Why aren't flippers hated as much as El Hoardo?
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DPsx7
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Which part of no excuses wasn't clear? I don't think there's any way you can rationalize your actions which deny hardworking people the chance to take advantage of a sale. Buy a copy and enjoy it, you're not here to replace the store. Get an application if that's what you want to do.
Ebay doesn't count. People just clear out junk and check their listings when they get home. It's not a full time occupation. Or they make products and use it as a storefront, either way it's not the same situation.
Ebay doesn't count. People just clear out junk and check their listings when they get home. It's not a full time occupation. Or they make products and use it as a storefront, either way it's not the same situation.
[quote name='DPsx7']No excuses. If you flip or hoard, you're scum. I'm calling all you idiots out to publicly flame and humiliate. You steal games from those who want to play them but have jobs and can't get there until lunch or the evening. This does not include picking up an extra copy for a friend, the idea is that the buyer is the primary user, not a middleman.
If this is how you make money then you're in a sorry state and with any luck your welfare checks shall remain small. Plus by your logic (referring to 'real' jobs) a burglar is no better than you by taking the things from others with plans to profit. A job typically means you're being productive. Find one instead of camping in parking lots of major stores.[/QUOTE]
steal???? wow. If you wanted that little video game so badly, you would already have it before it was clearanced out several months after its release date... unless of course you are in that sorry state you reference and your welfare check isn't big enough. Or you are just plan cheap. Its kind of sad you feel so deprived over a meaningless video game that was bad enough to get clearenced out. If you care so much about games, maybe you should buy them at full price and give the publishers the full benefit of your purchase. BTW I don't find it worthwhile to personally horde, but I'm not judgmental of how people choose to legitimately make money.
If this is how you make money then you're in a sorry state and with any luck your welfare checks shall remain small. Plus by your logic (referring to 'real' jobs) a burglar is no better than you by taking the things from others with plans to profit. A job typically means you're being productive. Find one instead of camping in parking lots of major stores.[/QUOTE]
steal???? wow. If you wanted that little video game so badly, you would already have it before it was clearanced out several months after its release date... unless of course you are in that sorry state you reference and your welfare check isn't big enough. Or you are just plan cheap. Its kind of sad you feel so deprived over a meaningless video game that was bad enough to get clearenced out. If you care so much about games, maybe you should buy them at full price and give the publishers the full benefit of your purchase. BTW I don't find it worthwhile to personally horde, but I'm not judgmental of how people choose to legitimately make money.
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IAmTheCheapestGamer
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For the record, both Sudoku Ball Detective and Fairytale Fights sucked, so trust me when I say that those who 'missed out' didn't miss much. I tried both and I couldn't even fathom keeping the one copy I kept of each to play.
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']For the record, both Sudoku Ball Detective and Fairytale Fights sucked, so trust me when I say that those who 'missed out' didn't miss much. I tried both and I couldn't even fathom keeping the one copy I kept of each to play.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, these games are usually on clearance because they are trash. The game is better of being turned for a profit by a CAG and subsequently invested in a better game than it is sitting on another CAGs shelf gathering dust. If it is such a great game and appeals to you so strongly that you will get emotional about missing out on it, there is no reason why you shouldn't already have it. Why does anyone feel entitled to have some crappy video game over someone else who got there first and will turn it into something they also desire.
Exactly, these games are usually on clearance because they are trash. The game is better of being turned for a profit by a CAG and subsequently invested in a better game than it is sitting on another CAGs shelf gathering dust. If it is such a great game and appeals to you so strongly that you will get emotional about missing out on it, there is no reason why you shouldn't already have it. Why does anyone feel entitled to have some crappy video game over someone else who got there first and will turn it into something they also desire.
I tend to see the hoarder as the person who will clean out an entire store of clearance games at whatever price the games are priced at, regardless of the value of the game on the secondary market. The flipper would be more savvy, choosing only the games that the person knows will turn a profit at GS or Ebay or wherever.
