What a crock of shit: PS3 screws owners of older HDTVs
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[quote name='Goronmon']From what I have read, the PS3 might not actually do any upconverting itself at all. You get whatever signal the content provides.[/QUOTE] I wonder if that means that some games will support 1080i? While the 360 scales everything I think some of the games natively support 1080i anyway (at least according to the back of the box, some say "HDTV 720p" others say "HDTV 720p/1080i").
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Do you happen to know about the $300 ones at http://www.outlet.philips.com? I've heard that even ones that do often look quite a bit worse than a 1080i signal.[/QUOTE]
Those typically don't (mine don't), the ones that do, don't do it very well. It doesn't look good at all.
I would recommend one of the 32 inch LCD's that will be $500 or less on Black Friday. I might go in that direction.
Those typically don't (mine don't), the ones that do, don't do it very well. It doesn't look good at all.
I would recommend one of the 32 inch LCD's that will be $500 or less on Black Friday. I might go in that direction.
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[quote name='PenguinMaster']I wonder if that means that some games will support 1080i? While the 360 scales everything I think some of the games natively support 1080i anyway (at least according to the back of the box, some say "HDTV 720p" others say "HDTV 720p/1080i").[/quote]Yeah, I think Sony is basically leaving it up to the devs/publishers to provide the content at whatever resolution they choose.
[quote name='secretvampire']This 
ing pisses me off, I will NOT be buying a PS3 until this is resolved:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html
Sony can themselves. The Xbox 360 has been handling this situation just fine for a YEAR now, it puts out a beautiful 1080i picture on my CRT HDTV.[/QUOTE]
Haven't read through all the replies yet, but I was wondering about this very issue. I had assumed that since the 360, as far as I knew, was capable of putting out 1080i that, certainly, the PS3 would be.
Get this, I have a Sony HDTV that is 1080i only. The manual for the TV says all 720p signals sent to it are downconverted. If the PS3 does the same thing then that is a big drawback (especially as it seems most of the games are 720p). I'm assuming 1080p content would be OK (downconverted to 1080i), if we ever get any
. But damn, I was hoping to finally get some HDTV content, as I have done nothing more than 480p (with the Gamecube. PS2, and pro scan DVD player) on it for 3 years now.
ing pisses me off, I will NOT be buying a PS3 until this is resolved:http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html
Sony can
themselves. The Xbox 360 has been handling this situation just fine for a YEAR now, it puts out a beautiful 1080i picture on my CRT HDTV.[/QUOTE]Haven't read through all the replies yet, but I was wondering about this very issue. I had assumed that since the 360, as far as I knew, was capable of putting out 1080i that, certainly, the PS3 would be.
Get this, I have a Sony HDTV that is 1080i only. The manual for the TV says all 720p signals sent to it are downconverted. If the PS3 does the same thing then that is a big drawback (especially as it seems most of the games are 720p). I'm assuming 1080p content would be OK (downconverted to 1080i), if we ever get any
. But damn, I was hoping to finally get some HDTV content, as I have done nothing more than 480p (with the Gamecube. PS2, and pro scan DVD player) on it for 3 years now.
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One more reason to wait. I just got a HDTV last year for the 360 launch and it only goes to 1080i and does HDMI. Special 'lol's and kick in the asses to people trying to spin this in favor of Sony because this is a ing outrage. Screw "Wait for a firmware patch", this is not something you should have to wait for. If it -can- be patched at all!
ing outrage. Screw "Wait for a firmware patch", this is not something you should have to wait for. If it -can- be patched at all!
I just checked my TV - I switched the video on the Xbox 360 dashboard to 720p and it didn't work. It looks like I won't be able to play PS3 games in HD which is funny considering my TV does have an HDMI port. Oh well, I'm selling my PS3 anyway but unless this is fixed through a firmware update or a mandate from Sony to make all games 1080i compatible I won't ever be buying a PS3. I paid too much for my TV and it works flawlessly with everything else I own.
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Uh, a future firmware will fix this. You don't have to throw a fit over this.
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Uh, a future firmware will fix this. You don't have to throw a fit over this.[/quote]
Can this be fixed by a firmware update?
