What will happen to Obama's uncle?

[quote name='mykevermin']Walter Sobchak: What the fuck are you talking about? The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude.[/QUOTE]

And chinaman is not the accepted nomenclature.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Go back to the very article you linked to.


I'd be willing to say the odds of this man getting deported are pretty small.[/QUOTE]

Do you know what the word "brag" means? Words have meanings UB, words have meanings.
 
Do you know what the word "practically" means?

And yes, "I'd like to call the White House" is practically bragging. This guy could have easily said "I'd like my phone call, please." and made no mention of who he was calling.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Do you know what the word "practically" means?

And yes, "I'd like to call the White House" is practically bragging. This guy could have easily said "I'd like my phone call, please." and made no mention of who he was calling.[/QUOTE]

You are a fool.
 
[quote name='depascal22']And chinaman is not the accepted nomenclature.[/QUOTE]

It's not like we are talking about the people who built the railroads....
 
[quote name='camoor']You are a fool.[/QUOTE]

Well, if you think it's perfectly okay for individuals to attempt to sway family members in positions of power to use that power to their own advantage, then I could see how you'd think that.
 
[quote name='camoor']You are a fool.[/QUOTE]

Regardless, a family member acting like a fool definately hurts fellow relatives image. You don't have to disown them for it, but it does inconvenience you especially when you are running for relection for the POTUS.

Even with ordinary people, dealing with the effects of DWI's and such puts strain on your other family members who will have the burden of helping you out. That is not to complain that you have to help them, it is to complain that they should not be irresponsible enough to put something that is well within their control on your shoulders.

You would argue this.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Regardless, a family member acting like a fool definately hurts fellow relatives image. You don't have to disown them for it, but it does inconvenience you especially when you are running for relection for the POTUS.

Even with ordinary people, dealing with the effects of DWI's and such puts strain on your other family members who will have the burden of helping you out. That is not to complain that you have to help them, it is to complain that they should not be irresponsible enough to put something that is well within their control on your shoulders.

You would argue this.[/QUOTE]

Amazing. I had no idea that both UB and you were so concerned about bruising the president's feelings.

I'm sure that the president, who leads the free world, who eased America off the ledge of financial armaggedon, who has the headache of wrestling with the most uncooperative congress in over a century, who goes toe-to-toe with racist teapartiers screaming at him every week, I'm sure that guy can handle a minor scandal like this. He's tougher then you'd like to believe.

You ever think that the President might like a heads-up that his uncle was in jail? So he could, you know, make sure the guy doesn't fall through the cracks of the system or potentially get abused by cops who realize that he is not an American citizen ala easy pickings.

You two are some of the most selfish people I have ever conversed with, and it comes out in your posts all the time. You should feel ashamed.
 
[quote name='camoor']You ever think that the President might like a heads-up that his uncle was in jail?[/quote]

Again, that phone call could have been made without saying where the phone call was going to.

So he could, you know, make sure the guy doesn't fall through the cracks of the system
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Seems like it would have been easier for everyone if he did fall through the cracks. It's apparently worked for him the last 20 years or so.

You two are some of the most selfish people I have ever conversed with, and it comes out in your posts all the time. You should feel ashamed.
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That's probably because you have a bad habit of not actually reading what other people post and assuming you know what they're saying. You know virtually nothing about my life or what I do.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Again, that phone call could have been made without saying where the phone call was going to.


Seems like it would have been easier for everyone if he did fall through the cracks. It's apparently worked for him the last 20 years or so.[/QUOTE]

Not exactly what I meant. For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima

Read that and tell me you wouldn't preemptively warn the police too.

[quote name='UncleBob']That's probably because you have a bad habit of not actually reading what other people post and assuming you know what they're saying. You know virtually nothing about my life or what I do.[/QUOTE]

Meh, I call them like I see them. I'm talking about your online persona - you're right - I have no idea how you act IRL.
 
[quote name='camoor']Meh, I call them like I see them.[/QUOTE]

To put it bluntly, that's one of your many flaws. You "call them like you see them" instead of how they are.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']To put it bluntly, that's one of your many flaws. You "call them like you see them" instead of how they are.[/QUOTE]

That's fucking rich coming from you. I cite my sources.

So tell me - if you were in Obama's uncle's position, and you knew what the police can do to illegal immigrants, you wouldn't do the same?
 
[quote name='camoor']That's fucking rich coming from you. I cite my sources.

