The TNA Wrestling Five Year Anniversary & Sherri Martel Memorial Topic

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[quote name='mykevermin']But...
how would Joe beat Angle for the title if he's his tag partner?
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Absolutely no idea. It probably means we'll see
Angle and Joe beat Team 3-D, becoming tag champs as well.

They're bitter enemies, yet have to work together to defend the tag team titles! OMG TENSION!!11
 
[quote name='Nightfall']2 stars quit TNA before tonight's TV tapings

Ron Killings and Konnan both quit TNA tonight before the TV tapings in Orlando. Both will be working for AAA in Mexico.

From Meltzer[/quote]
Here's hoping this is false since Konnan leaving would effectively kill LAX, the best angle by far that TNA has done in the past year.
 
To those saying Angle/Joe will be tag champs if one of them makes the fall, it's false. Whoever makes the fall would pick his own partner.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Scorch, when did they split up Cryme Tyme?[/quote]

..Maybe I was seeing things earlier, but I could've sworn I saw one of them on the ECW roster page.
 
[quote name='JJSP']From the TNA Impact tapings...

The main event for TNA's Victory Road PPV will be TNA World Champion Kurt Angle and TNA X-Division Champion Jay Lethal teaming up to face TNA Tag Team Champions Team 3D in a very interesting match. The winner of the fall in this tag match will win the respective title of the man he pins.

It's been rumored that Samoa Joe will defeat Jay Lethal for the X-Division title, leading to Joe replacing Lethal in the tag match.

This could be good, but it's sad to see them skip past feuds so fast. More crash booking from TNA.[/quote]
I almost wish I didn't spoil that for myself cuz you're right... it does seem like it could be a pretty cool turn out. Also brings up some interesting points. Has TNA ever had a dual-champion? I know AJ Styles is the only triple crown champion, with 3 total combinations of reigns. But no one has held 2 belts at once right? Joe should be the man to get that X-strap like you said, then the Tag strap, then finally dethrone Angle to become the first ever dual-champion AND tri-champion. Yeah... that's the ticket. :cool:
 
[quote name='Scorch']..Maybe I was seeing things earlier, but I could've sworn I saw one of them on the ECW roster page.[/QUOTE]

Elijaj Burke?
 
Here's the non-spoiler lineup for Smackdown

Chavo Guerrero & Jamie Noble vs. Shannon Moore & Jimmy Wang Yang

Mark Henry vs. Funaki

Matt Hardy vs. Finlay

Chris Masters vs. Danny Shinley(some jobber I guess)

Ric Flair & Batista vs. Edge & MVP

As for Truth & Konnan. Apparently Konnan was granted a release before the Impact taping. Truth wanted released before Slammiversary, but they had to keep him for the tag match. After it, they did grant a release for him.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']
Mark Henry Vs Funaki

Oh fuck off

What is the fuck ing point of that ??[/QUOTE]

The world demanded a rematch.

Nice to see they're making good use of Chris Masters. :rolleyes:

There are rumblings in WWE that Krystal may be the next diva to appear in Playboy.

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Praise the Lord! 23 years old, black, and delicious. That's a day 1 buy for me.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']The world demanded a rematch.

Nice to see they're making good use of Chris Masters. :rolleyes:[/quote]

Well, at least they're keeping the Major Brothers in dark matches before Smackdown.
 
Krystal has the best body in WWE IMO so that would definitely work. I just wish Playboy's photographers and airbrushers didn't suck. The Amanda Beard layout should have been a lot better than it was. I mean, you have someone with a world-class athletic body, yet you don't accentuate that in the photos? Come on. Not to mention the bad lighting.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What the fuck does Monty Brown deserve? What has he done since joining the WWE? Any major matches? Any memorable moments or promos? Anything? Bueller? Bueller?

Monty Brown hasn't done a fucking thing, hasn't meant a fucking thing, and if he gets fired tomorrow, nobody will notice. Putting the ECW title on him would be futile: he's an unknown curtain-jerker to the crowd with a shitty theme song and no character. Like Elijah Burke, but less talkative. I didn't watch ECW tonight, but of Punk or Benoit (one of them surely won), they'll get the ECW title. Nobody else on that show is even *close* to deserving the IC/US title, let alone the ECW title. They should have moved MVP to ECW so they could have some top-level heels..[/QUOTE]

Why they didn't keep him as Monty Brown is beyond ridiculous, imo.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Why they didn't keep him as Monty Brown is beyond ridiculous, imo.[/QUOTE]

I think, in the off chance he got over, he couldn't be "Marcus Cor Von" anywhere else. They're heavy on "branding" and "identity" in the marketing parlance. It makes sense - remember the Outsiders? Of course, *now* they're Nash and Hall, but *then* they were "Razor Ramon" and "Diesel." It took a good long time to get accustomed to them actually wrestling under their real names.

