The TNA Wrestling Five Year Anniversary & Sherri Martel Memorial Topic

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Impact time!

Speaking of TNA, I was wrong about Slammiversary. i watched it yesterday, and it was actually a very good PPV. The only bad match was Bashams/VKM.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']I'm in favor of keeping this going to 1,000 myself but ultimate I'll let Mr. ZL make that decision.[/quote]

I'm in favor too; tis unfortunate that Sherri's passing and Vince's stupidity had to coincide with your very original TNA topic.
 
I'm really liking this match of champions.

And LMAO at Angle raising his hand when Cornette asked if anyone had any questions.

LMAO again at Bubba wearing Lethal's hat.

I guess Angle is officially a heel.
 
Yes! I am so looking forward to Kurt's return to being a heel. He is so much better when he is an asshole. Also hopefully he goes back more to being a comedian than being serious 100% of the time.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I'm in favor too; tis unfortunate that Sherri's passing and Vince's stupidity had to coincide with your very original TNA topic.[/QUOTE]

Its very sad that Sherri passed away I will agree there.

The only good of Vince's stupidity is that I'm boycotting the WWE entirely. I just simply feel that a LOT of this is in bad taste (10 bell salutes, Steph's badly acted "promo" from Monday, etc). Not that long ago I felt that the worst thing about the WWE was between some talent not being used right (which isn't new) and of course Cena. I now wish it was only that because I felt that the WWE was *at times* finally starting to become damn enjoyable. But alas this angle alone has turned me off from WWE period.

As far as the TNA aspect of the topic I am going to try and finish the year in reviews this weekend. I just haven't had the energy to really get myself to finish them. I don't want to half ass them either. Thanks everyone for being patient. I promise they will get done.
 
Man... I hope Lethal pins Sabin. Otherwise, he's fucked.

I don't see Lethal as being in a PPV main event, but stranger things have happened. I just hope he doesn't drop the title already.
 
lolz @ Chris Harris' bootleg "More Human Than Human" entrance music.
 
I like Raven, but given their current positions on the card, Chris Harris should not need help beating Raven.

That, and I have no idea where this on and off Serotonin storyline is going.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Yes! I am so looking forward to Kurt's return to being a heel. He is so much better when he is an asshole. Also hopefully he goes back more to being a comedian than being serious 100% of the time.[/quote]

The problem is when he works the comedic heel, most people can't help but chear for him.

"You must be this tall (to Rey) to fight Kurt Angle!"
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']The problem is when he works the comedic heel, most people can't help but chear for him.

"You must be this tall (to Rey) to fight Kurt Angle!"[/QUOTE]

While that may be true, he is a heck of a lot more entertaining when he has a comedic side to his character and I think TNA worries a lot less about character development and much more about drawing interest in good matches (at least in comparison to the WWE).
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']
I insist you read it anyways.
[/QUOTE]

LOL. Frodo?

That was a good show. I like Joe being in the match of champions and I'm glad Lethal was not pinned, but that sucks that he held the title for a grand total of 2 days (4 if you go by airdates).
 
[quote name='Matt Young']MAD RHINO ON THE LOOSE! That was awesome.[/QUOTE]

Looks to me like TNA is being very devious. They're beating WWE to the punch, and stealing from them the perfect setup for a feud and/or heel turn with CM Punk.

My guess? Rhino's going to come out as an ex-alcoholic, and what James Storm did to him is unforgivable. Realistic, has a plausible reason for a feud, and could lead to some very solid hardcore matches (given Rhino's history and what Storm did with Harris a few weeks ago).

Me likey.
 
I'm sure it's common knowledge by now, but just in case:

http://keepvid.com/

Enter your youtube, dailymotion, or other link into this site to get a downloadable file that is easily converted to play on a video iPod. Awesome! I just saw a WWF Metal match b/w TAKA Michinoku and Christopher Daniels I wanna see. And Muta/Tajiri vs Hakushi/Goldust.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']The only good of Vince's stupidity is that I'm boycotting the WWE entirely. I just simply feel that a LOT of this is in bad taste (10 bell salutes, Steph's badly acted "promo" from Monday, etc). Not that long ago I felt that the worst thing about the WWE was between some talent not being used right (which isn't new) and of course Cena. I now wish it was only that because I felt that the WWE was *at times* finally starting to become damn enjoyable. But alas this angle alone has turned me off from WWE period.[/quote]

i honestly think the only reason i've been able to get back into wrestling in the past year has been because of tivo. i don't really know how this death storyline is developing, and i couldn't really be happier about that fact. despite the incredible talent roster, the wwe is still saddled with one of the most hilariously inept writing staffs out there. if the option to skip through all the bullshit wasn't there, i'd miss out on a lot of great matches.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Looks to me like TNA is being very devious. They're beating WWE to the punch, and stealing from them the perfect setup for a feud and/or heel turn with CM Punk.

