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i want a vita. prob will sit there like my psp though... no desire for 3ds atm
Why are people buying the 3DS and not the VITA?
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[quote name='io']Part of my problem is that I don't feel the desire to play a handheld at home. If I'm home, I'm going to play a console.[/QUOTE]
While probably unrelated to the OP subject, that was a thing that I had an issue with for a long time. I actually had ordered a 3DS at one point and then cancelled when I really thought about how much I'd get to use it. Back when I was a kid, having a portable game system would have been heaven for me, but with limited time, it is less desireable, particularly when I usually read a book with that time.
Then I did bite on the PSP Go when Gamestop dropped their used prices on them. I do find myself using it a decent amount when I'm managing my son's bedtime or the cat's food. That being said, portables are most ideal for bite-size gaming. I can't see myself sitting in front of a portable for hours playing a game.
That's probably an issue the Vita, with the "full size console in a portable" attitude.
While probably unrelated to the OP subject, that was a thing that I had an issue with for a long time. I actually had ordered a 3DS at one point and then cancelled when I really thought about how much I'd get to use it. Back when I was a kid, having a portable game system would have been heaven for me, but with limited time, it is less desireable, particularly when I usually read a book with that time.
Then I did bite on the PSP Go when Gamestop dropped their used prices on them. I do find myself using it a decent amount when I'm managing my son's bedtime or the cat's food. That being said, portables are most ideal for bite-size gaming. I can't see myself sitting in front of a portable for hours playing a game.
That's probably an issue the Vita, with the "full size console in a portable" attitude.
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Madden Is hardly typical of a full style console games People tend to want to play a match to completion in a sports game. While most full style console games you sit down and play-for a bit then save and stop, Just like you would on a handheld.[/QUOTE]
While true, most people aren't playing Call of Duty or Skyrim or Uncharted in short five to ten minute bursts even if they can save anywhere. I never fire up a console game unless I have at least a solid hour or two as most games just aren't fun in short bursts with just getting through a couple checkpoints in an FPS game or part of a quest in an rpg or a couple levels in a Mario game. Thats just not satisfying.
Where as if I'm stuck somewhere for a few minutes it is fun to knockout a level or two of something simple like Angry Birds or Words with Friends etc.
So again, unless someone regularly has hour plus blocks where they want to play something like Uncharted on a small screen, portables just don't have much appeal to the average adult gamer who would rather just play full games at home and can play some simple games on their phones when stuck in a waiting room etc.
Thus the 3DS lead can really be explained by the kid/family friendly angle and their long dominance of that market. The Vita is problem even with, or even ahead of, the 3DS among adult gamers as both will just sell to that niche of hardcore gamers interested in playing traditional games on a portable.
Madden Is hardly typical of a full style console games People tend to want to play a match to completion in a sports game. While most full style console games you sit down and play-for a bit then save and stop, Just like you would on a handheld.[/QUOTE]
While true, most people aren't playing Call of Duty or Skyrim or Uncharted in short five to ten minute bursts even if they can save anywhere. I never fire up a console game unless I have at least a solid hour or two as most games just aren't fun in short bursts with just getting through a couple checkpoints in an FPS game or part of a quest in an rpg or a couple levels in a Mario game. Thats just not satisfying.
Where as if I'm stuck somewhere for a few minutes it is fun to knockout a level or two of something simple like Angry Birds or Words with Friends etc.
So again, unless someone regularly has hour plus blocks where they want to play something like Uncharted on a small screen, portables just don't have much appeal to the average adult gamer who would rather just play full games at home and can play some simple games on their phones when stuck in a waiting room etc.
Thus the 3DS lead can really be explained by the kid/family friendly angle and their long dominance of that market. The Vita is problem even with, or even ahead of, the 3DS among adult gamers as both will just sell to that niche of hardcore gamers interested in playing traditional games on a portable.
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[quote name='htz']New Super Mario Bros. 2
Kingdom Hearts 3D
Super Mario 3D Land
Mario Kart 7
Final Fantasy Theatrhythm
Resident Evil Revelations
Kid Icarus Uprising
Mario Tennis Open
Ace Combat Assault Horizon Legacy
vs.
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Gravity Rush
Unit 13
Wipeout 2048
Resistance Burning Skys
Vita: Partial PSP/PS1 backwards compatibility. Expensive storage.
3DS: Full playback of DS games(No need to re-buy from eShop). Cheap SD card storage.
I also like the 3DS's user interface and streetpass feature. For less money the 3DS brings more value and better games so far in my opinion, which explains why it is selling so well compared to the Vita. You can have the latest cutting edge tech but with no standout software to take advantage of it, its pretty much useless.
Sony seriously need to cut the cost of storage, stop doing PS3 ports (I doubt it due to Cross Play), and start investing in a dev team to specifically take advantage of the Vita hardware like what they did with the PS3 with NaughtyDog. I think they are starting to do that with media molecule's tearaway.[/QUOTE]
I removed ports from your list.
I just don't have a Vita 'cause I doesn't have any MUST HAVE titles. Ya, it has good/decent games, but it's got nothing that's a killer app. Some people say UC is, but UC is so simple I don't consider it one.
The only future games I "have" to play for it are Zero Escape (sequel~ish to 999) and P4: Golden because I haven't beat the Ps2 version and this has extra stuff.
Vita has games, but nothing that makes it worth owning one.
Kingdom Hearts 3D
Super Mario 3D Land
Mario Kart 7
Final Fantasy Theatrhythm
Resident Evil Revelations
Kid Icarus Uprising
Mario Tennis Open
Ace Combat Assault Horizon Legacy
vs.
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Gravity Rush
Unit 13
Wipeout 2048
Resistance Burning Skys
Vita: Partial PSP/PS1 backwards compatibility. Expensive storage.
3DS: Full playback of DS games(No need to re-buy from eShop). Cheap SD card storage.
I also like the 3DS's user interface and streetpass feature. For less money the 3DS brings more value and better games so far in my opinion, which explains why it is selling so well compared to the Vita. You can have the latest cutting edge tech but with no standout software to take advantage of it, its pretty much useless.
Sony seriously need to cut the cost of storage, stop doing PS3 ports (I doubt it due to Cross Play), and start investing in a dev team to specifically take advantage of the Vita hardware like what they did with the PS3 with NaughtyDog. I think they are starting to do that with media molecule's tearaway.[/QUOTE]
I removed ports from your list.
I just don't have a Vita 'cause I doesn't have any MUST HAVE titles. Ya, it has good/decent games, but it's got nothing that's a killer app. Some people say UC is, but UC is so simple I don't consider it one.
The only future games I "have" to play for it are Zero Escape (sequel~ish to 999) and P4: Golden because I haven't beat the Ps2 version and this has extra stuff.
Vita has games, but nothing that makes it worth owning one.
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Handhelds are good for bathroom trips, until your legs fall asleep and you realize you have been sitting there with your pants down for over an hour.
On a serious note, I have a DS lite, which was the handheld I've owned since the OG Gameboy, and for the small amount I travel it works well enough for me to decide to not buy something better.
While i would like to have a Vita, I can't justify the purchase for the tiny amount I would play it.
On a serious note, I have a DS lite, which was the handheld I've owned since the OG Gameboy, and for the small amount I travel it works well enough for me to decide to not buy something better.
While i would like to have a Vita, I can't justify the purchase for the tiny amount I would play it.
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I've owned both a 3DS and a Vita since their respective launches, and I'll cop to sort of regretting the Vita pick-up. Thus far, I haven't played anything that has made me feel like the system was a justified purchase, which is something I've felt numerous times with the 3DS. It's not that the Vita doesn't have games, it just hasn't really wowed me with anything yet. Certainly nothing to a level that makes me happy I spent the $300 on the thing. That regret grows every time I see these deals pop up where you get games with the Vita... I could've waited 6 months and been in basically the same place, but for less money.
That said, it's a slick piece of hardware, but the longer the 'down' period lasts, the more concerned I become about it ever reaching its full potential. If the consumers aren't there, developers won't make games. Period. End of. Sony will valiantly try to salvage it, but so far their big forays into boosts have been, uh, PS1 games and 'free' Vita versions of PS3 games. Both are meaningful, sure, but it's pointless unless people go out in droves to pick up systems.
Cost, yes, is a deterrent. Sure, the Vita launching at $250 was a 'wow' moment when it was announced. Then the memory card price came out. Then the effective lack of backwards compatibility was confirmed. So, suddenly, that $250 became, at minimum, $300 to even use the base model. Want Uncharted? Add $20. Want a bigger memory card? Add another $20. It adds up. Smaller tech always costs more, but that's headed to console territory now. Without a lot of big announcements on the horizon, it's a tougher pill to swallow.
One of my other big complaints about the Vita launch was the complete absence of a marketing campaign. It's anecdotal, sure, but I was
ing floored at the amount of friends that came over after launch and asked what that thing on the coffee table was. They owned 360s. They owned PS3s. They owned DSs. They had no idea what the Vita was. Sony really shot themselves in the foot, in my opinion, by creating a hugely slick piece of hardware and then sort of, uh, you know, not telling anyone about it. That's an issue, though... Nintendo seems to target everyone, whereas Sony seems to only be trying to please gamers. That's great for us, but not so great if you're attempting to sell things.
I don't know... like I said, I own both, and I'd choose the 3DS over the Vita in a heartbeat. Slick hardware and potential mean nothing if no one is going to take advantage of it, which I unfortunately think is eventually going to turn the Vita into a port machine with occasional blips of creativity (like Gravity Rush). I genuinely hope I'm wrong, I really do. I want the Vita to be the system it *can* be. I just... I just don't see it getting there. Which, frankly, is a damn shame.
That said, it's a slick piece of hardware, but the longer the 'down' period lasts, the more concerned I become about it ever reaching its full potential. If the consumers aren't there, developers won't make games. Period. End of. Sony will valiantly try to salvage it, but so far their big forays into boosts have been, uh, PS1 games and 'free' Vita versions of PS3 games. Both are meaningful, sure, but it's pointless unless people go out in droves to pick up systems.
Cost, yes, is a deterrent. Sure, the Vita launching at $250 was a 'wow' moment when it was announced. Then the memory card price came out. Then the effective lack of backwards compatibility was confirmed. So, suddenly, that $250 became, at minimum, $300 to even use the base model. Want Uncharted? Add $20. Want a bigger memory card? Add another $20. It adds up. Smaller tech always costs more, but that's headed to console territory now. Without a lot of big announcements on the horizon, it's a tougher pill to swallow.
