The Ultimate 'Build-A-PC' Thread. Complete With Pricings & Recommendations (06/06/10)

[quote name='paz9x']thanks ramstoria. updated to show good links.

saw a fry's ad today showing a kingston 64gb SSD
with 2x2gb 1333mhz ram for $110

that should be enough for a win7 and office install right?[/QUOTE]

plenty of space for win7 and office
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']plenty of space for win7 and office[/QUOTE]

well ill research the model and if theres no issues ill probably pick it up in the morning.

well neweggs reviews are very mixed. some report good read/write times others report horrible times.
i think ill still stop by frys in the morning. want to check instore prices on cases too.
 
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[quote name='evildeadjedi']I saw that granted I would probably replace the psu with the ocz or a corsair one. My dilemma is Phenom II or i5. I7 is just not feasible for me.[/QUOTE]

i was in the same boat a couple months ago and in nearly every test ive seen the i5 bests the 965be.
its on level with some of the i7's as well. my biggest issue lies with the 1156 socket overclocking problem.

i think if price is basically the same i cant see another reason outside the socket issue or wanting ddr2 ram to go with amd.

i will admit to not knowing shit so...
 
I have been considering upgrading for a few years. I used to be huge into PC gaming and then I couldn't afford it for the longest time(yet still built systems for my firends and co-workers). My Geforce 4 Ti 4600 and AMD Athlon XP 1500 were great about 9 years ago. Still running like a champ but very slow.
 
[quote name='E_G_Man']So my roommate asked me to build a computer for him on a $1000 budget. Trying to keep it under $1000 after shipping I have come up with this so far: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11962905
What are your thoughts on this build? Because I am still a little over $100 under I was thinking about upgrading the video card.

He already has a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and OS.[/QUOTE]

video card should be fine, i would add a little more ram and maybe get a wireless N card.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']video card should be fine, i would add a little more ram and maybe get a wireless N card.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply.

Before I knew I was so far under the budget I thought about going wireless N but I thought at the time I was going to be much closer to the mark than what I ended up at.

As far as RAM goes what do you suggest, 6 gig?
 
[quote name='E_G_Man']Thanks for the reply.

Before I knew I was so far under the budget I thought about going wireless N but I thought at the time I was going to be much closer to the mark than what I ended up at.

As far as RAM goes what do you suggest, 6 gig?[/QUOTE]

id go 8 because its a 4 slot mobo. but i didnt ask before, is a 64 bit OS being installed on the system, if not, theres no point in going above 4 gigs.

and if you can squeeze n in, go for it. i was very surprised with how much better my wifi reception was when i upgraded to n, well worth it.
 
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[quote name='E_G_Man']So keeping the budget under $1000 how does this look now? http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11962905
I made only slight changes with the mobo and the RAM and added a firewire card at his request.

And is there any real difference between these three cards?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150462
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858[/QUOTE]

the 3 cards are the same architecture and chipset, so they are essentially y the same. there are probably small differences in manufacturing and cooling, but nothing significant.

build looks good.
 
[quote name='E_G_Man']So keeping the budget under $1000 how does this look now? http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11962905
I made only slight changes with the mobo and the RAM and added a firewire card at his request.

And is there any real difference between these three cards?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150462
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858[/QUOTE]

what ramstoria said but the xfx cards have lifetime warranty.
 
deciding on a platform/cpu is killing me.
it seems every comparative test ends up differently. sometimes the i7 920 looks awesome others it gets beat by the i5 750

maybe you guys can lend your thoughts.
as far as cost, im not seeing any difference that matters to me between i7 920 and 860 which are what im debating. 1156 mobos that offer 8x xfire are $200 which is about where im at with 1366 mobos
the ram is a wash about the same $/gig.

so. the main purpose is general use. heavy ms office use and multitasking. ive deciding i want to have a good gaming pc for once and ill probably be getting an 5850 though i might go for a 5870.
as far as the gaming any of these cpus and platforms will be awesome. i want to xfire down the road so that option is required. which makes the 1366 seem like the way to go.

