What do you believe in?

[quote name='georox']So we should listen and accept that killing people for having beliefs different than you is the proper and righteous thing to do? BRB, gonna go burn down some religious institutions.

No, I'm really not going to start being a pyromaniac, but hell according to this guy it's the right thing to do.
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I didn't say that did I. I said we have to accept what the other person believes, if your religion says you must kill other people then I accept that but that doesn't mean I'll let you kill me. Nor would I say that your thinking is right or wrong. And never did I use the terms proper and righteous.

Right and wrong is what humans made up and we should use laws to define what is right and wrong. That's why I hate it when people mix religion with law (and that's why we have so much debate about gay marriage).
 
[quote name='Koggit']reject faith.

REJECT FAITH.

please.

devout faith has no place anywhere, spiritual or otherwise, fuck faith, scourge of progress. reject it in all forms.[/QUOTE]

I like how you ignore the fact that faith is the basis of nearly every human action.

We have faith that the future will be like the past (and it is this that is the basis for all science). Faith is a part of being human, and say that it should be rejected everywhere shows that you really don't know what faith is--Sneaky's joke was more right on than he realized.
 
i've already admitted faith is unavoidable to some extent - but that fact is irrelevant. let go.

the more skeptical we are, the better off we are.

reject faith.
 
I believe in physics. Drop something. See? fucking physics. Once I drop something and a higher power decides it should hover I might change my mind. Or I will tell Criss Angel to stop it.
 
[quote name='Koggit']okay let's turn this into a two-step program for the slower members of our audience: (1) learn what faith is, (2) reject faith.

advanced readers may skip to step 2.[/QUOTE]

Your posts make me want to become more religious.
 
Internet Forum Pseudo-Intellect character archetype runnin' WILD.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']I believe in physics. Drop something. See? fucking physics. Once I drop something and a higher power decides it should hover I might change my mind. Or I will tell Criss Angel to stop it.[/QUOTE]

funny you pick gravity to be a smartass about. physicists' faith in clearly broken gravitational theory is a huge part of why i switched majors my junior year.

please, explain to me how gravity works. tell me. play. if we humans know all about why apples fall then you should be able to either give me a working model of gravitational forces -or- point out flaws in the other models with which it causes singularities.

Can you do either? If you can make gravitational theory play nice with the standard model you'll be a very rich and famous man. And if not, if you can't, then should you really have so much faith in current gravitational theory?



I dont think any of us can explain with certainty why apples fall, yet I'd be willing to wager most people, even most physicists, consider that riddle solved. It's a result of faith. Don't you think that's a problem?
 
[quote name='rabbitt']
You misunderstand religious criticism as condescension...

...If you're not sure where to go after this, it's usually this point in the argument that the religious person asks the atheist where they get their morals from.[/QUOTE]
Geez, I wonder where he would get that idea from?
 
[quote name='Koggit']
i dont mean to sound all preachy or anything... i know faith is human nature, we all have faith and to some extent it's unavoidable, but we should all acknowledge the irrationality and consciously attempt to avoid it.[/QUOTE]
What about faith in your friends and family? :)

Anyways another atheist here. And the reason there's no option for agnostic is that being agnostic is not a belief system. It's just saying you aren't completely sure what you believe is true. You can be an agnostic or gnostic christian or atheist.
 
[quote name='randall82']
It's impossible to prove a negative. Are you also agnostic towards leprechauns and unicorns? To me, agnostic means you think it's equally probably there could or could not be a god. Atheism, to me, means you believe it's highly probably that there is no god. Not flaming, just adding to the discussion.[/QUOTE]

Somehow I became a whipping post in this thread, all we're arguing is degrees. My point in making the distinction was that I'm not 100% sure there's no God, just that it's not my own personal belief. We're just arguing semantics over to what extent someone who's agnostic should put a number on it. Okay, I'm 99.9% sure there's no God. If that makes me an atheist, than that's what I am.

The best (worst?) part of debating religion is that neither side can ever win. Those involved are always having two different conversations past each other. It's like you're playing tennis and your opponent showed up with a basketball. You're thinking to yourself what an idiot they are while they're thinking "who's this fool with the silly rounded stick."
 
