Two kids I've known for years just commited a grisly murder 20 minutes from my house.

[quote name='rumblebear']Give them a break. They're young and naturally feel rebellious. The rebellious stage will pass. The right thing to do now is turn the other cheek and offer them forgiveness. Don't ruin their lives by locking them in prison. At worse they are victims of their society. If anyone deserves to be punished it should be their community, not them since they are simply the product of it. So again, they are still young kids and have potential to do great things in the future. Do not take their future away from them.[/QUOTE]


....

This is a joke post....right?

[quote name='Filler2001']THEY CUT OFF THE GIRLS fuckING TOES.

They don't deserve shit[/QUOTE]


Woah, what?! Link?
 
I agree with some other poster, death penalty needed in this scenario. There was no cause in the killing.

They can not be rehabilitated, nor do they deserve a second chance. Get rid of a little evil in this world. And I dont want them to be euthanized. We need a harsher type of death penalty for people like this.
 
I really, really wish I hadn't read this around bedtime. Man, this is so far beyond disgusting that it's unreal. Attacking an adult in such a heinous way is bad enough, but to do that to a little kid...all four of them should be executed, period.
 
Just heard more about the death penalty today. Apparently, the court is seriously considering. I'm almost considering going to this trial, if I can. I'm really curious to see what evidence they have linking them to the crime. I've also been contemplating what will happen if they're somehow found not guilty, but I suppose that's just me being paranoid. They probably have more than enough evidence.

[quote name='Filler2001']http://www.nowpublic.com/world/kimberly-lynn-cates-nurse-mom-killed-brutal-machete-attack I saw it on HLN originally but heres a link confirming it[/QUOTE]


Jesus fuck, that's the first I've heard of that.


Also, the media shitstorm has begun. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1203361. “Hack you and stab you is what Dexter is all about.” I swear to god, I have no idea how some of the journalists keep their jobs...
 
I'm always amazed at the fact that it seems to be extremely difficult for people to point the blame where it belongs: at the monsters who did this. It wasn't a television show, it wasn't a musician, it wasn't a video game; it was four people who are fucking twisted.
 
If they were given life in prison, they'd just join a gang and spread their terror

Nah....they need to be analyized by doctors so they can study their minds and shit....and then killed.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']Nah....they need to be analyized by doctors so they can study their minds and shit....and then killed.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. I don't see this as anything more than recalling a broken product. Take a look to see what's wrong with it, learn from mistakes, then dispose of it.
 
Which is exactly what the person who wanted lenience was forgetting. You can give leniency to a robbing in some cases, maybe even a kidnapping. But you can't ever expect lenience from taking the life of another human being, almost 2
 
Fry 'em, inject 'em, shoot 'em. Don't really care. These people, should they be found guilty, do not deserve to live.
 
fuck that i saw the news coverage on this today and they mentioned how they sawed off somones toes. fuck em if they dont get executed i can only hoe they get tortured to hell in prison they deserve it. i hope the 2 that cut the deal get theirs to. it really bugs me that someone can be so disconnected as to do that to someone and then get away with it. i dont care if they did anything or not they were there too and should be punished just as severely.
 
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Wow. This is terrible. I'm still surprised that a lot of the ones I graduated with could even break into homes and vandalize and steal. I couldn't imagine knowing that some of the people that I knew could engage in such a senseless act.
 
Those of you advocating punishment are bringing yourselves to the killer's level. Remember, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". We need to show we are better than that by turning the other cheek and offer the killers forgiveness. We also need to empathize with them, provide understanding and give them support so they can grow into productive citizens in our society. Locking or executing them would only rob them of whatever great potentials that are in store for them. Show our society is better by setting them free and nurture them.
 
