strawman huh?

This just makes me want to do it more.
**** ***, **** *** ******.

That was fun.
Not as much fun as someone else hypothetically having their way with your wife for money might possibly be. But hey, you wouldn't want to look like someone that would force their wife to submit to your will or beat them like the old days, right? There's a fine line between whore and spousal abuse, so better for her to be a whore than you being a wife-beating asshole. Problem solved!

It's not like you're even trying to avoid this subject, but actively encouraging it as if you need it to feed your persecution complex or something. I mean how the fuck do you not get how this is completely disrespectful of you towards your wife? She might not be a whore in real life, but you're certainly whoring her around CAG to score some ideological points. You think that's any better than your strawman?

I can't believe that I'm even defending you wife here. WTF
 
How the **** do you get that I'm "whoring" my wife from the fact that I allow her to make her own decisions?

Do tell, DD - if you're even married - if you wife said "Some guy offered me $50k to have sex with him and I'm going to do it." - what, exactly, would you do?
 
[quote name='unclebob']how the **** do you get that i'm "whoring" my wife from the fact that i allow her to make her own decisions?

Do tell, dd - if you're even married - if you wife said "some guy offered me $50k to have sex with him and i'm going to do it." - what, exactly, would you do?[/quote]
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Wow. Great answer. You get to avoid having to follow through with your initial train of thought and completely avoid any consequence from your response.

Props.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Wow. Great answer. You get to avoid having to follow through with your initial train of thought and completely avoid any consequence from your response.

Props.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to pull a Pliskin here:

[quote name='dohdough']It's not like you're even trying to avoid this subject, but actively encouraging it as if you need it to feed your persecution complex or something. I mean how the fuck do you not get how this is completely disrespectful of you towards your wife? She might not be a whore in real life, but you're certainly whoring her around CAG to score some ideological points. You think that's any better than your strawman?

I can't believe that I'm even defending you wife here. WTF[/QUOTE]

edit: The only consequences of my responses are you continuing to whore your wife out as an ideological point. I've made several posts about how you probably shouldn't use your wife as an example of possibly being a whore, yet you persist in doing so. If you don't get it, that's your problem. Your chagrin is only making it worse.
 
It's funny how an off-hand reference to a 20 year old movie turned into me "pimping out my wife" because I allow her to make her own decisions.

Next thing I know, DD is going to be all anti-abortion because women shouldn't be allowed to make those kinds of decisions about their body.
 
I'm beginning to think that the title of the thread is sarcastically implying that Republicans are actually not classy. Does anyone know if this was intentional? I'll have to write the home office about this one.
 
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