Also, I can see FOX perfectly on my 1080i TV set and they broadcast in 720p along with a bunch of other channels - does my TV convert the signal to 1080i (in which case the PS3 should work when it sends the 720p signal) or is this done by my cable box? I've got a Motorola DVR/cable box - the standard Comcast one.
This is INSANELY frustrating - I don't know much but I probably know a little more than the average consumer because I try and stay on top of this stuff. I can't imagine the backlash when 50% of the HDTV owning community gets home and realizes the PS3 won't work properly. It's just too big of an oversight - Sony really can't be that stupid. They just can't.
Can this be fixed by a firmware update?
Also, I can see FOX perfectly on my 1080i TV set and they broadcast in 720p along with a bunch of other channels - does my TV convert the signal to 1080i (in which case the PS3 should work when it sends the 720p signal) or is this done by my cable box? I've got a Motorola DVR/cable box - the standard Comcast one.
This is INSANELY frustrating - I don't know much but I probably know a little more than the average consumer because I try and stay on top of this stuff. I can't imagine the backlash when 50% of the HDTV owning community gets home and realizes the PS3 won't work properly. It's just too big of an oversight - Sony really can't be that stupid. They just can't.
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Yes, this is certainly possible. The PS3 can output 1080i, but right now it looks like it has to be done by the software devs. And judging by the fact that Resistance, Genji 2, Gundam, and the sports games all are 720p ONLY, that is not a positive sign of things to come.
This is true, it is trivial to strip out half the lines to make 1080p into 1080i. However, when the hell will we be seeing 1080p content? The Resistance devs basically said that they would have had to dumb down the engine too much to get smooth frame rates at 1080p.
Again, people who are saying this don't understand the problem, so stop saying it. If the PS3 lacks the scaling hardware, no firmware fix is going to work.
All the kids think you can do magic via these damn firmware patches these days! "Maybe Sony will add new Cell processors down the line through firmware!"
Yes, your cable box is doing the conversion. That's what is so frustrating, these cable boxes have been doing this for YEARS.
I really, really hope this is all one big misunderstanding, but for the current, it has already been verified as a real problem by different groups of people. It would be great if Sony added the ability in their next run of consoles or switched something on in the firmware, but I dunno....this is Sony we are talking about. I expect some arrogant statement like "You just have to buy a 1080p set from us."
[quote name='secretvampire']Yes, your cable box is doing the conversion. That's what is so frustrating, these cable boxes have been doing this for YEARS. [/quote]
[quote name='secretvampire']I really, really hope this is all one big misunderstanding, but for the current, it has already been verified as a real problem by different groups of people. It would be great if Sony added the ability in their next run of consoles or switched something on in the firmware, but I dunno....this is Sony we are talking about. I expect some arrogant statement like "You just have to buy a 1080p set from us."
[/quote]I really really can't believe this is an oversight by Sony. I have NEVER had a problem displaying anything on my HDTV and I've had it for almost 3 years. The HD service from Comcast has been fantastic too no matter what the stations are broadcasting in. I think this was done on purpose to try and move more of their HDTV sets.
They seem to be dilusional about how powerful the name "Playstation" is and they just think everyone will "work harder" to buy one along with a TV that can display the proper resolution. I can wipe my ass with $4,000 for the PS3 and a nice big HDTV (well, not really but I could definitely afford it no problem but it's still a lot of money) but there's no way in hell I'll be buying this crap just because they think I should. Hopefully you are right about a fix but based on Sony's past arrogance about stuff like this I don't see it happening and they just lost a customer and hopefully a lot more unless they address these issues.
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That's what I'm saying. There is still hope this is some sort of a weird oversight, but then again, this IS Sony we are talking about. .[/QUOTE]
A weird oversight is you forgot gravy on my mash potatos not you forgot about ANYONE with an older HDTV and now about the HDMI and even with a work around its up a surround system? WOW just WOW nothing like having spent $600 on something thats not finished let alone if it breaks or freezes....best launch ever...bahabahbah
That's what I'm saying. There is still hope this is some sort of a weird oversight, but then again, this IS Sony we are talking about. .[/QUOTE]
A weird oversight is you forgot gravy on my mash potatos not you forgot about ANYONE with an older HDTV and now about the HDMI and even with a work around it
s up a surround system? WOW just WOW nothing like having spent $600 on something thats not finished let alone if it breaks or freezes....best launch ever...bahabahbahsecretvampire
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Hey, I'm with you. I'm just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt until they (or if they) respond. But based on their past record, they sure haven't earned it...
