US now lagging behind Mexico, Mexico: 'SI' to gay civil union

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MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Mexico City's assembly on Thursday passed legislation to legally recognize gay civil unions in the capital, the first such vote by a legislative body in the history of the conservative, predominantly Roman Catholic country.

Mexico City Mayor Alejandro Encinas has spoken in favor of the bill and was expected to sign it into law, while at least one conservative non-governmental group said it was considering seeking a court injunction against the measure.

The bill, which would not approve gay marriage, allows same-sex couples to register their union with civil authorities, granting them inheritance rights and other benefits typically given to spouses. Heterosexual couples who are not legally married can also be registered under the bill.

"This law ... does not require anyone else to change their thinking, nor does it hurt the concept of the nuclear family," said legislator Juan Bustos of the left-leaning Democratic Revolution Party, or PRD, which has pushed for the law in the capital for years.

The bill has been severely criticized by the Catholic Church and conservative civil groups in the country, which is 90 percent Roman Catholic. The Mexican Council of Bishops has said the law is the first step toward legalizing gay marriage and adoption by gays, while the conservative National Parents Union has characterized it as "aberrant."

While homosexuality is still taboo in many rural parts of Latin America, the region's urban areas are becoming more tolerant. If the law is enacted, Mexico City will join the ranks of the Argentine capital, Buenos Aires, and the southern Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul, which already have approved civil unions.

At the national level, lawmakers in Costa Rica and Colombia have debated, but not passed, similar measures.
Law voted 43-17

The Mexico City assembly passed the measure by a vote of 43-17, with all the opposition coming from the conservative National Action Party of President Vicente Fox and President-elect Felipe Calderon. The party is known for its opposition to abortion and support for traditional families.

PAN lawmaker Paula Adriana Soto said the law simply "conceals a marriage between people of the same sex," which is prohibited by Mexico City civil law.

Mexico City, with a population of 8.7 million, is a federal district similar to Washington, D.C., with its own legislature. The PRD dominates the assembly, which is the first in Mexico to approve such a law.

Legislators in the northern Mexican state of Coahuila on the Texas border introduced a similar bill this week.

As the debate over the bill took place Thursday, groups both in favor and against the measure rallied outside the legislative building, hurling insults at each other.

Jorge Serrano, of the National Pro-Life Committee, said his group would consider seeking a court injunction in the next few days to prevent the legislation from going into effect.

"This is really something sad for our country and it is a direct attempt against the family, because it constitutes the legalization of homosexuality and obviously it is going to lead to an increase in this social wrong," Serrano told The Associated Press.

Tito Vasconcelos, one of Mexico City's leading gay activists, said the law represents "Mexico's entrance into the first world of democracy, along with other countries that recognize this type of union."

Elsewhere on Thursday, a parliamentary committee approved proposals for same-sex marriages in South Africa, clearing the way for the passage of legislation there.

The Netherlands, Canada, Belgium and Spain have legalized same-sex marriage, while several other European countries have laws giving same-sex couples the right to form legally binding civil partnerships. In the U.S., only the state of Massachusetts allows gay marriage, while Vermont and Connecticut permit civil unions.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/11/10/mexico.gay.ap/index.html


I know this is just Mexico City, but how are we behind Mexico in civil rights' issues. This is like how Brazil is completly non dependent on foreign oil, while we are chuggin away.
 
It's America's plan.

All the USA's gays go to Mexico and then all the people from Mexico come to the USA and vote for the Democrats.
 
We need to legalize this already, pursuit of happiness and all. Its not a big fucking deal America. Last I read 3-4% of Americans are homosexual. I would be that maybe half of them want to get married. Its such a small number that doesn't affect your life in any way.
 
Its cool and all that Mexico is doing this, but it seems to me that they're doing it make a laughing stock of the US. Honestly, I would enter into a civil union with my partner if it were allowed. But in VA they passed it Tues that marriage is one woman one man. fuck that. There are more important issues than who is sleeping with who.
 
Gay civil-unions are legal in Vermont. SSMs are legal in Massachusets. This is a state by state issue with a number of US states having recently voted on clearly defined legislature which will not recognize SSM as a legal marriage by that states' constitution.


But look, if two men or women want to a SSM, then go get one at the institution of your choice. There are churches which perform these ceremonies. No one will stop you. However, the union won't be recognized by the state or government. So these relationships are not granted the benefits which tradtional marriages aree.

Fair? eh.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']We need to legalize this already, pursuit of happiness and all. Its not a big fucking deal America. Last I read 3-4% of Americans are homosexual. I would be that maybe half of them want to get married. Its such a small number that doesn't affect your life in any way.[/QUOTE]

Actually, there are varying numbers claimed for homosexuals in the American population. Pro-homosexual groups have claimed as high as 10%, and I've seen numbers as low as under 1%. Of course, most of these numbers do not come from anything close to an unbiased source.