I pay a bit for power and seeing power consumption charts where the 920 is using 12-30% more than the 860 could make a difference.

I plan on a light OC which leads me to believe the 920 will give more perforamnce since a lot of the tests are done with the 860 turbo mode effectively oc'ing.
 
I think I'm waiting for AMD to finally release their newest... which won't be till summer.

I like intel fine, not bias, but AMD is so much cheaper, and everything intel is so much expensive.... I kinda want to keep AMD around to keep costs down.

I'm still currently looking for a cheap Intel board with enough SATA ports to build my Home Server, but so far getting one it has to have the Intel 10 chipset and the cheapest board is 70... yuck.
 
[quote name='xycury']
I'm still currently looking for a cheap Intel board with enough SATA ports to build my Home Server, but so far getting one it has to have the Intel 10 chipset and the cheapest board is 70... yuck.[/QUOTE]

How many SATA ports are you looking for? 6? I would probably just pay $70 straight up for a board with 6 SATA ports, so you don't have to worry about adding a controller card later on, at least not for a while.

I have this basic ASUS P5G41-M LE/CSM which comes with 4 SATA ports. I didn't think I needed more but I did, so I added this Rosewill SATA 4-Port controller for 4 extra internal SATA ports. I paid $60 for the board and $30 for the controller card, so I think it's worth paying $70 for a board with the amount of SATA you need.



[quote name='paz9x']deciding on a platform/cpu is killing me.
it seems every comparative test ends up differently. sometimes the i7 920 looks awesome others it gets beat by the i5 750

maybe you guys can lend your thoughts.
as far as cost, im not seeing any difference that matters to me between i7 920 and 860 which are what im debating. 1156 mobos that offer 8x xfire are $200 which is about where im at with 1366 mobos
the ram is a wash about the same $/gig.

so. the main purpose is general use. heavy ms office use and multitasking. ive deciding i want to have a good gaming pc for once and ill probably be getting an 5850 though i might go for a 5870.
as far as the gaming any of these cpus and platforms will be awesome. i want to xfire down the road so that option is required. which makes the 1366 seem like the way to go.

I pay a bit for power and seeing power consumption charts where the 920 is using 12-30% more than the 860 could make a difference.

I plan on a light OC which leads me to believe the 920 will give more perforamnce since a lot of the tests are done with the 860 turbo mode effectively oc'ing.[/QUOTE]

Honestly I think both are going to be great choice. It's going to be hard to side one way or another because while both platforms have their own pros and cons and differences, when it comes down the end, they're both just great that their differences and perhaps future supports won't matter THAT much to us (the typical consumers).

If I were to choose either or for myself right now, I'd still go with i7 920 because of its overclocking potential and that the X58 platform can do X16X16 in crossfire whereas on the P55 only X8X8 can be achieved. Triple channel memory is a nice plus but I seriously don't see the difference between it and dual channel memory myself. Both platforms will still have great future support; with hexacore coming out to the market the X58 will get a good boost, but it'll be too expensive and too powerful for most people so I don't exactly consider it a possible future upgrade potential for most people.
 
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thats one thing thats gets me about people commenting on the next line of hexacore cpus being a selling point for 1366 now. what percentage of users are even possibly going to buy a cpu thats going to cost what $700+

I think youre right on with either of them being fantastic.

edit. well the decision got easier with the 920 being $200 at microcenter.
 
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[quote name='paz9x']
edit. well the decision got easier with the 920 being $200 at microcenter.[/QUOTE]

Damnit! It just went down again for the last few weeks it was 229 now it's 200 again. This makes the decision still tough for me. P II 955, i5 750 or i7 920?
 
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[quote name='evildeadjedi']Damnit! It just went down again for the last few weeks it was 229 now it's 200 again. This makes the decision still tough for me. P II 955, i5 750 or i7 920?[/QUOTE]

hah it sucks doesnt it.
i dont have a microcenter in my state so hopefully my dad can ship me one.
i think im going to wait until I see the friday ad for fry's id hate to see a great combo.
 