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I have an older Sony XBR HD CRT set (480i/480p/1080i). I have no idea if it will accept a 720p signal since I have never fed it one. I know that my cable box/DVR does the conversion to 1080i on 720p content, but I don't know what my TV itself would do with a native 720p signal.
Not good news for me. I was not going to buy a PS3 at launch, but I was hoping to get one next year at some point. Guess I'll be waiting for a fix or for when I can swing a new TV set.
Not good news for me. I was not going to buy a PS3 at launch, but I was hoping to get one next year at some point. Guess I'll be waiting for a fix or for when I can swing a new TV set.
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Has anyone seen a response by Sony to this issue? All I am seeing on the web is tumbleweeds...
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The folks at AVS Forums are also up in arms about this, I see news spreading all over gaming and tech sites about this.
The TrulyED UP..and I mean ED UP Thing about this...is that Sony didn't even bother to ANNOUNCE IT. There are going to be thousands of people who wont flip theirs on ebay, suddenly finding their CRT Tube or RP or FP setups rendering all games in 480p....
There are Tens of Thousands of people who still, to this day, live quite happily with 50, 55, 60, 65, 72 and 73" CRT based RPTV's.
To all you HT Noobs who think HD magically appeared in 2004, they've been selling HD sets since 1998...and up through 2003 CRT RPTVs were still outselling the overpriced and underfeatured Plasmas and LCD sets.
Few CRT based RPTV's had scalers built in prior to 2002....I own a 65" Mits that I use for gaming and thats definately not gonna work.
If you own a CRT Tube, Rear Projector, or god forbid a Front Projector....this effectively means you're screwed. Oh yeah..software? This is a hardware solution, not a software patch.
This is the same problem that everyone had with the XBOX and 720p titles.
The original xbox didn't have a scaler, so everyone with a CRT SET in 2001 and 2002 that did 1080i was stuck playing in 480p. Microsoft solved this problem by including a fantastic scaler in the 360.
So SONY concedes that it can't implement its ICT flags to downrez Blue Ray movies over Component because Sony knows there are probably as many older CRT based sets out there without digital inputs as there are modern LCD and Plasma sets.
And yet at the exact same time they didn't bother to include a scaler inside the PS3 so that those same systems that were going to be running on Component Cables could actually play the GAMES in High Def? Oh My Shaq-Fuuuuing God.
So you can watch Blu Ray movies in HD, but you can't game at 1080i.....
I own a couple of 720p displays, but none of them were the intended target of the PS3 I'd eventually buy. I'm definately sitting on the sidelines until this thing shakes out.
No launch lineup of games, bluetooth control with no legacy IR port makes every Universal Remote made so far obsolete, no strong selection of Blu Ray movies yet, a lousy transfer of Talladega Nights included as the pack in, and now THIS little gem.
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The big thing right now seems to be trying to figure out if this is a feature of the PS3 that isn't currently implemented in the launch titles, or if its an actual hardware deficiency with the design of the unit. There are lots of interesting ideas flying around, but suffice to say at least for now.....a game like Resistance, NFS Carbon, and so on....simply wont run at anything other than 480p on a 1080i set unless that set has its own internal scaler to turn 720p into 1080i. The plot thicks.
The Truly
ED UP..and I mean ED UP Thing about this...is that Sony didn't even bother to ANNOUNCE IT. There are going to be thousands of people who wont flip theirs on ebay, suddenly finding their CRT Tube or RP or FP setups rendering all games in 480p....There are Tens of Thousands of people who still, to this day, live quite happily with 50, 55, 60, 65, 72 and 73" CRT based RPTV's.
To all you HT Noobs who think HD magically appeared in 2004, they've been selling HD sets since 1998...and up through 2003 CRT RPTVs were still outselling the overpriced and underfeatured Plasmas and LCD sets.