My guess? Rhino's going to come out as an ex-alcoholic, and what James Storm did to him is unforgivable. Realistic, has a plausible reason for a feud, and could lead to some very solid hardcore matches (given Rhino's history and what Storm did with Harris a few weeks ago).

Me likey.[/quote]

Ohhhhhhh yeah. Wow I didn't even realize that. Great setup. :bouncy:
 
Just finished watching Impact. Once again great show this week. Glad to see that TNA is finally making Kurt a heel. The whole "I'd like to thank myself" was damn funny.

Seriously I would love to know this.... how the hell did Raven suddenly go from having a fucking beer gut to being that fucking slim? I actually had to do a quadruple take at my TV. And hell he actually was showing some passion tonight. Hopefully this fued they are building towards between him and Kazarian will be good as well.

Even without reading the spoilers I had a feeling that Joe was going to win the X Division title. Namely between the promo Joe gave and pretty much the entire flow of that X Division title match gave the feeling that Joe was going to win it. Not that the match wasn't exciting but still.

I totally agree on Myke's comments about what looks to be the angle TNA is going with in regards with Rhino. :D
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Impact time!

Speaking of TNA, I was wrong about Slammiversary. i watched it yesterday, and it was actually a very good PPV. The only bad match was Bashams/VKM.[/quote]

Then you're not going to like next week's show. It's a rematch from Slammiversary.

As for the show last night, it was actually pretty good. Nice to see the X Division title given the main event(even though it was the first match when taping).

But who the fuck are they hinting at making their way to TNA? RVD? Sabu? Technically RVD can in the middle of July, since there will be no no-compete clause since his WWE contract will expire.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Just finished watching Impact. Once again great show this week. Glad to see that TNA is finally making Kurt a heel. The whole "I'd like to thank myself" was damn funny.

Seriously I would love to know this.... how the hell did Raven suddenly go from having a fucking beer gut to being that fucking slim? I actually had to do a quadruple take at my TV. And hell he actually was showing some passion tonight. Hopefully this fued they are building towards between him and Kazarian will be good as well.

Even without reading the spoilers I had a feeling that Joe was going to win the X Division title. Namely between the promo Joe gave and pretty much the entire flow of that X Division title match gave the feeling that Joe was going to win it. Not that the match wasn't exciting but still.

I totally agree on Myke's comments about what looks to be the angle TNA is going with in regards with Rhino. :D[/quote]

Raven had a thyroid problem which caused him to gain a LOT of weight. It wasn't from food or beer. Looks like he has it under control again :)
 
[quote name='moonknight25']Raven had a thyroid problem which caused him to gain a LOT of weight. It wasn't from food or beer. Looks like he has it under control again :)[/QUOTE]

He looked the same to me.
 
Wow I didn't know that Ray Lewis was originally scheduled to have Frank Wycheck's part at the Slamiversary PPV. He backed out because of football commitments and risk of injury, but the person reporting the story on First Take said that he hopes to get into the ring for TNA at some point.

I guess that is why the Wycheck angle seemed so thrown together.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Just finished watching Impact. Once again great show this week. Glad to see that TNA is finally making Kurt a heel. The whole "I'd like to thank myself" was damn funny.

Seriously I would love to know this.... how the hell did Raven suddenly go from having a fucking beer gut to being that fucking slim? I actually had to do a quadruple take at my TV. And hell he actually was showing some passion tonight. Hopefully this fued they are building towards between him and Kazarian will be good as well.

Even without reading the spoilers I had a feeling that Joe was going to win the X Division title. Namely between the promo Joe gave and pretty much the entire flow of that X Division title match gave the feeling that Joe was going to win it. Not that the match wasn't exciting but still.

I totally agree on Myke's comments about what looks to be the angle TNA is going with in regards with Rhino. :D[/QUOTE]

Yea, what an awesome show.

The fact that the first Joe said when he won the belt was "ANGGGGGGGGGGGLE" was incredibly awesome - it's like he's doesn't give a shit about the belt, he's just using it to get close to Angle to fuck him up.

Kurt Angle was awesome, too, and that Rhino thing was insane. Amazing how TNA can outpour more personality into it's characters in an hour than WWE can do in a week. Man, Rhino going apeshit was unexpected.

That Jarrett interview was pretty devastating stuff... it really makes what WWE is doing seem shallow by comparision.
 