I'm sure there are other examples I'm forgetting. Dozens, probably.

Monty Brown has a good background - now, many wrestlers are former footballers, but outside of Goldberg and JBL, who were ever major *pro* football players (okay, okay, Ernie Ladd...but that's going back too far). Who ever made an impact on the team they played for? Who has a Super Bowl ring?

Monty Brown does. By caving in to "branding" and "character," WWE has given up on promoting him as who he is - a Super Bowl champion bad ass by the name of Monty Brown (at least they recognize what a good nickname "The Alpha Male" is).

Then again, perhaps they were dissuaded by Mark Henry's real life background never getting him over at all.

It doesn't hurt them one bit - ECW gets roughly 150% the viewership TNA does, and very few WWE fans know the ECW guys. Watch CM Punk get a lukewarm reaction on Raw. 3X as many people watch Raw as do ECW. Monty Brown was an unknown commodity to most wrestling viewers, so it's not like they're taking him in from being, say, at the level of Sting in WCW, taking off the facepaint, and making him the "Red Rooster" (or something to that effect).

That's why it's not a big deal; nobody knows who "Monty Brown" is, except for smarks and football nuts (big football nuts, actually).

Thanks for that link to the Bischoff quote about TNA, JJSP. Dude is about 90% correct. He clearly doesn't watch the product, and doesn't recognize any non-WCW/WWE guys on the show. However, the TNA mindset that thinks "oh, boy! so-and-so big name guy is coming to work for us! Here comes the ratings boost!" is completely absurd.
 
[quote name='coolcolt']Eric Bischoff talks about TNA.

http://www.impactwrestling.com/Content.aspx?ID=11758[/quote]

Might be just beating a dead horse at this point, but Bischoff says TNA doesn't "get it". Well, what would it take to "get it"?

Do they need another hour? RVD? Another network, perhaps? Although, outside of Spike, I don't know what other network would seem to work well with TNA. What's it going to take? I kinda wish he would have gone a little further with it than that.
 
[quote name='Psykoboy2']Might be just beating a dead horse at this point, but Bischoff says TNA doesn't "get it". Well, what would it take to "get it"?

Do they need another hour? RVD? Another network, perhaps? Although, outside of Spike, I don't know what other network would seem to work well with TNA. What's it going to take? I kinda wish he would have gone a little further with it than that.[/QUOTE]

You inadvertently bring up a good point: wrestling promotions often bring up how smart marks always bitch, and never praise, or offer constructive criticism. Well, that's precisely what Bischoff has done here: shit on TNA and offered nothing hopeful or to build towards. Now, I agree that TNA needs to get away from how pro wrestling has presented itself during the Monday Night Wars, and that hot-shot booking isn't going to cut it. But I'm just a dumb "smark," right? Yet when Bischoff says the same thing, it's biting criticism, isn't it? :lol:
 
TNA's wrestling is great; their story-lines are out-of-touch, written by people who are out-of-touch with the business (Terry Taylor, Jim Cornette, etc.). Mostly, anyway. There are some good storylines peppered in, here and there.

It's really evident what storylines are written by Russo, and what storylines are written by the older guys.

The things that are really great remind me of the real ECW... I wish they'd sway away from trying to be like WWE, and build one what they do right (X-DIVISION, hardcore, pure wrestling, etc.)
 
Man that powerslam on Punk was hellacious.

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Half assed or not, it looked like he almost broke Punk's neck with it. If WWE lost another wrestler to an injury they'd have to blow up Stephanie McMahon just to fill more airtime with bullshit federal investigators.
 
I was worried about Punk after that powerslam. When his arms went limp I was hoping he was trying to sell it as opposed to having gotten legitimately injured.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What the fuck does Monty Brown deserve? What has he done since joining the WWE? Any major matches? Any memorable moments or promos? Anything? Bueller? Bueller?

Monty Brown hasn't done a fucking thing, hasn't meant a fucking thing, and if he gets fired tomorrow, nobody will notice. Putting the ECW title on him would be futile: he's an unknown curtain-jerker to the crowd with a shitty theme song and no character. Like Elijah Burke, but less talkative. I didn't watch ECW tonight, but of Punk or Benoit (one of them surely won), they'll get the ECW title. Nobody else on that show is even *close* to deserving the IC/US title, let alone the ECW title. They should have moved MVP to ECW so they could have some top-level heels.[/quote]

Wait, you're making it sound like the ECW title actually means something still :whistle2:k

You're kidding about moving MVP right?