Few CRT based RPTV's had scalers built in prior to 2002....I own a 65" Mits that I use for gaming and thats definately not gonna work.
If you own a CRT Tube, Rear Projector, or god forbid a Front Projector....this effectively means you're screwed. Oh yeah..software? This is a hardware solution, not a software patch.
This is the same problem that everyone had with the XBOX and 720p titles.
The original xbox didn't have a scaler, so everyone with a CRT SET in 2001 and 2002 that did 1080i was stuck playing in 480p. Microsoft solved this problem by including a fantastic scaler in the 360.
So SONY concedes that it can't implement its ICT flags to downrez Blue Ray movies over Component because Sony knows there are probably as many older CRT based sets out there without digital inputs as there are modern LCD and Plasma sets.
And yet at the exact same time they didn't bother to include a scaler inside the PS3 so that those same systems that were going to be running on Component Cables could actually play the GAMES in High Def? Oh My Shaq-Fuuuuing God.
So you can watch Blu Ray movies in HD, but you can't game at 1080i.....
I own a couple of 720p displays, but none of them were the intended target of the PS3 I'd eventually buy. I'm definately sitting on the sidelines until this thing shakes out.
No launch lineup of games, bluetooth control with no legacy IR port makes every Universal Remote made so far obsolete, no strong selection of Blu Ray movies yet, a lousy transfer of Talladega Nights included as the pack in, and now THIS little gem.
***EDIT***
The big thing right now seems to be trying to figure out if this is a feature of the PS3 that isn't currently implemented in the launch titles, or if its an actual hardware deficiency with the design of the unit. There are lots of interesting ideas flying around, but suffice to say at least for now.....a game like Resistance, NFS Carbon, and so on....simply wont run at anything other than 480p on a 1080i set unless that set has its own internal scaler to turn 720p into 1080i. The plot thicks.
[quote name='HeadRusch']The folks at AVS Forums are also up in arms about this, I see news spreading all over gaming and tech sites about this.
The TrulyED UP..and I mean ED UP Thing about this...is that Sony didn't even bother to ANNOUNCE IT. There are going to be thousands of people who wont flip theirs on ebay, suddenly finding their CRT Tube or RP or FP setups rendering all games in 480p....
There are Tens of Thousands of people who still, to this day, live quite happily with 50, 55, 60, 65, 72 and 73" CRT based RPTV's.
To all you HT Noobs who think HD magically appeared in 2004, they've been selling HD sets since 1998...and up through 2003 CRT RPTVs were still outselling the overpriced and underfeatured Plasmas and LCD sets.
Few CRT based RPTV's had scalers built in prior to 2002....I own a 65" Mits that I use for gaming and thats definately not gonna work.
If you own a CRT Tube, Rear Projector, or god forbid a Front Projector....this effectively means you're screwed. Oh yeah..software? This is a hardware solution, not a software patch.
This is the same problem that everyone had with the XBOX and 720p titles.
The original xbox didn't have a scaler, so everyone with a CRT SET in 2001 and 2002 that did 1080i was stuck playing in 480p. Microsoft solved this problem by including a fantastic scaler in the 360.
So SONY concedes that it can't implement its ICT flags to downrez Blue Ray movies over Component because Sony knows there are probably as many older CRT based sets out there without digital inputs as there are modern LCD and Plasma sets.
And yet at the exact same time they didn't bother to include a scaler inside the PS3 so that those same systems that were going to be running on Component Cables could actually play the GAMES in High Def? Oh My Shaq-Fuuuuing God.
So you can watch Blu Ray movies in HD, but you can't game at 1080i.....
I own a couple of 720p displays, but none of them were the intended target of the PS3 I'd eventually buy. I'm definately sitting on the sidelines until this thing shakes out.
No launch lineup of games, bluetooth control with no legacy IR port makes every Universal Remote made so far obsolete, no strong selection of Blu Ray movies yet, a lousy transfer of Talladega Nights included as the pack in, and now THIS little gem.[/quote]
. Is there any way to fix this short of redesigning the hardware? Can developers make games in 1080i or something? .
