US Senate fails to ratify UN treaty on disabilities

[quote name='Spokker']I cherry picked nothing. I have shown you hard facts that over 70% of Kenya's population lives in rural areas and that 50% of the population lives in poverty. Your ignorance of Kenya causes you to post a picture of a downtown area that does not represent the way the majority of Kenyans live. You would know that even the Wikipedia article on Kenya touches on this fact had you visited the page to pretend you know anything about Africa.



You got mislead. I wonder what hurts Kenya more, my "racism" against Kenyans or the country's government overreach in agriculture and public sector corruption.[/QUOTE]

I am not ignorant of Kenya - I wasn't the one who said it consists of nothing but crazy dictators in palaces and mud huts.
[quote name='Spokker']I'll say it proudly from the rooftops, KENYANS LIVE IN MUD HUTS.[/QUOTE]
That's you buddy boy.

Yeah Kenya has issues with poverty, but it also has cities. One of my friends went there to work on building an IT infrastructure for the govt, and he isn't living in a mud hut, and neither are the Kenyans he works with. They are more similar to you and me then you might think. Why can't they have protections for handicapped friends and family, same as you and me? Because they were born in Kenya? Because ignorant racists like you think they live in mud huts? Why?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So just ignore him entirely, and he'll go slinking back to the "Dr. Thunder: Great Drink or Greatest Drink?" forums.[/QUOTE]

gotta love the zingers :D
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Well, at least they'll have wheelchair ramps and the paper towel dispensers will be 54" off the ground.[/QUOTE]

The ADA does more harm than good anyway. Here's a telling study from MIT.

http://economics.mit.edu/files/17

The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requires employers to accommodate disabled workers and outlaws discrimination against the
disabled in hiring, firing, and pay. Although the ADA was meant to
increase the employment of the disabled, the net theoretical effects
are ambiguous. For men of all working ages and women under 40,
Current Population Survey data show a sharp drop in the employment
of disabled workers after the ADA went into effect. Although the
number of disabled individuals receiving disability transfers increased
at the same time, the decline in employment of the disabled does not
appear to be explained by increasing transfers alone, leaving the ADA
as a likely cause. Consistent with this view, the effects of the ADA
appear larger in medium-size firms, possibly because small firms were
exempt from the ADA. The effects are also larger in states with more
ADA-related discrimination charges.
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Dare I say, the ADA could have made the disabled more disabled. What do people think will happen when the government plays around with the incentives in this way? And then guys like Tom "Champion of the ADA" Harkin are running around wondering why 2 out of 3 disabled persons are out of work.
 
[quote name='camoor']I am not ignorant of Kenya - I wasn't the one who said it consists of nothing but crazy dictators in palaces and mud huts.[/QUOTE]
If we were each shown photos of random samples of Kenyans, and asked to guess where they live and what they do for a living, if you said an urban building working in a white or blue collar job, you would be right less than 30% of the time. And if I said a wooden shack or a mud hut in the boondocks working in agriculture, I would be right over 70% of the time. The photograph you posted is an exception to the rule.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']It was only a 2 week suspension so I'm back now. I'm not entirely sure what happened was worth even a 2 week suspension but still it's been made clear that certain members of this forum are immediately running to mods when their feelings are hurt so I'll just refrain from interacting with said member.

The funny thing is that this person will dole out personal insults on their own with absolutely no recourse. I could go down the road of "well, he better watch what he posts now" and give him the same tattletale treatment but I'm not going to stoop to that level. At the end of the day, this is an internet forum and people making insults toward me, or others, doesn't really register as anything more than an annoyance.[/QUOTE]

No, it's pretty evident (and ironically hilarious) that he's protected by some of the mods here. I trust Casey, but can't speak to the others. Like I said before, dohdough can get really heavyhanded with personal insults - but for you to get 2 weeks and Bob to get none is deeply inconsistent and inequitable.

Clearly UncleBob is able to hide behind the schoolmarm and stick his tongue out and make funny faces, while he is also crying that other people are teasing him. I'm not cool with preferential treatment (what lesson do you learn about treating others respectably on a website if enforcement is inconsistent?), so between that and Bob's utter inability to carry on a discussion, he's been relegated to my ignore pile again.
 
If you have issues with the moderation here, take it up with Cheapy or leave. Or sit there and complain about it.