I'd go for i7 920 if you have the budget. The X58 motherboards cost around $50 - $70 more than the P55 series, and the triple channel DDR3 will cost around $50 more than dual channel kit. You're looking to pay about $100 more for the i7-920 vs i5-750, and perhaps about ~$130 more than Phenom II X4 965. If money is tight and your budget falls below $800 for the entire system, I'd just stick with i5-750.

I would consider Phenom II X4 965 if the i5-750 didn't exist. They perform nearly the same but the LGA1156 platform seems to have better CPU upgrade path down the pipe so far.

Sample budget i7-920 build:

i7-920 - $200 @ Microcenter
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R - $174
Corsair 6GB DDR3 1600 - $140
500GB HD - $55
Sapphire HD 5770 1GB - $155
~600W PSU - ~$80
Case + DVD burner - $varies

So you're looking at $800 for the most basic parts to build a good i7-920 machine, not counting the case and burner. If you don't have that budget, stick with i5-750 and you'll save about $100.
 
[quote name='SOSTrooper']I'd go for i7 920 if you have the budget. The X58 motherboards cost around $50 - $70 more than the P55 series, and the triple channel DDR3 will cost around $50 more than dual channel kit. You're looking to pay about $100 more for the i7-920 vs i5-750, and perhaps about ~$130 more than Phenom II X4 965. If money is tight and your budget falls below $800 for the entire system, I'd just stick with i5-750.

I would consider Phenom II X4 965 if the i5-750 didn't exist. They perform nearly the same but the LGA1156 platform seems to have better CPU upgrade path down the pipe so far.

Sample budget i7-920 build:

i7-920 - $200 @ Microcenter
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R - $174
Corsair 6GB DDR3 1600 - $140
500GB HD - $55
Sapphire HD 5770 1GB - $155
~600W PSU - ~$80
Case + DVD burner - $varies

So you're looking at $800 for the most basic parts to build a good i7-920 machine, not counting the case and burner. If you don't have that budget, stick with i5-750 and you'll save about $100.[/QUOTE]


I know with 1156 I could eventually get the i7-860 and I think next year some of the 32nm ones are coming out that will probably be compatible with 1156. However, the next AMD chips should be AM3 looking at what they did with the AM2 AM2+ and AM3 ones. 1366 will have an upgrade path but the hexacores will be insanely priced and it will be awhile before the core i7's will be obsolete(plus there is the option of upgrading to the higher clock base ones later). I have thought about the 5770 but wouldn't it be a big bottleneck with an i7 920? Granted at the moment I'm only gaming in 1440X900 but I plan on upgrading my lcd to either 1680X1020 or 1920X1080.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']I know with 1156 I could eventually get the i7-860 and I think next year some of the 32nm ones are coming out that will probably be compatible with 1156. However, the next AMD chips should be AM3 looking at what they did with the AM2 AM2+ and AM3 ones. 1366 will have an upgrade path but the hexacores will be insanely priced and it will be awhile before the core i7's will be obsolete(plus there is the option of upgrading to the higher clock base ones later). I have thought about the 5770 but wouldn't it be a big bottleneck with an i7 920? Granted at the moment I'm only gaming in 1440X900 but I plan on upgrading my lcd to either 1680X1020 or 1920X1080.[/QUOTE]

The idea is to start your rig at the budget you've set, and upgrade incrementally along the way to spice it up. 5770 performs about more or less the same as 4870, which is good enough for most of today's games even at 1920x1080 (except Crysis of course). Say in a year or so you feel the machine is performing not up to your liking for a new game that just came out, you can drop another $120 or so (probably the new price point of 5770 1GB by then) and get another card for Crossfire configuration. This is not only limited to X58 but also P55 and AM3 motherboards too.

You can start out big by getting a 5850 or 5870 right off the bat, but know that you will be dropping $300-$400 for the video card from the get-go. If you have this budget, go for it. If not, 5770 won't 'bottleneck' the i7 in the sense that you're stuck with what you have. Whenever you feel the 5770 is not up to par on the latest greatest games you play, pair it up with another 5770.