One of my other big complaints about the Vita launch was the complete absence of a marketing campaign. It's anecdotal, sure, but I was
ing floored at the amount of friends that came over after launch and asked what that thing on the coffee table was. They owned 360s. They owned PS3s. They owned DSs. They had no idea what the Vita was. Sony really shot themselves in the foot, in my opinion, by creating a hugely slick piece of hardware and then sort of, uh, you know, not telling anyone about it. That's an issue, though... Nintendo seems to target everyone, whereas Sony seems to only be trying to please gamers. That's great for us, but not so great if you're attempting to sell things. I don't know... like I said, I own both, and I'd choose the 3DS over the Vita in a heartbeat. Slick hardware and potential mean nothing if no one is going to take advantage of it, which I unfortunately think is eventually going to turn the Vita into a port machine with occasional blips of creativity (like Gravity Rush). I genuinely hope I'm wrong, I really do. I want the Vita to be the system it *can* be. I just... I just don't see it getting there. Which, frankly, is a damn shame.
[quote name='jkam']1. Cost - So $170 vs. $250[/QUOTE]
The end. Also, neither is very popular in the US due to the mobile market (itunes, android, etc) which makes up the majority of share here.
Vita also has the unfortunate act of following the 3DS, which people are not willing to get burned (or be burned again). Fool me once. . .
The end. Also, neither is very popular in the US due to the mobile market (itunes, android, etc) which makes up the majority of share here.
Vita also has the unfortunate act of following the 3DS, which people are not willing to get burned (or be burned again). Fool me once. . .
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[quote name='HaLLuZiNaTiOnZ']The only future games I "have" to play for it are Zero Escape (sequel~ish to 999) and P4: Golden because I haven't beat the Ps2 version and this has extra stuff.[/QUOTE]
Zero Escape is also on the 3DS.
Zero Escape is also on the 3DS.
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[quote name='elessar123']Zero Escape is also on the 3DS.[/QUOTE]
Well then, now I don't know if I should buy myself a Vita on BF. =/
Well then, now I don't know if I should buy myself a Vita on BF. =/
[quote name='Salamando3000']Gravity Rush might be a mighty fine game, but it's got no where near the brand recognition Mario has. Nor does it have the marketing budget. People in general (not necessarily people here) aren't going to buy a Vita for an awesome game if they don't know it exists.[/QUOTE]
He asked for an example of a killer Vita game... I named one. I didn't say it'd sell more than Mario or Zelda.
He asked for an example of a killer Vita game... I named one. I didn't say it'd sell more than Mario or Zelda.
I've noticed a lot of people talk about not wanting to play long games on a handheld which is fine but you are also turning away some of the best games these consoles offer. I call bullshit on this anyway.
Resident Evil Revelations is a console experience and around 10 hours and it's a better game than RE5 was. One of the highest selling if not the most sold game on the 3DS is Zelda Ocarina of Time which is not a "short" game. No one here will buy Paper Mario which is sure to be 20 hours+ if you consider past games in the series?
The reason I like the VITA so much is because I instantly go into sleep mode (even mid cut-scene) and can pick up right where I left off even if it's a week later. The 3DS has sleep mode too but I can't seem to get as long out of it. The battery seems to die quicker on me in sleep mode.
The other thing no one is mentioning is the fact that among these games there are also some great PSN and eShop games that offer byte sized gaming for quicker sessions but everyone just seems to ignore this stuff.
Resident Evil Revelations is a console experience and around 10 hours and it's a better game than RE5 was. One of the highest selling if not the most sold game on the 3DS is Zelda Ocarina of Time which is not a "short" game. No one here will buy Paper Mario which is sure to be 20 hours+ if you consider past games in the series?
The reason I like the VITA so much is because I instantly go into sleep mode (even mid cut-scene) and can pick up right where I left off even if it's a week later. The 3DS has sleep mode too but I can't seem to get as long out of it. The battery seems to die quicker on me in sleep mode.
The other thing no one is mentioning is the fact that among these games there are also some great PSN and eShop games that offer byte sized gaming for quicker sessions but everyone just seems to ignore this stuff.
It's not that I don't think the games aren't good, it's that I have little interest in playing a game on a tiny screen instead of my 50" TV.
I'm also not a hardcore gamer, so I miss a ton of great games anyway as I just don't have the time/interest top play all the great games just on the consoles even. So I don't mind missing some great portable games.
I'm also not a hardcore gamer, so I miss a ton of great games anyway as I just don't have the time/interest top play all the great games just on the consoles even. So I don't mind missing some great portable games.
The reason I don't own and don't plan to own a VITA are:
A. Track record - I bought a PSP and I barely played it compared to my DS Lite that I practically wore out. A lot of the PSP games didn't appeal to me and the ones that did I would have rather played on the PS3. My PSP almost has a thicker coat of dust on it then my Wii.
B. Cost - I'm not saying it's to expensive but it is just more then I am willing to pay for it. Plus when you add on the cost of the memory cards the cost goes up even more.
C. None of my friends have one - I know that leads to a vicious cycle but I am more willing to pick up game hardware/software if my real life friends have it/enjoy it.
D. Lack of games that appeal to me - I'm not saying the VITA has bad games but there aren't enough out that appeal to me. Gravity Rush looks cool but one game doesn't sell me on the system. If a new Suikoden or Breath of Fire was announced for it I would become interested.
A. Track record - I bought a PSP and I barely played it compared to my DS Lite that I practically wore out. A lot of the PSP games didn't appeal to me and the ones that did I would have rather played on the PS3. My PSP almost has a thicker coat of dust on it then my Wii.
B. Cost - I'm not saying it's to expensive but it is just more then I am willing to pay for it. Plus when you add on the cost of the memory cards the cost goes up even more.
C. None of my friends have one - I know that leads to a vicious cycle but I am more willing to pick up game hardware/software if my real life friends have it/enjoy it.
D. Lack of games that appeal to me - I'm not saying the VITA has bad games but there aren't enough out that appeal to me. Gravity Rush looks cool but one game doesn't sell me on the system. If a new Suikoden or Breath of Fire was announced for it I would become interested.
The DS is still the best handheld system to me, but honestly I can become satisfied with my iPod touch very easily.
The 3DS is selling because it has Mario games, Nintendo's Mario franchise is clearly strong enough to sell systems alone, and the 3DS has plenty of Mario games now and more that are coming out. The 3DS is also reaching an audience that is too young for smartphones, so the parents are buying them the 3DS so they can have something to do on the go if their parent hasn't passed down their old iPhone to their kids yet.
When I am in public my greatest need would be to play a game while waiting 10-15 min and the iPod touch fills that void just fine. If there is no wifi hotspot I can listen to music if I become bored with the games. The games can be played without wifi too.
If I need a handheld that offers more than the iPod touch the DS is just fine, it has better games than the 3DS and offers more RPG games, there isn't a single RPG on the 3DS right now that interests me, nor is there one on the horizon, and Heroes of Ruin doesn't count because I don't want to play that game. Neither the 3DS or the PS Vita offer anything for the RPG gamer like myself, while the regular DS and the PSP offer tons and at very low prices right now. The DS also offers a longer battery life, though the 3DS XL is changing that.
As others have said its all about the games, the games for me are clearly on the regular DS, and some on the PSP, the library of DS games that I want to play is so huge I don't think I will get through them all in a single lifetime. There are still MANY games I haven't even purchased for the system that I want to play, and some that I own but haven't even started yet. I mean, I have the entire DQ series to go through, that alone would take a very long time! The 3DS still has nothing for me, though I have to admit the XL model looks like a great piece of hardware.
As for consoles, the PS3 has the RPG's I want to play, the Xbox 360 has enough to keep me busy, and the Wii has a few good RPG's out right now if I so desire to purchase them.
The 3DS is selling because it has Mario games, Nintendo's Mario franchise is clearly strong enough to sell systems alone, and the 3DS has plenty of Mario games now and more that are coming out. The 3DS is also reaching an audience that is too young for smartphones, so the parents are buying them the 3DS so they can have something to do on the go if their parent hasn't passed down their old iPhone to their kids yet.
When I am in public my greatest need would be to play a game while waiting 10-15 min and the iPod touch fills that void just fine. If there is no wifi hotspot I can listen to music if I become bored with the games. The games can be played without wifi too.
If I need a handheld that offers more than the iPod touch the DS is just fine, it has better games than the 3DS and offers more RPG games, there isn't a single RPG on the 3DS right now that interests me, nor is there one on the horizon, and Heroes of Ruin doesn't count because I don't want to play that game. Neither the 3DS or the PS Vita offer anything for the RPG gamer like myself, while the regular DS and the PSP offer tons and at very low prices right now. The DS also offers a longer battery life, though the 3DS XL is changing that.
As others have said its all about the games, the games for me are clearly on the regular DS, and some on the PSP, the library of DS games that I want to play is so huge I don't think I will get through them all in a single lifetime. There are still MANY games I haven't even purchased for the system that I want to play, and some that I own but haven't even started yet. I mean, I have the entire DQ series to go through, that alone would take a very long time! The 3DS still has nothing for me, though I have to admit the XL model looks like a great piece of hardware.
As for consoles, the PS3 has the RPG's I want to play, the Xbox 360 has enough to keep me busy, and the Wii has a few good RPG's out right now if I so desire to purchase them.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']And thats where smart phones and tablets really hurt portables. If you don't have time/interest to play full console style games on a portable, why drop the cash on a 3DS or Vita when there are a ton of free and cheap pick up and play type games you can get on your phone? That's cheaper and you don't have to lug around another gadget to play them. [/QUOTE]
I guess that's where I have a difference of opinion. I wish I had my life back from the time I spent downloading awful free or cheap games. There is so much crap, I'd rather not waste my time filtering through to find the good stuff. That and I don't quite loath touch controls, but most of the DS games I really enjoyed had awesome SNES style controls or I enjoyed them inspite of the touch controls. People not interested in gaming may be able to fill a few minute void with crap, but any real gamer that has time that they'd like to fill up gaming needs to have a dedicated machine with real games (those people would never buy a portable w/o alternatives anyway). Plus, free games seems a little off when you have to pay $600 on an Ipad to get those free games.
I guess that's where I have a difference of opinion. I wish I had my life back from the time I spent downloading awful free or cheap games. There is so much crap, I'd rather not waste my time filtering through to find the good stuff. That and I don't quite loath touch controls, but most of the DS games I really enjoyed had awesome SNES style controls or I enjoyed them inspite of the touch controls. People not interested in gaming may be able to fill a few minute void with crap, but any real gamer that has time that they'd like to fill up gaming needs to have a dedicated machine with real games (those people would never buy a portable w/o alternatives anyway). Plus, free games seems a little off when you have to pay $600 on an Ipad to get those free games.
