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[quote name='Ruined']I think McCain just speaks off the cuff more, while Hillary's remarks are more often prepared. I'm not sure who will do a better job with the economy, but in terms of the war McCain's real life war experience will at least give him a picture of what our soldiers are up against.[/QUOTE]

How does someone who speaks "off the cuff" get Sunnis and Shias consistently confused this week, on three separate occasions offering up the idiotic idea that Al Qaeda in Iraq (Sunnis) are being trained by Iranians (Shia)?

I make mistakes now and then, but I don't make the same mistake three times in a row while trying to convince others of my competence in these areas (let alone when I have a committee to make sure I don't fuck up, and let alone even more when I have Joe Lieberman on my side telling me I misspoke the first few times).

EDIT: McCain intends on dying in office? The hell are you talking about?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']EDIT: McCain intends on dying in office? The hell are you talking about?[/quote]

McCain said something about this being his last chance to be president, but I honestly can't find the quote.

Unless he can guarantee Obama or Hillary will win two terms, why couldn't he run for president at 75?

It helps that his mother is still alive at 95, but his dad keeled over at 70 coupled with his extended stay at the Hanoi Hilton and history of cancer more than cancel that out.

Even pictures of Hillary at her most haggard don't look as bad as McCain at his best.

The repeated gaffes on Al Queda tell me his noodle is starting to go, too.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']McCain said something about this being his last chance to be president, but I honestly can't find the quote.

Unless he can guarantee Obama or Hillary will win two terms, why couldn't he run for president at 75?

It helps that his mother is still alive at 95, but his dad keeled over at 70 coupled with his extended stay at the Hanoi Hilton and history of cancer more than cancel that out.

Even pictures of Hillary at her most haggard don't look as bad as McCain at his best.

The repeated gaffes on Al Queda tell me his noodle is starting to go, too.[/quote]

He's like Reagan, without the charisma! Yay!
 
[quote name='Tybee']He's like Reagan, without the charisma! Yay![/quote]

The truth about Saint Ron is that he did value American lives on some level.

He was riproaring to start the nuclear holocaust until the Pentagon showed him the probable casualty figures on the American side in '83 or '84.

The Pentagon said it was winnable ... at the cost of 150 million American lives.

Reagan decided to not charge over that cliff and wanted to talk with the Russians.

Of course, it didn't hurt that Andropov kicked the bucket at the best possible moment.

The History Channel had a great special about it.

McCain's brain in his first term would be like Reagan's brain in his second term.
 
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You do have to wonder about McCain's mental capacity, theres no denying that someone his age isn't as sharp as they used to be. After all, what good is experience if you can't remember half of it?
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Obama just got another endorsement, this time from Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar.[/quote]

That ain't all. Check out the Hillary Deathwatch.

To surmise:

- The latest Gallup poll shows Obama with a 10-point lead, well outside the margin of error and his largest lead this year. Guess Rev. Wright wasn't the albatross Obama-haters hoped he'd be...

- The caucus results from Texas were certified over the weekend and, surprise surprise, turns out Hillary (despite winning the primary) actually lost the state by 4 delegates.

- Despite loaning herself $5 million dollars, Hillary's campaign is still in the red and can't pay its bills.

Poor (literally) Hillary... I hear Bosnia's nice this time of year.
 
[quote name='Tybee']That ain't all. Check out the Hillary Deathwatch.

To surmise:

- The latest Gallup poll shows Obama with a 10-point lead, well outside the margin of error and his largest lead this year. Guess Rev. Wright wasn't the albatross Obama-haters hoped he'd be...

- The caucus results from Texas were certified over the weekend and, surprise surprise, turns out Hillary (despite winning the primary) actually lost the state by 4 delegates.

- Despite loaning herself $5 million dollars, Hillary's campaign is still in the red and can't pay its bills.

Poor (literally) Hillary... I hear Bosnia's nice this time of year.[/quote]

And yet she keeps going.... I wonder what it will take before she finally realizes she has no chance?
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']And yet she keeps going.... I wonder what it will take before she finally realizes she has no chance?[/quote]

She keeps insisting that she's going to hang in all the way to the convention. But I think after her last hurrah in Pennsylvania, the pressure from pretty much everyone else in the Democratic party, friend and foe, will eventually be too great and she'll bow out after losing in Indiana or North Carolina.
 
Hey Obama fans -- who do you think should be his VP? I've come up with some ridiculous lists, but I'm wondering what others think.
 
