The Stem Cell Debate Could Be Over

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Scientists find a way to make skin cells mimic stem cells.

From The New York Times:

WASHINGTON, Nov. 20 — It has been more than six years since President Bush, in the first major televised address of his presidency, drew a stark moral line against the destruction of human embryos in medical research.

Since then, he has steadfastly maintained that scientists would come up with an alternative method of developing embryonic stem cells, one that did not involve killing embryos.

Critics were skeptical. But now that scientists in Japan and Wisconsin have apparently achieved what Mr. Bush envisioned, the White House is saying, “I told you so.”

Conservative Republican presidential hopefuls like former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts are breathing a sigh of relief. And opponents of embryonic stem cell research are congratulating themselves.

The discovery that skin cells can be reprogrammed to mimic embryonic stem cells is likely to transform the sticky political debate over the science, a debate that has pitted Mr. Bush against two-thirds of the American public including prominent Republicans like Nancy Reagan and has even helped decide some elections.

The findings have put people on both sides of the stem cell divide on nearly equal political footing. Each side can now say it has fruitful research to pursue.

Each side can even lay claim to the same scientists. The author of the new skin cell studies is James A. Thomson, the University of Wisconsin researcher who extracted stem cells from human embryos in the first place.

Perhaps no one outside the world of science is as acutely aware of this as Mr. Bush. The president and his aides have been quietly monitoring the Wisconsin experiments for months, receiving briefings from Elias A. Zerhouni, director of the National Institutes of Health.

On Tuesday, senior aides to Mr. Bush said he drove the experiments by holding his moral ground.

“This is very much in accord with the president’s vision from the get-go,” said Karl Zinsmeister, a domestic policy adviser to Mr. Bush who kept the president apprised of the work. “I don’t think there’s any doubt that the president’s drawing of lines on cloning and embryo use was a positive factor in making this come to fruition.”

Mr. Bush’s critics say he should not be so quick to take credit. They note that the reprogramming method has some kinks to be worked out and say the research would never have proceeded without the initial embryo experiments. The critics say that far from encouraging research, Mr. Bush has stood in its way.

In 2001, in a compromise aimed at discouraging the destruction of embryos, Mr. Bush told federal researchers that they could work just on those stem cell lines, or colonies, already in existence. He has twice vetoed bills to ease those restrictions.

“I really don’t think anybody ought to take credit in light of the six-year delay we’ve had,” said Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the lead Republican sponsor of the bill that Mr. Bush vetoed in July 2006. “My own view is that science ought to be unfettered and that every possible alternative ought to be explored.”

“You’ve got a life-and-death situation here,” Mr. Specter continued, “and if we can find something which is certifiably equivalent to embryonic stem cells, fine. But we are not there yet.”

Embryonic stem cells are attractive to scientists because they have the potential to grow into any cell or tissue in the body and could, theoretically, be used to treat many ailments. Opponents, including Christian conservatives, say it is immoral to destroy embryos to obtain cells.

Early in the controversy, opponents, including Mr. Bush, often said they supported studies using so-called adult stem cells that involve cells extracted from blood and bone marrow. But those cells have more limited potential than embryonic stem cells, and proponents of embryo experiments said it was like comparing apples to oranges. The reprogrammed skin cells, by contrast, appear to hold the same properties as embryonic stem cells, more an apples-to-apples comparison.

“We now have a situation where, ironically, despite an inability to get political consensus, the science has presented opportunities for a variety of moral views to have an outlet,” Arthur L. Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, said. “Proponents can no longer say that there aren’t any real options.”

The debate has even been a factor in some elections like the Missouri Senate race last year. In that contest, Claire McCaskill, a Democrat, unseated Jim Talent, a Republican who opposed the research. The race drew national attention after the actor Michael J. Fox, who has Parkinson’s disease and has been a vocal advocate for stem cell studies, made a commercial for Ms. McCaskill.

The new findings could defuse the issue in the 2008 campaign, or at least that is the hope of candidates like Mr. Romney.

“This will bolster the arguments of folks like Governor Romney, who look at alternative types of research that they believe are more promising and don’t have those same ethical dilemmas,” Kevin Madden, Mr. Romney’s press secretary, said. At the same time, scientists may well begin pursuing reprogramming with vigor, if only because it is easier to obtain federal money for it, said Robert P. George, a professor of jurisprudence at Princeton who is on the president’s Council on Bioethics and opposes embryo experiments.

“I’m sure in their ideal world, we would be pursuing all methods, and that includes embryo-destructive methods,” Professor George said. “Those who want to continue to fight on this will no doubt continue. But the ranks are going to be reduced.”

That is not to say advocates for embryonic stem cell studies plan to give up. Mr. Specter and other supporters of the bill to lift Mr. Bush’s rules say they intend to continue to try to turn that bill into law, if not in this administration, then in the next one.

“None of this feels like it should be one versus the other,” said Representative Diana DeGette, the Colorado Democrat who is sponsoring the bill in the House. “That’s the politicization of science.”
 