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ED UP..and I mean ED UP Thing about this...is that Sony didn't even bother to ANNOUNCE IT. There are going to be thousands of people who wont flip theirs on ebay, suddenly finding their CRT Tube or RP or FP setups rendering all games in 480p....There are Tens of Thousands of people who still, to this day, live quite happily with 50, 55, 60, 65, 72 and 73" CRT based RPTV's.
To all you HT Noobs who think HD magically appeared in 2004, they've been selling HD sets since 1998...and up through 2003 CRT RPTVs were still outselling the overpriced and underfeatured Plasmas and LCD sets.
Few CRT based RPTV's had scalers built in prior to 2002....I own a 65" Mits that I use for gaming and thats definately not gonna work.
If you own a CRT Tube, Rear Projector, or god forbid a Front Projector....this effectively means you're screwed. Oh yeah..software? This is a hardware solution, not a software patch.
This is the same problem that everyone had with the XBOX and 720p titles.
The original xbox didn't have a scaler, so everyone with a CRT SET in 2001 and 2002 that did 1080i was stuck playing in 480p. Microsoft solved this problem by including a fantastic scaler in the 360.
So SONY concedes that it can't implement its ICT flags to downrez Blue Ray movies over Component because Sony knows there are probably as many older CRT based sets out there without digital inputs as there are modern LCD and Plasma sets.
And yet at the exact same time they didn't bother to include a scaler inside the PS3 so that those same systems that were going to be running on Component Cables could actually play the GAMES in High Def? Oh My Shaq-Fuuuuing God.
So you can watch Blu Ray movies in HD, but you can't game at 1080i.....
I own a couple of 720p displays, but none of them were the intended target of the PS3 I'd eventually buy. I'm definately sitting on the sidelines until this thing shakes out.
No launch lineup of games, bluetooth control with no legacy IR port makes every Universal Remote made so far obsolete, no strong selection of Blu Ray movies yet, a lousy transfer of Talladega Nights included as the pack in, and now THIS little gem.
[/quote]. Is there any way to fix this short of redesigning the hardware? Can developers make games in 1080i or something? .[quote name='HeadRusch']
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The big thing right now seems to be trying to figure out if this is a feature of the PS3 that isn't currently implemented in the launch titles, or if its an actual hardware deficiency with the design of the unit. There are lots of interesting ideas flying around, but suffice to say at least for now.....a game like Resistance, NFS Carbon, and so on....simply wont run at anything other than 480p on a 1080i set unless that set has its own internal scaler to turn 720p into 1080i. The plot thicks.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. I was all set for a PS3 (some time in the Spring) to go along with the Wii as my HD gaming choice. If this is not resolved by then it looks like Sony will have driven me into the evil clutches of Microsoft.
And to add insult to injury, my 51" HDTV (bought in late 2003 by the way) is a Sony model. At least it was farily cheap, even then - about $1200. I guess I could buy another - but you can be damn sure it won't be a Sony
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The big thing right now seems to be trying to figure out if this is a feature of the PS3 that isn't currently implemented in the launch titles, or if its an actual hardware deficiency with the design of the unit. There are lots of interesting ideas flying around, but suffice to say at least for now.....a game like Resistance, NFS Carbon, and so on....simply wont run at anything other than 480p on a 1080i set unless that set has its own internal scaler to turn 720p into 1080i. The plot thicks.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. I was all set for a PS3 (some time in the Spring) to go along with the Wii as my HD gaming choice. If this is not resolved by then it looks like Sony will have driven me into the evil clutches of Microsoft
.And to add insult to injury, my 51" HDTV (bought in late 2003 by the way) is a Sony model. At least it was farily cheap, even then - about $1200. I guess I could buy another - but you can be damn sure it won't be a Sony
Oh my god, I just did a test, I forced my cable box to out put 720p via the service menus and got a completely scrambled image, I tested it via component and HDMI and it didn't do anything with the signal at all
This is with a 2004 Panasonic HDTV direct view TUBE.
So now I shouldn't even CONSIDER buying a PS3, because it can't even output games at 1080i anyways, $660 and to lose half the resolution and the scan rate?!?!
Why the hell is this?! Soul Calibur 3 and Gran Turismo 4 output 1080i perfectly, over component, with weak hardware.