At the end, your budget should dictate what you're going to get, $600 budget? Go for i3-530. $700? Go for i5-750. $800? i7-860. $900? i7-920 (the generous pricings of Microcenter made these builds possible). But if you have a money tree in your backyard, go for the best platform of course, which is the X58/LGA1366.
 
Will be checking this thread soon, as my desktop looks like it's circling the drain. If it goes kaput, I will be trying my hand at building my own rig.
 
 
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[quote name='billyG']Anyone have a moment to check and see if this is a decent budget build? Saw this on another site and was giving it consideration.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136167
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119203
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131603
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231277
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.312206
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.323089[/QUOTE]

I don't know why, but whenever I try to open any of these links I get brought to a page on Newegg telling me that it could not find the correct page. Could you add these items to a wish list and post that instead?
 
[quote name='E_G_Man']I don't know why, but whenever I try to open any of these links I get brought to a page on Newegg telling me that it could not find the correct page. Could you add these items to a wish list and post that instead?[/QUOTE]

I was able to fix the links, I think the problem was with the .... in the middle of the addresses since I copy and pasted. I tried to make it into some sort of sharable/public wishlist but I can't figure out how to get a url from the newegg site that is sharable.
 
 
[quote name='SOSTrooper']The idea is to start your rig at the budget you've set, and upgrade incrementally along the way to spice it up. 5770 performs about more or less the same as 4870, which is good enough for most of today's games even at 1920x1080 (except Crysis of course). Say in a year or so you feel the machine is performing not up to your liking for a new game that just came out, you can drop another $120 or so (probably the new price point of 5770 1GB by then) and get another card for Crossfire configuration. This is not only limited to X58 but also P55 and AM3 motherboards too.

You can start out big by getting a 5850 or 5870 right off the bat, but know that you will be dropping $300-$400 for the video card from the get-go. If you have this budget, go for it. If not, 5770 won't 'bottleneck' the i7 in the sense that you're stuck with what you have. Whenever you feel the 5770 is not up to par on the latest greatest games you play, pair it up with another 5770.

At the end, your budget should dictate what you're going to get, $600 budget? Go for i3-530. $700? Go for i5-750. $800? i7-860. $900? i7-920 (the generous pricings of Microcenter made these builds possible). But if you have a money tree in your backyard, go for the best platform of course, which is the X58/LGA1366.[/QUOTE]


I see what you're saying now at 600 why would you go i3-530 over either a amd x4 620 or x3 720 be?
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']I see what you're saying now at 600 why would you go i3-530 over either a amd x4 620 or x3 720 be?[/QUOTE]

Well I think for raw performance, all 3 of those CPUs you listed are very similar. If you google benchmark comparisons for them, you'll see that while each of them might be better at handling certain games, the overall gaming performance is about the same. But if you look at your upgrade path in the future, Intel already has several more powerful CPUs than AMD Phenom II X4 965 right now. AMD's socket AM3 future is a little murky at best, I believe the 6-core CPUs coming out Q2/Q3 of this year will be supported by some AM3 motherboards (yes, not all). So it's anyone's guess which motherboards will be supported; maybe the 770/790 chipsets. At the same time most games won't utilize the 6-core architecture which means we likely won't see any significant gain over the existing quad core (or even dual core) CPUs; the same reason why some games perform no better on quad core than dual core.

I just think right now the Intel i3 is a better choice for being able to future proof the PC. You get the same raw performance now and know that you can always upgrade to i7 860/870 later on. If AMD releases some more concrete news about their future CPU road map, my recommendation will change, especially when AMD's pricing is very attractive right now for immediate performance. But until their socket AM3 future is drawn out (you know, we want more powerful dual/triple/quad cores in the $200 range, not expensive 6-cores), I'll still recommend the Intel LGA1156 for mid-range gaming builds.

i3-530 vs Athlon X4 620/630
 
Kind of Off topic, but I was looking at this thread trying to decide on parts to use when I saw this refurbished in stock and I bought it:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5617720&CatId=5140

I heard it was a good deal, but I am a little worried about problems I might encounter. When it arrives should I take everything apart and check to make sure everything is connected properly? Is there a site with instructions on how to check components to make sure they work? I heard Sandra and Belarc Advisor work, is there something else I should run?