[quote name='rumblebear']Those of you advocating punishment are bringing yourselves to the killer's level. Remember, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". We need to show we are better than that by turning the other cheek and offer the killers forgiveness. We also need to empathize with them, provide understanding and give them support so they can grow into productive citizens in our society. Locking or executing them would only rob them of whatever great potentials that are in store for them. Show our society is better by setting them free and nurture them.[/QUOTE]


are you being serious or are you just talking out of your ass? they tortured and killed a woman and her kid they showed their potential and now they should killed for their actions. its that kind of attitude that causes shit like this to continue to happen more and more. people know they can get away with murder and not face any kind of matching punishment for it. yeah executing them wont change what they did but it will assure that they can never do it again likewise maybe anyone else tempted to do so will think twice before acting in such a manner.

btw if someone did to your wife and daughter what was done to those two i seriously doubt youd be wanting to turn the other cheek. wha about that little girl? if she survives she will have to live what that expereince everyday and on top of that 2 f the people there could be walking around in the same town with her
would you ask her to turn the other chee as those animals who attacked her and her mom while hey slept walk around free?

there are 3 crimes i feel deserve the death penalty murder , rape and child molestation these are unforgivable crimes and those who commit them often do so repeatedly so to help keep everyone safe and to save the govt money on life long prison sentences kill them all and let the lord and the devil sort it out later.
 
Someone isnt alive anymore because of them.

I understand repentance can help in ALMOST any situation, but death can't be undone.

Like I said earlier, they dont deserve shit
 
[quote name='rumblebear']Those of you advocating punishment are bringing yourselves to the killer's level. Remember, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". We need to show we are better than that by turning the other cheek and offer the killers forgiveness. We also need to empathize with them, provide understanding and give them support so they can grow into productive citizens in our society. Locking or executing them would only rob them of whatever great potentials that are in store for them. Show our society is better by setting them free and nurture them.[/QUOTE]


rumblebear, I'm curious, in that fucked up little world of yours, exactly what kind of crime does constitute jail time?
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']rumblebear, I'm curious, in that fucked up little world of yours, exactly what kind of crime does constitute jail time?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he's just trolling. No one can possibly be that stupid.
 
[quote name='rumblebear']Those of you advocating punishment are bringing yourselves to the killer's level. Remember, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". We need to show we are better than that by turning the other cheek and offer the killers forgiveness. We also need to empathize with them, provide understanding and give them support so they can grow into productive citizens in our society. Locking or executing them would only rob them of whatever great potentials that are in store for them. Show our society is better by setting them free and nurture them.[/QUOTE]

So if i cut off your little brother's or sister's toes and killed your mom and dad by cutting their arms off and letting them bleed out. You would be fine with that?
 
I think he was advocating life in prison instead of the death penalty and I could understand that.

Personally in my fucked up little world, the only crime that would consider jail time is jay-walking... Goddamned Jay Walkers... Grr....

Anyway there was a movie about this.

strangers_ver4.jpg
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw']Anyway there was a movie about this.[/QUOTE]


And it's much scarier now that it's happened 15-20 minutes from my house. That little tagline at the end is especially creepy, considering it's almost identical to the attitudes of the accused in this case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lm2hZ50sN4
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']This movie is much scarier now that it's happened 15-20 minutes from my house. That little tagline at the end is especially creepy, considering it's almost identical to the attitudes of the accused in this case.

[/QUOTE]

Dude. Get over it. The Strangers itself was inspired by a true story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keddie_Murders

Those guys have been caught. The odds that another bunch of crazies is going to break into your house are astronomically high. You're more likely to die tomorrow in the car ride to school. I don't see you shitting a brick about that. Why? Because it's a fucking mundane way to die. Get over it. Keep working on your scripts and learn how to work out flashbacks. The Kung-Fu Panda script is a great place to figure out how to do it.

In the case mentioned in the Wikipedia link, they never even caught the murderers. That is what terrifies me.

Odds of being killed sometime in the next year in any sort of transportation accident: 77 to 1
Odds of fatally slipping in bath or shower: 2,232 to 1
Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1
Odds of getting away with murder: 2 to 1

On April 11th, 1981, in a small resort cabin nestled in the Hills of northern California, a triple murder took place so horrific it still haunts the area to this day.