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[quote name='SaraAB']If I need a handheld that offers more than the iPod touch the DS is just fine, it has better games than the 3DS and offers more RPG games, there isn't a single RPG on the 3DS right now that interests me, nor is there one on the horizon, and Heroes of Ruin doesn't count because I don't want to play that game.[/QUOTE]
The flaw here is that every RPG game on the DS is also available on the 3DS. So that's why a lot of people were willing to upgrade to the 3DS. You get the new features (StreetPass, a much nicer interface, etc) while still having that big library.
Also, I already have RPGs on my 3DS backlog and hope to start at least one while at PAX. Those would be Tales of the Abyss (have the PS2 version and never played it) and Devil Survivor Overclocked (have the DS version and only played about an hour of it).
As for the whole iPhone vs. other handhelds debate, for me, the iPhone will never replace a DS/PSP type device. I do play some games on my phone - but really only when I have a short time. For example, I'm heading out now to take my son to soccer practice and I'll probably play some Angry Birds while I sit there and watch. Same thing when he went to swim practice. But it only works for me in those 20-40 minute type stretches. Anything longer like a cross-country plane flight or at night at a hotel I will want the DS/3DS.
The flaw here is that every RPG game on the DS is also available on the 3DS. So that's why a lot of people were willing to upgrade to the 3DS. You get the new features (StreetPass, a much nicer interface, etc) while still having that big library.
Also, I already have RPGs on my 3DS backlog and hope to start at least one while at PAX. Those would be Tales of the Abyss (have the PS2 version and never played it) and Devil Survivor Overclocked (have the DS version and only played about an hour of it).
As for the whole iPhone vs. other handhelds debate, for me, the iPhone will never replace a DS/PSP type device. I do play some games on my phone - but really only when I have a short time. For example, I'm heading out now to take my son to soccer practice and I'll probably play some Angry Birds while I sit there and watch. Same thing when he went to swim practice. But it only works for me in those 20-40 minute type stretches. Anything longer like a cross-country plane flight or at night at a hotel I will want the DS/3DS.
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[quote name='io']I think I covered that - I expect the 3DS to have, eventually, the sort of games the DS had that were unique to the console (and I even listed some examples). [/QUOTE]
I guess I thought I covered that too. There are bunches of DS like games on WiiWare/PSN/XboxLive. Me and my wife just got done playing Blue Toad Murder Mysteries on PSN which is alot like Layton. Heck there are even some great full scale releases like Rayman Origins, NSMB, etc.
It appears to me, your waiting for good 3DS games that are exclusive. Which is a perfectly valid reason to own a 3DS, the games. But it appears to me, there are nothing particularly "different" than console games in your game examples. For example, you say that Dragon Quest counts as different because they didn't release that specific version for consoles. That my friend is an exclusive game, not a different game. There are bunches of great JRPGs on consoles.
May be a small point, but I think its a valid point in the context that DS is something different than can be experienced in console gaming and a Vita is a portable PS3. DS has better exclusives to me is not the same as Vita is just a PS3 so DS is better.
I guess I thought I covered that too. There are bunches of DS like games on WiiWare/PSN/XboxLive. Me and my wife just got done playing Blue Toad Murder Mysteries on PSN which is alot like Layton. Heck there are even some great full scale releases like Rayman Origins, NSMB, etc.
It appears to me, your waiting for good 3DS games that are exclusive. Which is a perfectly valid reason to own a 3DS, the games. But it appears to me, there are nothing particularly "different" than console games in your game examples. For example, you say that Dragon Quest counts as different because they didn't release that specific version for consoles. That my friend is an exclusive game, not a different game. There are bunches of great JRPGs on consoles.
May be a small point, but I think its a valid point in the context that DS is something different than can be experienced in console gaming and a Vita is a portable PS3. DS has better exclusives to me is not the same as Vita is just a PS3 so DS is better.
[quote name='smallsharkbigbite']I guess that's where I have a difference of opinion. I wish I had my life back from the time I spent downloading awful free or cheap games. There is so much crap, I'd rather not waste my time filtering through to find the good stuff. That and I don't quite loath touch controls, but most of the DS games I really enjoyed had awesome SNES style controls or I enjoyed them inspite of the touch controls. People not interested in gaming may be able to fill a few minute void with crap, but any real gamer that has time that they'd like to fill up gaming needs to have a dedicated machine with real games (those people would never buy a portable w/o alternatives anyway). Plus, free games seems a little off when you have to pay $600 on an Ipad to get those free games.[/QUOTE]
The difference is I'm not anywhere near close to a hardcore gamer. I like games, but I'm lucky to put in more than 5-10 hours a week on a good week, and average less than that. I work long hours, and stay pretty busy socially with friends and the girlfriend. So my free time is pretty scarce and things like exercise, movies, sports, tv, reading, goofing online etc. take precedent over gaming for me as I find those things more relaxing than gaming (which is more interactive). So I'm fine not being called a real gamer as I simply don't have the time or interest in the hobby to be one.
And when it comes to the gaming I do partake in, I just don't have down time when I'm away from my TV an have desire to drop time into a full game on a portable as I just don't think full games are fun to play unless I have a couple hours to make solid progress. Maybe when I'm stuck on a plane or something, but then I'd rather just do some work or read something on Kindle (or Kindle app on my iPad if I didn't bring the Kindle). Otherwise I may have 5-10 minutes here and there in a waiting room or on the crapper that I may want a distraction. So something simple like Angry Birds, or taking my turns at Words/Hanging with friends fit the bill.
And as I'm not playing much, I didn't waste much time digging around for free or cheap games. I just bought a few major ones like those mentioned above, Bejeweled etc. and that's all I have on my phone/iPad.
And sure, smart phones and tablets are expensive. But most people aren't buying them with gaming as a primary reason. I have a smart phone for having web and e-mail on the go. Games, random apps etc. are just added bonuses. Similarly I bought my iPad primarily for work as I can read all my PDFs of research articles on there instead of lugging printouts back and forth from home and work, take notes in meetings on it, manage my calender etc. I also read newspapers on it a lot. I hardly ever game on it though, as I generally just have the iPhone with me when stuck waiting somewhere.
Anyway, taking a bit of free time tonight, so I'm going to quit wasting it on here and play some Skyrim.
The difference is I'm not anywhere near close to a hardcore gamer. I like games, but I'm lucky to put in more than 5-10 hours a week on a good week, and average less than that. I work long hours, and stay pretty busy socially with friends and the girlfriend. So my free time is pretty scarce and things like exercise, movies, sports, tv, reading, goofing online etc. take precedent over gaming for me as I find those things more relaxing than gaming (which is more interactive). So I'm fine not being called a real gamer as I simply don't have the time or interest in the hobby to be one.
And when it comes to the gaming I do partake in, I just don't have down time when I'm away from my TV an have desire to drop time into a full game on a portable as I just don't think full games are fun to play unless I have a couple hours to make solid progress. Maybe when I'm stuck on a plane or something, but then I'd rather just do some work or read something on Kindle (or Kindle app on my iPad if I didn't bring the Kindle). Otherwise I may have 5-10 minutes here and there in a waiting room or on the crapper that I may want a distraction. So something simple like Angry Birds, or taking my turns at Words/Hanging with friends fit the bill.
And as I'm not playing much, I didn't waste much time digging around for free or cheap games. I just bought a few major ones like those mentioned above, Bejeweled etc. and that's all I have on my phone/iPad.
And sure, smart phones and tablets are expensive. But most people aren't buying them with gaming as a primary reason. I have a smart phone for having web and e-mail on the go. Games, random apps etc. are just added bonuses. Similarly I bought my iPad primarily for work as I can read all my PDFs of research articles on there instead of lugging printouts back and forth from home and work, take notes in meetings on it, manage my calender etc. I also read newspapers on it a lot. I hardly ever game on it though, as I generally just have the iPhone with me when stuck waiting somewhere.
Anyway, taking a bit of free time tonight, so I'm going to quit wasting it on here and play some Skyrim.
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dmaul, rather than quote, I'll just ask a question. Have you ever owned a portable or were interested in one? Because if the answer is no, which I expect, than you were never in the market for either a Vita or 3DS. Thus, it's not surprising one bit that tablet/phone gaming is sufficient for you.
While you may personally have good reasons for ipad, most of the people I know simply got them for the apps.
I actually didn't mean to call you "not a real gamer". You spent lots of time telling me how great your life is, so I gather I might have offended you and I'm sorry for that. Anyone with 21,000 posts on a gaming site is clearly a "real gamer".
What I meant is, gamers that have time away from their home, whether it's:
a. traveling for work
b. going to family functions
c. working into time while watching the kids
d. whatever the reason may be
and that time is significant and they are away from a console, they would want to fill the void with real games rather than a lot of apps. You seem to indicate you don't have any time away from a console, so portable gaming for you seems to be a moot point. I actually only spend 5-10 hours a week gaming now as well. But I have a lot of times where I'm "watching the kids" so I can't be on a console, but they are somewhat self sufficient so I don't have to quite be doing everything for them, which makes a portable really appealing to me.
While you may personally have good reasons for ipad, most of the people I know simply got them for the apps.
I actually didn't mean to call you "not a real gamer". You spent lots of time telling me how great your life is, so I gather I might have offended you and I'm sorry for that. Anyone with 21,000 posts on a gaming site is clearly a "real gamer".
What I meant is, gamers that have time away from their home, whether it's:
a. traveling for work
b. going to family functions
c. working into time while watching the kids
d. whatever the reason may be
and that time is significant and they are away from a console, they would want to fill the void with real games rather than a lot of apps. You seem to indicate you don't have any time away from a console, so portable gaming for you seems to be a moot point. I actually only spend 5-10 hours a week gaming now as well. But I have a lot of times where I'm "watching the kids" so I can't be on a console, but they are somewhat self sufficient so I don't have to quite be doing everything for them, which makes a portable really appealing to me.
[quote name='smallsharkbigbite']dmaul, rather than quote, I'll just ask a question. Have you ever owned a portable or were interested in one? Because if the answer is no, which I expect, than you were never in the market for either a Vita or 3DS. Thus, it's not surprising one bit that tablet/phone gaming is sufficient for you. [/quote]
I had a GB when I was a kid, and GBA, and DS/DS Lite (upgraded) later on. As noted, I had the GBA and DS mainly for things like the Metroidvania games as there just weren't really many good 2D games on consoles any more. Now that most portable games are 3D, I don't have that reason to buy them.
True, for many it just ends up being an overpriced toy. Very useful for me as a college professor/researcher as it's super helpful to have my library of scholarly research articles all on a tablet, as well as for other things. And it kicks ass for reading newspapers as I hate reading on a computer, and newspapers suck on the Kindle.