There is nothing that I've done or said on this forum that even remotely equates to making blanket accusations accusing someone here of committing sexual assault on underage children. For anyone on here to even try to make that connection - well, it goes a long way towards showing off how your mind works and how out of touch with reality you are.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']No, it's pretty evident (and ironically hilarious) that he's protected by some of the mods here. I trust Casey, but can't speak to the others. Like I said before, dohdough can get really heavyhanded with personal insults - but for you to get 2 weeks and Bob to get none is deeply inconsistent and inequitable.

Clearly UncleBob is able to hide behind the schoolmarm and stick his tongue out and make funny faces, while he is also crying that other people are teasing him. I'm not cool with preferential treatment (what lesson do you learn about treating others respectably on a website if enforcement is inconsistent?), so between that and Bob's utter inability to carry on a discussion, he's been relegated to my ignore pile again.[/QUOTE]

I'm fairly certain I know which mod did the banning and to say that this mod has a checkered past would be a bit of an understatement. I won't go into specifics on the open forum, though, so as not to invite further retaliation.

I have no idea if my banning was because of favoritism or just plain over-moderation but the statement that got me banned was clearly not any type of actual accusation or insult. It was no different than say, calling you a racist with no foundation, just for an example... Hell, what I said was far less innocuous than one would hear during a 10 minute Call of Duty match on Xbox Live.

At any rate, it was a valuable lesson in that clearly there is nothing to be gained by interacting with certain members of this forum and I'll be utilizing my ignore for said person as well.
 
Right. You can try to hold a conversation with them and they dodge, namecall, and cause trouble. The moment you stoop to their level, they run off screaming to mummy.

So high five to that, and good riddance to bad waste. He may not be banned, but I'm looking forward to treating him as if he were. Might as well be PittsburghAfterDark as far as I'm concerned.

:lol:

So, yes, back to all this "mud huts" and "I'm not racist despite my teeming ethnocentrism" banter from spokker and gbastar. You guys may not be *deliberately* racist, but your conversation certainly is. Please don't double down on stupidity, guys.
 
I've been saying for ages that everyone needs to ignore the trolls rather than entertaining them and then bitching about how they don't even try to debate. Even if that doesn't cause them to leave, at least threads aren't getting pulled off topic with people arguing over the stupid points they try make and straw men they constantly throw out.
 
Ignore? I thought you preferred to launch personal attacks based on the professions of those you deem to be trolls.

Oh well, we'll see how long the same folks will do the same song and dance they often do until they go back to the usual MO.
 
It was total bullshit that RvB got suspended. Usually offending posts are edited or pulled, but the posts are still up and bob should've been put on a time out for trolling if me and RvB were suspended for those posts. bob is far from a victim in the matter.

I could understand if it was just me that got suspended because I have a history, but it makes absolutely no sense for a first time offender.

On the brightside, I finally started playing FF13 and am enjoying it, so fuck the haters(of FF13). The Paradigm system is pretty cool for a noob JRPG'r like me. Can't wait to start FF13-X2.
 
If the offending posts are still up, care to link to them?

Welcome back. FF13 is pretty good. Want to play through it again so I can play FFXIII. Truth be told, I'd much rather be able to play FFXII on a current gen console. Damn that was one fine game.

Let's agree on a simple set of rules:
1) Do not talk directly to Bob.
2) Do not quote Bob
3) Do not respond to a post of Bob's.
4) Feel free to talk about Bob, but only in past tense.
5) Refer back to rules #1 and 2 at all times.
 
Agreed. Especially to number 2. Anyone that keeps arguing with him and quoting him all the time (looking at you dohdough!) will get a spot next to him on my ignore list. Wish CAG's software had it like some other forums where quoted posts of ignored members still get blocked.
 
[quote name='dohdough']It was total bullshit that RvB got suspended. Usually offending posts are edited or pulled, but the posts are still up and bob should've been put on a time out for trolling if me and RvB were suspended for those posts. bob is far from a victim in the matter.

I could understand if it was just me that got suspended because I have a history, but it makes absolutely no sense for a first time offender.

On the brightside, I finally started playing FF13 and am enjoying it, so fuck the haters(of FF13). The Paradigm system is pretty cool for a noob JRPG'r like me. Can't wait to start FF13-X2.[/QUOTE]
In both of our cases, I think a penalty less severe than 2 weeks would have sufficed. A 24-48 hour banning would clearly have sent a message, 2 weeks is just plain excessive for both of us. Like I said though, at least I can take away from the whole ordeal that there are certain people who just can't cut it in the VS. forum and they just aren't worth interacting with.
[quote name='mykevermin']If the offending posts are still up, care to link to them?