[quote name='t0llenz']Hey Obama fans -- who do you think should be his VP? I've come up with some ridiculous lists, but I'm wondering what others think.[/QUOTE]

Raul Castro would be my first pick.
 
[quote name='youtube video above']"Only a man's character is the real criterion of worth"[/quote]


Well said. And I learned all I needed about his character after hearing his soft excusing response to the Jerimiah Wright shit.

I wouldn't let a babysitter near my kids that thought Wright's words were anything but despicable, let alone vote for him. The fact that he stayed in that church, and associated with Wright, knowing what he preached, is all but an endorsement.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Well said. And I learned all I needed about his character after hearing his soft excusing response to the Jerimiah Wright shit.

I wouldn't let a babysitter near my kids that thought Wright's words were anything but despicable, let alone vote for him. The fact that he stayed in that church, and associated with Wright, knowing what he preached, is all but an endorsement.[/quote]


I highly doubt you were even going to vote for him in the first place so its not really a loss
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']I highly doubt you were even going to vote for him in the first place so its not really a loss[/QUOTE]

I actually considered it before I saw his moral voting record.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I actually considered it before I saw his moral voting record.[/quote]



so then it wasn't Wright it was his voting record, then why even bring up Wright in the first place?
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']so then it wasn't Wright it was his voting record, then why even bring up Wright in the first place?[/QUOTE]

Because I thought it was incredibly ironic for whoever made that video to put that quote at the end.

I can respect someone that tells me they really like Obama's agenda and his plans for "change" in this country. I will disagree with a lot of it, but I can respect someone liking a candidate because they agree with his platform and issues outlined on his website.

But it's hard for me to respect anyone championing a candidate based on strength of character, when it's obvious to me, because of said events, there isn't much.
 
[quote name='Msut77']http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-gains

Is anyone else really looking forward to an Obama vs. McCain debate?[/quote]

After, what, 22 Democratic debates, it will be a nice change of pace, yes.

I lost so much respect for Charlie Gibson, George Stephanopoulos, and the entire ABC News division Wednesday night (and not just for the way they hectored Obama, but for the way they conducted the entire debate). And surveying the Internet and other media outlets, I'm not the only one. Shame on them.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
But it's hard for me to respect anyone championing a candidate based on strength of character, when it's obvious to me, because of said events, there isn't much.[/QUOTE]

I have plenty of friends who have said various ignorant shit from time to time. It made me think slightly less of them, but not disown them and turn my back on them.

Obama did the same here, denouncing what he said but saying he couldnt' disown a long time friend/mentor for some bone headed comments that he totally disagreed with. And as he said, just like he couldn't disown his white grandmother who sometimes made racist remarks.

I'd think it would be more of a lack of character to have thrown Wright under the bus for his comments to help himself politically, versus handling it the way he did by denouncing the comments and giving a thoughtful speech on race relations.

Personally, that episode strengthened my belief that Obama is the right choice for president.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I have plenty of friends who have said various ignorant shit from time to time. It made me think slightly less of them, but not disown them and turn my back on them.

Obama did the same here, denouncing what he said but saying he couldnt' disown a long time friend/mentor for some bone headed comments that he totally disagreed with. And as he said, just like he couldn't disown his white grandmother who sometimes made racist remarks.

I'd think it would be more of a lack of character to have thrown Wright under the bus for his comments to help himself politically, versus handling it the way he did by denouncing the comments and giving a thoughtful speech on race relations.

Personally, that episode strengthened my belief that Obama is the right choice for president.[/quote]

Me too dmaul, but if thrustbucket prefers disloyal wishywashy flipfloppin backstabbers (Much like James Brown) thats his prerogative.
 
All I have to say is, exchange Obama for a white candidate, and exchange wright for David Duke or even Trent Lott.

Y'all would be singing a totally different, double standard, tune. And you know it.

I'm sure you'll try to argue it's not the same thing. But I'm sorry, it is a pretty damn close analogy.


Edit: Of course Obama shouldn't have thrown him under the bus. It would have been an obvious pandering move to do to a friend of 20 years. I'm glad he stands by his friendships and convictions, that does show some integrity. But I can't understand politically supporting someone who "looks up to" such a racist.
 
TB, you're right for the most part. About me at least. It's what makes me partisan and I really can't help it. It's the name of the game. Don't hate the player...

Your last sentence though, is equating my admiration of Thomas Jefferson as admiring slaveownership. Nobody's perfect, and it is possible to love/respect/support/admire someone's strengths while at the same time shunning their weaknesses.