Oh, I took no offense. I was just stating that I'm just not that seriously into gaming. If my condo burnt down I wouldn't bother replacing my game consoles. And I doubt I'll buy any next gen consoles. It's just not something I have a super high level of interest in making time for anymore. I'm focused on work and social life primarily right now, and when I have some down time I'd rather do something more passive like veg out and watch a movie or goof online on forums etc. than play a game where I have to concentrate, will get pissed off if it's difficult etc.
Hence....
....I don't have interest in gaming when away from a console. I travel a good bit for work (and long vacations in the summer) and just don't have much interest in gaming then. I'd rather catch up on work, or read some books on Kindle etc. when on a plane or stuck in a hotel.
Gaming's just something I still enjoy to some degree (much less than when I was younger) and make some time for. But I'd rather just do that on my 50" TV. I don't like games enough to sit and put hours into them on a tiny portable screen.
As for 21,000 posts on a gaming site, that's just indicative of being at a computer working a ton, and a case of internet forum addiction! I probably spend more time discussing the hobbies I have on forums related to them than I do actually participating in them! Kind of pathetic and something I should work on changing....
But as far as CAG, it's mainly the Offtopic and Vs. forums that I post in now. I still check this general gaming forum, but that's pretty much it as far as the gaming related forum areas go these days.
Anyway, I'm going to really get off here and go play some Skyrim now.
I had a GB when I was a kid, and GBA, and DS/DS Lite (upgraded) later on. As noted, I had the GBA and DS mainly for things like the Metroidvania games as there just weren't really many good 2D games on consoles any more. Now that most portable games are 3D, I don't have that reason to buy them.
True, for many it just ends up being an overpriced toy. Very useful for me as a college professor/researcher as it's super helpful to have my library of scholarly research articles all on a tablet, as well as for other things. And it kicks ass for reading newspapers as I hate reading on a computer, and newspapers suck on the Kindle.
Oh, I took no offense. I was just stating that I'm just not that seriously into gaming. If my condo burnt down I wouldn't bother replacing my game consoles. And I doubt I'll buy any next gen consoles. It's just not something I have a super high level of interest in making time for anymore. I'm focused on work and social life primarily right now, and when I have some down time I'd rather do something more passive like veg out and watch a movie or goof online on forums etc. than play a game where I have to concentrate, will get pissed off if it's difficult etc.
Hence....
....I don't have interest in gaming when away from a console. I travel a good bit for work (and long vacations in the summer) and just don't have much interest in gaming then. I'd rather catch up on work, or read some books on Kindle etc. when on a plane or stuck in a hotel.
Gaming's just something I still enjoy to some degree (much less than when I was younger) and make some time for. But I'd rather just do that on my 50" TV. I don't like games enough to sit and put hours into them on a tiny portable screen.
As for 21,000 posts on a gaming site, that's just indicative of being at a computer working a ton, and a case of internet forum addiction! I probably spend more time discussing the hobbies I have on forums related to them than I do actually participating in them! Kind of pathetic and something I should work on changing....
But as far as CAG, it's mainly the Offtopic and Vs. forums that I post in now. I still check this general gaming forum, but that's pretty much it as far as the gaming related forum areas go these days.
Anyway, I'm going to really get off here and go play some Skyrim now.
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Life changes, clearly time is more available when people are younger which typically leads to more gaming then. At least in my case, gaming seemed to peak while in college because of the environment. You seem like you've hit the next phase, so clearly your not in the market regardless of if Ipad/smartphones were a legitimate contender for gaming or not.
My point was just that I don't know how much those free/cheap games/apps affect 3ds/vita sales. I'm sure there is a slight effect, but I'm not convinced it is significant.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=169581
Here's a graph showing that 3ds sales were about a million higher than DS at this point in their lives. Does that mean I expect the 3ds to hit 150 million units like the DS? Heck no I don't. The PS2, the DS, these are systems that just hit at the perfect time and nailed the market and that doesn't happen every cycle. I don't think the 3ds is a perfect fit for the market like the ds was so I expect it to under-perform over time compared to DS performance. But sales are still really good for the unit and the 3ds will eventually hit or get close to the $100 sweet spot for portable gaming and start selling like hotcakes.
Okay, slightly exaggerated rant time. How many annual $600 Ipad upgrades does a person have to purchase to get their free apps before they think $150 for a 3DS with an 8 year life is a good deal? 8 year time frame based on DS which launched in 2004 and is still a great console to own.
My point was just that I don't know how much those free/cheap games/apps affect 3ds/vita sales. I'm sure there is a slight effect, but I'm not convinced it is significant.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=169581
Here's a graph showing that 3ds sales were about a million higher than DS at this point in their lives. Does that mean I expect the 3ds to hit 150 million units like the DS? Heck no I don't. The PS2, the DS, these are systems that just hit at the perfect time and nailed the market and that doesn't happen every cycle. I don't think the 3ds is a perfect fit for the market like the ds was so I expect it to under-perform over time compared to DS performance. But sales are still really good for the unit and the 3ds will eventually hit or get close to the $100 sweet spot for portable gaming and start selling like hotcakes.
Okay, slightly exaggerated rant time. How many annual $600 Ipad upgrades does a person have to purchase to get their free apps before they think $150 for a 3DS with an 8 year life is a good deal? 8 year time frame based on DS which launched in 2004 and is still a great console to own.
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[quote name='smallsharkbigbite']I guess I thought I covered that too. There are bunches of DS like games on WiiWare/PSN/XboxLive. Me and my wife just got done playing Blue Toad Murder Mysteries on PSN which is alot like Layton. Heck there are even some great full scale releases like Rayman Origins, NSMB, etc.
It appears to me, your waiting for good 3DS games that are exclusive. Which is a perfectly valid reason to own a 3DS, the games. But it appears to me, there are nothing particularly "different" than console games in your game examples. For example, you say that Dragon Quest counts as different because they didn't release that specific version for consoles. That my friend is an exclusive game, not a different game. There are bunches of great JRPGs on consoles.
May be a small point, but I think its a valid point in the context that DS is something different than can be experienced in console gaming and a Vita is a portable PS3. DS has better exclusives to me is not the same as Vita is just a PS3 so DS is better.[/QUOTE]
And I disagree - most of the games I played on the DS are not ones I could play on a console. I guess we just look at them differently. But I think we're talking past each other at this point.
But just to expand on my examples:
1) Professor Layton. I haven't played this Blue Toad game that you say is "like Layton" but to me the appeal of Layton is the heavy use of the stylus/touchscreen and that is not able to be replicated by any PSN game so I doubt it is like Layton in the way I think of Layton. So that is a DS-exclusive type of game. I suppose the Wii U will be able to duplicate this sort of game (as they are with Scribblenauts) but to me finger-touch gaming is not 1/10th as appealing as more precise stylus touch gaming (and another reason why I prefer the 3DS over the iPhone).
2) DQ IX. I think you didn't pick up my point. DQ VIII was far and away my favorite PS2 game. Thus this was a no-brainer as a game I had to play on the DS. The fact that there are other JPRGs on current consoles means nothing when this is the game I wanted to play - none of those plays like or has the appeal of DQ. It isn't equivalent to say that DQ IX and say, Lost Odyssey, are similar in the same manner that UC3 and UC for Vita are similar. And it is debatable how great the JRPGs have been this gen (I can't think of one besides Xenoblade which I am playing right now that compares to DQ IX). And besides, I have played many of them as well. But DQ is DQ and I had to have a DS to play it - end of story. It matters little in my eyes whether it is an exclusive game or one that can only be done on the DS/3DS - it's there and one of the reasons I prefer the DS/3DS. I put about 160 hours into DQ IX which is probably 4-6x the amount I ever spent playing my launch PSP system!
3) TWEWY - I admit, I haven't actually played this game but it is at the top of my DS backlog. But from what I understand it is pretty much dependant on the dual screens.
And I forget what else I mentioned and am too lazy to go back and look. But the point is that whether it is an exclusive game or can only be done on the DS (and I would put Layton in that category for sure) doesn't make much difference to me - it can't be played on the PS3/360/Wii. The Vita will surely have exclusive games, in any case, though probably fewer "only can be done on Vita" games. But the Vita's exclusives will probably tend more towards FPS/fighting/racing and none of those genres interest me all that much. Note that I specifically did not mention NSMB (or Rayman - not sure why you mentioned that) as a reason to own a DS because there is a console equivalent. Same with Zelda. But one I am looking forward to is Paper Mario since it is a 3DS exclusive and will probably (just guessing) have some 3DS-exclusive features making it both an exclusive and a game that could only be on the 3DS.
So, to summarize, I like the 3DS both for its ability to have unique games and for the exclusives it will be sure to have. Backwards compatibility with the huge DS library is also a big plus. All those reasons make me feel I'm in the right place owning a 3DS and not yet a Vita.
However, when LBP comes out for the Vita I might have to get one regardless of everything I've said up to this point...
It appears to me, your waiting for good 3DS games that are exclusive. Which is a perfectly valid reason to own a 3DS, the games. But it appears to me, there are nothing particularly "different" than console games in your game examples. For example, you say that Dragon Quest counts as different because they didn't release that specific version for consoles. That my friend is an exclusive game, not a different game. There are bunches of great JRPGs on consoles.
May be a small point, but I think its a valid point in the context that DS is something different than can be experienced in console gaming and a Vita is a portable PS3. DS has better exclusives to me is not the same as Vita is just a PS3 so DS is better.[/QUOTE]
And I disagree - most of the games I played on the DS are not ones I could play on a console. I guess we just look at them differently. But I think we're talking past each other at this point
.But just to expand on my examples:
1) Professor Layton. I haven't played this Blue Toad game that you say is "like Layton" but to me the appeal of Layton is the heavy use of the stylus/touchscreen and that is not able to be replicated by any PSN game so I doubt it is like Layton in the way I think of Layton. So that is a DS-exclusive type of game. I suppose the Wii U will be able to duplicate this sort of game (as they are with Scribblenauts) but to me finger-touch gaming is not 1/10th as appealing as more precise stylus touch gaming (and another reason why I prefer the 3DS over the iPhone).
2) DQ IX. I think you didn't pick up my point. DQ VIII was far and away my favorite PS2 game. Thus this was a no-brainer as a game I had to play on the DS. The fact that there are other JPRGs on current consoles means nothing when this is the game I wanted to play - none of those plays like or has the appeal of DQ. It isn't equivalent to say that DQ IX and say, Lost Odyssey, are similar in the same manner that UC3 and UC for Vita are similar. And it is debatable how great the JRPGs have been this gen (I can't think of one besides Xenoblade which I am playing right now that compares to DQ IX). And besides, I have played many of them as well. But DQ is DQ and I had to have a DS to play it - end of story. It matters little in my eyes whether it is an exclusive game or one that can only be done on the DS/3DS - it's there and one of the reasons I prefer the DS/3DS. I put about 160 hours into DQ IX which is probably 4-6x the amount I ever spent playing my launch PSP system!