That Air Raid/Jung Dragons match was great. Good to see an early Styles Clash, and interesting to hear Tony mention the "Night Of Champions" a few years before WWE made a whole PPV out of it. Sucks that WCW completely missed the suplex into the superbomb from Styles and Paris though.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']
But who the fuck are they hinting at making their way to TNA? RVD? Sabu? Technically RVD can in the middle of July, since there will be no no-compete clause since his WWE contract will expire.[/QUOTE]
I thought the no-compete clause is initiated after one's contract expires or is terminated.
 
Yea, I'm wondering who they are hinting at too - I thought it was just another Chris Jericho type nonsense deal to get you to text TNA Mobile.

I will admit the possibility of Sabu being back in TNA is exciting - RVD, not so much, maybe because I don't remember anything pre WWE but he was so incredibly boring in WWE I can't imagine him being interesting in TNA. Hopefully he'll diversify his movelist in the meantime.

And the one that annoys me about TNA is they talk about the "glass ceiling" constantly.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What did they say on TNA last night about someone new possibly showing up? I missed that segment.[/QUOTE]

When they were talking about the WCW hotline TNA mobile, Borash mentioned they were in negotiations with a top star.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']but he was so incredibly boring in WWE I can't imagine him being interesting in TNA.[/quote]
His was boring because WWE wouldn't allow him to do what he did in ECW.

He felt like a fish out of water.
[quote name='Roufuss']Hopefully he'll diversify his movelist in the meantime.[/quote]

Again, his moveset in WWE was hindered by the WWE.
 
[quote name='Brak']Again, his moveset in WWE was hindered by the WWE.[/QUOTE]

I really disagree with this. What couldn't he do in WWE?

I will agree that a short RVD match (anything under 15 minutes) is a bad RVD match. And, lamentably, the only match over 15 minutes anymore in WWE is a PPV title main event match (which is probably 16 minutes).

TNA isn't faring much better in the match length department; if they allowed for some longer matches (go with a 6-7 match card, keep video recaps to a minimum, since, if we bought the fucking thing, we already know the setup) - have a few 6-10 minute matches, and then you suddenly find you have 2 and a half hours for 4 to 5 matches.

I'd argue that RVD's matches in ECW were epic because of their length, and not because of anything he could/could not do in WWE. You think TNA is going to let him do a flipping bodysplash into the crowd and onto his opponent?

I just watched Chris Jericho's debut in the WWF last night when hunting for videos to put onto my iPod. That clip STILL makes me mark out. TNA should use that as the template to debut RVD. Otherwise they'll blow it.

Oh, and the irony of Y2J's promo is fantastic. Still.
 
I hope you're right - like I said, I don't remember much about RVD pre WWE but I remember he was one of the more boring people, imo, that was there. It was like move, move, finger point, move, rolling thunder, frog splash that looked like it hurt him more than anyone, pin.

Then later on they gave him the chair kick move that was almost always botched by his opponent so it never really looked right.

I always thought the rolling thunder was stupid cause it always looked too slow and so easy to counter.

I don't want to get myself hyped that a) he's even coming to TNA and b) he is going to completely blow me away, so I'll wait with a little anticipation.

Based on what Myke wrote, I did like the RVD / Cena match at ONS, that one was decent imo, but I think it was more atmosphere than anything.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I really disagree with this. What couldn't he do in WWE?[/QUOTE]
I thought it was common knowledge that, say, a true ECW-style match, to which RVD would execute in its purest form, wasn't within the scope Vince's wrestling vision.

Furthermore, who in the WWE can keep up to RVD? They don't have anyone like RVD, really. (Except Matt Hardy, who I feel is hindered by WWE standards, as well.) You're not going to see a RVD/Lynn caliber match in the WWE, simply because they're not a.) safe and b.) they don't have many on the roster who are able / willing to put their bodies on the line.

I mean, if you look at, say, RVD vs. Bam Bam, who is a BIG man wrestler, it makes you wonder why, even though they're mismatched, why those type of matches can't be done in the WWE.

RVD feels dumbed down in the WWE, "playin' it safe" against the mongoloids who can only scoopslam and execute headlocks, over and over.

RVD literally does, like, four or five moves since wrestling in the WWE -- you can predict in what order, too, much like a Flair match. You didn't see that in ECW, and I believe there's a chance to see that in TNA.

His ECW matches were epic because of length, unpredictability, rock-paper-scissor moments with his opponents and the hardcore aspects, peppered in.

I don't see any of those aspects in his WWE matches.
 
