TIME magazine deems PS3 a bust.

[quote name='jer7583']glad to have a little civil discussion here. I can admit, the PS3 is worth it, if you really want that kinda stuff.

I want games, though. Personally, that $500 is a huge waste if you're looking for something to play games on. The 360 (high end, HD/online gamers) and the Wii (Low end, family, nintendo loyal gamers) have that market cornered.

I can admit that the PS3 is worth it, as a blu-ray/media player, with some gaming functions. That's something that I have zero interest in personally. Sony had better hope that i'm in the minority on that opinion.[/QUOTE]

Hehe dont see where you are seeing civil discussion but /shrug.

Anyways. I agree that I can see buying a PS3 if you want a Blu Ray player. But I cant understand from a gaming stand point right now how anyone can buy one less they are just really really rich and can afford to drop $600 on something that a year or two from now will have a few good exclusives.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Welp seems like your just another jackass who
1. Likes tossing insults at others
2. Loves his own opinion so much he cant appreciate anyone elses.
3. Has no sense of the middle ground and must go to one extreame or the other.

The middle is usually right. Thus I like being in the middle. The truth is that PS3 is cheap as a Blu Ray player but expensive as a gaming console. Im sorry your not smart enough to understand it. Dont bother responding, after seeing your insults and your point 1 and 2 I stopped reding your post and you now are on ignore as well. Again, I aint wasting my time on kids who cant act like adults. Disagreeing with others is fine, but tossing insults from the start and refusing to even look at others point of views makes you just that.

In the future try talking to others if you dont understand what they have to say. It beats insulting them and assuming they must be an idiot.[/QUOTE]

First off, I tried having an intelligent conversation with you. I apparently failed. I give a person at least three or four posts of conversation before insulting them. Maybe you should try reding your own posts again. Also I said your logic was retarded, I never called you retarded. Your head is up your ass simply because your posts are like a game of table tennis with a wall. I'm saying what others are saying only not as nicely. Rather then actually reading what someone has to say, you flame and ignore them. Someone call the Wahmbulance.

So let's recap for a second CAGers.

1. Magus posts confusing posts riddled with grammatical, spelling, and logical errors.

2. I try to have a conversation with Magus. His posts become even more muddled.

3. I call Magus out on his confusing posts in a less then nice fashion.

4. He answers me back in less then nice fashion.

5. I restate what I said before in less then nice fashion and expanded on it.

6. He responds with an idiodic diatribe on how I don't read his posts (problem in the first place is that I did), how he's in the middle and therefore right, how he didn't even bother reading my post, and how I am now ignored from his posts because I don't look at others points of view. The hillarious hypocricy of this post boggles the mind of a rational person, but most of us are used to it on CAG by now and the discussion continues.

God's in his heaven and all's right in the world, no?
 
[quote name='jer7583']glad to have a little civil discussion here. I can admit, the PS3 is worth it, if you really want that kinda stuff.

I want games, though. Personally, that $500 is a huge waste if you're looking for something to play games on. The 360 (high end, HD/online gamers) and the Wii (Low end, family, nintendo loyal gamers) have that market cornered.

I can admit that the PS3 is worth it, as a blu-ray/media player, with some gaming functions. That's something that I have zero interest in personally. Sony had better hope that i'm in the minority on that opinion.[/QUOTE]

I think it's premature to call it a waste, however. the 360 launch titles weren't all that mind-blowing, save for a WWII FPS (;)), and looking at the titles I have for the 360 (around ten), I have only owned two launch titles (PD0 and CoD2), and after that, the oldest game I own is Oblivion. The PS3 does have a great deal of good games on the horizon, but the problem is that the 360 has great games *right now*, and the Wii has classics on the VC (there isn't a must-have Wii title this side of Zelda). If the PS3 and 360 launched at the same time, it would be a bigger debate, but now they're playing catch up, so the big games have to come soon.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Considering that the PS1 was software emulation on the PS2, and the PS2 on PS3 is the actual chipset, your comparison is night and day.[/QUOTE]

This is wrong. The PS1 chip was included in the PS2, it wasn't software emulation.
 
Wow, I've got to say, I'm shocked after today.

I went shopping with my wife to return a few errant Christmas gifts and try (in vain) to scope out 2 Wiis (one for friends at church, one for my Dad). As I hunted around I saw signs and actual stock of PS3s at almost every store (EB, Gamestop, Circuit City, Meijer, FYE, Sears), yet not a Wii nor Premium 360 in sight. The Gamestop even had a "used" one, that had stickers on it saying "NEVER OPENED!" but was $579 for the 60 GB version. My wife, who's pretty separate from the game world, even commented at the signs, "Wow, are they desperate to sell these things or what?"