3) TWEWY - I admit, I haven't actually played this game but it is at the top of my DS backlog. But from what I understand it is pretty much dependant on the dual screens.
And I forget what else I mentioned and am too lazy to go back and look
. But the point is that whether it is an exclusive game or can only be done on the DS (and I would put Layton in that category for sure) doesn't make much difference to me - it can't be played on the PS3/360/Wii. The Vita will surely have exclusive games, in any case, though probably fewer "only can be done on Vita" games. But the Vita's exclusives will probably tend more towards FPS/fighting/racing and none of those genres interest me all that much. Note that I specifically did not mention NSMB (or Rayman - not sure why you mentioned that) as a reason to own a DS because there is a console equivalent. Same with Zelda. But one I am looking forward to is Paper Mario since it is a 3DS exclusive and will probably (just guessing) have some 3DS-exclusive features making it both an exclusive and a game that could only be on the 3DS.So, to summarize, I like the 3DS both for its ability to have unique games and for the exclusives it will be sure to have. Backwards compatibility with the huge DS library is also a big plus. All those reasons make me feel I'm in the right place owning a 3DS and not yet a Vita.
However, when LBP comes out for the Vita I might have to get one regardless of everything I've said up to this point...
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Ninty games just translate better to the short burst small screen world of handheld games.
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[quote name='io']As for the Vita, when LBP comes out for it I might have to get one reagrdless of everything I've said up to this point...[/QUOTE]
You should also look up Tearaway...Vita-exclusive game from the LBP-dev's that looks to really utilize the Vita. It looks like the perfect example of a game that exists on the Vita that couldn't exist anywhere else.
Personally, I'm less concerned with could the game exist anywhere else and more concerned with does it. There's not much preventing Pokemon from existing on a web-enabled Wii, but it never happened. As such, if I want to catch and raise Pokemon, I'm doing it on a DS. Similarly for Patapon or Okamiden.
Either way, if a good game exists, I don't really care if it's portable or console. Most games worth playing are capable of fully locking me into the game itself where I stop noticing or caring about what screen I'm looking at.
You should also look up Tearaway...Vita-exclusive game from the LBP-dev's that looks to really utilize the Vita. It looks like the perfect example of a game that exists on the Vita that couldn't exist anywhere else.
Personally, I'm less concerned with could the game exist anywhere else and more concerned with does it. There's not much preventing Pokemon from existing on a web-enabled Wii, but it never happened. As such, if I want to catch and raise Pokemon, I'm doing it on a DS. Similarly for Patapon or Okamiden.
Either way, if a good game exists, I don't really care if it's portable or console. Most games worth playing are capable of fully locking me into the game itself where I stop noticing or caring about what screen I'm looking at.
Bored of Skyrim for the night...
[quote name='smallsharkbigbite']Life changes, clearly time is more available when people are younger which typically leads to more gaming then. At least in my case, gaming seemed to peak while in college because of the environment.
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Life definitely changes. But gaming was never my number 1 hobby, so it's always been the one that gets short changed when I get busy. But it's not just shrinking time, I'm just not as interested in gaming as I was in the past and have other things I enjoy more these days.
As far as life phases, I probably gamed the most in middle school and high school. I grew up out in the sticks, so not much else to do! That was primarily SNES and N64/PS1 era for me. I played a good bit of NES stuff before that, but was more busy playing little league etc. during that era.
College was middle of the N64/PS1 and into the Dreamcast/PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era. Still gamed a lot, but not as much as before college since there were parties to go to and more social outings in general, more time spent on classwork, work and so on.
Grad school was a mixed bag. Didn't game much early on as I was sick fo the Gamecube/PS2/Xbox mostly at that point. Then I got a Wii as I couldn't afford a 360 or PS3 at launch prices on a grad student budget. Didn't care much for the Wii so I didn't game much for a while. Got a 360 after some price drops and then gamed a lot the latter part of grad school.
Since finishing it's just been sporadic gaming. Play a good bit for a couple months (namely in the summer when I'm not teaching on top of all my other work obligations) alternated with months of not gaming much.
Not totally true. I have been tempted to get a 3DS for stuff like Super Mario 3D land, NSMB2 etc. But I just realize I'd rather play on the big screen at home, have a backlog of 360/PS3/Wii games to get through, and have my iPhone and iPad to game on the toilet and when traveling so I'd probably never finish those games. If I didn't have the phone or tablet I'd probably have bought a 3DS since $180 isn't a big deal. It would probably gather dust, but I'd probably have bought one when Super Mario 3D land was out (or before my first long trip after it came out). But I was able to talk myself out of it by rationalizing that I wouldn't play it enough and could just play stuff on my iPad if I really wanted to game while out of town.
To be fair, I said earlier that I think the smartphone/tablet boom has hurt the Vita more than the 3DS. Nintendo will always thrive on the kid market, and their army of fanboys who can never get enough of mario, metroid, zelda et al.
But I can't help but think there are a decent amount of adults like me who grew up gaming who might buy something like the Vita to occupy time on flights etc. if we didn't have our smart phones and tablets to talk us out of it. By that I mean that if we didn't already own gadgets we bought for other reasons that could fill on the go gaming urges, maybe we'd buy something like the Vita (even if it would likely just gather dust!). I'd be more apt to get a 3DS just because of Nintendo's franchises and not being a big fan of Sony's franchises or japanese developed games (outside of Nintendo) much in general.
Again, it's not going to affect the serious/real gamers you talk about who travel a lot. Those are the niche of hardcore gamers who portable gaming appeals to that I referred to in earlier posts. I agree with you there. I just don't think that's a super huge market. People who travel a ton are probably working a shit ton. And such people aren't likely to be hardcore into gaming (or any hobby) due to lack of time.
Again, who buys an iPad for free games? Everyone I know that's bought one has got if for things like having a very thin, lightweight gadget for web browsing and email on the go, reading PDFs etc. Mainly people who don't need a laptop for work on the go are buying them as a more portable device for internet use away from home because the web on smart phones sucks.
And a 3DS at $180 is a good deal if one would actually play it. Nothing's a good deal if you let it gather dust. My iPad is probably the best $600 I ever spent as I've used it for at least an hour or two every day since I got it around a year and a half ago.
And I don't know many who upgrade annually. Plenty of people still rocking iPad 1s. I skipped that model as I wanted a webcam for video calls, but I'm still on my iPad 2. Had no interest in upgrading to the HD one, and doubt they can add anything next spring to make me upgrade. My iPad 2 is 100% fine for the things I do with it. Doubt I'll upgrade before the battery stops holding a charge.
[quote name='smallsharkbigbite']Life changes, clearly time is more available when people are younger which typically leads to more gaming then. At least in my case, gaming seemed to peak while in college because of the environment.
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Life definitely changes. But gaming was never my number 1 hobby, so it's always been the one that gets short changed when I get busy. But it's not just shrinking time, I'm just not as interested in gaming as I was in the past and have other things I enjoy more these days.
As far as life phases, I probably gamed the most in middle school and high school. I grew up out in the sticks, so not much else to do! That was primarily SNES and N64/PS1 era for me. I played a good bit of NES stuff before that, but was more busy playing little league etc. during that era.
College was middle of the N64/PS1 and into the Dreamcast/PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era. Still gamed a lot, but not as much as before college since there were parties to go to and more social outings in general, more time spent on classwork, work and so on.
Grad school was a mixed bag. Didn't game much early on as I was sick fo the Gamecube/PS2/Xbox mostly at that point. Then I got a Wii as I couldn't afford a 360 or PS3 at launch prices on a grad student budget. Didn't care much for the Wii so I didn't game much for a while. Got a 360 after some price drops and then gamed a lot the latter part of grad school.
Since finishing it's just been sporadic gaming. Play a good bit for a couple months (namely in the summer when I'm not teaching on top of all my other work obligations) alternated with months of not gaming much.
Not totally true. I have been tempted to get a 3DS for stuff like Super Mario 3D land, NSMB2 etc. But I just realize I'd rather play on the big screen at home, have a backlog of 360/PS3/Wii games to get through, and have my iPhone and iPad to game on the toilet and when traveling so I'd probably never finish those games. If I didn't have the phone or tablet I'd probably have bought a 3DS since $180 isn't a big deal. It would probably gather dust, but I'd probably have bought one when Super Mario 3D land was out (or before my first long trip after it came out). But I was able to talk myself out of it by rationalizing that I wouldn't play it enough and could just play stuff on my iPad if I really wanted to game while out of town.
To be fair, I said earlier that I think the smartphone/tablet boom has hurt the Vita more than the 3DS. Nintendo will always thrive on the kid market, and their army of fanboys who can never get enough of mario, metroid, zelda et al.
But I can't help but think there are a decent amount of adults like me who grew up gaming who might buy something like the Vita to occupy time on flights etc. if we didn't have our smart phones and tablets to talk us out of it. By that I mean that if we didn't already own gadgets we bought for other reasons that could fill on the go gaming urges, maybe we'd buy something like the Vita (even if it would likely just gather dust!). I'd be more apt to get a 3DS just because of Nintendo's franchises and not being a big fan of Sony's franchises or japanese developed games (outside of Nintendo) much in general.
Again, it's not going to affect the serious/real gamers you talk about who travel a lot. Those are the niche of hardcore gamers who portable gaming appeals to that I referred to in earlier posts. I agree with you there. I just don't think that's a super huge market. People who travel a ton are probably working a shit ton. And such people aren't likely to be hardcore into gaming (or any hobby) due to lack of time.
Again, who buys an iPad for free games? Everyone I know that's bought one has got if for things like having a very thin, lightweight gadget for web browsing and email on the go, reading PDFs etc. Mainly people who don't need a laptop for work on the go are buying them as a more portable device for internet use away from home because the web on smart phones sucks.
And a 3DS at $180 is a good deal if one would actually play it. Nothing's a good deal if you let it gather dust. My iPad is probably the best $600 I ever spent as I've used it for at least an hour or two every day since I got it around a year and a half ago.
And I don't know many who upgrade annually. Plenty of people still rocking iPad 1s. I skipped that model as I wanted a webcam for video calls, but I'm still on my iPad 2. Had no interest in upgrading to the HD one, and doubt they can add anything next spring to make me upgrade. My iPad 2 is 100% fine for the things I do with it. Doubt I'll upgrade before the battery stops holding a charge.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']While true, most people aren't playing Call of Duty or Skyrim or Uncharted in short five to ten minute bursts even if they can save anywhere. I never fire up a console game unless I have at least a solid hour or two as most games just aren't fun in short bursts with just getting through a couple checkpoints in an FPS game or part of a quest in an rpg or a couple levels in a Mario game. Thats just not satisfying. [/QUOTE]
That may be how you like to play but I find that 15-25 mintutes is enough for most games and a handheld does that very well.
