The Ultimate Warrior's wrestling topic

[quote name='Zenithian Legend']
Oh man... I just had a horrible thought, what if the guy that comes over isn't Snitsky, but is worse... what if it's Mark Henry? :shock:[/QUOTE]

OMG.

I am almost willing to bet that this is what's going to happen.

If you take Batista off Smackdown, who is feuding for the title? Kennedy is out, Benoit is rumored to switch over, they don't want to give Regal a shot, Kane probably won't get a shot... that leaves a lengthy feud between Batista / Edge as the main reasons to watch Smackdown.

Mark Henry isn't doing anything worthwhile... and creatives LOVES to push him... oh no... Cena is beating these indestructible monsters... Mark Henry is pushed as one... :cry:
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']What was in the link? It's down for me.

Nevermind, I see it is about MVP.

All I'll say is that Booker T turned his life around so I'll give the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmateReleases/

If you input last name Burke, first name Alvin, you'll find MVP's profile. I think it's very safe to say Burke has turned his life around, given that he's been released since July of 1999.
 
[quote name='Roufuss'] Mark Henry isn't doing anything worthwhile... and creatives LOVES to push him... oh no... Cena is beating these indestructible monsters... Mark Henry is pushed as one... :cry:[/quote]

Then they should have him talk like Khali, something "Mizark want title, settle for no less" :roll:.

As for Snitsky, I don't think they're going to be pushing him that much after they realized the dead silence from the crowd during his matches.
 
Something to realize is that sentence length as determined by the court =/= actual time spent in prison. Whether they get time served for the time spent in jail during the trial (if they aren't bailed, for example), or they get "good time" (6 mos. with no rule infractions reduces your sentence 6 mos, roughly speaking), or they get parole (increasingly unlikely in the past 35 years, but that's another debate)...few people "max out," in the criminological parlance.

You're far less likely to meet someone who served every day of their committed sentence than you are someone who served less than it. MVP's really around the average, though it shows he did behave himself while incarcerated, if nothing else.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']
If you take Batista off Smackdown, who is feuding for the title?
[/quote]
Well hopefully Mark Henry... possibly Mysterio, the roster is pretty thin these days. Hasn't Edge already beat Batista enough anyway?

Maybe Finlay vs Edge?
 
I wonder if any or all of this is true:

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MuBG8jUxnM[/MEDIA]

That shit about Patterson is downright creepy.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I wonder if any or all of this is true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MuBG8jUxnM

That shit about Patterson is downright creepy.[/quote]

That is a facinating clip.

Didn't they say something about child molestation though? They never did elaborate. Maybe that is where the Savage rumors come from. Either way, I wager most of that was true.

I still blame vince for Owen's death. Bret is a bigger man than I ever could be becasue I doubt I could forgive someone for something like that.
 
Man, after watching more shoots, I kinda think it's cool that Dynamite kid is so bitter and in a wheel chair. I'm surprised people don't go up to him and piss on him just to see the look on his face.

I also read and saw more about Patterson the prowler. Man, that many similar rumors lead me to believe that Patterson really was after younger wrestlers and into trying to get them to have sex with him. I'll never look at Pat Patterson the same way.
 
I just heard 2 Cool's entrance theme playing in the background of a MTV's My Super Sweet Sixteen promo.
 
[quote name='Brak']I just heard 2 Cool's entrance theme playing in the background of a MTV's My Super Sweet Sixteen promo.[/quote]
OMG 2 COOL WOWZ... *me imagines a dance off between Curry Man and Rikishi to 2 Cool's theme song*
 
For anyone that owns the Horsemen and Dusty Rhodes dvds, do they retain the original Horsemen music and Dusty music, or is it all dubbed over as usual?
 
[quote name='neocisco']I was going through some old threads looking for video links and found this one that myke posted. This needs to be posted again.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I think I cracked a rib laughing at this.[/QUOTE]


Wow, just wow.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmateReleases/

If you input last name Burke, first name Alvin, you'll find MVP's profile. I think it's very safe to say Burke has turned his life around, given that he's been released since July of 1999.[/quote]

wow his address is not too far from mines...

ive known about this though..
 
[quote name='neocisco']I was going through some old threads looking for video links and found this one that myke posted. This needs to be posted again.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I think I cracked a rib laughing at this.[/quote]

Wow, that made Ron Killings sound credible as a rapper.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']For anyone that owns the Horsemen and Dusty Rhodes dvds, do they retain the original Horsemen music and Dusty music, or is it all dubbed over as usual?[/QUOTE]

Dunno. I'll look into it.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Wow, that made Ron Killings sound credible as a rapper.[/quote]

Ron Killings - "You can get with this or you can get with that. You can get with this cause this is where it's at. Wasup? Wasup? Wasup? Wasup?"