This is with a 2004 Panasonic HDTV direct view TUBE.
So now I shouldn't even CONSIDER buying a PS3, because it can't even output games at 1080i anyways, $660 and to lose half the resolution and the scan rate?!?!
Why the hell is this?! Soul Calibur 3 and Gran Turismo 4 output 1080i perfectly, over component, with weak hardware.
[quote name='sarausagi']Oh my god, I just did a test, I forced my cable box to out put 720p via the service menus and got a completely scrambled image, I tested it via component and HDMI and it didn't do anything with the signal at all
This is with a 2004 Panasonic HDTV direct view TUBE.
So now I shouldn't even CONSIDER buying a PS3, because it can't even output games at 1080i anyways, $660 and to lose half the resolution and the scan rate?!?!
Why the hell is this?! Soul Calibur 3 and Gran Turismo 4 output 1080i perfectly, over component, with weak hardware.[/QUOTE]
You're not the only one. There's gonna be a lot of pissed off people sitting out in the cold right now.
I suppose this wouldn't be that big of a deal but Sony has placed such a high emphasis on the best graphics possible and made a big deal about how THEY are the choice for high definition gaming. Now it would seem that for a large number of HDTV owners are out of luck, permanently due to this being a hardware issue and not a firmware issue. Really, the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off, Sony really seems to be almost trying to shit all over their fans at this point.
This is with a 2004 Panasonic HDTV direct view TUBE.
So now I shouldn't even CONSIDER buying a PS3, because it can't even output games at 1080i anyways, $660 and to lose half the resolution and the scan rate?!?!
Why the hell is this?! Soul Calibur 3 and Gran Turismo 4 output 1080i perfectly, over component, with weak hardware.[/QUOTE]
You're not the only one. There's gonna be a lot of pissed off people sitting out in the cold right now.
I suppose this wouldn't be that big of a deal but Sony has placed such a high emphasis on the best graphics possible and made a big deal about how THEY are the choice for high definition gaming. Now it would seem that for a large number of HDTV owners are out of luck, permanently due to this being a hardware issue and not a firmware issue. Really, the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off, Sony really seems to be almost trying to shit all over their fans at this point.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You're not the only one. There's gonna be a lot of pissed off people sitting out in the cold right now.
I suppose this wouldn't be that big of a deal but Sony has placed such a high emphasis on the best graphics possible and made a big deal about how THEY are the choice for high definition gaming. Now it would seem that for a large number of HDTV owners are out of luck, permanently due to this being a hardware issue and not a firmware issue. Really, the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off, Sony really seems to be almost trying to shit all over their fans at this point.[/QUOTE]
Those Microsoft commercials about the next gen being here already..they're a lot more relevant
I suppose this wouldn't be that big of a deal but Sony has placed such a high emphasis on the best graphics possible and made a big deal about how THEY are the choice for high definition gaming. Now it would seem that for a large number of HDTV owners are out of luck, permanently due to this being a hardware issue and not a firmware issue. Really, the more I think about it, the more it pisses me off, Sony really seems to be almost trying to shit all over their fans at this point.[/QUOTE]
Those Microsoft commercials about the next gen being here already..they're a lot more relevant
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[quote name='suko_32']So I'm not that great with HDTV knowledge and I just want to know if the Westinghouse TV's at BB's Black Friday sale would work or not. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
They're LCD TVs, so yes. All LCD HDTVs use 720p and not 1080i.
They're LCD TVs, so yes. All LCD HDTVs use 720p and not 1080i.
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the average joe has enuff to buy a ps3? thats news to me.
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[quote name='Vegan']To be honest, a lot of the Average Joe PS3 userbase won't even notice that it's not HD.[/quote]
I don't know about that. The jump between 480p and 1080i on an HD set is pretty easy to notice.
I don't know about that. The jump between 480p and 1080i on an HD set is pretty easy to notice.
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More coverage from IGN, still awaiting comment from Sony:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p2.html
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p2.html
[quote name='secretvampire']More coverage from IGN, still awaiting comment from Sony:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p2.html[/QUOTE]
This article notes that 720p only sets may also be in trouble, as far as Blu-Ray goes. If your set is 720p, and won't scale 1080i or 1080p down to 720p, you'll have to watch Blu-Ray in 480p. The system apparently won't scale it for you.