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Thus the 3DS lead can really be explained by the kid/family friendly angle and their long dominance of that market. The Vita is problem even with, or even ahead of, the 3DS among adult gamers as both will just sell to that niche of hardcore gamers interested in playing traditional games on a portable.[/QUOTE]
That may explain the DS's success but I don't think it explains the 3DS sales. The GBA sold 80 million units and few games where targeted at the kid/family angle. It's unlikely that 80 million people wanted to play real games on a handheld 10 years ago but now they don't.
That may be how you like to play but I find that 15-25 mintutes is enough for most games and a handheld does that very well.
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Thus the 3DS lead can really be explained by the kid/family friendly angle and their long dominance of that market. The Vita is problem even with, or even ahead of, the 3DS among adult gamers as both will just sell to that niche of hardcore gamers interested in playing traditional games on a portable.[/QUOTE]
That may explain the DS's success but I don't think it explains the 3DS sales. The GBA sold 80 million units and few games where targeted at the kid/family angle. It's unlikely that 80 million people wanted to play real games on a handheld 10 years ago but now they don't.
[quote name='itachiitachi']That may explain the DS's success but I don't think it explains the 3DS sales. The GBA sold 80 million units and few games where targeted at the kid/family angle. It's unlikely that 80 million people wanted to play real games on a handheld 10 years ago but now they don't.[/QUOTE]
All Nintendo franchises are aimed to appeal to kids/parents. I wasn't talking things like edutainment games, just things like all the Mario games. Kid friendly games that appeal to parents deciding what system to buy their children, not games that are only for kids like edutainment, or crappy licensed games based on cartoons etc. A huge chunk of GBA sales were to kids, just like the DS you saw kids gaming on them all the time in airports etc. Sales have simply increased over time as gaming has gotten more and more popular and every segment of the market has gotten bigger.
Also, like I said, I wanted to play real games on handhelds years ago as I was more into gaming, could get 2D games on handhelds that were scarce etc. But now have no interest in them. And a lot of my friends who were big gamers back in high school and college don't even game at all now. The few who do also just have consoles and no portables now, despite us having played games like Mario Kart on GBA/DS in the past with system link and so on. Someone has to be super into gaming, and have a lot of time they can't play on a console/tv to really want a portable as an adult.
So I think that just makes it harder to sell a portable like the Vita that's offering a console like experience that's marketed to older gamers rather than kids as the primary audience. The niche of adults who are into gaming enough to want a portable just isn't as large as Nintendo's market of kids/families and long time fans who love Mario/Metroid/Zelda. Thus Nintendo is going to always dominate the handheld market.
That's not a knock on the Vita, just an explanation for why it (and the PSP before it) couldn't outsell Nintendo's offerings. The Nintendo offerings get the huge kid market, and some adult gamers who game enough to want a portable and love Nintendo franchises. The Sony offerings only get the adult gamers who game enough to want a portable, and a smaller chunk of the kid market (mainly older kids) who's parents by them one instead (or in addition to) a Nintendo portable.
All Nintendo franchises are aimed to appeal to kids/parents. I wasn't talking things like edutainment games, just things like all the Mario games. Kid friendly games that appeal to parents deciding what system to buy their children, not games that are only for kids like edutainment, or crappy licensed games based on cartoons etc. A huge chunk of GBA sales were to kids, just like the DS you saw kids gaming on them all the time in airports etc. Sales have simply increased over time as gaming has gotten more and more popular and every segment of the market has gotten bigger.
Also, like I said, I wanted to play real games on handhelds years ago as I was more into gaming, could get 2D games on handhelds that were scarce etc. But now have no interest in them. And a lot of my friends who were big gamers back in high school and college don't even game at all now. The few who do also just have consoles and no portables now, despite us having played games like Mario Kart on GBA/DS in the past with system link and so on. Someone has to be super into gaming, and have a lot of time they can't play on a console/tv to really want a portable as an adult.
So I think that just makes it harder to sell a portable like the Vita that's offering a console like experience that's marketed to older gamers rather than kids as the primary audience. The niche of adults who are into gaming enough to want a portable just isn't as large as Nintendo's market of kids/families and long time fans who love Mario/Metroid/Zelda. Thus Nintendo is going to always dominate the handheld market.
That's not a knock on the Vita, just an explanation for why it (and the PSP before it) couldn't outsell Nintendo's offerings. The Nintendo offerings get the huge kid market, and some adult gamers who game enough to want a portable and love Nintendo franchises. The Sony offerings only get the adult gamers who game enough to want a portable, and a smaller chunk of the kid market (mainly older kids) who's parents by them one instead (or in addition to) a Nintendo portable.
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[quote name='blitz6speed']I want to buy a 3DS, but the games are pretty trashy (bunch of console style games and ports), the system is region locked, and its just got so much mario this and mario that. Its basically the most phoned home system of all time for nintendo, and thats pretty sad. Also, the hardware is pure crap with the cheapest build quality ive ever seen, even the xl feels like a toy and looks like one. The screen scratching issue happens on the just released XL as well, so no way im buying a defective product from nintendo.
I also want to buy a Vita, but the memory card prices are what stopped me so far. Id love a 32 gig vita setup for 250, id dive in immediately. At least with the vita you know you're getting good hardware that doesnt look like its meant for a 5 year old child, but the price is up there and the game selection needs more games.
As to why people are buying a 3DS, its easy enough, they're expecting another DS in terms of software/support, but its going to end up being abandoned by most major publishers other then in japan only. Most people out there do not need a portable gaming only system for 200 bucks with 40 buck games, their smart phones and free/1-5 buck games do them just fine. The age of portables in the west are done and over with.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you've been ingesting your AXE body spray.
I also want to buy a Vita, but the memory card prices are what stopped me so far. Id love a 32 gig vita setup for 250, id dive in immediately. At least with the vita you know you're getting good hardware that doesnt look like its meant for a 5 year old child, but the price is up there and the game selection needs more games.
As to why people are buying a 3DS, its easy enough, they're expecting another DS in terms of software/support, but its going to end up being abandoned by most major publishers other then in japan only. Most people out there do not need a portable gaming only system for 200 bucks with 40 buck games, their smart phones and free/1-5 buck games do them just fine. The age of portables in the west are done and over with.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you've been ingesting your AXE body spray.
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[quote name='io']The flaw here is that every RPG game on the DS is also available on the 3DS. So that's why a lot of people were willing to upgrade to the 3DS. You get the new features (StreetPass, a much nicer interface, etc) while still having that big library.
Also, I already have RPGs on my 3DS backlog and hope to start at least one while at PAX. Those would be Tales of the Abyss (have the PS2 version and never played it) and Devil Survivor Overclocked (have the DS version and only played about an hour of it).
As for the whole iPhone vs. other handhelds debate, for me, the iPhone will never replace a DS/PSP type device. I do play some games on my phone - but really only when I have a short time. For example, I'm heading out now to take my son to soccer practice and I'll probably play some Angry Birds while I sit there and watch. Same thing when he went to swim practice. But it only works for me in those 20-40 minute type stretches. Anything longer like a cross-country plane flight or at night at a hotel I will want the DS/3DS.[/QUOTE]
I could play Tales of the Abyss on the PS2 and it would only cost me like $25 at GS, I really wouldn't want to invest in a system just to play one game, especially one that I can get on another system. Buying a game for 2 systems and not playing either is just silly, or buying a game for one system, not playing it, then buying it for another is also silly, unless you happen to get the games very cheaply like a dollar or so each.
I don't travel a lot, nor do I take public transportation, if I am on an hour car ride and not driving, the iPod touch does well with music. Plus I don't have to worry about trying to see the screen of a portable while in the car which is basically impossible to do unless you have the original GBA. I suppose if I really think I need to play a game in a car then I am bringing an original GBA not a SP because that is the system that can be seen in sunlight or in a car the best. Maybe a kindle would work well too, I have one coming in the mail that I won in a contest so I will be able to test that out soon.
However the cross here is that the battery of the iPod touch is absolutely abysmal, and really won't last you for more than an hour of gaming. Thus a DS system or another handheld is necessary. The touch can last longer for music, but I must have the lyrics in front of me while listening, so its less for me, though that is the reason I bought the touch, to have a lyrics display. Though I can manage without the lyrics if I am in a car.
Once again though, I rarely find myself in situations where I am playing for more than an hour straight in public. My hands would start to hurt after about 2 hours of play even if I was on a boring plane ride or something, and I don't plan on flying anytime soon that is for sure.
If my games play on the DS and there aren't any 3DS games I want to play then I see no reason to upgrade, the 3DS also makes DS games look worse, and I absolutely hate playing with black borders around the screen. If I did get a 3DS I know it would collect dust while I play my DSi, my games work on the DSi, so I see no reason to upgrade.
The Vita and 3DS are really designed for those that travel and perhaps those that have an hour or 2 train ride to work or some other type of work commute where they are not driving every day or those who fly frequently. An iPad would probably suit this need as well because it has longer battery life, though I am not sure how well it holds up with games. That is not me. In this situation it would be impossible to use a smartphone for gaming because the battery would be dead by the time you got to work, and that would not be good. Also the games wouldn't be enough to keep you occupied for 2 hours every day, they are designed for bursts of up to 30 min of play per game I would say. You would become bored quickly. Second of all if you needed your phone for something else then you wouldn't be able to use it because the battery would be dead. For the cost of a portable USB charger pack you could buy a DS Lite or DSi and a couple games...
Streetpass is going to be very useless in my area, so I am not even bothering. I also don't want to have to carry more electronics in my purse every day, which is exactly what the 3DS would make me do because if I obtained the 3DS I know I would want to take it everywhere just to see if I would get hits. This kind of fun that Nintendo implements just doesn't work for me and its very frustrating. I do know people who have a 3DS, they put the Mario game in the system and play, they don't do anything with the extra features. These people also become bored with the system quickly, and are left hanging until the next big game comes out after they finish a game or get sick of it, then they are stuck paying $40 for the next game. So they buy a game, play it for a few days, put it down and generally don't touch the system until the next big game comes out when the same exact thing happens. Streetpass also has to be turned on, and the system has to be on when you pass it, which it is not automatically, so half the 3DS owning kids around here or more either don't know about it, don't care about it or have not turned it on. Most people also shut the system off when they are done, so if I happen to walk past a kid with a 3DS that is not turned on, no pass for me, walk by a kid who is playing a 3DS who doesn't have streetpass turned on, no pass for me. Yes I might get lucky, but its more than likely to cause unbelievable frustration for me, the same way that Pokemon and the DQ series has with similar functionality. I don't live near any big metropolitan city, and I don't live NYC so I can't hang out at the Nintendo store for passes, and I don't have the time or money to travel to an anime convention, and there are none near me.