So tell me - if you were in Obama's uncle's position, and you knew what the police can do to illegal immigrants, you wouldn't do the same?[/QUOTE]

A.) I wouldn't have been out drinking.
B.) I wouldn't be driving after I was out drinking.
C.) To be 100% completely honest, I would have considered calling, but would have tried to do it discreetly. Not that this is "proof", but, I have some friends/former co-workers that have advanced pretty far up the chain. When something comes up at work, I don't tell my boss "Yeah, let me call so-and-so and see what he thinks..." IF I feel the situation is worth bringing attention to, I don't make a dog and pony show about it - I call from my cell, my office phone, or drop an e-mail when I have a chance and take it from there. I don't force my friends to be actively inserted into the middle of my problems. This is a far better method - as it gives them an easy out if they don't agree with me or the battle. For example, some of the best advice I was given was "substance over style" - a.k.a. Know when to pick your battles.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']A.) I wouldn't have been out drinking.
B.) I wouldn't be driving after I was out drinking.
C.) To be 100% completely honest, I would have considered calling, but would have tried to do it discreetly. Not that this is "proof", but, I have some friends/former co-workers that have advanced pretty far up the chain. When something comes up at work, I don't tell my boss "Yeah, let me call so-and-so and see what he thinks..." IF I feel the situation is worth bringing attention to, I don't make a dog and pony show about it - I call from my cell, my office phone, or drop an e-mail when I have a chance and take it from there. I don't force my friends to be actively inserted into the middle of my problems. This is a far better method - as it gives them an easy out if they don't agree with me or the battle. For example, some of the best advice I was given was "substance over style" - a.k.a. Know when to pick your battles.[/QUOTE]
This is all well and good, but you're taking the situation out of context. Framingham, and other suburban-ish towns relatively close to Boston, has had a decent sized influx of Brazilian immigrants and isn't known for being the most friendly, or diverse, town in the state. Knowing how local law enforcement will treats certain people, it's the best decision to pre-emptively state your connections before some local cop in a bad mood decides to play russian roulette with your future.

Name dropping Obama isn't about getting better than fair treatment; it's about getting fair treatment in a situation that generally dictates unfair treatment to begin with.

Your example might work in a professional setting, but it would never work when you're being detained in jail and that one phone call is going to be one of the most important phones call of your life.
 
Obviously, I can't say what I'd do in that position, but I'd think any cop who was likely to pull something like that would also be very unlikely to believe some random drunk off the street knows the president. Bullies don't tend to be the brightest of the bunch.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Obviously, I can't say what I'd do in that position, but I'd think any cop who was likely to pull something like that would also be very unlikely to believe some random drunk off the street knows the president. Bullies don't tend to be the brightest of the bunch.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe you. Why don't you admit that you didn't evaluate the situation properly and you unfairly maligned Obama's uncle?
 
[quote name='camoor']I don't believe you. Why don't you admit that you didn't evaluate the situation properly and you unfairly maligned Obama's uncle?[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that had he not name-dropped the president, these cops would have tortured him, without a doubt?

Or are you unfairly maligning these officers of the law?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Are you saying that had he not name-dropped the president, these cops would have tortured him, without a doubt?

Or are you unfairly maligning these officers of the law?[/QUOTE]

I am saying that I don't believe you.

I am saying that I think you rushed into the conversation eager to show off without reading one article about what happened or even thinking about the matter at hand for five minutes.

I think most cops are good guys who genuinely want to uphold the law. That having been said - why would Obama's uncle play the odds of drawing good cops when he has an ace up his sleeve? Better off to give them a heads-up rather then run the risk of finding himself in a position that any person on this board wouldn't wish on their worst enemy.
 
Or he could have come to the country legally by contacting Obama before for the reasons he is now. And the whole not driiving drunk would have been a pretty good decision too.

However all of you who base your opinions on so called facts are now basing them on "what ifs" and "buts".

I honestly cannot believe you guys think this guy did nothing wrong. He is not a victim.
 
[quote name='Knoell']However all of you who base your opinions on so called facts are now basing them on "what ifs" and "buts".[/QUOTE]

WRONG.

Bob being gross is a fact.
 
Are you still stuck on the "lucky sperm club" comment?
It's hardly original and hardly my idea. You should get out more and read more blogs by Ariana Huffington.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']It's hardly original and hardly my idea.[/QUOTE]

We know. Don't worry, noone assumes that you have the ability to think for yourself.
 