Welcome back. FF13 is pretty good. Want to play through it again so I can play FFXIII. Truth be told, I'd much rather be able to play FFXII on a current gen console. Damn that was one fine game.

Let's agree on a simple set of rules:
1) Do not talk directly to Bob.
2) Do not quote Bob
3) Do not respond to a post of Bob's.
4) Feel free to talk about Bob, but only in past tense.
5) Refer back to rules #1 and 2 at all times.[/QUOTE]

It was basically the entire first page of that Real Welfare Queens NFL thread you posted. I know it had to be that one because it was basically the only posts I had made in that time period leading up to the banning. The ironic thing is my original post was in direct response to a baseless insinuation/insult itself...
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Ignore? I thought you preferred to launch personal attacks based on the professions of those you deem to be trolls.

Oh well, we'll see how long the same folks will do the same song and dance they often do until they go back to the usual MO.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='UncleBob']Yes, yes - the individual who's job is all about his ability to get free taxpayer money handed out from the government likes to defend government handouts. We all know that.[/QUOTE]

Yep.

EDIT: Broke some of the rules almost immediately, I don't care. There aren't a lot of libertarians/conservatives in these forums to begin with, it doesn't make sense to flush the few that are here.
 
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Yes, I responded to him in kind. In virtually all cases where I make a personal attack, it is most generally in direct reply and in kind to a previous post directed at me or another member.

[quote name='dmaul1114']You know who we back, and who anti-intellectual retail lackeys will side with.[/QUOTE]

Besides, I thought government spending was what so many of you wanted - seems like you'd think that would be a complement.
 
[quote name='IRHari']EDIT: Broke some of the rules almost immediately, I don't care. There aren't a lot of libertarians/conservatives in these forums to begin with, it doesn't make sense to flush the few that are here.[/QUOTE]

I see that a number of people agree with the rules in principle.

It has nothing to do with what Bob thinks he believes, and everything to do with how he universally and singlehandedly ruins conversations in vs.

Don't exalt him as a libertarian or conservative, because he has no principles to stand on. He exists, as I've said, solely to be an irritant. Follow the rules for the vs forum and the people who discuss ideas here; please don't be selfish about it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I see that a number of people agree with the rules in principle.

It has nothing to do with what Bob thinks he believes, and everything to do with how he universally and singlehandedly ruins conversations in vs.

Don't exalt him as a libertarian or conservative, because he has no principles to stand on. He exists, as I've said, solely to be an irritant. Follow the rules for the vs forum and the people who discuss ideas here; please don't be selfish about it.[/QUOTE]
Who are you to make the rules? The Queen of Scotland?:lol:
 
Now I ruin conversations? All by myself?

It takes two to tango. And I'm not the one who constantly makes every thread about race, turns everything into a personal insult or attack, can't post a message without cursing, flaming and name calling. Oh, hey, who is it that decided to make this individual thread all about me instead of the original topic? Let's see...
 
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If a country has to ratify the treaty through the UN for it to become active in their own nation, why not just have them make their own individual version like we already have, bypassing the UN altogether?

Why go through the UN?
 
[quote name='ID2006']If a country has to ratify the treaty through the UN for it to become active in their own nation, why not just have them make their own individual version like we already have, bypassing the UN altogether?

Why go through the UN?[/QUOTE]

I can think of two reasons.

1. Have you ever gone to another country for business or pleasure? I'd venture that most of us have. I want there to be countries out there that have regulations protecting the rights of physically disabled Americans, same as their rights are protected here in the states

2. The UN is largely symbolic, but maybe by getting a collective agreement in the UN we can get more countries on-board with progressive forward-thinking policy.

Just my two cents...
 
[quote name='camoor']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjvQFtlNQ-M[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='Clak']You have absolutely no room to talk about being in touch with reality.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='cancerman1120']^Good to see you back.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='Msut77']If it sticks it will be like a christmas miracle.[/QUOTE]

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It's amazing how much the tough guy posse contributes.

6 posts in the last 20 or so and not a damn thing of worth among the lot. Can't even combine them to make a coherent paragraph.