I admire Lincoln alot, even though he was an ugly bastard. You can't say that I support ugly people though because generally I hate them and try to run them over with my car.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']

I admire Lincoln alot, even though he was an ugly bastard. You can't say that I support ugly people though because generally I hate them and try to run them over with my car.[/QUOTE]

Hehe. Touche. good one.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
Edit: Of course Obama shouldn't have thrown him under the bus. It would have been an obvious pandering move to do to a friend of 20 years. I'm glad he stands by his friendships and convictions, that does show some integrity. But I can't understand politically supporting someone who "looks up to" such a racist.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty much a walking contradiction. He looked up to Wright for years when he wasn't spouting that type of stuff.

And he denounced those comments without throwing his long time friend/mentor under the bus. That was the most ethical way to deal with it IMO, and it satisfied any concerns I had.

And race has nothing to do with it. If it had been Clinton and some racist white person, I'd have given her the same kudos if she'd done the same. Though I think she'd be more likely to just throw the person under the bus.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Though I think she'd be more likely to just throw the person under the bus desk and made them start givin her head.[/quote]

Fixed.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That's pretty much a walking contradiction. He looked up to Wright for years when he wasn't spouting that type of stuff.

[/QUOTE]

This is the part I don't buy at all.

You are not close enough to a person to have them marry you and be your preacher for that long, only to hear a few short sermons 20 years later that became what we have all heard.

Obama knew what kind of guy Wright was all along. He was ok with it. Did he agree with him? Maybe not. But we are fools if we think he didn't ever hear Wright say things like that until pretty recently.

This doesn't really change anything though. The bottom line is, if you are ok with obama being ok with Wright, then so be it.

I'd be far more ok with all this if Obama had just said "Yeah he's kind of the crazy uncle. Always shooting his mouth off about something.... but we love him." Instead, we first get a denial that he ever heard Wright say that, which was followed by an admission that he'd heard it, but didn't agree with it. Which doesn't sit well..... and hints at more of the same, in that regard, from the whitehouse if he's elected.
 
pitt/dmaul thrusts mental deficiencies aside it is not as if there was a chance in hell he was going to vote for Obama. The Wright issue despite what the veritable army of wankers said did not have any staying power and there is no reason to rehash it anymore.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't jump the gun. Clinton hasn't conceded anything yet.[/quote]

I wanna see if she's just being an insanely stubborn mule, Bill threatened her in some way to get him back into the White House or else, or if she really has some sort of trump card.
 
[quote name='VioletArrows']I wanna see if she's just being an insanely stubborn mule, Bill threatened her in some way to get him back into the White House or else, or if she really has some sort of trump card.[/quote]

She's got nothing. Stubbornness surely plays a part, but she's just looking for a way to save face and leave on a high note and while she's waiting, hoping for something -- anything that might sink Obama. Let her waste her time, waste her money, waste any political capital she has left. It's over for her and finally everyone realizes it.
 
Clinton can still win if she gets the delegates from Michigan and Florida.

I'm sure Obama supporters would flock to Hillary after she completes that maneuver.
 
Sometimes I think "What would our country be like now, if in 2000, when Gore actually won the election, he would have taken the presidency?"

Now, with Obama's victory imminent, it's an exiciting time. I'm super psyched he is going to win the Dem. nom.

Still, I almost feel bad for the guy. Assume that he does win. Then what? He has still got to battle an extremely strong and well-entrenched beauracracy, and tons of other problems he'll encounter. Pheraps the biggest of them being the satus quo. Even if re-elected, I don't know if he'll be able to restore this country to it's original position (economically, politically, and morally) before the Bush years. All the same, he will still try and likely be a fantastic president for that.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Clinton can still win if she gets the delegates from Michigan and Florida.

I'm sure Obama supporters would flock to Hillary after she completes that maneuver.[/quote]

Nope. That's no longer the case. In fact, Michigan already reached an agreement to apportion its delegates (69 to Clinton, 59 to Obama) and Florida will as well and there's still mathematically no way they would move Clinton past or even close to Obama, nor give her enough to win the nomination.

How many ways must we say this? IT'S OVER.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']

Still, I almost feel bad for the guy. Assume that he does win. Then what? He has still got to battle an extremely strong and well-entrenched beauracracy, and tons of other problems he'll encounter. Pheraps the biggest of them being the satus quo. Even if re-elected, I don't know if he'll be able to restore this country to it's original position (economically, politically, and morally) before the Bush years. All the same, he will still try and likely be a fantastic president for that.[/QUOTE]

Your hopeful assumption that he is "outside" the standard beauracracy, somehow above the system, and a fighter for the people is cute, yet naive.
 
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