In the past 5 years or so I haven't found a game that could not be found at a reduced price later down the road through conventional shopping methods like ebay and amazon. Most games will drop to $10 eventually, there are a few exceptions but lets just say there should be enough cheap but good games to choose from in that price range where you don't have to move onto the more expensive stuff unless its your choice. I only have a Wii and DS so I can't comment on other systems though. With this being said I don't feel there is a need to fight the hoarders, as the game I want to buy will most likely be available sometimes down the road for $10 or so which is cheap enough for me. If they want to buy out the clearance of an entire store (and most likely lose money on it), let them.
In the past 5 years or so I haven't found a game that could not be found at a reduced price later down the road through conventional shopping methods like ebay and amazon. Most games will drop to $10 eventually, there are a few exceptions but lets just say there should be enough cheap but good games to choose from in that price range where you don't have to move onto the more expensive stuff unless its your choice. I only have a Wii and DS so I can't comment on other systems though. With this being said I don't feel there is a need to fight the hoarders, as the game I want to buy will most likely be available sometimes down the road for $10 or so which is cheap enough for me. If they want to buy out the clearance of an entire store (and most likely lose money on it), let them.
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its called arbitrage people, buy low, sell high. Simple economics, heart of capitalism. If it wasn't for this state of mind, everyone in the U.S. would still be farming. Now go run to the store before those evil demon spawn "steal" your games.
DPsx7
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[quote name='caltab']steal???? wow. If you wanted that little video game so badly, you would already have it before it was clearanced out several months after its release date... unless of course you are in that sorry state you reference and your welfare check isn't big enough. Or you are just plan cheap. Its kind of sad you feel so deprived over a meaningless video game that was bad enough to get clearenced out. If you care so much about games, maybe you should buy them at full price and give the publishers the full benefit of your purchase. BTW I don't find it worthwhile to personally horde, but I'm not judgmental of how people choose to legitimately make money.[/QUOTE]
Rofl. Legitimately? Not even close. Otherwise why not let them rob you blind and sell your stuff. It's the exact same idea. Profiting at the expense of others.
Rofl. Legitimately? Not even close. Otherwise why not let them rob you blind and sell your stuff. It's the exact same idea. Profiting at the expense of others.
[quote name='DPsx7']Rofl. Legitimately? Not even close. Otherwise why not let them rob you blind and sell your stuff. It's the exact same idea. Profiting at the expense of others.[/QUOTE]
again, please explain to me why you don't already have these wonderful games if they are so important to you. Aren't you profiting at the expense of developers and stores by waiting to get the game as cheap as humanly possible. Shouldn't you be paying full price to support the industry since you have such wonderful morals and appreciate the hard working folk with what you deem to be real jobs. Or do you have such high standards only when it is convenient for you.
again, please explain to me why you don't already have these wonderful games if they are so important to you. Aren't you profiting at the expense of developers and stores by waiting to get the game as cheap as humanly possible. Shouldn't you be paying full price to support the industry since you have such wonderful morals and appreciate the hard working folk with what you deem to be real jobs. Or do you have such high standards only when it is convenient for you.
IAmTheCheapestGamer
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[quote name='DPsx7']Rofl. Legitimately? Not even close. Otherwise why not let them rob you blind and sell your stuff. It's the exact same idea. Profiting at the expense of others.[/QUOTE]
Free market economy. If someone wants to buy the shit out of an item you supposedly wanted, then charge a higher price than they paid for it and get that price, then good for them. They're making money in a shitty economy and doing so by using the law of supply and demand. They have the supply, there is a demand(even if it's for over the price they paid)and they are able to sell their product for that price.
You really need to set your alarm, get up earlier and get to the store at opening to get a deal if you expect to beat someone determined and motivated by money to get all of the deals.
Otherwise, you need to suck it up and pay the cost(even if inflated)for the item once the supply is gone. Simple as that.