If anything litters a thread it is the constant piggybacking of "yeah!" "That's right!" "We cool" "Insert funny picture... because it's the internet and I can".

I'm sure you guys have been bored to death without a loud voice to constantly hype up. Looks like with DD back you guys got an early Christmas present.

If you any of you (it seems to be the least educated of the bunch---or perhaps those that get frustrated the easiest) have to resort to name calling or the "I disagree... you're racist" tactic.. then by all means continue your childish games.

But it'd be nice for at least one of you to stay on topic. I've yet to read any posts that outline how:

A)Harm has been caused by the failure to ratify this treaty

B)Pressuring other countries to "behave like Americans" in regards to to the ADA is of the utmost important when they struggle with issues that we as American's can't even begin to grasp (i.e. famine, 3rd world poverty, disease, etc.)

C)Where does the money come from to make the necessary upgrades

D)This treaty is anything but a feel good measure and it accomplishes absolutely nothing...


I mean this is the type of shit (passed just a few months ago) that we are trying to get struggling countries on board with:

The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has issued a final
ruling on new accessibility standards under the Americans
with Disabilities Act (ADA), which pertains to automated
teller machines (ATMs). The Final Rule imposes new
standards for ATMs that include, but are not limited to
a voice guidance requirement, Braille signage and input
controls for visually-impaired individuals.
Diebold continually monitors these types of standards
and has designed and engineered the Opteva®
ATM line
to comply with these new standards.
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Not to mention there are ridiculous guidelines that define exactly how large the screen must be, color and size of the screen, height off the ground, size of the keypad, volume intensity, layout configuration and much more.

Furthermore the ATM regulations were just revised in 2010 but I guess we needed to spend time (and money) coming up with a new set of regulations in 2012

Not in compliance? Replace your ATM (going to be a profitable year for diebold).

And what makes this even more awesome is that of the 40 million or so American's that qualify for disability just 2% of those are restricted to wheelchairs.
 
[quote name='camoor']I can think of two reasons.

1. Have you ever gone to another country for business or pleasure? I'd venture that most of us have. I want there to be countries out there that have regulations protecting the rights of physically disabled Americans, same as their rights are protected here in the states

2. The UN is largely symbolic, but maybe by getting a collective agreement in the UN we can get more countries on-board with progressive forward-thinking policy.

Just my two cents...[/QUOTE]

Of complaints filed under the ADA, as of the end of March only 7.3% had anything to do with disabilities of the extremities such as paralysis or missing limbs. Blindness and deafness accounted for 6 percent of complaints. Back pain, conversely, made up almost a fifth of all cases while emotional and psychiatric impairments were 11.6 percent.

So much for the imagery of the Vietnam vet in a wheelchair [Sorry Bob Dole].
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Traditional disabilities are far outnumbered by this new breed. According to the National Organization on Disability, which commissioned the business poll, there are 49 million disabled Americans at any one time. (And naturally it represents the wishes of all of them.) Of these, fewer than 2 percent are in wheelchairs.
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It's nice to know that forward thinking foreign countries will become compliant with regulations that will make those suffering from back related injuries and emotional distress more comfortable during their visit...
 
So my welcoming back doh is somehow related to making an argument in this thread? Not sure what point you are trying to make.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']So my welcoming back doh is somehow related to making an argument in this thread? Not sure what point you are trying to make.[/QUOTE]

These posts have a flow similar to poetry. They usually run something like

A = POV from Side A
B = POV from Side B
A = Rebuttal from Side A
B = Rebuttal from Side B

C = lots herping
C = Some derping
C = Lots of hyping
C = not much typing (one liners)
C = insert .gif here
C = you're racist
 
[quote name='GBAstar']It's amazing how much the tough guy posse contributes.

6 posts in the last 20 or so and not a damn thing of worth among the lot. Can't even combine them to make a coherent paragraph.[/QUOTE]

But I'm the one who drags every conversation off topic. :D
 
[quote name='GBAstar']It's nice to know that forward thinking foreign countries will become compliant with regulations that will make those suffering from back related injuries and emotional distress more comfortable during their visit...[/QUOTE]

If there are not many complaints made to the ADA from physically disabled people then that means the policy is working! It means people with disabilities are getting the access they need in the good ol' US of A, and there aren't many that have a reason to complain. I know that's true around here where I live - we have adequate access and it really warms my heart.

