What has Sony stolen from Nintendo?

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Can somebody refresh me on exactly what ideas Sony has stolen from Nintendo? I'm getting very annoyed at people who claim all Sony does is steal ideas, or the picture of the Sony Revolution controller. All I've been able to think of that they've "stolen" are the analog sticks, rumbling, and the PSX controller layout, which is pushing it.
 
Sony DID NOT STEAL ANYTHING FROM NINTENDO if you're referring to the PS1 supposedly having any sort of Nintendo technology in it.

As for analog, rumble, etc... they did copy those ideas from Nintendo.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']All I've been able to think of that they've "stolen" are the analog sticks, rumbling, and the PSX controller layout, which is pushing it.[/QUOTE]
Is that all? Yes, analog and force-feedback. Just two of the biggest innovations from last generation.

Eh, whatever. Good ideas get around, eh?



Also, zionoverfire and RedvsBlue...separated at birth?? :?
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']I am tired of people having the same avatar, also Sony "stole" analog stick, rumble, shoulder pads, good wireless.[/QUOTE]

Hey, look at Zion for that, not me. I had it first.
 
I remember the days "stolen" conspiricies back in 4th grade. Sega stole stuff from nintendo and nintendo from sega all the time. The school had a nintendo gang and a sega gang.....yeah...we were white boys.
 
Well, aren't they all copying Atari, from back in the day? See how ridiculous this, "who stole what" stuff is? Oh by the way, all the auto manufacturers stole the automobile idea from Ford!
 
[quote name='terribledeli']I once heard Sony stole Nintendo's first born. But it was fair since Nintendo slept with Sony's wife.[/QUOTE]

But now she's pregnant with Microsoft's!
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Is that all? Yes, analog and force-feedback. Just two of the biggest innovations from last generation.
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I would hardly consider force feedback one of the biggest innovations. I can't think of the last game I played without turning it off. I'll give you that it's fantastic for light guns and steering wheels, but beyond that, it was a gimmick for Star Fox 64 that somehow never died.
 
[quote name='gamereviewgod']I would hardly consider force feedback one of the biggest innovations. I can't think of the last game I played without turning it off. I'll give you that it's fantastic for light guns and steering wheels, but beyond that, it was a gimmick for Star Fox 64 that somehow never died.[/QUOTE]

I used to like force feedback but I was playing Quake IV the other day and they overused it to the point that it kind of got annoying. When feedback is used conservatively it can be immersive but when they overuse it and have the motors going full blast for 2 minutes straight it gets very annoying.
 
nintendo used to make playing cards....they totally stole that idea from Bicycle.
 
[quote name='Apossum']nintendo used to make playing cards....they totally stole that idea from Bicycle.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo made playing cards for Japanese games - not the ones we're used to seeing in the West.
 
The Playstation was a progression of the SNES CD addon that was canned. As to whether or not there was much of anything left of Nintendo's ideas on the final PSX is pretty debatable (aside from the obvious controller layout).

I'm not sure these ideas are really fairly called stolen, but perhaps adapted and evolved? Look at the Saturn 3D/Dreamcast controller->Xbox Controller, or the N64 Rumble Pak->Dual Shock. Progressions on themes. Though whether or not Sony is actually to come up with anything original on their own for innovation is debatable as well (heck, even Microsoft got Live! right).
 
[quote name='daroga']The Playstation was a progression of the SNES CD addon that was canned. As to whether or not there was much of anything left of Nintendo's ideas on the final PSX is pretty debatable (aside from the obvious controller layout).

I'm not sure these ideas are really fairly called stolen, but perhaps adapted and evolved? Look at the Saturn 3D/Dreamcast controller->Xbox Controller, or the N64 Rumble Pak->Dual Shock. Progressions on themes. Though whether or not Sony is actually to come up with anything original on their own for innovation is debatable as well (heck, even Microsoft got Live! right).[/QUOTE]


would dual analog count ?
 
[quote name='daroga'] Though whether or not Sony is actually to come up with anything original on their own for innovation is debatable as well (heck, even Microsoft got Live! right).[/QUOTE]

Memory Cards.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Memory Cards.[/QUOTE]

I remember fondly plugging in my brand new Ps2 (launch system, woot) and firing up Oni and Orphen.. only to find that I couldn't save my game that I'd played for hours without the memory cards. Let's just say it went sour quick when I realized I had to spend another $30 on the fucking system. For that, I will never forgive Sony. :cry:
 
Virtually every feature of the modern controller was created by Nintendo, from the d-pad to RF wireless. It's probably their greatest contribution to the industry.
 