I suppose. I think that it was a hybrid of Dean Malenko/Steve Regal chain wrestling with the big spots of modern wrestling that made Lynn/RVD great. It wasn't anything he could or couldn't do, but that to WWE chain wrestling is crap. Instead of chain wrestling, substitute punch-punch-irish-whip-spot1, punch-punch-irish-whip-spot2.

Also, RVD was innovative a decade ago. Looking at TNA's KOTM match from Sunday, if that same match happened in ECW during its prime, it would be given SIX stars by the IWC. We're accustomed to that sort of match, now, so that it's forgotten the minute it ends.

I do not disagree at all that RVD in the WWE was highly boring and highly predictable; that's the WWE style. No substance, and all spots. Nobody wants to see The Rock wrestle - they want the People's Elbow. Or John Cena's five-knuckle-shuffle. Or rolling thunder from RVD. They seem to go out of their way to make wrestling that isn't happening in a planned spot be less vanilla than vanilla itself.

So, I'll revise my argument: it's part WWE style (unrelated to spots he couldn't do, since I disagree that anything was banned), and part match length.
 
[quote name='Brak']I thought the no-compete clause is initiated after one's contract expires or is terminated.[/QUOTE]

If you're fired, then you have 90 days. They have let people wrestle on small indy shows during those 90 days, but not everyone, and nothing with tv. But when your contract expires, then you can do whatever you want whenever you want.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I hope you're right - like I said, I don't remember much about RVD pre WWE but I remember he was one of the more boring people, imo, that was there. It was like move, move, finger point, move, rolling thunder, frog splash that looked like it hurt him more than anyone, pin.

Then later on they gave him the chair kick move that was almost always botched by his opponent so it never really looked right.

I always thought the rolling thunder was stupid cause it always looked too slow and so easy to counter.

I don't want to get myself hyped that a) he's even coming to TNA and b) he is going to completely blow me away, so I'll wait with a little anticipation.

Based on what Myke wrote, I did like the RVD / Cena match at ONS, that one was decent imo, but I think it was more atmosphere than anything.[/quote]


[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10dknxj__vQ[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I do not disagree at all that RVD in the WWE was highly boring and highly predictable; that's the WWE style. No substance, and all spots. Nobody wants to see The Rock wrestle - they want the People's Elbow. Or John Cena's five-knuckle-shuffle. Or rolling thunder from RVD. They seem to go out of their way to make wrestling that isn't happening in a planned spot be less vanilla than vanilla itself.[/quote]
I think this is a great point, and it's been this way for awhile. The bronco buster, the worm, shattered dreams. There are a ton of spots like that, and the whole match revolves around them.

Has this always been the case though? Have legitimately good matches always been the exception to the rule?
 
Seeing Fit Finlay's debut makes me want to try an idea that I had a long time ago..

debuts! They're probably the same ones i've posted before, but they're still fun to watch.

Brock Lesnar's WWE Debut

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fg2hsNU8uRg[/media]

Tazz's WWE Debut

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rdx7g88Bm3g[/media]

Edge's WWE Debut

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=hDaXpPBMhVo[/media]

Chris Jericho's WWE Debut (a personal favorite of mine)

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=-pMul97Nu2w[/media]

The Gobbeldy$$$$er's Debut (#-o .. listen to how the fan reaction just dies!)

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=8GF_PM5j5aQ[/media]

Kane's WWE Debut

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=BEs0b2vm3n0[/media]

Kurt Angle's TNA Announcement/Debut (Another personal favorite!!!)

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=rJTgyE4Lm0E[/media]
[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=uf_U0DQESjE[/media]

Jeff Hardy's TNA Debut

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=IhdouDyb9bk[/media]

Christian Cage's TNA Debut

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=SutZR1875lM[/media]

Raven's TNA Debut

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=KFEYnqQqFlw[/media]

ICP's WCW debut (#-o)

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=C_Q5PvLLxuY[/media]

Scott Hall's WCW debut (Favorite debut of all time. I was younger and thought it was real, I expected a huge WCW vs. WWF war and thought it was AWESOME at the time!!)

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=zZ6A2Lhh4a8[/media]

Raven's ECW Debut

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=yHGvbJlzTOQ[/media]
 
While not the biggest Brock Lesnar fan, I was a huge fan of his debut and the way he totally decimated everyone in the ring that night.

That's the way you get somebody over as an unstoppable monster.
 
now that was my favorite raven (with that theme)... watching him the first time hooked me on ecw.

now hes just a jobber..

and i thought youtube didnt allow wwe media
 
Trinity released


Written: June 22, 2007

WWE has come to terms on the release of ECW Diva Trinity. We wish her the best in all future endeavors.
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