Free market economy. If someone wants to buy the shit out of an item you supposedly wanted, then charge a higher price than they paid for it and get that price, then good for them. They're making money in a shitty economy and doing so by using the law of supply and demand. They have the supply, there is a demand(even if it's for over the price they paid)and they are able to sell their product for that price.
You really need to set your alarm, get up earlier and get to the store at opening to get a deal if you expect to beat someone determined and motivated by money to get all of the deals.
Otherwise, you need to suck it up and pay the cost(even if inflated)for the item once the supply is gone. Simple as that.
[quote name='DPsx7']
Ebay doesn't count. People just clear out junk and check their listings when they get home. It's not a full time occupation. Or they make products and use it as a storefront, either way it's not the same situation.[/QUOTE]HAHAHAHAHA you have no idea what you're talking about. There are lots of full time powersellers who resell, even some CAGs who do this. I personally don't do it full time because I am 16 and still go to school, but I do make at least a few hundred dollars a month profit, usually around 1k profit, and if I didn't go to school and did this full time would make a lot more. It is a lot of work; you have to do hours of research, go out looking for the items, put down the money up front to buy them, spend HOURS cleaning them, taking pictures of the items, researching the prices and listing them on eBay or amazon or cleaning them up and driving them around to stores to trade in (plus you have to figure out which way would get you more money.) Then once someone buys the items you have to pack them, weight them, print out shipping labels and wait in line at the post office if anything is going international. Then do bookkeeping (well, excel file) for tax purposes, which takes even more time. It can most definitely be a full time occupation that makes a good amount of money.
Ebay doesn't count. People just clear out junk and check their listings when they get home. It's not a full time occupation. Or they make products and use it as a storefront, either way it's not the same situation.[/QUOTE]HAHAHAHAHA you have no idea what you're talking about. There are lots of full time powersellers who resell, even some CAGs who do this. I personally don't do it full time because I am 16 and still go to school, but I do make at least a few hundred dollars a month profit, usually around 1k profit, and if I didn't go to school and did this full time would make a lot more. It is a lot of work; you have to do hours of research, go out looking for the items, put down the money up front to buy them, spend HOURS cleaning them, taking pictures of the items, researching the prices and listing them on eBay or amazon or cleaning them up and driving them around to stores to trade in (plus you have to figure out which way would get you more money.) Then once someone buys the items you have to pack them, weight them, print out shipping labels and wait in line at the post office if anything is going international. Then do bookkeeping (well, excel file) for tax purposes, which takes even more time. It can most definitely be a full time occupation that makes a good amount of money.
DPsx7
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[quote name='caltab']again, please explain to me why you don't already have these wonderful games if they are so important to you. Aren't you profiting at the expense of developers and stores by waiting to get the game as cheap as humanly possible. Shouldn't you be paying full price to support the industry since you have such wonderful morals and appreciate the hard working folk with what you deem to be real jobs. Or do you have such high standards only when it is convenient for you.[/QUOTE]
I have a backlog and wait for a sale. Many others will only pay so much for a game, they can't afford everything full price. By your logic why doesn't the hoarder go and buy all the copies for full price? I'm not doing anything at the expense of others. When I want my copy I'll go and get one. There's no intelligent reason to buy 5+ copies of a game just so nobody else can get them. Buying new still gives something to the developers. With both a PS3 and a Wii I simply have too many good games to keep paying top dollar when they pricedrop within a couple weeks. I rarely buy used anymore.
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Free market economy. If someone wants to buy the shit out of an item you supposedly wanted, then charge a higher price than they paid for it and get that price, then good for them. They're making money in a shitty economy and doing so by using the law of supply and demand. They have the supply, there is a demand(even if it's for over the price they paid)and they are able to sell their product for that price.
You really need to set your alarm, get up earlier and get to the store at opening to get a deal if you expect to beat someone determined and motivated by money to get all of the deals.