Now - imagine what would happen if there was a worldwide equivalent to the ADA - then that would be truly interesting to see the types of complaints that rolled in, and how beneficial this legislation could be.

Also - how many Americans have issues with walking? It's not a good test to just count wheelchairs, you have to include crutches, prosthetic legs, a limp, motorized carts, basically any disability that impairs a person's ability to climb stairs. That's who we help with this legislation.

Finally I think it's disgraceful how you talk about our wounded veterans like Bob Dole. Here's a guy who sacrifices his body to fight for the USA and you spit on his attempt to get equal rights for physically disabled people around the world with your poncey 'sorry Bob Dole' fuck your false sympathy.
 
[quote name='camoor']If there are not many complaints made to the ADA from physically disabled people then that means the policy is working! It means people with disabilities are getting the access they need in the good ol' US of A, and there aren't many that have a reason to complain. I know that's true around here where I live - we have adequate access and it really warms my heart.

Now - imagine what would happen if there was a worldwide equivalent to the ADA - then that would be truly interesting to see the types of complaints that rolled in, and how beneficial this legislation could be.

Also - how many Americans have issues with walking? It's not a good test to just count wheelchairs, you have to include crutches, prosthetic legs, a limp, motorized carts, basically any disability that impairs a person's ability to climb stairs. That's who we help with this legislation.

Finally I think it's disgraceful how you talk about our wounded veterans like Bob Dole. Here's a guy who sacrifices his body to fight for the USA and you spit on his attempt to get equal rights for physically disabled people around the world with your poncey 'sorry Bob Dole' fuck your false sympathy.[/QUOTE]

No. My point was that when people think of who the ADA helps they think of wounded war veterans like Bob Dole when in fact most ADA complaints and lawsuits are by those suffering from back related injuries and emotional disorders...

...and diseases like alcoholism.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']6 posts in the last 20 or so and not a damn thing of worth among the lot. Can't even combine them to make a coherent paragraph.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='GBAstar']No. My point was that when people think of who the ADA helps they think of wounded war veterans like Bob Dole when in fact most ADA complaints and lawsuits are by those suffering from back related injuries and emotional disorders...

...and diseases like alcoholism.[/QUOTE]

No - that's who files the complaints. People aren't complaining about lack of accessibility so it must mean the legislation forcing businesses to account for accessibility isn't working? This has got to be some of the craziest backwards logic I have ever heard. You're not an educated man, are you ;)

The ADA already helped vets like Bob Dole because businesses construct buildings according to code instead of ignoring accessibility legislation and racking up fines later. Businesses are very serious about accessibility because it's a bitch to go back and figure out how to add ramps, elevators, etc after the fact.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']No. My point was that when people think of who the ADA helps they think of wounded war veterans like Bob Dole when in fact most ADA complaints and lawsuits are by those suffering from back related injuries and emotional disorders...

...and diseases like alcoholism.[/QUOTE]

Was that your point? Because I didn't see any facts or figures to back up your claim about ADA complaints and lawsuits.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Right. To paraphrase MC Hammer:

stop. data time.

Back up your claims, GBAStar.[/QUOTE]



According to the National Organization on Disability, which commissioned the business poll, there are 49 million disabled Americans at any one time. (And naturally it represents the wishes of all of them.) Of these, fewer than 2 percent are in wheelchairs.

Also...



The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) received a record 99,947 charges of employment discrimination in 2011, according to a report released today.

The agency's enforcement of Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) produced the highest increase in financial relief among all of the statutes. The administrative relief obtained for disability discrimination charges increased by almost 35.9 percent to $103.4 million compared to $76.1 million in 2010. Back ailments were the most frequently cited impairment under the ADA, followed by other orthopedic impairments, depression and diabetes.
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I appreciate that, GBAStar. Links next time, though? So we can peruse further than the slight quotes your provide.

The latter quote is only employment discrimination complaints - just one segment of what the ADA covers. So you're correct, but you omitted the context in a way that suggests deception. I'll presume, for now, that it was an unintentional omission.
 
[quote name='dohdough']It was total bullshit that RvB got suspended. Usually offending posts are edited or pulled, but the posts are still up and bob should've been put on a time out for trolling if me and RvB were suspended for those posts. bob is far from a victim in the matter.

I could understand if it was just me that got suspended because I have a history, but it makes absolutely no sense for a first time offender.