Unless WWE is going to actually put more than one top card guy (Benoit) on ECW (like they attempted at first with Show, RVD, Angle), then what is the point of moving over anyone else? The brand will never be anything more than a glorified version of Velocity/Heat now.

So, while the ECW title meant something when Sandman held it 5 times, when Raven held it, every time that Shane Douglas held it, and even when Rhino held the true ECW title for the last time; that belt means next to nothing now. At this point that belt is basically the Hardcore Title that isn't ever defended in hardcore matches.
 
Their best bet is to put the ECW Title on Benoit and have him get guys over by feuding with him over the title like he did with MVP.
 
Benoit getting the ECW title is the only hope of making ECW somewhat credible. Btw, what do you guys think about Mick Foley in the title match? Isn't he past that point now...he should be used to put talent over at big events these days not as a contender.
 
The problem moon is that even with Benoit getting the ECW its a scenario of "too little too late." Most people have written off this incarnation of ECW as Heat/Velocity. Unless the WWE is really willing to put credible challengers to face Benoit I doubt even with him having the title that it would change much of anything.
 
[quote name='moonknight25']Benoit getting the ECW title is the only hope of making ECW somewhat credible. Btw, what do you guys think about Mick Foley in the title match? Isn't he past that point now...he should be used to put talent over at big events these days not as a contender.[/quote]

Pretty much how I feel. The guy fucked up his fan support when he turned heel for a very lame & short storyline for the ONS PPV last year. Reading his last book, he sounds like he's got a overinflated ego, since he was hoping to main event last year's Summerslam. Then pretty much got pissed when they put Edge in that spot and him in a feud with Flair.

Can you see why Triple H hates using the guy in storylines? At least Hogan tried to get some people over last time he wrestled in a WWE match. Foley couldn't even say that.
 
Doesn't Foley have some deal with the company where they pay him, and all he has to do it show up on TV when they ask him and he gets like...2 matches a year I think. I can't remember where I read that or if was 2 matches or 4. I just remember it being a pretty sweet deal to not REALLY have to be involved but a few times a year and continue to get paid.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Man that powerslam on Punk was hellacious.

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That could have ended very badly (broken neck, torn up knee). Looks like Cor Von didn't get his weight centered just right.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']
Can you see why Triple H hates using the guy in storylines? At least Hogan tried to get some people over last time he wrestled in a WWE match. Foley couldn't even say that.[/quote]

Excuse my ignorance but doesn't Hogan win every time he comes back (eg Randy Orton), where as Foley jobs every time he comes back, so surely Foley is the one getting people over ?

But I take your point about guys who work week in, week out, wrestling all the house shows etc getting frustrated with guys floating in for a couple of matches a year.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Excuse my ignorance but doesn't Hogan win every time he comes back (eg Randy Orton), where as Foley jobs every time he comes back, so surely Foley is the one getting people over ?

But I take your point about guys who work week in, week out, wrestling all the house shows etc getting frustrated with guys floating in for a couple of matches a year.[/quote]

Oops, forgot all those short feuds, I basically meant when he first came back from WCW. He put over Triple H, Taker, Kurt Angle, Lesnar and a couple others while he was there. What has Foley done except lose in the past 7 years?
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Oops, forgot all those short feuds, I basically meant when he first came back from WCW. He put over Triple H, Taker, Kurt Angle, Lesnar and a couple others while he was there. What has Foley done except lose in the past 7 years?[/quote]

Put people over by losing, including getting himself put through a flaming table.
 
That botched move by Monty Brown doesn't surprise me. Last year I was at a TNA PPV in person and in the Christian-Brown title match, he botched so many spots. He came across as very sloppy in most of the matches I saw him in TNA. He needs to be put in a program with someone who can improve his basic spots. As of right now, hes basically all funny facial expresssions and that pounce.

If anyone could use Foley's "rub" it would be Umaga. His stock has fallen a lot in my eyes after that Trump crap and all of the losses to Lashley. He was really close to becoming a huge heel threat in the live crowds eyes, but now his reactions have dropped a lot in the last month or so.
 