Otherwise, you need to suck it up and pay the cost(even if inflated)for the item once the supply is gone. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Not good for them. Why should someone with a real job be denied a game at a lower price? They want to play it, not hold onto it for $2 profit. Using the economy as an excuse isn't good enough, otherwise all sorts of other shady activities would have the same excuse.
I really think most of you are taking the other side because you're one of them and need to rationalize this crap. It can't be done, you're embarassing yourselves. If a store opens late morning or only offers the deal for a few hours, how are you going to explain being late for work? The idea we're trying to get across is that most people cannot be there instantly, and that the hoarders should at least wait a day or so before buying up all the unwanted copies. Let the games go to those who will use them.
I have a backlog and wait for a sale. Many others will only pay so much for a game, they can't afford everything full price. By your logic why doesn't the hoarder go and buy all the copies for full price? I'm not doing anything at the expense of others. When I want my copy I'll go and get one. There's no intelligent reason to buy 5+ copies of a game just so nobody else can get them. Buying new still gives something to the developers. With both a PS3 and a Wii I simply have too many good games to keep paying top dollar when they pricedrop within a couple weeks. I rarely buy used anymore.
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Free market economy. If someone wants to buy the shit out of an item you supposedly wanted, then charge a higher price than they paid for it and get that price, then good for them. They're making money in a shitty economy and doing so by using the law of supply and demand. They have the supply, there is a demand(even if it's for over the price they paid)and they are able to sell their product for that price.
You really need to set your alarm, get up earlier and get to the store at opening to get a deal if you expect to beat someone determined and motivated by money to get all of the deals.
Otherwise, you need to suck it up and pay the cost(even if inflated)for the item once the supply is gone. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Not good for them. Why should someone with a real job be denied a game at a lower price? They want to play it, not hold onto it for $2 profit. Using the economy as an excuse isn't good enough, otherwise all sorts of other shady activities would have the same excuse.
I really think most of you are taking the other side because you're one of them and need to rationalize this crap. It can't be done, you're embarassing yourselves. If a store opens late morning or only offers the deal for a few hours, how are you going to explain being late for work? The idea we're trying to get across is that most people cannot be there instantly, and that the hoarders should at least wait a day or so before buying up all the unwanted copies. Let the games go to those who will use them.
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I really think most of you are taking the other side because you're one of them and need to rationalize this crap. It can't be done, you're embarassing yourselves. If a store opens late morning or only offers the deal for a few hours, how are you going to explain being late for work? The idea we're trying to get across is that most people cannot be there instantly, and that the hoarders should at least wait a day or so before buying up all the unwanted copies. Let the games go to those who will use them.[/QUOTE]
Embarrassing ourselves? You are the one that has already been threatened with a ban by Cheapy for trolling in other threads. I'd love to hear what you do that is so high and mighty that you look down on people doing what they have to do to survive. Please do share what your "real" job is. I am not sure what world you live in, but the economy is in the toilet and true unemployment is around 20 percent. That person who beat you to that crappy game may be using it to help support their children for all you know. It may be keeping him of welfare and saving tax money that millions of Americans don't have to pay anyways. As for myself, I have absolutely no need to spend time flipping games because I am extremely fortunate to not need to do so. Although, I love the hunt for a great deal for myself.
I really think most of you are taking the other side because you're one of them and need to rationalize this crap. It can't be done, you're embarassing yourselves. If a store opens late morning or only offers the deal for a few hours, how are you going to explain being late for work? The idea we're trying to get across is that most people cannot be there instantly, and that the hoarders should at least wait a day or so before buying up all the unwanted copies. Let the games go to those who will use them.[/QUOTE]
Embarrassing ourselves? You are the one that has already been threatened with a ban by Cheapy for trolling in other threads. I'd love to hear what you do that is so high and mighty that you look down on people doing what they have to do to survive. Please do share what your "real" job is. I am not sure what world you live in, but the economy is in the toilet and true unemployment is around 20 percent. That person who beat you to that crappy game may be using it to help support their children for all you know. It may be keeping him of welfare and saving tax money that millions of Americans don't have to pay anyways. As for myself, I have absolutely no need to spend time flipping games because I am extremely fortunate to not need to do so. Although, I love the hunt for a great deal for myself.