Just because the socially conservative idiot son of an asshole banned something a while ago for the wrong reasons (faith over science) and it worked out people are crediting him with the development? Please, gimme a fuckin break.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Ah, didn't see it.[/quote]

It's cool. CAG's search function is broken anyway. Just thought you might want to see some of the comments there as well.
 
I'm skeptical about this until more information is released. Skin stem cells acting like embryonic ones =/= genuine embryonic stem cells.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Just because the socially conservative idiot son of an asshole banned something a while ago for the wrong reasons (faith over science) and it worked out people are crediting him with the development? Please, gimme a fuckin break.[/quote]

Agreed. This is just like some crazy bum off the street with a "will work for food" sign claiming he invented the wheel and it's a government conspiracy holding him down - pure unfiltered bullshit.
 
first off it gives you cancer, so we are trading a harm to a couple cells for the destruction of the whole body.


Also even the person who did the study is against stopping stem cell from embryos right now
" A lead author of one of the landmark studies, James Thomson of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, urged that reprogrammed cells not wholly supplant embryonic stem cells in research.
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"I don't like the idea of pulling the plug," he told reporters in a conference call."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/11/20/stem.cell.reax/index.html


until its as viable as embryonic stem cells, it will just cost us human lives in delays to the research. Much like Reagan did nothing about Aids, led us to behind 4-6 in AIDS research, we are falling behind in stem cell research because of an ideological peon
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']first off it gives you cancer, so we are trading a harm to a couple cells for the destruction of the whole body.
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To be fair, half the stuff we eat does that already.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']To be fair, half the stuff we eat does that already.[/QUOTE]



that maybe true, but we are giving up one evil for a lesser evil, its still evil. Even though to many people there is nothing wrong with embryonic stem cells. Religion should not be changing science, might as well still believe the sun revolves around the earth.
 
Science shouldn't be changing religion. It's like the Simpsons episode. Science should be forced to stay away at least 500 feet from Religion at all times.
 
Good to hear, glad my president made a stand.

Killing embryos for cures never made since to me but then again I am against killing the unborn!

I personally think the so-called scientist wanted to push their own godless point of view by promoting the killing of embryos. Embryotic stem cells never had the potential that these so-called scientist claimed. Nothing from the current lines ever produced anything and the fact that no private firm would take up its cause is proof enough. President Bush did not ban embryotic stem cell research, he only banned tax payer money from funding new lines. Private firms could have taken up the cause but did not because there is little hope of anything coming out ot it.
 
[quote name='iluvmywife']Good to hear, glad my president made a stand.

Killing embryos for cures never made since to me but then again I am against killing the unborn!

I personally think the so-called scientist wanted to push their own godless point of view by promoting the killing of embryos. Embryotic stem cells never had the potential that these so-called scientist claimed. Nothing from the current lines ever produced anything and the fact that no private firm would take up its cause is proof enough. President Bush did not ban embryotic stem cell research, he only banned tax payer money from funding new lines. Private firms could have taken up the cause but did not because there is little hope of anything coming out ot it.[/quote]

DNFTT, yeah I know.

The embryos are usually frozen leftovers that will be thrown out anyway, why not use them to try to help people? It's a microscopic ball of cells that hasn't even developed into anything slightly resembling an inkling of any kind of anything. I swear to god you people act like they're ripping fetuses out of women's wombs or something.

This person (if serious) is a fine example of ignorance at work. And their ignorance hurts people.
 
Personally, I like the idea of pluripotent stem cell research without the drama. Then again, I'm still not convinced stem cell research is going to cure much of anything. I've been on the research end of biology and biochemistry -- I think the best we're going to get out of stem cells, (down the line a good decade or so) is regrowth of SOME organs. I doubt we'll get a cure for Parkinson's or anything like that, unless they find a way to replace a person's brain cells while removing the diseased ones, but I don't know how you'd prevent the new cells from eventually going that route when it has the same genes which caused the disorder in the first place -- it's not like a cancer where it's a random mutation in cell production that causes the problem...

Then again, I figure within a decade, stem cell research will go the way of nano-tech -- the money will begin to dry up as people realize that the research isn't ever going to do what they initially anticipated. It'll still be useful, but not the same kind of useful they were hoping...so many will stop caring.
 
I'll celebrate when they pull this off with more complex animals, and those don't develop horrific cancer clusters.

Great step forward, though.
 
It's amazing conservatives nearly wet themselves over this news before really understanding what is was all about. Ready to blast any scientist who understands the value of stems cells and ready to embrace this promising yet too early research as "the next big thing". (It's global warming all over again). fucking morons. All we have to do is read this quote from the researcher on the project..

In fact, work by both the U.S. and Japanese teams that reprogrammed skin cells depended entirely on previous embryonic stem cell research

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/02/AR2007120201636.html

Until they embrace all science and not just their side, some people should just shut the fuck up.
 
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