[quote name='Tiphireth']I remember fondly plugging in my brand new Ps2 (launch system, woot) and firing up Oni and Orphen.. only to find that I couldn't save my game that I'd played for hours without the memory cards. Let's just say it went sour quick when I realized I had to spend another $30 on the fucking system. For that, I will never forgive Sony. :cry:[/QUOTE]

You found this out with the PS2?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I've always like the idea of memory cards, even for the xbox since it's useful to have the ability to have things when your system is about to crap out due to DREs.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']I've always like the idea of memory cards, even for the xbox since it's useful to have the ability to have things when your system is about to crap out due to DREs.[/QUOTE]
I thought the HDDs in the Xbox was the greatest thing ever. Until I realized I couldn't transfer most game saves over to other consoles. Makes it a pain in the ass using one system and then another when you've got different setups in different rooms.
 
I found this Nintendo press release from 1000 years ago introducing the Revolution controller. Looks like there can be no dispute who came up with this idea first. Let's see Sony try to get away with this one!

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Just wanted to point out that the rumble feature that everybody keeps calling force feedback is NOT force feedback. Force feedback is when, for example, a streering wheel will opperate differently in accordance to what's going on in the game, ie: harder to turn under certain conditions, spining on its own, etc. Simply rumbling is not force feedback.
 
I have a rumbly in my tumbly.


Er.... yeah, Sony did seem to release its versions of Nintendo's "innovations" shortly the big N debuted them.....

Now if they could just make a(n OFFICIAL) wireless Dual Shock comparable to the Wavebird.....*Sigh* (*note* I have the SEGA Surfwave controller and I love it, but it'd be nice if SONY would put out a first party one too!)
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Memory Cards.[/QUOTE]

borrowed from cameras!

sony did get sued over dual shock or something iirc.....and they lost for copyright infrigement.



Sony also stole Square from nintendo :whistle2:(, it was nintendos fault but still you asked
 
[quote name='Weedy649']borrowed from cameras![/quote]
In that case Nintendo "stole" the D-pad from computer keyboards.:lol:

sony did get sued over dual shock or something iirc.....and they lost for copyright infrigement.
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But it wasn't by Nintendo. I always thought it was a bit strange that they lost that lawsuit considering the same "patented" technology used in the dual shock has been around in various other vibrating electronic devices since the 70s.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You wanna know what I'm tired of? I'm tired of people looking for reason to hate a particular system.[/QUOTE]

Looking for reasons is bad. However, when the company gives people reasons, that's another all together.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']In that case Nintendo "stole" the D-pad from computer keyboards.:lol:[/QUOTE]

Weird, I've never seen a keyboard with a rocking-D-pad. Mine always just have 4 separate keys for the arrows. ;)
 
"While it is widely believed that the Nintendo 64 was the first home console to include an analog controller, the Vectrex (and Atari 5200) preceded the N64 by over a decade." - Wikipedia
 
The only thing I'm beginning to dislike more than fanboys are anti-fanboys. I think this is a perfectly legitimate question, but some people just about have lost their minds over any question that is asked which might result in conversation that is positive or negative about one company or the other.

I'm disappointed Playstation was ever released, because personally I think every great Playstation game would have been a better Nintendo game. And Sega would probably still be in the hardware game, focusing on First-Party titles rather than their current shotgun-approach. Even with my admitted bias, I don't care if someone else likes PS and hates Nintendo, and to cut off any intelligent discussion regarding competition between video game hardware manufacturers is disingenuous, I think. That's how you end up with mindless sheep buying whatever system they see Shaq playing in Kazaam Revolutions instead of buying (and supporting financially) systems based on their merits.

As for what Sony stole, they probably did "copy" several of Nintendo's ideas, but we can all agree I think that they took over the market mainly because Nintendo gave them sufficient incentive to develop a disc-based video game system and then put them in a situation where they either scrapped their investment or released the system as competing hardware.

As for the OP's original question, what's wrong with someone asking the question so that they can have an intelligent comment/reference point if a legitimate conversation ever comes to that subject? I didn't see any malice in the original posting...
 
[quote name='chosen1s']And Sega would probably still be in the hardware game,[/QUOTE]

Do we really want Sega back in the hardware game? I've owned just about all Sega systems between Genesis and Dreamcast, and I've felt burned by Sega's ineptness many times over. While they made some great games, Sega's defects made them implode into a 2nd rate third party developer that got bought out by an arcade company that rarely released anything outside of Japan.
 
Is it really stealing, more adopting to me. look at it this way Mercedes-benz was the first car company to start airbags and other safety items. Does this mean every car company that uses those technologies are thieves?

No one stole anything.
 