[quote name='Koggit']funny you pick gravity to be a smartass about. physicists' faith in clearly broken gravitational theory is a huge part of why i switched majors my junior year.

please, explain to me how gravity works. tell me. play. if we humans know all about why apples fall then you should be able to either give me a working model of gravitational forces -or- point out flaws in the other models with which it causes singularities.

Can you do either? If you can make gravitational theory play nice with the standard model you'll be a very rich and famous man. And if not, if you can't, then should you really have so much faith in current gravitational theory?



I dont think any of us can explain with certainty why apples fall, yet I'd be willing to wager most people, even most physicists, consider that riddle solved. It's a result of faith. Don't you think that's a problem?[/QUOTE]


I said nothing about gravitational theory. Your reply is full of fail. I said I believe in physics. Gravity is a part of physics. When you hold shit out in front of you it generally falls to the ground relative to your position on the planet. Shit falling = gravity (or whatever you want to call it) exists. There is not one piece of actual physical evidence that god exists. Hold up the keyboard/laptop you are typing on and let go. Now ask god to show himself. Take your "theories" and shove them up your ass. I win.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Somehow I became a whipping post in this thread, all we're arguing is degrees. My point in making the distinction was that I'm not 100% sure there's no God, just that it's not my own personal belief. We're just arguing semantics over to what extent someone who's agnostic should put a number on it. Okay, I'm 99.9% sure there's no God. If that makes me an atheist, than that's what I am.

The best (worst?) part of debating religion is that neither side can ever win. Those involved are always having two different conversations past each other. It's like you're playing tennis and your opponent showed up with a basketball. You're thinking to yourself what an idiot they are while they're thinking "who's this fool with the silly rounded stick."[/QUOTE]

Yea, but if you agreed on tennis and they brought a basketball, they may think all of you they want, you are still the correct one... which works for most religious arguments =P Spit on their deity(deities) until they berserk. :D
 
[quote name='georox']Yea, but if you agreed on tennis and they brought a basketball, they may think all of you they want, you are still the correct one... which works for most religious arguments =P Spit on their deity(deities) until they berserk. :D[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with you. My point was that even if there's a correct side, there's no point in arguing if your opponent is intractably convinced that tennis is played with a basketball, and justifies that conviction with blind faith in the face of however much evidence you might provide that a tennis racket is in fact the correct piece of equipment.
 
This poll has turned out pretty much exactly like I thought it would before I hit the vote button. The thread too.

So far Koggit takes the cake for most amusing posts, and not just because I couldn't disagree more with them.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']This poll has turned out pretty much exactly like I thought it would before I hit the vote button. The thread too.
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I must say though that I'm pretty impressed that no one has sunk to making a "it's cheap ass gamer and there's only one jew?" joke. Wait, did I just?
 
Athiest. But I'm respectful of all religious beliefs. Just not when people are very preachy and pushy with their beliefs and try to convert others aggressively etc.

I think spirituality/religion should be a deeply personal matter and only discussed with people who want to discuss it. As such I won't say more as it's not something I have much interest in discussing very often as my beliefs are set, and I think others should sort out what they believe on their own and I have no interest in trying to shape the outcome.
 
Well said. Religion maybe the opiate of the masses but alcohol is society's essential lubricant.
Be damned all those who oppose the winebibbers, be not publicans nor prudes. -Me
 
I love how this thread went from discussion>argument>more argument>alcoholism. This is exactly as I predicted it too.

And any case, never be the asshole who yells at people who have faith. You make yourself look like a prick, and any convincing you have goes right down the drain. Just because Im Christian doesnt mean I cant respect an Atheists opinions. Hey, I love religious conversations because they reveal so much about a human being. The more aggressive they are about turning this into an argument, the greater chance they have of growing old as an unloved asshole, so to myself Ive already won. In cases which confused me (like the God/amputees debate or Zeitgeist), my priest helped explain what was off in their basis of reasoning. So lets try to keep this thread a bit more constructive please. Thanks
 
[quote name='Filler2001']
And any case, never be the asshole who yells at people who have faith. You make yourself look like a prick, and any convincing you have goes right down the drain. Just because Im Christian doesnt mean I cant respect an Atheists opinions. [/QUOTE]

Agree 100%, and it goes both ways.

