Clearly there are a bunch of deaf chimps on here, Mick, who don't get what you are saying. I'm with you -- I'm looking for it to drop also. NHL08 was good again, at long last. There's no telling if 09 will be. I've been playing on NHL 2000 for a long time, and that's been cool with me. I only see a need to move up if the game is a serious improvement, and it sounds like NHL 08 was. If I see something, I'll let you know.