I've noticed a lot of Foley hate on some other message boards lately... i wonder why. I've always been a big Foley fan so maybe i'm just biased but imho he was one of the best things during the MNWs/attitude era.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']I've noticed a lot of Foley hate on some other message boards lately... i wonder why. I've always been a big Foley fan so maybe i'm just biased but imho he was one of the best things during the MNWs/attitude era.[/QUOTE]

Seems like backlash against him for appearing (very often) solely to pimp something (BUY MY BOOK! BUY MY BOOK!)
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Seems like backlash against him for appearing (very often) solely to pimp something (BUY MY BOOK! BUY MY BOOK!)[/QUOTE]

I can understand that but i dont think it should negate all the great things he accomplished while still active.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Put people over by losing, including getting himself put through a flaming table.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I mean, Foley's put together some good matches as he's drifted in and out of the WWE. The fans still pop for him at the arenas so he's doing something right. As far as the book promotions go, I feel like he does it in such an intentionally cheesy way that it's less annoying. Or perhaps 13 years of being a Cactus Jack/Mankind/Foley fan just lets me endure nearly anything he says or does.

I'm not a huge, mindless fan of many guys but Foley's one of them. Sabu too.
 
Regardless of him being a glorified salesman for his present endevors, there is still no one who can sell like Foley. I dont care what type of bump hes taking, he does it so fucking incredible... its like art to me. Thats always been my favorite thing about him. When i was younger i would watch tapes repeatedly just to study the way he would fall. His promos were always a step above most others as well, he always seemed to have so much emotion and conviction in them.
 
No matter if he does come back to hawk something, when he gets thrown in a fued it usually is money. His fueds with Edge and Ric Flair were really good and the promos cut during the Flair fued were some of the best to come out of the WWE in a long long time.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']No matter if he does come back to hawk something, when he gets thrown in a fued it usually is money. His fueds with Edge and Ric Flair were really good and the promos cut during the Flair fued were some of the best to come out of the WWE in a long long time.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if I want to blame the wrestlers for trying to work with each other so late in their careers, or the office for booking stupid matches, but while the setup for that feud was fantastic, the matches were dismal.

What Foley has done in his return feuds is typically great (Randy Orton, Edge), but I really think that, more than anything, "Hardcore Diaries" provided an insight into Foley's personal, egotistical side that, frankly, I didn't think he had. He always came across as the most selfless person in the ring. And he still does, to a degree. The book showed him disagreeing with WWE writers and the office (a noble effort indeed!), but it was more "I want to use all these top-card resources and be the centerpiece of the show, or at least damned close" than it was "what the fuck are you guys thinking, dumping poop on the spirit squad!?!?"
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What Foley has done in his return feuds is typically great (Randy Orton, Edge), but I really think that, more than anything, "Hardcore Diaries" provided an insight into Foley's personal, egotistical side that, frankly, I didn't think he had. He always came across as the most selfless person in the ring. And he still does, to a degree. The book showed him disagreeing with WWE writers and the office (a noble effort indeed!), but it was more "I want to use all these top-card resources and be the centerpiece of the show, or at least damned close" than it was "what the fuck are you guys thinking, dumping poop on the spirit squad!?!?"[/quote]

Yeah, he bitches in the book that Vince did not want to be in his ONS storyline. Only cause McMahon wanted to only be in one storyline and that was going to be the DX reunion. All they were going to do in the ONS storyline was have Terry Funk bite McMahon in the ass literately. Cause of that, he pretty much blames McMahon for the failed setup of the ONS match.

That book is almost as bad as HBK's book where he bitches about Bret Hart from the beginning to the end of the book.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I really think that, more than anything, "Hardcore Diaries" provided an insight into Foley's personal, egotistical side that, frankly, I didn't think he had. He always came across as the most selfless person in the ring. And he still does, to a degree. The book showed him disagreeing with WWE writers and the office (a noble effort indeed!), but it was more "I want to use all these top-card resources and be the centerpiece of the show, or at least damned close" than it was "what the fuck are you guys thinking, dumping poop on the spirit squad!?!?"[/QUOTE]

I've never read the book, or any of Foley's books for that matter so this is just a possible theory on what i think. Do you think Foley might have written that book in that way to possibly make the book sell. Did he have the same attitude in his other books? If not then i think maybe that was his way of doing something different so it wouldn't be just more of the same. No one wants to buy the same book three times. If i remember correctly wasnt he touting it as " i'm not pulling any punches and everyones going to be upset by all the things i'm saying." I could be totally off on this but its just a theory.

I do agree though that part of Foley's appeal was how he came off as a very selfless person and genuine. If he is egotistical and whatnot it would be a huge disappointment, but this is pro wrestling so who am i kidding.
 
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