I don't know, it seems too close to call.
 
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuBFlsDLVZ8[/media]

Sounds just like the same thing he said after Eddie Guerrero died.

He sounded just as insincere then. :(

ZL, where was that video showing Dynamite Kid bitching? I couldn't find it.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Man, after watching more shoots, I kinda think it's cool that Dynamite kid is so bitter and in a wheel chair. I'm surprised people don't go up to him and piss on him just to see the look on his face.

I also read and saw more about Patterson the prowler. Man, that many similar rumors lead me to believe that Patterson really was after younger wrestlers and into trying to get them to have sex with him. I'll never look at Pat Patterson the same way.[/QUOTE]

Z, where do you watch shoots at online (unless you do actually buy the DVDs)?
 
Ah, I didn't even bother to check. I assumed that they would have been removed, at least the RF Video (or whatever ROH's video company is called now) ones.
 
For those keeping score, Sylvain Grenier was hired by the WWE at the recommendation of Pat Patterson. Credible sources (read: jobber friends who worked against him at an ECW taping) say he's Patterson's personal boy toy.
 
That's been common knowledge for a while, and WWE.com kind of acknowledged it by saying that Pat was with his "very close friend" Sylvan when he had a health scare.
 
I am just now watching my tape of this week's ECW. I'm curious- Has anyone else noticed that, while announced as Stevie Richards, the graphic on the screen always lists him as Steven Richards?

I'm probably the only one who has noticed, since Stevie is one of my favorites on the WWE roster. I wouldhave brought this up earlier, but dude hadn't been on TV for along time.
 
[quote name='niceguyshawne']Isn't the WWE rehab program "We wish you luck in your future endeavors?"[/quote]

Either that or they incorporate it into a storyline (Hawk). Then again, WCW did that with Scott Hall too.

Someone please tell me why I continue to support Vince by watching his shit?
 
Can anyone tell me what's the big problem with the WWE saying "wrestling", why the hell is everyone forced to say "sports entertainment" ?

Does Vince think that wrestling just takes up time that he could use babbling so he wants to minimise it's importance?
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Can anyone tell me what's the big problem with the WWE saying "wrestling", why the hell is everyone forced to say "sports entertainment" ?

Does Vince think that wrestling just takes up time that he could use babbling so he wants to minimise it's importance?[/quote]

I guess it is the same reason "sanitation engineers" don't want to be called trashmen. I really don't know.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Can anyone tell me what's the big problem with the WWE saying "wrestling", why the hell is everyone forced to say "sports entertainment" ?

Does Vince think that wrestling just takes up time that he could use babbling so he wants to minimise it's importance?[/QUOTE]

There has been some relaxation of that policy, I've noticed. People aren't *as* afraid to say "wrestler" or "wrestling" on TV, though it's still infrequent enough that when it is said, you notice it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']There has been some relaxation of that policy, I've noticed. People aren't *as* afraid to say "wrestler" or "wrestling" on TV, though it's still infrequent enough that when it is said, you notice it.[/quote]

There was an instance on Raw where it was totally ridiculous to say sports entertainment instead of wrestling, unfortunately I can't remember it, at the time I thought I'd post here to see if anyone new why it had started in the first place.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Can anyone tell me what's the big problem with the WWE saying "wrestling", why the hell is everyone forced to say "sports entertainment" ?

Does Vince think that wrestling just takes up time that he could use babbling so he wants to minimise it's importance?[/quote]

I remember it had to deal with licensing fees.

Here it is...

[quote name='wiki']The term came into prominence in the 1980s through its use by the World Wrestling Federation and its chairman, Vince McMahon. Use of the term sports entertainment was promoted within the WWF to demarcate itself from athletic contests regulated by athletic commissions. By doing this, the WWF and its wrestlers were able to avoid heavy commission fees and license costs.[/quote]
 
[quote name='getmeoutofjoliet']I remember it had to deal with licensing fees.[/QUOTE]

Partially. Licensing for the event, and, until WWF came out and said "it's a work," they had to pay large sporting fees, and of course...

...submit their athletes to drug tests.

Vince McMahon is inconsistent on steroids. He did an interview under 5 years ago wherein he said that pro wrestlers shouldn't be subject to the scrutiny of random drug tests, since pro wrestling is not a "contested sporting event." In other words, he argued there is no advantage to be gained in a wrestling match as the result of doing steroids - the finish is known ahead of time.

However, those video clips will show you that he's wrong - steroids do give you an advantage, because they get you in the door and they help get you a job. You gotta have "that look" anymore, and that's been the case for over 3 decades.
 