Religious folks shouldn't be those assholes that yell at people who don't share their beliefs.

Discussions with willing people are fine and dandy. Being preachy and shoving your beliefs (or lack of belief) on others is not.
 
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[quote name='Filler2001']I love how this thread went from discussion>argument>more argument>alcoholism. This is exactly as I predicted it too.[/QUOTE]

What is wrong with alcoholism as a belief system?

Is there something wrong with worshiping a real substance to the exclusion of everything else?

Must worship to the exclusion of everything else be restricted to things that can't be sensed?
 
I never said there was anything wrong....maybe I predicted the greatest belief system of all would come into discussion after more argument. Never jump to conclusions. In fact, your jump to conclusions is making me believe you arent serious about it's status as a belief system.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Did anybody else notice the word "predict" doesn't appear in this thread until post #74?[/QUOTE]

The most surefire way to make sure your predictions are always correct is to never share them. The world in general, and CAG in particular, is filled with far more prescient geniuses than you realize.
 
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This thread really is like a case study in the internet, we've gone through pretty much every phase. If someone quotes this post and compares me to Hitler, we're all set.

I for one am glad we've come back full circle to the witty/ironic pictures and demotivational posters phase.

Someone PM me when its time to band together and make fun of Mormons, I've got some zingers.
 
Here we go.

[quote name='bvharris']This thread really is like a case study in the internet, we've gone through pretty much every phase. If someone quotes this post and compares me to Hitler, we're all set.

I for one am glad we've come back full circle to the witty/ironic pictures and demotivational posters phase.

Someone PM me when its time to band together and make fun of Mormons, I've got some zingers.[/QUOTE]

Hitler said the same thing.

[quote name='Adolf Hitler']This thread really is like a case study in the internet, we've gone through pretty much every phase. If someone quotes this post and compares me to Hitler, we're all set.

I for one am glad we've come back full circle to the witty/ironic pictures and demotivational posters phase.

Someone PM me when its time to band together and make fun of Mormons, I've got some zingers.[/QUOTE]

The Mormon roast is scheduled for 5PM.
 
Christianity. I was born, and raised baptist. During high school I got out of all of that, and didn't believe in anything for several years. Then I went back to Christianity because of something that happened.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Here we go.

Hitler said the same thing.

The Mormon roast is scheduled for 5PM.[/QUOTE]

I always suspected he was behind demotivational posters. He had his tentacles in everything, its amazing he found the time between planning the Iraq invasion with Bush and authoring Obama's healthcare plan.
 
[quote name='jman619']Christianity. I was born, and raised baptist. During high school I got out of all of that, and didn't believe in anything for several years. Then I went back to Christianity because of something that happened.[/QUOTE]

So what happened? I'm just curious, really.
 
Why the heck was my thread moved? Religion doesnt belong in vs. at all. All it does is make my thread less viewed and incorrectly placed D:
 
Okay, I'm Atheist. But, I want to clear something up. Some people are saying that they "don't believe in Jesus." It's historical fact that Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed all existed. It's whether or not you believe that they were "messengers of God" that makes you religious. One more thing: Boppa-booey boppa-booey Howard Stern's penis boppa-booey.
 
The best information we have of someone named Jesus existing is all second-hand. There were a lot of people roaming the desert, claiming to be prophets at the time, so there probably was a man who went by Jesus. I wouldn't say historical fact, though.
 
[quote name='numbier_wun']Okay, I'm Atheist. But, I want to clear something up. Some people are saying that they "don't believe in Jesus." It's historical fact that Jesus, Moses, and Muhammed all existed. It's whether or not you believe that they were "messengers of God" that makes you religious. One more thing: Boppa-booey boppa-booey Howard Stern's penis boppa-booey.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking serious? It's not a historical fact that Jesus existed. Damn.
 
[quote name='naes']Are you fucking serious? It's not a historical fact that Jesus existed. Damn.[/QUOTE]

Almost nothing that long ago is a historical fact. Historical facts depend on archeological record. You can't prove any specific person existed beyond about 500 years ago without a body that has a name tag.
 
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