I hope this isn't permanent. But if it is, thats crap. The 360 has had a built in scaler from day 1, I would expect no less than that from a console that purports itself to be significantly more advanced than the competition.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p2.html[/QUOTE]
This article notes that 720p only sets may also be in trouble, as far as Blu-Ray goes. If your set is 720p, and won't scale 1080i or 1080p down to 720p, you'll have to watch Blu-Ray in 480p. The system apparently won't scale it for you.
I hope this isn't permanent. But if it is, thats crap. The 360 has had a built in scaler from day 1, I would expect no less than that from a console that purports itself to be significantly more advanced than the competition.
[quote name='Plinko']Well, this is big enough for me not to buy a PS3 until the problem is fixed. I love my HD CRT, and I'm not putting $600 into a machine with no HD capabilities.[/quote]
QFT. Unless this is fixed I will NOT be buying a PS3. I wonder how many pissed off people there are today because their brand new $600+ system looks like shit.
QFT. Unless this is fixed I will NOT be buying a PS3. I wonder how many pissed off people there are today because their brand new $600+ system looks like shit.
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No launch lineup of games, bluetooth control with no legacy IR port makes every Universal Remote made so far obsolete, no strong selection of Blu Ray movies yet, a lousy transfer of Talladega Nights included as the pack in, and now THIS little gem.
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I hope I am misunderstanding the complaint about the universal remote control. Is a remote control included with the PS3 (other than the game controller)? Are only certain types of universal remote controls compatible? I sure as hell will not be buying a new universal remote if the remote I have is not compatible. I just got a Harmony remote last year for about $100. There is absolutely no reason I should have to upgrade my remote to watch blue ray movies.
No launch lineup of games, bluetooth control with no legacy IR port makes every Universal Remote made so far obsolete, no strong selection of Blu Ray movies yet, a lousy transfer of Talladega Nights included as the pack in, and now THIS little gem.
[/QUOTE]
I hope I am misunderstanding the complaint about the universal remote control. Is a remote control included with the PS3 (other than the game controller)? Are only certain types of universal remote controls compatible? I sure as hell will not be buying a new universal remote if the remote I have is not compatible. I just got a Harmony remote last year for about $100. There is absolutely no reason I should have to upgrade my remote to watch blue ray movies.
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I still have not seen any response from Sony. Looks like javeryh said, they just want to close their eyes and ignore the whole thing. They had a response for the backwards compatability problem within a couple of days....
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[quote name='dafoomie']This article notes that 720p only sets may also be in trouble, as far as Blu-Ray goes. If your set is 720p, and won't scale 1080i or 1080p down to 720p, you'll have to watch Blu-Ray in 480p. The system apparently won't scale it for you.
I hope this isn't permanent. But if it is, thats crap. The 360 has had a built in scaler from day 1, I would expect no less than that from a console that purports itself to be significantly more advanced than the competition.[/QUOTE]
that's some shit. I plan on getting a 720p set cause I really don't care about 1080i/p.
hope this gets fixed
I hope this isn't permanent. But if it is, thats crap. The 360 has had a built in scaler from day 1, I would expect no less than that from a console that purports itself to be significantly more advanced than the competition.[/QUOTE]
that's some shit. I plan on getting a 720p set cause I really don't care about 1080i/p.
hope this gets fixed
Yeah, no kidding. I have one sitting right here and since the ebay market is tanking I *would* have considered just keeping the damn thing (since I wanted one eventually and I got it with store credit anyway). But this crucial flaw means I'll probably get rid of it even for minimal profit. Hell, I'd sell the thing for $800 at this point. What the hell do I want this enormous boat anchor (it is *heavy*) for - so that I can play 480p games on my 51" HDTV? The Wii (that I'm getting at midnight and hooking up ASAP) will provide that same experience for me once I get the component cables. I played Motorstorm at Target yesterday and it sure is purty on their 720p displays. It is really a shame...
I thought it was a bit of a fiasco that Nintendo didn't have the component cables in store for launch as Perrin had promised. But this PS3 fatal flaw is, of course, a much more serious issue.