Also I have some Arctic Silver Thermal Compound I bought when I thought I was going to be building a computer. Should I replace the stock thermal paste with the Arctic Silver or should I buy a Cpu Cooler first?

I apologize in advance if this is the wrong thread. I didn't think my questions warranted another thread.
 
^^ I think that is a good purchase, regardless whether it is a refurb or not. Usually some people including myself are against pre-built gaming systems, but in this case for the price of it (I'm assuming it was $750 something?), it is a good buy, since the i7 920 CPU and motherboard alone would cost $450, another $200 for the 9GB of DDR3, and $150 for the GTX 260 video card.

To answer your other questions, you might want to hold off opening the case until you actually turn it on, run some benchmark and stress test, look at the CPU and GPU temperatures. If you're unsatisfied with CPU temp (maybe it's 60C on load, which is a tad too hot), then go ahead and open it up and see what CPU fan they use. If it's a stock fan, you can replace the stock thermal paste with the arctic silver by removing the stock fan and wipe the old paste off with rubbing alcohol on a tissue, then apply the arctic silver. If you want to replace the fan altogether, see how much room you have for the CPU fan before purchasing one. Some CPU fans are ginormous and may not fit inside the case.

I'm certain that the wire connections inside the case are all fine. I mean you can double check, but it's unnecessary to take everything apart, unless you plan on transferring the parts to another case.
 
Yeah I got it for $730. I am just worried that the previous owner may have messed something up inside the case. I will probably hold off on the thermal paste until I can afford a new psu and cpu cooler, that way I can overclock if I want to.

Thanks for replying. :)
 
Hey Sos, thanks for all of the advice in this thread so far!
So I ordered a couple of parts to upgrade my comp. And also decided that I want to go from Vista x32 to Win7 x64, which I see requires a new install instead of just upgrading. Well I have been using my older (original?) raptor drives that are only like 74gb... There is a micro center near me, so that I won't have to wait again for parts and it seems the prices for HD's is pretty spot on with all the other sites, just not as wide of a selection. Would you recomend any of these over the other, or is there really any difference worth freting over? I'm having a difficult time figuring out which manufactures are the goto brand in this range.

Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB 7,200RPM SATA Blue? 59.99
Hitachi 500GB Deskstar 3.5" SATA 7,200RPM 56.99 or 1Tb for 69.99
Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7,200RPM SATA 79.99 (price seems steep?)

Seems all the samsungs they have are 5400rpm.
 
Out of all those choices, I would go for the WD Blue drives. It's just a better balance between brand and price. In the end, if none of the drives fail, they're all pretty equal in terms of performance. But when you factor in reliability, warranty services, performance, and price, I think the WD Blue drives will take the cake here.
 
Well heres what I ended up with.

Coolermaster HAF 922
OCZ modxstream pro 700W PSU
LG 24x DVDr
Intel i7 860
Coolermaster Hyper 212
GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x2gb
EVGA P55 FTW mobo
XFX 5870
intel x25 80gb ssd

Ill be running win7 pro 64bit

I had some issues with several prices jumping and combos disappearing the morning I went to order. I had to change the ram and case.
I was set on the lian li lancool k62 but I decided on the 5870 inplace of the 5850 and it looked like fitment was very tight. so my final choices were the haf 922 and silverstone rv02
I sorta wish id bought the rv02 but i saved $50 with the 922. I have a 200mm fan for the side intake in my cart but i might wait to see how it does without it. Im also wondering if I should get another 120mm for the cpu sink.

The ram went up $20 a set so i just ordered the one set, Ill order another set when it goes back down.

The total was substantially over my original budget but im telling myself the changes were worth it.
I picked up a logitech g15 a couple weeks ago and ordered a g500 as well.