[quote name='camoor']We know. Don't worry, noone assumes that you have the ability to think for yourself.[/QUOTE]

..says the guy who links to a vaguely related Wikipedia article to try and bolster his claims...
 
[quote name='UncleBob']..says the guy who links to a vaguely related Wikipedia article to try and bolster his claims...[/QUOTE]

Is that really the best response you can come up with?

Come on, at least make it interesting. Don't needlessly bump the thread with this weak shit.
 
[quote name='Romis']If someone is here in the US and is payixg his federal/state taxes isn't that really what matters most[/QUOTE]

I think a fair and straightforward immigration policy is what matters most.

But at this point this thread is more about calling out the bitter conservatives and closet racists having their moment of schadenfreude at the expense of Obama and his relatives. They'll hide behind blind respect of the police and the law, they'll hide behind attacking sources rather then providing any of their own, they'll hide behind strawmen arguements, but at this point I feel confident that any rational person can read the thread and make up their own minds as to the situation and the political motivations of those commenting.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']So, yeah, those who want to see the system reformed in a sensible way - immigrants and otherwise - are perfectly justified in being upset at this.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='camoor']I think a fair and straightforward immigration policy is what matters most.

But at this point this thread is more about calling out the bitter conservatives and closet racists having their moment of schadenfreude at the expense of Obama and his relatives. They'll hide behind blind respect of the police and the law, they'll hide behind attacking sources rather then providing any of their own, they'll hide behind strawmen arguements, but at this point I feel confident that any rational person can read the thread and make up their own minds as to the situation and the political motivations of those commenting.[/QUOTE]

The funniest part was when knoell said the uncle should have asked Obama to get him in legally beforehand, as if that wouldn't have made them get their panties in a knot...
 
[quote name='Msut77']The funniest part was when knoell said the uncle should have asked Obama to get him in legally beforehand, as if that wouldn't have made them get their panties in a knot...[/QUOTE]

What gets my panties in a bunch is irrelavent. If we are now claiming it to be a security and safety concern for his Uncle not to be in this country, why did he come here illegally? If he wanted to come here all he had to do was apply for asylum right?

Rather, his uncle came here illegally, drove drunk, got arrested and THEN called Obama to help him out. But by all means, turn him into a victim.
 
[quote name='camoor'].........

But at this point this thread is more about calling out the bitter conservatives and closet racists having their moment of schadenfreude at the expense of Obama and his relatives. They'll hide behind blind respect of the police and the law, they'll hide behind attacking sources rather then providing any of their own, they'll hide behind strawmen arguements, but at this point I feel confident that any rational person can read the thread and make up their own minds as to the situation and the political motivations of those commenting.[/QUOTE]

Can't really say that any better, It was exactly the feeling I got as I read the banter in this thread.
It seems like almost every time someone jumps up on their soapbox about an issue the real "elephant in the room is something related to race"
It's pretty sad that even today, a country made up of immigrants has so many people hell-bent making it difficult for non-white immigrantion and quick to judge those that come in without asking first
 
[quote name='Romis']It's pretty sad that even today, a country made up of immigrants has so many people hell-bent making it difficult for non-white immigrantion and quick to judge those that come in without asking first[/QUOTE]

Not sure where I said I wouldn't deport a white illegal immigrant just as quick but OK.

The reason the focus is on illegals of a particular ethnicity is because statistics show that is where the vast majority come from. But of course it is easy to convienently ignore these things and push them as racist thoughts.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Not sure where I said I wouldn't deport a white illegal immigrant just as quick but OK.

The reason the focus is on illegals of a particular ethnicity is because statistics show that is where the vast majority come from. But of course it is easy to convienently ignore these things and push them as racist thoughts.[/QUOTE]

Statistics show that the vast majority of illegal immigrants come from Kenya?
 
[quote name='camoor']Statistics show that the vast majority of illegal immigrants come from Kenya?[/QUOTE]

The guy was talking about racism involved with illegal immigration and the people who are against it are against it because it is non-white people.

I poiinted out that it is hard to restrict illegal immigration when statistics show there are certain countries the majority are coming from, but people who enact policies targeting this majority are called racist.

So in short, no, the vast majority of illegal immigration does not come from Kenya. However I don't believe the poster I quoted was complaining about all the "racists" against illegal immigration from Kenya either.