It was March of this (almost last!) year before I saw any stock anywhere of the 360. I was really pretty dumbfounded about seeing PS3s at every store save for Target that would carry them. Obviosuly, the console war is not decided in the first month and a 1/2, but riding the hype wagon to get a decent amount of momentum to the system is crucial.
 
[quote name='daroga']Wow, I've got to say, I'm shocked after today.

I went shopping with my wife to return a few errant Christmas gifts and try (in vain) to scope out 2 Wiis (one for friends at church, one for my Dad). As I hunted around I saw signs and actual stock of PS3s at almost every store (EB, Gamestop, Circuit City, Meijer, FYE, Sears), yet not a Wii nor Premium 360 in sight. The Gamestop even had a "used" one, that had stickers on it saying "NEVER OPENED!" but was $579 for the 60 GB version. My wife, who's pretty separate from the game world, even commented at the signs, "Wow, are they desperate to sell these things or what?"

It was March of this (almost last!) year before I saw any stock anywhere of the 360. I was really pretty dumbfounded about seeing PS3s at every store save for Target that would carry them. Obviosuly, the console war is not decided in the first month and a 1/2, but riding the hype wagon to get a decent amount of momentum to the system is crucial.[/QUOTE]

The two gamestops I went to yesterday both had them in stock yet no Wiis and one was sold out of 360s. Also saw a dad and two seperate groups of kids ask about Wii availabilty while I was out....and heard 2 people smack talking the PS3. Again certain people in the topic dont want to appreciate it, but this has just got sony started on the wrong foot.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']What I want to know is how long can Nintendo ride this iPod-like popularity? The next year will be interesting to say the least.[/quote]Yeah, and what the software tie-in ratio happens to be by the end of the system's life. I can see my Dad, once he gets the system, only ever playing Wii Sports, or perhaps a sucessor to it. Maybe he'd grab PacMan or Donkey Kong from the VC, but that's about it. Not that Nintendo cares too much, since they're making cash regardless, but more software sales would be better for them.

I'm anxious to see what the playing field looks like in 12 months as well.
 
I dont know if thats how publishers think. Marketshare is marketshare. It doesnt matter if a Capcom game sells more on the Gamecube than PS2, the potential marketshare is better, even if the tie in ratio is better for Nintendo systems historically.
 
Finding a PS3 is not hard at all. I had one at my store that we couldn't get rid of for the life of us.

Customer "Hey you guys got PS3?"

Me "Yeah you want it?"

Customer "Nah I can't afford it right now, but that's cool that you got one"

That's the conversation I had with plenty of people that day. I had to end up calling a friend, who I knew wanted one, just to get it out of our store and bump our revenue.

Like I said, it's not that people don't want them, I think people just can't afford them or see no point in buying one for that price.
 
I have a feeling that the Wii will ride the hype for a while, and publishers will see how millions of people bought one, so they'll start making games for it. Then, when the "new gamers" who bought a Wii just for Wii Sports don't buy all these new games, third parties will stop making so many games for the Wii.
 
[quote name='rickonker']I have a feeling that the Wii will ride the hype for a while, and publishers will see how millions of people bought one, so they'll start making games for it. Then, when the "new gamers" who bought a Wii just for Wii Sports don't buy all these new games, third parties will stop making so many games for the Wii.[/QUOTE]

I don't think this logic works. What attracts regular gamers to a console are the games, and if the Wii gets the games (regardless of how), the gamers will see the library of games, and buy the console to buy the games...wow, that was wordy.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Regarding your last sentence, you certainly seem to be counting your chickens before they are hatched, no? You have good company amongst others in this thread.

Now, I respect your indifference towards BC, but the precedent set by the PS2, GBA and DS in prior years, as well as the fact that all consoles this gen are in some way BC (360 is limited BC, PS3 is fully BC w/ PS2 and PS1, and the Wii is fully compatible with GC, and the VC can be seen as an extension, in a sense, of the BC promise), suggests that BC matters a great deal. I agree with the "just keep your old systems and play the games on them" mentality, but that doesn't mean I don't want BC. Its proliferation seems to suggest that other gamers want it too. Think about it in terms of Nintendo's decision to not include DVD video playback on the Wii - this is only a major problem to people who only own a Wii and no other console from the past 6 years, and also do not own a DVD player. Having DVD playback would be redundant an unnecessary for some people, yet there was a smattering of controversy (not much by any stretch) over the fact that it can not play your videos.