Does anybody have any experience using this [URL="http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-QcK-Mouse-Pad-Black/dp/B000UYANGM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1265472408&sr=1-1]Steelseries Qck mousepad[/URL] with a laser mouse?

feel free to leave suggestions for the build.
 
[quote name='paz9x']Well heres what I ended up with.

Coolermaster HAF 922
OCZ modxstream pro 700W PSU
LG 24x DVDr
Intel i7 860
Coolermaster Hyper 212
GSkill Ripjaws 1600 2x2gb
EVGA P55 FTW mobo
XFX 5870
intel x25 80gb ssd

[/QUOTE]


I think the only thing I have to say is.... this is going to be one heck of a monster rig! Good choice on the parts. For the CPU heatsink, I don't think you need a 2nd 120mm fan yet. Fans are cheap but it's unnecessary to buy more than you need. I would use the Hyper 212+ in its stock form first, if you don't like the performance, then you can consider getting better fans for it.
 
This might be the wrong thread, but I figured someone could help me out.

I'm still in college so getting a laptop would be nice. But I want it to be able to play modern games at a decent resolution, minimal or no lag. Around 800 would be nice, but if I must I could spend 1000.

Is this realistic or should I just build a pc?
 
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']This might be the wrong thread, but I figured someone could help me out.

I'm still in college so getting a laptop would be nice. But I want it to be able to play modern games at a decent resolution, minimal or no lag. Around 800 would be nice, but if I must I could spend 1000.

Is this realistic or should I just build a pc?[/QUOTE]

Depends on what games you play and how portable you want your laptop to be. You can easily find a 15.6" laptop that is equipped with a capable dedicated video card that can handle moderate gaming for $800-$1000. Dell/Alienware recently came out with a M11X ultraportable gaming laptop. It retails for about $850 and has a good blend of gaming power and light weigh portability. But if gaming is a priority and you are picky with playing games at high details and ultra-smooth framerate, building a PC is the better solution. Otherwise, Asus also makes a lot of decent gaming laptops for under $1000. Just don't settle with a video card less than ATI Mobility 4650 or nVidia GT230M.
 
I was thinking of having a computer built since whenever I ask for assistance in buying a prepackaged desktop I get met with people telling me to build one.

I saw that the sample builds on the front page haven't been updated in a while so I'll ask, can anyone recommend me parts to buy? I want an i7 system with an ATI card, somewhere along the lines of $1000 or $1100.
 
[quote name='Kanik']I was thinking of having a computer built since whenever I ask for assistance in buying a prepackaged desktop I get met with people telling me to build one.

I saw that the sample builds on the front page haven't been updated in a while so I'll ask, can anyone recommend me parts to buy? I want an i7 system with an ATI card, somewhere along the lines of $1000 or $1100.[/QUOTE]
do you have a microcenter nearby and do you have any parts to reuse?
 
[quote name='paz9x']do you have a microcenter nearby and do you have any parts to reuse?[/QUOTE]
Nope, in the northeast so there's no microcenter or fry's. Nothing to reuse.
 
[quote name='Kanik']Nope, in the northeast so there's no microcenter or fry's. Nothing to reuse.[/QUOTE]

does that price need to include monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers? because thatll be pretty darn hard to get an i7 build out of.
 
[quote name='paz9x']does that price need to include monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers? because thatll be pretty darn hard to get an i7 build out of.[/QUOTE]
No monitor, keyboard, mouse or speakers needed.

I'm really leaning towards not building it and getting an Alienware for about $1200 with an i7 2.66ghz, 6gb ram of and ATI 5770. But everyone insists that the hardware will be crap and I'll end up regretting it unless I build it.
 
[quote name='Kanik']No monitor, keyboard, mouse or speakers needed.

I'm really leaning towards not building it and getting an Alienware for about $1200 with an i7 2.66ghz, 6gb ram of and ATI 5770. But everyone insists that the hardware will be crap and I'll end up regretting it unless I build it.[/QUOTE]

if you really dont want to build it then just buy it. you are overpaying a bit though that may not matter much. ill have a build done in a minute
 
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