I have found, however, a study from what looks to be an unbiased source:

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/941013/sex.shtml
Depending on how the question is asked, people have a variety of responses on their sexual preferences. Five percent of men report having had a sexual encounter with another man as an adult, while 2.8 percent say they are homosexual or bisexual. Four percent of women report having had a sexual encounter with another woman as an adult, while 1.5 percent say they are homosexual or bisexual.

So there you go, 2.8% of men and 1.5% of women, which also includes bisexuals along with homosexuals. So overall about 2.1% of the population.
 
It's not a state by state thing, that's just what the dumbasses say when they don't have a fucking clue what they are talknig about.

Marriage is a federal thing, there are federal benifits to marriage that same sex coubles in Mass still don't get. Marriage is not a local issue, it's not a state issue, it's a federal issue and all states right now should have gay marriage because Mass does. But why the hell would we want to follow the fucking Constitution?!
 
[quote name='David85']It's not a state by state thing, that's just what the dumbasses say when they don't have a fucking clue what they are talknig about.

Marriage is a federal thing, there are federal benifits to marriage that same sex coubles in Mass still don't get. Marriage is not a local issue, it's not a state issue, it's a federal issue and all states right now should have gay marriage because Mass does. But why the hell would we want to follow the fucking Constitution?![/QUOTE]

I'm still failing to see how we're now lagging behind Mexico.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I'm still failing to see how we're now lagging behind Mexico.[/quote]

Because a country with the economy of a small American grocery store has the balls to tell their gay and bi (and "commonlaw") citizens that they're not second class anymore and one of the greatest countries in the world still has a military that considers being gay a disorder.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I'm still failing to see how we're now lagging behind Mexico.[/QUOTE]

Ditto. There's no basis for it.

Skewered subject lines like this are annoying.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I'm still failing to see how we're now lagging behind Mexico.[/QUOTE]

Ditto. There's no basis for it, it's just a "taunting" subject line.

And for christsake, when people post these articles can they at least say something about it rather than just throw it up as soon as they can so they can say they were the ones that posted it? We get a lengthy cut-and-paste with a throwaway comment tacked on the end. I can read news websites on my own.
 
[quote name='Giant Robo']Because a country with the economy of a small American grocery store has the balls to tell their gay and bi (and "commonlaw") citizens that they're not second class anymore and one of the greatest countries in the world still has a military that considers being gay a disorder.[/QUOTE]

One city in Mexico did. Not the entire country. Again, tell me how this is more advanced than us.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']One city in Mexico did. Not the entire country. Again, tell me how this is more advanced than us.[/quote]

I guess if you see social progression as an advancement you might see it my way but if you don't, then of course, you would prefer to maintain things the way they are because allowing for gay couples to have similar rights as their straight counterparts isn't very important.
 
[quote name='Giant Robo']I guess if you see social progression as an advancement you might see it my way but if you don't, then of course, you would prefer to maintain things the way they are because allowing for gay couples to have similar rights as their straight counterparts isn't very important.[/QUOTE]

All I'm asking is this, and all you have to answer is yes or no:

Is Mexico City greater than Vermont, Conneticut, Kalifornia, DC, New York City and (for the time being) New Jersey?

I already know the answer, I just want you to say it.

(NYC doesn't allow the creation of civil unions, but it recognizes them if you move there)

Also, Hawaii and Maine have most of the benefits.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']All I'm asking is this, and all you have to answer is yes or no:

Is Mexico City greater than Vermont, Conneticut, Kalifornia, DC, New York City and (for the time being) New Jersey?

I already know the answer, I just want you to say it.

(NYC doesn't allow the creation of civil unions, but it recognizes them if you move there)

Also, Hawaii and Maine have most of the benefits.[/quote]

First of all I don't have to answer yes or no questions.

Secondly, they apparently are less progressive on the issue of gay marriage, and in my opinion, lagging behind in terms of providing their gay and bi citizens with the right to engage in a civil union.

What kind of question is: "Is Mexico City better than Vermont"?
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']All I'm asking is this, and all you have to answer is yes or no:

Is Mexico City greater than Vermont, Conneticut, Kalifornia, DC, New York City and (for the time being) New Jersey?

I already know the answer, I just want you to say it.

(NYC doesn't allow the creation of civil unions, but it recognizes them if you move there)

Also, Hawaii and Maine have most of the benefits.[/quote]

First of all, I don't have to answer yes or no questions.

Secondly what kind of question is, "Is Mexico City better than Vermont"?
 
[quote name='Giant Robo']First of all, I don't have to answer yes or no questions.

Secondly what kind of question is, "Is Mexico City better than Vermont"?[/QUOTE]

The OP is trying to make incendiary statements, and you're buying into it. Mexico's capital passed a civil union law. Whoopee, we already have three states that do the same thing. We have four other states and the District that provide for most of the benefits.

You and the OP are making it seem that Mexico has a better grasp on same-sex relations when it was one whole city that passed the ordinance (which is being fought).

And lastly, I never said better. I said greater. As in, is three states greater than, equal to, or less than one city?
 
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