Also, I already have RPGs on my 3DS backlog and hope to start at least one while at PAX. Those would be Tales of the Abyss (have the PS2 version and never played it) and Devil Survivor Overclocked (have the DS version and only played about an hour of it).
As for the whole iPhone vs. other handhelds debate, for me, the iPhone will never replace a DS/PSP type device. I do play some games on my phone - but really only when I have a short time. For example, I'm heading out now to take my son to soccer practice and I'll probably play some Angry Birds while I sit there and watch. Same thing when he went to swim practice. But it only works for me in those 20-40 minute type stretches. Anything longer like a cross-country plane flight or at night at a hotel I will want the DS/3DS.[/QUOTE]
I could play Tales of the Abyss on the PS2 and it would only cost me like $25 at GS, I really wouldn't want to invest in a system just to play one game, especially one that I can get on another system. Buying a game for 2 systems and not playing either is just silly, or buying a game for one system, not playing it, then buying it for another is also silly, unless you happen to get the games very cheaply like a dollar or so each.
I don't travel a lot, nor do I take public transportation, if I am on an hour car ride and not driving, the iPod touch does well with music. Plus I don't have to worry about trying to see the screen of a portable while in the car which is basically impossible to do unless you have the original GBA. I suppose if I really think I need to play a game in a car then I am bringing an original GBA not a SP because that is the system that can be seen in sunlight or in a car the best. Maybe a kindle would work well too, I have one coming in the mail that I won in a contest so I will be able to test that out soon.
However the cross here is that the battery of the iPod touch is absolutely abysmal, and really won't last you for more than an hour of gaming. Thus a DS system or another handheld is necessary. The touch can last longer for music, but I must have the lyrics in front of me while listening, so its less for me, though that is the reason I bought the touch, to have a lyrics display. Though I can manage without the lyrics if I am in a car.
Once again though, I rarely find myself in situations where I am playing for more than an hour straight in public. My hands would start to hurt after about 2 hours of play even if I was on a boring plane ride or something, and I don't plan on flying anytime soon that is for sure.
If my games play on the DS and there aren't any 3DS games I want to play then I see no reason to upgrade, the 3DS also makes DS games look worse, and I absolutely hate playing with black borders around the screen. If I did get a 3DS I know it would collect dust while I play my DSi, my games work on the DSi, so I see no reason to upgrade.
The Vita and 3DS are really designed for those that travel and perhaps those that have an hour or 2 train ride to work or some other type of work commute where they are not driving every day or those who fly frequently. An iPad would probably suit this need as well because it has longer battery life, though I am not sure how well it holds up with games. That is not me. In this situation it would be impossible to use a smartphone for gaming because the battery would be dead by the time you got to work, and that would not be good. Also the games wouldn't be enough to keep you occupied for 2 hours every day, they are designed for bursts of up to 30 min of play per game I would say. You would become bored quickly. Second of all if you needed your phone for something else then you wouldn't be able to use it because the battery would be dead. For the cost of a portable USB charger pack you could buy a DS Lite or DSi and a couple games...
Streetpass is going to be very useless in my area, so I am not even bothering. I also don't want to have to carry more electronics in my purse every day, which is exactly what the 3DS would make me do because if I obtained the 3DS I know I would want to take it everywhere just to see if I would get hits. This kind of fun that Nintendo implements just doesn't work for me and its very frustrating. I do know people who have a 3DS, they put the Mario game in the system and play, they don't do anything with the extra features. These people also become bored with the system quickly, and are left hanging until the next big game comes out after they finish a game or get sick of it, then they are stuck paying $40 for the next game. So they buy a game, play it for a few days, put it down and generally don't touch the system until the next big game comes out when the same exact thing happens. Streetpass also has to be turned on, and the system has to be on when you pass it, which it is not automatically, so half the 3DS owning kids around here or more either don't know about it, don't care about it or have not turned it on. Most people also shut the system off when they are done, so if I happen to walk past a kid with a 3DS that is not turned on, no pass for me, walk by a kid who is playing a 3DS who doesn't have streetpass turned on, no pass for me. Yes I might get lucky, but its more than likely to cause unbelievable frustration for me, the same way that Pokemon and the DQ series has with similar functionality. I don't live near any big metropolitan city, and I don't live NYC so I can't hang out at the Nintendo store for passes, and I don't have the time or money to travel to an anime convention, and there are none near me.
[quote name='SaraAB']In this situation it would be impossible to use a smartphone for gaming because the battery would be dead by the time you got to work, and that would not be good.
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I really wonder if you have a defective iPod touch. I have the iPhone 4s I'm I'm constantly texting, playing words with friends and other simple games, checking Facebook, checking news and other things that have the screen on and involve use of the touch screen) through out the day and seldom have issues with having to charge before going to bed. Besides that, even on older smart phones where battery life was an issue people just kept a charger in the office so they could top it back off in the middle of the day.
In any case, I can definitely play a game for way more than an hour without the battery dying. I may lose 20% if I game constantly for an hour as I have sometimes when bored and sucked into Bejeweled.
Definitely true, but the advantage of smartphone/tablet is you can do more than game. If I'm on a plane or whatever I'm mostly reading--PDFs of research articles, newspapers, books in my Kindle app etc. But can also play some Angry Birds or whatever too.
But you're right that it's not an option for a hardcore gamer who wants to play games for a whole trip etc. of course. That's the niche of adult hardcore gamers who have down time on the go and thus can really benefit from a Vita or 3DS and couldn't get buy with a phone/tablet.
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I really wonder if you have a defective iPod touch. I have the iPhone 4s I'm I'm constantly texting, playing words with friends and other simple games, checking Facebook, checking news and other things that have the screen on and involve use of the touch screen) through out the day and seldom have issues with having to charge before going to bed. Besides that, even on older smart phones where battery life was an issue people just kept a charger in the office so they could top it back off in the middle of the day.
In any case, I can definitely play a game for way more than an hour without the battery dying. I may lose 20% if I game constantly for an hour as I have sometimes when bored and sucked into Bejeweled.
Definitely true, but the advantage of smartphone/tablet is you can do more than game. If I'm on a plane or whatever I'm mostly reading--PDFs of research articles, newspapers, books in my Kindle app etc. But can also play some Angry Birds or whatever too.
But you're right that it's not an option for a hardcore gamer who wants to play games for a whole trip etc. of course. That's the niche of adult hardcore gamers who have down time on the go and thus can really benefit from a Vita or 3DS and couldn't get buy with a phone/tablet.
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[quote name='SaraAB'] The touch can last longer for music, but I must have the lyrics in front of me while listening, so its less for me, though that is the reason I bought the touch, to have a lyrics display. Though I can manage without the lyrics if I am in a car.[/QUOTE]
Wait, what? I've never heard of anyone doing that if you're saying what I think you are.
I just wanted to also throw out there that I use my 3DS/Vita at home nearly as much as my PS3. If I'm in bed, I'm totally gaming on one of the portables if I want to play something.
Wait, what? I've never heard of anyone doing that if you're saying what I think you are.
I just wanted to also throw out there that I use my 3DS/Vita at home nearly as much as my PS3. If I'm in bed, I'm totally gaming on one of the portables if I want to play something.
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[quote name='OrangeArmy']Sounds like you've been ingesting your AXE body spray.[/QUOTE]
You sure showed me.
You sure showed me.
[quote name='Mixer236']Wait, what? I've never heard of anyone doing that if you're saying what I think you are.
I just wanted to also throw out there that I use my 3DS/Vita at home nearly as much as my PS3. If I'm in bed, I'm totally gaming on one of the portables if I want to play something.[/QUOTE]
The touch depletes battery MUCH faster than the iPhone, its not the same device at all. Heck 20 min on facetime would probably knock my battery down to 20%.
Really... no one ever looks at the lyrics while listening to music... I find that hard to believe.
I haven't tried an iPad yet, but if you were doing 2-3 hour commutes every day then you might want to have more than one portable electronic device in your arsenal no matter what it is. I am thinking the kindle would be really great since its battery lasts so long and you can see it even in sunlight. I do believe this type of commute is rare in the USA though, so its a bit harder for those to justify a purchase if they don't have the commute, and is more prevalent in countries like Japan and Europe to some extent, which is why playing a portable games console as an adult over there is looked down upon much less than it is in the USA.
The coolness factor plays into it only a little bit for me though, because I don't really care what others think of me, and I have no real life friends, so I don't have to worry about my peers looking down on me, but really at my age this should not be happening. I would hope by the time people get to my age that how you look when you play your electronics is the least of your worries. Doesn't help though that the ONLY people I have seen in public with a 3DS are children under 8 years old, used to be a bit better with the other systems, but this one is clearly a kids device. Everyone else, well they have a smartphone or an iPod touch at the very least, if they don't have that then the iPad is all the rage. Everyone says the touch is for kids, but I see tons of adults with them. Prepaid cell phone and iPod touch is the way to go.
I just wanted to also throw out there that I use my 3DS/Vita at home nearly as much as my PS3. If I'm in bed, I'm totally gaming on one of the portables if I want to play something.[/QUOTE]
The touch depletes battery MUCH faster than the iPhone, its not the same device at all. Heck 20 min on facetime would probably knock my battery down to 20%.
Really... no one ever looks at the lyrics while listening to music... I find that hard to believe.
I haven't tried an iPad yet, but if you were doing 2-3 hour commutes every day then you might want to have more than one portable electronic device in your arsenal no matter what it is. I am thinking the kindle would be really great since its battery lasts so long and you can see it even in sunlight. I do believe this type of commute is rare in the USA though, so its a bit harder for those to justify a purchase if they don't have the commute, and is more prevalent in countries like Japan and Europe to some extent, which is why playing a portable games console as an adult over there is looked down upon much less than it is in the USA.
The coolness factor plays into it only a little bit for me though, because I don't really care what others think of me, and I have no real life friends, so I don't have to worry about my peers looking down on me, but really at my age this should not be happening. I would hope by the time people get to my age that how you look when you play your electronics is the least of your worries. Doesn't help though that the ONLY people I have seen in public with a 3DS are children under 8 years old, used to be a bit better with the other systems, but this one is clearly a kids device. Everyone else, well they have a smartphone or an iPod touch at the very least, if they don't have that then the iPad is all the rage. Everyone says the touch is for kids, but I see tons of adults with them. Prepaid cell phone and iPod touch is the way to go.
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[quote name='blitz6speed']You sure showed me.[/QUOTE]
You're right blitz, I was being lazy. Let me try again.