I think we're having this discussion as nuanced gamers: BC doesn't matter much to you, and it matters a great deal to me. To be fair, I also play a number of import games, so the decision to enforce region coding for PS1/2 games was a *major* let down for me, and one I hope will either be rescinded in a future update, or circumvented with a custom OS for the PS3.

I wasn't trying to suggest that the BC of the PS3 makes or breaks the system; merely that it is something other than the beaten-to-death Blu-Ray drive that can be considered as placing it above and beyond its similarly-priced competition. As for the "broken" games on the PS2, I'm confident a fix will come around soon enough for Guitar Hero (it's a disappointment to me, too) - the 360's operating system was not anywhere near as nice as it is now last November, so I'll give Sony the benefit of the doubt - and with three software updates so far, they certainly seem to be working on aspects of it.

What I would like to challenge you on is the "broken" BC games on the PS3. Please direct me to a list of nonplayable games on the PS3. This does not include, of course, games that were a problem on the PS2 (such as the myriad problems with some of the 2-D Final Fantasy remakes). It's not "100%" compatible, that much I'll give you. With thousands of titles available for the system (over 4000, I believe), you'll find that those "broken" games are quite a paltry sum of the available titles, as compared with the 60+% of Xbox titles I have that don't work on the 360.[/QUOTE]

I'm not "jumping the gun", Sony is currently in third place, this is cold, hard fact, I never said that they couldn't win the war down the line. At this point it's easily anyone's game and to count out the former two-time champ would be foolish. HOWEVER, at the moment, they are dead last.

It's not that I don't think anything of BC, I just believe that it should come at no extra expense.

Don't go lumping me in with these random, Sony-hating anti-fanboys that have been popping up lately, I like Sony and I still regard PS1 & PS2 as the two greatest systems ever. It's just that the PS3 is a myraid of bad decisions, much like the PSP before it. The only difference is that one was an over-expensive and super flawed portable that did things no other portable did before, where as the PS3 is an extremly over-priced system that only does what other systems do, only not as good :razz:

Botomline: The PS3 is and out and out bust, however there's still plenty of time for Sony to pull ahead and change things around.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']I'm not "jumping the gun", Sony is currently in third place, this is cold, hard fact, I never said that they couldn't win the war down the line. At this point it's easily anyone's game and to count out the former two-time champ would be foolish. HOWEVER, at the moment, they are dead last.

It's not that I don't think anything of BC, I just believe that it should come at no extra expense.

Don't go lumping me in with these random, Sony-hating anti-fanboys that have been popping up lately, I like Sony and I still regard PS1 & PS2 as the two greatest systems ever. It's just that the PS3 is a myraid of bad decisions, much like the PSP before it. The only difference is that one was an over-expensive and super flawed portable that did things no other portable did before, where as the PS3 is an extremly over-priced system that only does what other systems do, only not as good :razz:

Botomline: The PS3 is and out and out bust, however there's still plenty of time for Sony to pull ahead and change things around.[/QUOTE]

You took my post a bit too personally; had I intended to be mean, I would have been.

Now, saying that "the PS3 is a bust" or emphasizing the factual nature of Sony being in third place at the moment is akin to saying that The Yankees have the World Series wrapped up after the first inning of game 1. "Premature" doesn't even *begin* to describe these sorts of claims.

We won't see a new home console for until Christmas 2008-2009 (and I hope longer than that, I'm just estimating), so we have a number of years to identify how things work. Who will have big titles in two years? Who will rule online in two years? Who will have exclusive titles in two years? Those are the kinds of questions that matter, and none of them can be reasonably answered when you have three consoles, two of which have been available at retail for 6 weeks or less. Let me repeat myself, premature doesn't begin to describe claims like "The PS3 is a bust."

Now, I have two questions for you: first, please explain to me why you find the PS3 to not just be overpriced, but extremely overpriced? You seem more reasonable than many of the people here, so I'd like to see your argument. Are you more of the "I won't pay that kind of money for a console" people, or one of the "for what it offers, the PS3 is too expensive" kinds of people? Perhaps a mixture of both?

Second, you claim that you don't think you should pay for BC in a system. Please do explain that to me; the manufacturer is paying for everything included in a console, whether a physical chip (PS3) or for programmers to emulate programs to work on newer consoles (360). It does, in fact, cost them money to make a system BC - so why would you demand that it cost nothing relative to the system? It's simple economics, in my opinion.
 
[quote name='Xevious']That's cold...comparing the Playstation 3 with party boy Bode Miller. Thats a low blow.[/QUOTE]

Id say its accurate.
 
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