You would play it like this.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Not sure where I said I wouldn't deport a white illegal immigrant just as quick but OK.

The reason the focus is on illegals of a particular ethnicity is because statistics show that is where the vast majority come from. But of course it is easy to convienently ignore these things and push them as racist thoughts.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Knoell']The guy was talking about racism involved with illegal immigration and the people who are against it are against it because it is non-white people.

I poiinted out that it is hard to restrict illegal immigration when statistics show there are certain countries the majority are coming from, but people who enact policies targeting this majority are called racist.

So in short, no, the vast majority of illegal immigration does not come from Kenya. However I don't believe the poster I quoted was complaining about all the "racists" against illegal immigration from Kenya either.

You would play it like this.[/QUOTE]

We're talking about Obama's uncle here, and then out of the blue you said there is a "focus is on illegals of a particular ethnicity because statistics show that is where the vast majority come from" and when pressed you can't come up with anything better then "non-white" people from an unspecified list of countries.

It's as if "non-white" is a race to you.
 
[quote name='camoor']then out of the blue[/QUOTE]

If by "out of the blue" you mean "directly responding to another members post", then yes, you would be correct.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If by "out of the blue" you mean "directly responding to another members post", then yes, you would be correct.[/QUOTE]

cool story bro
 
Only on the vs. forum would someone directly responding to accusations of racism be considered posting "out of the blue". That is a cool story, I suppose.
 
[quote name='Knoell']The guy was talking about racism involved with illegal immigration and the people who are against it are against it because it is non-white people.

I poiinted out that it is hard to restrict illegal immigration when statistics show there are certain countries the majority are coming from, but people who enact policies targeting this majority are called racist.

So in short, no, the vast majority of illegal immigration does not come from Kenya. However I don't believe the poster I quoted was complaining about all the "racists" against illegal immigration from Kenya either.

You would play it like this.[/QUOTE]
The reason why this is dumb and racist is because you ARE specifically targeting one group more than another because of their race. This isn't fucking rocket science. It doesn't matter if there are more illegal Irish than there are illegal Peruvians because people that just look Latino will be targeted more. Unequal treatment in the form of oppression for one group(non-white) and privilege for another(white) is at the heart of racism.
 
[quote name='dohdough']The reason why this is dumb and racist is because you ARE specifically targeting one group more than another because of their race. This isn't fucking rocket science. It doesn't matter if there are more illegal Irish than there are illegal Peruvians because people that just look Latino will be targeted more. Unequal treatment in the form of oppression for one group(non-white) and privilege for another(white) is at the heart of racism.[/QUOTE]

You are right, it isn't fucking rocket science. It is statistics.

Unequal treatment? How many times have I heard you guys mockingly say "we hear so much about the mexican border, but noone says anything about the canadian border, fucking racists".

God damn you guys are dishonest.
 
[quote name='Knoell']You are right, it isn't fucking rocket science. It is statistics.[/quote]
Which is funny because it's something that you clearly don't understand.

Unequal treatment? How many times have I heard you guys mockingly say "we hear so much about the mexican border, but noone says anything about the canadian border, fucking racists".
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Your point being?

I'm going to entertain this farce of an argument for a moment. When we say unequal, we say unequal on levels of attention, treatment, and enforcement. When at least 40% are visa overstays, we direct 99% of our attention towards undocumented entries. There's a big fucking difference that's clearly seen even in this thread that don't even acknowledge the fact that Obama came legally.

God damn you guys are dishonest.
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This is even more funny coming from you. U mad brah?
 
[quote name='dohdough']Which is funny because it's something that you clearly don't understand.


Your point being?

I'm going to entertain this farce of an argument for a moment. When we say unequal, we say unequal on levels of attention, treatment, and enforcement. When at least 40% are visa overstays, we direct 99% of our attention towards undocumented entries. There's a big fucking difference that's clearly seen even in this thread that don't even acknowledge the fact that Obama came legally.


This is even more funny coming from you. U mad brah?[/QUOTE]

So you would be for cracking down on Visa overstays then?

On second thought, Don't even bother entertaining the argument. I already know your insane point of view. See my signature.
 
[quote name='Knoell']So you would be for cracking down on Visa overstays then?

On second thought, Don't even bother entertaining the argument. I already know your insane point of view. See my signature.[/QUOTE]

I know that when it comes to checking immigration status I'm against targeting non-whites. Since you are for targeting non-whites, it makes you a racist.

Fin.
 
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