I thought it was a bit of a fiasco that Nintendo didn't have the component cables in store for launch as Perrin had promised. But this PS3 fatal flaw is, of course, a much more serious issue.
[quote name='io']Yeah, no kidding. I have one sitting right here and since the ebay market is tanking I *would* have considered just keeping the damn thing (since I wanted one eventually and I got it with store credit anyway). But this crucial flaw means I'll probably get rid of it even for minimal profit. Hell, I'd sell the thing for $800 at this point. What the hell do I want this enormous boat anchor (it is *heavy*) for - so that I can play 480p games on my 51" HDTV? The Wii (that I'm getting at midnight and hooking up ASAP) will provide that same experience for me once I get the component cables. I played Motorstorm at Target yesterday and it sure is purty on their 720p displays. It is really a shame...
I thought it was a bit of a fiasco that Nintendo didn't have the component cables in store for launch as Perrin had promised. But this PS3 fatal flaw is, of course, a much more serious issue.[/QUOTE]
I hear that IO. I've got a 38inch widescreen 1080i tube that makes my 360 games look ridiculous. I can't imagine hooking up a PS3 to it and knowing all I would get out if it would be 480p. Would seem like a huge waste after seeing how good the 360 games look.
Hope they get this worked out for all the launch keepers.
I thought it was a bit of a fiasco that Nintendo didn't have the component cables in store for launch as Perrin had promised. But this PS3 fatal flaw is, of course, a much more serious issue.[/QUOTE]
I hear that IO. I've got a 38inch widescreen 1080i tube that makes my 360 games look ridiculous. I can't imagine hooking up a PS3 to it and knowing all I would get out if it would be 480p. Would seem like a huge waste after seeing how good the 360 games look.
Hope they get this worked out for all the launch keepers.
[quote name='io']Yeah, no kidding. I have one sitting right here and since the ebay market is tanking I *would* have considered just keeping the damn thing (since I wanted one eventually and I got it with store credit anyway). But this crucial flaw means I'll probably get rid of it even for minimal profit. Hell, I'd sell the thing for $800 at this point. What the hell do I want this enormous boat anchor (it is *heavy*) for - so that I can play 480p games on my 51" HDTV? The Wii (that I'm getting at midnight and hooking up ASAP) will provide that same experience for me once I get the component cables. I played Motorstorm at Target yesterday and it sure is purty on their 720p displays. It is really a shame...
I thought it was a bit of a fiasco that Nintendo didn't have the component cables in store for launch as Perrin had promised. But this PS3 fatal flaw is, of course, a much more serious issue.[/quote]
yeah, I can't wait to get rid of my PS3 (it's at $96 on eBay right now!!!) and I will not get another one until this issue is addressed.
I thought it was a bit of a fiasco that Nintendo didn't have the component cables in store for launch as Perrin had promised. But this PS3 fatal flaw is, of course, a much more serious issue.[/quote]
yeah, I can't wait to get rid of my PS3 (it's at $96 on eBay right now!!!
) and I will not get another one until this issue is addressed.secretvampire
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Just bumping this up to see if there is any news. Although not being able to get a PS3 sure is a lot easier to stomach now that I've got my Wii. Notice how the Wii forum is blowing up with people overflowing with joy while the PS3 forum has discussion from the 3 people that actually bought and kept their system.
Nevertheless, I'm going to want one of these things eventually and I want this resolved.
Nevertheless, I'm going to want one of these things eventually and I want this resolved.
[quote name='secretvampire']Nevertheless, I'm going to want one of these things eventually and I want this resolved.[/quote]
QFT. I'm enjoying my Wii60 right now but somewhere down the road I do plan on getting a PS3 and I do anticipate loving it as much as I love my PS2 but this needs fixed or at the very least Sony needs to comment on it.
QFT. I'm enjoying my Wii60 right now but somewhere down the road I do plan on getting a PS3 and I do anticipate loving it as much as I love my PS2 but this needs fixed or at the very least Sony needs to comment on it.
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God Damn, can't play games in 1080i and can't play BR Movies in 720p. I guess I'll just be sticking with my cheap small CRT Monitor (which can run 1080p).
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