[quote name='blitz6speed']I want to buy a 3DS, but [/QUOTE]
That's funny, because you spend the rest of this post trying to convince yourself that you don't. Reminds me of "I'm not racist, but -insert racist comment here-".
You're right blitz, I was being lazy. Let me try again.
[quote name='blitz6speed']I want to buy a 3DS, but [/QUOTE]
That's funny, because you spend the rest of this post trying to convince yourself that you don't. Reminds me of "I'm not racist, but -insert racist comment here-".
By trashy console style games do you mean ones with 20+ hours gameplay? Replayability? Fleshed out characters and story? Engaging multiplayer? High production values? AAA franchises? Games worth more than $1? By this logic, it would seem the perfect fit for you would be an iPhone or a vintage gameboy. Vita has even more ports of console style games than 3DS, yet you cite it's memory costs as the reason you're not getting one? Lol wut?
Have you ever owned a Nintendo system before? Were you expecting LBP or Cockpuncher 7? Why would you want a 3DS then?
And it eats reeses pieces, befriends earth boys, and can heal you with a poke? Sounds pretty cool to me. That should offset the disappointment of not inventing entire new genres of gameplay just for you.
Sadder than someone choosing a fast food logo to represent themselves in an avatar on a gaming forum?
The cheapest you've ever seen? If at the ripe old age of (by your logic, sentance structure and repeatedly stated need to look cool while gaming I'm going to take a wild guess) 15 I'm sure you've seen a lot! So, the poor saps who bought all these broken, Mexican made turds must be returning them in droves! Forget red ring of death, now there's the...yellow blinker of...oh never mind. You just sound like an idiot. An Aventador is a toy. A 10 million dollar boat is a toy. What's wrong with toys? If you really want to look cool, get yourself a nice black trench coat, a neck tattoo and a spray tan. Everyone will be too distracted with how cool you look to notice you're playing with a toy.
Like hell you say! Screen protectors are $5.00. Put mine on the day I bought it to protect my investment. You can't even tell it's there when playing.
Not becasue of the trashy console stye games and ports? When you say you know you're getting good hardware, what do you mean? If you mean impressive specs, I'll give you that, and ok; it does look pretty bad ass. I'm sure the girls will be lining up to S your D when they see you playing a Vita, cuz you're like, so mature and stuff and like, so not into little kid things and junk, and oh my god your trench coat and sparkle boots are like, so freakin edgy? OMG and, stuff?
This statement is Michael Patcher stupid. Evidence, or STFU. 3DS has sold more than the DS did in it's first year. Pokemon, Smash Bros and Monster Hunter aren't even out yet (not to mention metroid, animal crossing, castlevania, etc, derp dee derp). You sound like a butt hurt psp owner. You're right about the DS kicking all sorts of ass though.
Gaming is a luxury, an expensive (less so thanks to sites like this) hobby, not a need. Most people are not gamers and will be happy with Angry Birds. Well said.
More Michael Patcher Stupid. You are not the first person to count out Nintendo and won't be the last - people much more informed than you have been doing it and embarrassing themselves since the N64.
You're welcome. And if I ever need a lesson in mouth breathing, counting to potato or looking uber cool, I now know who to ask.
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I haven't tried an iPad yet, but if you were doing 2-3 hour commutes every day then you might want to have more than one portable electronic device in your arsenal no matter what it is.[/QUOTE]
I travel a decent amount for work and vacation (not daily commute, but fly somewhere at least 10-15 times most years). I always have my iPhone with me of course.
But my iPad is the only leisure gadget I take other than that. I love my Kindle, but I can read my Kindle books on the iPad anyway--and the 10 hour battery life is more than enough for the vast majority of flights I'm on. And the iPad is more useful since I also read newspapers on it, have my work PDFs on it, can play games, surf the net and check e-mail (if I pay for the wifi on the flight) etc. So it's a great all purpose gadget for travel for me.
About the only time I'll take my Kindle is if I have to take a laptop for work--then the iPad and laptop together are a bit to heavy. I'm getting a new dell xps ultrabook from work though since my heavy thinkpad died, so that may change that equation.
I haven't tried an iPad yet, but if you were doing 2-3 hour commutes every day then you might want to have more than one portable electronic device in your arsenal no matter what it is.[/QUOTE]
I travel a decent amount for work and vacation (not daily commute, but fly somewhere at least 10-15 times most years). I always have my iPhone with me of course.
But my iPad is the only leisure gadget I take other than that. I love my Kindle, but I can read my Kindle books on the iPad anyway--and the 10 hour battery life is more than enough for the vast majority of flights I'm on. And the iPad is more useful since I also read newspapers on it, have my work PDFs on it, can play games, surf the net and check e-mail (if I pay for the wifi on the flight) etc. So it's a great all purpose gadget for travel for me.
About the only time I'll take my Kindle is if I have to take a laptop for work--then the iPad and laptop together are a bit to heavy. I'm getting a new dell xps ultrabook from work though since my heavy thinkpad died, so that may change that equation.
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Let's be honost, if your looking for a game to play for a few hours on a plane Nintendo has the better line-up. Plus kirby, pokemon and smash bros will come.
Sony really doesn't have any business making the vita.
Sony really doesn't have any business making the vita.
[quote name='SaraAB']The touch depletes battery MUCH faster than the iPhone, its not the same device at all. Heck 20 min on facetime would probably knock my battery down to 20%.
Really... no one ever looks at the lyrics while listening to music... I find that hard to believe.
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Hm. Interesting. Not knocking you or anything, but I'd never heard of that. I look up lyrics every now and again to make sure I have the words right, but I've never known anyone that looks at lyrics while listening to music because they like to.
Really... no one ever looks at the lyrics while listening to music... I find that hard to believe.
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Hm. Interesting. Not knocking you or anything, but I'd never heard of that. I look up lyrics every now and again to make sure I have the words right, but I've never known anyone that looks at lyrics while listening to music because they like to.
[quote name='2supekards']Let's be honost, if your looking for a game to play for a few hours on a plane Nintendo has the better line-up. Plus kirby, pokemon and smash bros will come.
Sony really doesn't have any business making the vita.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because everyone has your taste in games. *eyeroll*
Sony really doesn't have any business making the vita.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because everyone has your taste in games. *eyeroll*
[quote name='Mixer236']Hm. Interesting. Not knocking you or anything, but I'd never heard of that. I look up lyrics every now and again to make sure I have the words right, but I've never known anyone that looks at lyrics while listening to music because they like to. [/QUOTE]
I look up lyrics sometimes while listening to music on the computer and follow along. Just did that for a few new DMB songs a bit ago actually.
But I have no desire to do that on my phone or MP3 player. But I'm really only listening to music on those when working or working out/running etc. anyway.
[/QUOTE]I look up lyrics sometimes while listening to music on the computer and follow along. Just did that for a few new DMB songs a bit ago actually.
But I have no desire to do that on my phone or MP3 player. But I'm really only listening to music on those when working or working out/running etc. anyway.
I should also mention I listen to japanese music, anyone who listens to this kind of music should have an iPod touch with the lyrics display, because its so cool. I have to put the lyrics into iTunes myself, but it works just fine for me. I only add a few songs per month if that, so once the initial work was done, there is almost no work now. However finding the lyrics to the songs I listen to is another story.. as there are many that I cannot find. If its a popular song then the lyrics are super easy to get but the older stuff, there isn't many people translating that these days. Ah, I love using lyrics that are translated/romanized by a 12 year old who speaks fluent english and japanese..
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[quote name='OrangeArmy']lots of insults and generalizing[/QUOTE]
Yah, thanks, ill stand by what i said without insults and thinking im 15. Good job yet again.
Yah, thanks, ill stand by what i said without insults and thinking im 15. Good job yet again.
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Vita isn't backwards compatible, and the 3DS has better games. Choice is clear to me.
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[quote name='jello44']It cannot play UMDs, but you can purchase PSP games (and soon PSX games) off PSN and play them on the Vita.[/QUOTE]
Nice! I love buying games I've already bought before.
Nice! I love buying games I've already bought before.
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[quote name='Blade']Nice! I love buying games I've already bought before.[/QUOTE]
You are buying them to play on a different system.
I bought Mario for the Nintendo 64. Does that mean I DEMAND Nintendo to let me play for free on my Wii?
Just because I own a game in one format does not mean I have the right to own it across multiple devices.
You are buying them to play on a different system.
I bought Mario for the Nintendo 64. Does that mean I DEMAND Nintendo to let me play for free on my Wii?
Just because I own a game in one format does not mean I have the right to own it across multiple devices.
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[quote name='Vader582']Yeah because everyone has your taste in games. *eyeroll*[/QUOTE]
I mean its not just about taste in games. If you want to play a lesser version of uncharted on the go I guess that's up to you. This thread however is about why the Vita is selling and that's why. Almost all the top games (according to IGN) are on consuls as well. Pokemon, mario and zelda will outsell anything on vita or PSP, since they are more popular - generally - for people on the go. You can see the top selling game on Vita right now is Uncharted at under 100,000 units globally. PSP has a bunch of games above a million, but nothing that compares to the ds. You can see that nintendogs, mario kart and new super mario bros all did over 20 million units. This is because they are more appealing to most people on the portable market. Even the best selling games on the psp such as grand theft auto china town wars also came out on DS and outsold on the ds.
In addition the DS goes backwards compatible so people who bought the DS lite can still play all their other games and say get a trade in upgrade while PSP users would either have to liquidate their collection or buy the system with no upgrade.
The best move the vita has is that it can play the download games on playstation network, which builds there brand against microsoft but other than that I see no reason why it should have come out. People already have an ipad or nook to do the other things so they don't need the hd screen.
I mean its not just about taste in games. If you want to play a lesser version of uncharted on the go I guess that's up to you. This thread however is about why the Vita is selling and that's why. Almost all the top games (according to IGN) are on consuls as well. Pokemon, mario and zelda will outsell anything on vita or PSP, since they are more popular - generally - for people on the go. You can see the top selling game on Vita right now is Uncharted at under 100,000 units globally. PSP has a bunch of games above a million, but nothing that compares to the ds. You can see that nintendogs, mario kart and new super mario bros all did over 20 million units. This is because they are more appealing to most people on the portable market. Even the best selling games on the psp such as grand theft auto china town wars also came out on DS and outsold on the ds.
In addition the DS goes backwards compatible so people who bought the DS lite can still play all their other games and say get a trade in upgrade while PSP users would either have to liquidate their collection or buy the system with no upgrade.
The best move the vita has is that it can play the download games on playstation network, which builds there brand against microsoft but other than that I see no reason why it should have come out. People already have an ipad or nook to do the other things so they don't need the hd screen.
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Its probably also true that everyone who bought a vita also bought a 3ds - since only true gamers buy the vita and so the ds just branches out further.
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