IAmTheCheapestGamer
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[quote name='DPsx7']Not good for them. Why should someone with a real job be denied a game at a lower price? They want to play it, not hold onto it for $2 profit. Using the economy as an excuse isn't good enough, otherwise all sorts of other shady activities would have the same excuse.
I really think most of you are taking the other side because you're one of them and need to rationalize this crap. It can't be done, you're embarassing yourselves. If a store opens late morning or only offers the deal for a few hours, how are you going to explain being late for work? The idea we're trying to get across is that most people cannot be there instantly, and that the hoarders should at least wait a day or so before buying up all the unwanted copies. Let the games go to those who will use them.[/QUOTE]
Skip lunch or don't expect the deal to still be valid or stock to be there. Use your lunch hour from work to go grab a deal if you see it on CAG while surfing from work.
That's the best advice I can tell you, since some deals only last HOURS, so those of us who have the time due to being unemployed can go get them within that timeframe.
I really think most of you are taking the other side because you're one of them and need to rationalize this crap. It can't be done, you're embarassing yourselves. If a store opens late morning or only offers the deal for a few hours, how are you going to explain being late for work? The idea we're trying to get across is that most people cannot be there instantly, and that the hoarders should at least wait a day or so before buying up all the unwanted copies. Let the games go to those who will use them.[/QUOTE]
Skip lunch or don't expect the deal to still be valid or stock to be there. Use your lunch hour from work to go grab a deal if you see it on CAG while surfing from work.
That's the best advice I can tell you, since some deals only last HOURS, so those of us who have the time due to being unemployed can go get them within that timeframe.
DPsx7
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[quote name='caltab']Embarrassing ourselves? You are the one that has already been threatened with a ban by Cheapy for trolling in other threads. I'd love to hear what you do that is so high and mighty that you look down on people doing what they have to do to survive. Please do share what your "real" job is. I am not sure what world you live in, but the economy is in the toilet and true unemployment is around 20 percent. That person who beat you to that crappy game may be using it to help support their children for all you know. It may be keeping him of welfare and saving tax money that millions of Americans don't have to pay anyways. As for myself, I have absolutely no need to spend time flipping games because I am extremely fortunate to not need to do so. Although, I love the hunt for a great deal for myself.[/QUOTE]
He hasn't and can't. I break no rules and I won't be pushed around by a potential 360 fanboy. Plus you fools need to look up 'trolling' and learn what it means. I make a valid point, you just want to defend your actions by trying to call my posts trolling. You lose. In any case don't you think if you were that desperate that you'd look for something more permanent and profitable? You don't hoard games to make a living, you steal it from those who work hoping to make $5. More of a nuisance than anything. I too am fortunate (I've 2 jobs in fact, one is only occasional weekends) but it's disappointing to hear of a sale and then find the shelves empty that very evening because THEY didn't have someplace better to be. At least you seem to finally understand.
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Skip lunch or don't expect the deal to still be valid or stock to be there. Use your lunch hour from work to go grab a deal if you see it on CAG while surfing from work.
That's the best advice I can tell you, since some deals only last HOURS, so those of us who have the time due to being unemployed can go get them within that timeframe.[/QUOTE]
Oh sure, skip our lunch just to find out the hoarder cleaned it out when they opened. Sometimes the store is too far to make it during a lunch break. I still want to know why you're all making excuses. You can play 'what if' all night but it doesn't change the fact of what you're doing. By the way I'm not near a PC at either job. Maybe for each time the unemployed steals a game I'll prevent them from getting a real job. See how they like it when the situation is reversed.
[quote name='lmz00']This is the same guy who thinks anyone with a TV bigger than 13" is deserving of a "full flurry of ridicule."[/QUOTE]
And it's true. Thanks for the support. Oh wait, weren't you one of those tools who needed to compensate for 'shortcomings' by buying a stupidly huge TV?