That morning around 9:00a.m., Sheila Sharp, who had stayed the night at a neighbor’s house not more than 15 feet away, walked through her front door, not knowing what she was about to see would change her life forever. Directly inside, on the floor, were her 16 year old brother, John Sharp, and his 17 year old friend, Dana Wingate. Both were bound hand and foot, stabbed, and hammered to death. There was blood on every surface of the cabin. On the blood-soaked couch was her mother, Sue Sharp, also murdered in the same brutal fashion. Amazingly, her 2 younger brothers and a friend were in a back bedroom, untouched. However, her younger sister, Tina, was missing.

The walls had cuts on them, the furniture was busted up, and the victims were beaten. However, no one seemed to hear anything that night. The case quickly grew cold, and rumors of the town being haunted hurt the community so deeply it eventually became a ghost town, with only a hand full of residence living there today.

To this day, the case remains unsolved.
 
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[quote name='rickshankshaw']Dude. Get over it. The Strangers itself was inspired by a true story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keddie_Murders

Those guys have been caught. The odds that another bunch of crazies is going to break into your house are astronomically high. You're more likely to die tomorrow in the car ride to school. I don't see you shitting a brick about that. Why? Because it's a fucking mundane way to die. Get over it.[/QUOTE]


Alright, relax, I didn't say I thought it was going to happen again. I already stated we won't be due for any more fucked up shit for a while. All I meant by it is that The Strangers just seems much more real to me now, and the "because you were home" tagline that once seemed like standard Hollywood dramatization is infinitely more effective considering that's the exact reason these four kids had for doing this.

I really wish I haden't needed to explain that; now it seems like I'm bastardizing the situation by comparing it to a movie.
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']Alright, relax, I didn't say I thought it was going to happen again. I already stated we won't be due for any more fucked up shit for a while. All I meant by it is that The Strangers just seems much more real to me now, and the "because you were home" tagline that once seemed like standard Hollywood dramatization is infinitely more effective considering that's the exact reason these four kids had for doing this.

I really wish I haden't needed to explain that; now it seems like I'm bastardizing the situation by comparing it to a movie.[/QUOTE]

Relax? Why wouldn't I be relaxed? ;)

I'm just saying you're harping on the fact "it coulda been me!!" when there are numerous other ways for you to die that are a much more likely cause for concern.

And I'm right.
 
rick you aren't right. This isn't a definite black and white thing. There is no right and wrong.

A few towns away from me on thursday night had a completely random violent act.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/raynham/...-Locust-Street-house-hit-in-drive-by-shooting

That's a quiet town there is never anything like this going on there. Just randomly some people decide to shoot up a random house.

Yes, there are numerous other ways he could die but, also, yes it could have been him.

It seems these" crazy" crimes are on the rise. People are losing it.
 
[quote name='HowStern']rick you aren't right. This isn't a definite black and white thing. There is no right and wrong.[/QUOTE]

I would just like to add that rick is only right when it IS a black thing. The white thing, I'm not so sure. :)
 
[quote name='HowStern']rick you aren't right. This isn't a definite black and white thing. There is no right and wrong.

A few towns away from me on thursday night had a completely random violent act.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/raynham/...-Locust-Street-house-hit-in-drive-by-shooting

That's a quiet town there is never anything like this going on there. Just randomly some people decide to shoot up a random house.

Yes, there are numerous other ways he could die but, also, yes it could have been him.

It seems these" crazy" crimes are on the rise. People are losing it.[/QUOTE]

I think the crazy crimes aren't on the rise. If they were school shootings would be happening every other week. However robberies, murders, and the like will be on the rise because of the economy.

Stuff like this is random. But it's certainly not on the rise. I can guarantee when Charles Manson did what he did, people were saying the same thing you are now.
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw']I think the crazy crimes aren't on the rise. If they were school shootings would be happening every other week. However robberies, murders, and the like will be on the rise because of the economy.

Stuff like this is random. But it's certainly not on the rise. I can guarantee when Charles Manson did what he did, people were saying the same thing you are now.[/QUOTE]

And they would have been right, during the 60's we had not only the Manson murders but the zodiac killer, and the boston strangler. And it continued to rise into the 70's with Bundy, Berkowitz, and Gacy.