[quote name='Graystone']Is it really stealing, more adopting to me. look at it this way Mercedes-benz was the first car company to start airbags and other safety items. Does this mean every car company that uses those technologies are thieves?[/QUOTE]

It means that every car company that uses airbags pays royalties to whoever invented the specific technology, or they develop their own.

In the controller case, Sony apparently used a technology developed by another company without paying royalties. Standard fare with the idea of technology (however, blame Sonny Bono for extending it for, like, 50 years after the inveter's death, or something like that).
 
If I could play the hand of god in a Sim City-esque world, I'd replace Sega with Sony.
 
Nintendo stole the idea of useing a disc-based medium from Sony.

Nintendo stole the idea of a internet add-on from Sony.

Nintendo stole the idea of two analog sticks from Sony.
 
[quote name='evanft']Nintendo stole the idea of useing a disc-based medium from Sony.[/QUOTE]

No... the Sega CD and Turbo Grafx CD addons were around well before the Playstation (I'm blanking on if the CD-i or 3DO were out before the two previously mentioned). If Sony had their way, we'd all be using their proprietary formats (BETA, Mini-Disc, and now UMD and Blu-Ray). You can thank the music, move, and software industries at large that we have cheaper and arguably better alternatives in CDs and DVDs.

[quote name='evanft']Nintendo stole the idea of a internet add-on from Sony.[/QUOTE]

Um, what? Every Nintendo system since the Famicom has had an online component, just not in the US. The Famicom had online shopping and everything. Even here the SNES and Genesis had the Xband modem device for online play.

http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=258

[quote name='evanft']Nintendo stole the idea of two analog sticks from Sony.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps. Though was there any game to really use the 2nd stick for anything good till Microsoft brought out Halo? All of Nintendo's innovations had an actual use from the get-go.
 
[quote name='daroga']Perhaps. Though was there any game to really use the 2nd stick for anything good till Microsoft brought out Halo? All of Nintendo's innovations had an actual use from the get-go.[/QUOTE]

Ape Escape immediately came to mind.
 
a) I dont think it is the case that, if "Nintendo asked Sony to develop a CD-ROM add-on called "PlayStation" for the SNES" (source wikipedia), that Nintendo couldve possibly stolen the idea. Thats like saying they stole the idea from Phillips CD-i.

b) Nintendo has had a long history of occasionally dabbling with the internets, starting with the Famicom.

http://www.ntsc-uk.com/feature.php?featuretype=ret&fea=FamicomHistory

c) The idea of 2 sticks being stolen from Sony is significantly less valid when Sony stole the idea of a analog stick PERIOD. Thats like if company A develops a 2-cd changer, company B then introduces a 4-cd changer. Then company A also introduces a 4-cd changer, but later.
 
[quote name='Graystone']Is it really stealing, more adopting to me. look at it this way Mercedes-benz was the first car company to start airbags and other safety items. Does this mean every car company that uses those technologies are thieves?

No one stole anything.[/QUOTE]

Actually GM put airbags as options in Cadillac's and Buicks in the mid 70s, so they were the first.

And I do believe you're thinking Volvo as they tend to be the first on most other safety items (seat belts and side air bags come to mind)

edit- http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/air_bags.htm
Ford came second, and Chrysler was the first to offer them as standard equipment. So Mercedes wasn't even in the top 3.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Ape Escape immediately came to mind.[/QUOTE]
*nods* Had never played it, figured someone would correct me. The only good use of the analog stick(s) I played on the PSX was GT. Thanks! :)

I'll second Dr. Mario Kart's sentiments on the 2nd analog stick, however.
 
memory card was 1st used on the Sega CD.... So sony don't even have that... LoLz..

Sony also stole millions of the Nintendo sales & Fanbase... lets not forget that...

Who cares about stealing! Sony just killed off my favo publisher of all time... Working Designs
 
Hmm... I have to correct my post from earlier:

If I could, I'd replace Sony with Sega.
 
[quote name='daroga']No... the Sega CD and Turbo Grafx CD addons were around well before the Playstation (I'm blanking on if the CD-i or 3DO were out before the two previously mentioned). If Sony had their way, we'd all be using their proprietary formats (BETA, Mini-Disc, and now UMD and Blu-Ray). You can thank the music, move, and software industries at large that we have cheaper and arguably better alternatives in CDs and DVDs.



Um, what? Every Nintendo system since the Famicom has had an online component, just not in the US. The Famicom had online shopping and everything. Even here the SNES and Genesis had the Xband modem device for online play.

http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=258



Perhaps. Though was there any game to really use the 2nd stick for anything good till Microsoft brought out Halo? All of Nintendo's innovations had an actual use from the get-go.[/QUOTE]

I was being sarcastic.
 
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