On the brightside, I finally started playing FF13 and am enjoying it, so fuck the haters(of FF13). The Paradigm system is pretty cool for a noob JRPG'r like me. Can't wait to start FF13-X2.[/QUOTE]

Welcome back dude! I felt like I needed to point out UB's bs with you gone, but I think I'm gonna go the myke and dmaul route and ignore him.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The latter quote is only employment discrimination complaints - just one segment of what the ADA covers. So you're correct, but you omitted the context in a way that suggests deception. I'll presume, for now, that it was an unintentional omission.[/QUOTE]

Obama tried being nice to these people for four years, it didn't work. Being progressive is the way to go - but you gotta play hardball dude.

Cruel to be kind.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Btw, thanks for the warm welcome back, guys!:grouphug:[/QUOTE]

It's vs so naturally we focus on vs-ing (and bs-ing)

FWIW I've always enjoyed reading your posts and I have learned alot from them. Glad it was just a temp ban
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I appreciate that, GBAStar. Links next time, though? So we can peruse further than the slight quotes your provide.

The latter quote is only employment discrimination complaints - just one segment of what the ADA covers. So you're correct, but you omitted the context in a way that suggests deception. I'll presume, for now, that it was an unintentional omission.[/QUOTE]

The story he quoted in both replies was published in 1995, about 3 years after the ADA was put into effect and:

No one yet knows how wide the definition of "disabled" will end up. It certainly is wide enough to include the obese. But to qualify you have to be really, really fat. If you just have a pot belly or thunder thighs you've got a lot of hard eating in front of you.
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[quote name='Cantatus']The story he quoted in both replies was published in 1995, about 3 years after the ADA was put into effect and:[/QUOTE]

Incorrect. This is from 2012.

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) received a record 99,947 charges of employment discrimination in 2011, according to a report released today.

The agency's enforcement of Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) produced the highest increase in financial relief among all of the statutes. The administrative relief obtained for disability discrimination charges increased by almost 35.9 percent to $103.4 million compared to $76.1 million in 2010. Back ailments were the most frequently cited impairment under the ADA, followed by other orthopedic impairments, depression and diabetes.
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http://www.mlive.com/jobs/index.ssf/2012/01/eeoc_says_it_received_a_record_number_of.html

Published: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 10:24 AM


Edit: So as you kindly pointed out the statistics in both 1995 and 2012 agree with each other. Again, as shown in both articles (1995 and 2012):

Back ailments were the most frequently cited impairment under the ADA, followed by other orthopedic impairments, depression and diabetes.
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Now I'm new at this... is this the spot where I throw out an insult?
 
[quote name='camoor']I can think of two reasons.

1. Have you ever gone to another country for business or pleasure? I'd venture that most of us have. I want there to be countries out there that have regulations protecting the rights of physically disabled Americans, same as their rights are protected here in the states

2. The UN is largely symbolic, but maybe by getting a collective agreement in the UN we can get more countries on-board with progressive forward-thinking policy.

Just my two cents...[/QUOTE]
One thing that comes to mind is that when I was in India I couldn't help but notice the curbs were quite a bit higher than one would be here in the US. Weren't a lot of access ramps molded into the sidewalks either, anyone in a wheelchair would be fucked.

-edit and welcome back doh!
 
[quote name='Clak']One thing that comes to mind is that when I was in India I couldn't help but notice the curbs were quite a bit higher than one would be here in the US. Weren't a lot of access ramps molded into the sidewalks either, anyone in a wheelchair would be fucked.[/QUOTE]


Yep. The 2% of all disabled american's would be fucked. I agree.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Yep. The 2% of all disabled american's would be fucked. I agree.[/QUOTE]
....sigh. Tell bob I said hi.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Incorrect. This is from 2012. [/quote]

Okay. That was the closest site I could find to the quote mykevermin was asking about. If you provide a quote from a source, you should really provide a link to it just for reasons like this.

However, your link says nothing about the percentage of people in wheelchairs and is word-for-word from the link I posted. According to a more recent source, the percentage is actually closer to about 6%, though I'm not sure why this matters, just providing more accurate information.

EDIT: This post and this post quote verbatim from the article I linked. So, where am I incorrect?

Now I'm new at this... is this the spot where I throw out an insult?
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*shrug* Don't expect me to stop you.
 
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