It was a decade of psychos. People losing it one after the other.

Thank god these kids got caught the first time. It's a shame it happened at all.
 
[quote name='HowStern']rick you aren't right. This isn't a definite black and white thing. There is no right and wrong.

A few towns away from me on thursday night had a completely random violent act.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/raynham/...-Locust-Street-house-hit-in-drive-by-shooting

That's a quiet town there is never anything like this going on there. Just randomly some people decide to shoot up a random house.

Yes, there are numerous other ways he could die but, also, yes it could have been him.

It seems these" crazy" crimes are on the rise. People are losing it.[/QUOTE]


Yes, but it's careful to not over dramatize them and think they're common events and we're all at high risk etc.

That's how stupid laws get put in place that end up going too far and incarcerating too many people for too long and over crowding prisons, sticking more peopel with the ex-con level which probably increases future offending more than the penalties prevent other crimes etc.

One should be careful and protect themselves, but it's dangerous to make to much of an uproar over one heinous crime or we end up with crap like Megan's law and three strikes laws which have lots of collateral consequences and are hard to get off the books even once all the problems with them are readily apparent as few politicians want to vote to repeal them for fear of looking "soft" on crime and losing votes.
 
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^yeah, I absolutely believe every crime should e treated individually. I hate the blanket laws and the system abuse that comes with them.

I was just pointing out they could, indeed, have picked sofa's house and so he's reasonably shook up over the incident.

It seems like these things happen in waves. I think it's because of the tough economic times people are losing it. 3 times in the past week I've heard 3 different stories about fast food employees being assaulted over wrong orders. heh heh :)
 
“In Arizona, we consider Juggalos a gang,” Vasey said.
I didn't even know there was a fan base here to begin with. What do they do for their Faygo fix!? :roll:

No surprise that JT is trying to get his name out there, he just loves to exploit tragedies. He is now a "controversial culture critic." :lol:
 
To blame any sort of media is absurd. 3 out 4 of these people were legally, adults.

[quote name='Sofa King Kool']Jack fucktard Thompson is officially involved: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091016/NEWS01/910169998

At least they're blaming Insane Clown Posse instead of something good.[/QUOTE]

Honestly I don't care who gets involved as long as these monsters get what they deserve.
namely, the death penalty
 
[quote name='DQT']To blame any sort of media is absurd. 3 out 4 of these people were legally, adults.



Honestly I don't care who gets involved as long as these monsters get what they deserve.
namely, the death penalty
[/QUOTE]

They're not monsters.
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw']Dude. Get over it. The Strangers itself was inspired by a true story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keddie_Murders[/QUOTE]


Why don't you read your own source? The Strangers was not inspired by the Keddie murders.

There was speculation that the crime may have been an inspiration for the 2008 horror film The Strangers.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strangers

According to production notes,[5] the film was inspired by true events from director Bryan Bertino's childhood: a stranger came to his home asking for someone who was not there, and Bertino later found out that empty homes in the neighborhood had been broken into that night.[6] In interviews, Bertino stated he was "very impressed" with some of the theories circulating on the Internet about the "true events" the movie is allegedly based on, but said his main inspiration was from the true crime book Helter Skelter; some have speculated that the film was also inspired by the Keddie Cabin Murders of 1981 that occurred in a small vacation community in California's Sierra Nevada Mountains.[7][8]
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[quote name='DQT']To blame any sort of media is absurd. 3 out 4 of these people were legally, adults.



Honestly I don't care who gets involved as long as these monsters get what they deserve.
namely, the death penalty
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In NH, 17 qualifies as an adult, so they were all adults.

...aaand unfortunately, death penalty is no longer being considered.
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']In NH, 17 qualifies as an adult, so they were all adults.

...aaand unfortunately, death penalty is no longer being considered.[/QUOTE]

WTF? Why not?
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']WTF? Why not?[/QUOTE]


I'm not really sure. Someone told me it was because the crime didn't quite "fit the requirements," but that came from a completely unreliable source so it's just a guess at this point.
 
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