I find it interesting that Vince kept the ECW brand in tact, but completely obliterated the WCW brand. Considering that WCW was at one point beating WWF in ratings, and got all sorts of media attention for its use of celebrities, it would be safe to assume that "WCW" could still be very proffitable.

Odd that Vince threw away all that mindshare. If he had preserved WCW exactly as it was and kept the Monday night wars going, he could have made a mint.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I find it interesting that Vince kept the ECW brand in tact, but completely obliterated the WCW brand. Considering that WCW was at one point beating WWF in ratings, and got all sorts of media attention for its use of celebrities, it would be safe to assume that "WCW" could still be very proffitable.

Odd that Vince threw away all that mindshare. If he had preserved WCW exactly as it was and kept the Monday night wars going, he could have made a mint.[/quote]

I think it's more surprising that Vince hasn't created a WCW show that he can be on every week yet.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I find it interesting that Vince kept the ECW brand in tact, but completely obliterated the WCW brand. Considering that WCW was at one point beating WWF in ratings, and got all sorts of media attention for its use of celebrities, it would be safe to assume that "WCW" could still be very proffitable.

Odd that Vince threw away all that mindshare. If he had preserved WCW exactly as it was and kept the Monday night wars going, he could have made a mint.[/QUOTE]

He tried to bring back the WCW brand right after WCW folded, but TNN didn't want any more wrestling programming at the time and they didn't want any WCW programming.
 
Times have changed the perspective on WCW. At the time the buyout happened, WWF had been HOT for 4 years or more; moreover, "WWF" fans were taught through-and-through to hate everything associated with WCW. The Radicalz got over b/c they were too good for WCW, and they made the smart choice to leave a political environment for the "everybody gets a chance if they step up" environment of the WWF. They hated Bischoff and everything he stood for.

Times have changed, and we often look back at WCW with rose-tinted glasses, if only because we want real competition. TNA is not considered in WWE's "league" by most fans (even TNA fans), and WWE has been so consistently awful since the Alliance angle that wrestling fans are desperate for something, *anything*, to make them fans again.

Really, I think all TNA needs is RVD and a 2-hour show to become real competition - and to kill off Sonjay Dutt's new character, which they're debuting tonight.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I find it interesting that Vince kept the ECW brand in tact, but completely obliterated the WCW brand. Considering that WCW was at one point beating WWF in ratings, and got all sorts of media attention for its use of celebrities, it would be safe to assume that "WCW" could still be very proffitable.

Odd that Vince threw away all that mindshare. If he had preserved WCW exactly as it was and kept the Monday night wars going, he could have made a mint.[/QUOTE]

He wouldn't have a mint, because he would have made the WCW brand unwatchable garbage like ECW.

Imagine if he kept the monday night wars going, and WCW was suddenly doing better than WWE? Vince's ego wouldn't allow that to happen, even if he did own both companies and it really didn't matter.
 
WCW would be nice, but you really can't compete against yourself. Think about it outside of tv. Can EB Games and Gamestop really compete against each other right now? No, because it wouldn't make sense. It would be stupid for EB Games to have a fire sale to steal customers from Gamestop.

Same here, even if WCW existed in some form (like ECW), it wouldn't compete. You won't have 2 shows going up against each other. The most "competition" you get is the announcers from Raw and Smackdown both saying they have the best show.

Would Vince put 2 PPV's against each other? Would he put 2 shows on against each other? No, and he is too tempted to take the money now and combine all 3 shows for every PPV. There isn't even much of a feeling that the shows are separate.

To be fair, the old WCW (which I never really watched) is dead. Much like the old ECW is dead. It isn't coming back, even if the name does. The closest thing to a revival was the first One Night Stand for ECW, but that is long gone. My prediciton is, by the time ONS comes next year, it'll be much more dominated by the other 2 brands (that's if ECW is still around).
 
[quote name='lordxixor101']WCW would be nice, but you really can't compete against yourself. Think about it outside of tv. Can EB Games and Gamestop really compete against each other right now? No, because it wouldn't make sense. It would be stupid for EB Games to have a fire sale to steal customers from Gamestop.[/quote]

What would it matter when the money goes to the same place? They should have at least kept Ebgames.com the same...and I've gone waaaay off-topic :)
 
[quote name='Roufuss']He wouldn't have a mint, because he would have made the WCW brand unwatchable garbage like ECW.

Imagine if he kept the monday night wars going, and WCW was suddenly doing better than WWE? Vince's ego wouldn't allow that to happen, even if he did own both companies and it really didn't matter.[/QUOTE]

The Monday night wars would not have continued, but rather WCW would have went back to having a Saturday Night Show.

RD goes into all this at the end of his book on WCW.
 
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