He hasn't and can't. I break no rules and I won't be pushed around by a potential 360 fanboy. Plus you fools need to look up 'trolling' and learn what it means. I make a valid point, you just want to defend your actions by trying to call my posts trolling. You lose. In any case don't you think if you were that desperate that you'd look for something more permanent and profitable? You don't hoard games to make a living, you steal it from those who work hoping to make $5. More of a nuisance than anything. I too am fortunate (I've 2 jobs in fact, one is only occasional weekends) but it's disappointing to hear of a sale and then find the shelves empty that very evening because THEY didn't have someplace better to be. At least you seem to finally understand.
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Skip lunch or don't expect the deal to still be valid or stock to be there. Use your lunch hour from work to go grab a deal if you see it on CAG while surfing from work.
That's the best advice I can tell you, since some deals only last HOURS, so those of us who have the time due to being unemployed can go get them within that timeframe.[/QUOTE]
Oh sure, skip our lunch just to find out the hoarder cleaned it out when they opened. Sometimes the store is too far to make it during a lunch break. I still want to know why you're all making excuses. You can play 'what if' all night but it doesn't change the fact of what you're doing. By the way I'm not near a PC at either job. Maybe for each time the unemployed steals a game I'll prevent them from getting a real job. See how they like it when the situation is reversed.
[quote name='lmz00']This is the same guy who thinks anyone with a TV bigger than 13" is deserving of a "full flurry of ridicule."[/QUOTE]
And it's true. Thanks for the support. Oh wait, weren't you one of those tools who needed to compensate for 'shortcomings' by buying a stupidly huge TV?
IAmTheCheapestGamer
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[quote name='DPsx7']Oh sure, skip our lunch just to find out the hoarder cleaned it out when they opened. Sometimes the store is too far to make it during a lunch break. I still want to know why you're all making excuses. You can play 'what if' all night but it doesn't change the fact of what you're doing. By the way I'm not near a PC at either job. Maybe for each time the unemployed steals a game I'll prevent them from getting a real job. See how they like it when the situation is reversed.[/QUOTE]
Well then you go AFTER work for the deal. Assuming you work first shift, those type of jobs are typically over between 3 and 6pm or so, so plenty of time to make it to whichever store. Then, if you see the hoarder has grabbed everything, you can come on here and cry some more over missing out on another deal.
If you want a deal, you make the time to get it. You don't rely on the kindness of others to leave something cheap/free on the shelf that they could resell for money.
Well then you go AFTER work for the deal. Assuming you work first shift, those type of jobs are typically over between 3 and 6pm or so, so plenty of time to make it to whichever store. Then, if you see the hoarder has grabbed everything, you can come on here and cry some more over missing out on another deal.
If you want a deal, you make the time to get it. You don't rely on the kindness of others to leave something cheap/free on the shelf that they could resell for money.
[quote name='DPsx7']He hasn't and can't. I break no rules and I won't be pushed around by a potential 360 fanboy.[/QUOTE]
The most amusing thing about your posts is that you seem to be totally unaware that cheapy, that "potential 360 fanboy" you refer to whose avatar appears at the top of this website, owns CAG. He definitely could't ban you, after all it's only his website.
The most amusing thing about your posts is that you seem to be totally unaware that cheapy, that "potential 360 fanboy" you refer to whose avatar appears at the top of this website, owns CAG. He definitely could't ban you, after all it's only his website.
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Lord_Kefka
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lol. I knew you'd go to the free market economy trick there eventually.
And you read yourself and situation into my comments. I responded to the comment as him saying "I have a job and get out there to hoard/flip". And I wonder in this discussion of fastest one to the store, who has a job where they can stand up and say "hey boss, I need to go....Barbie's Horse Adventures is on sale for $5 and I can double that by flipping them!"
Dude, legit sorry if you are unemployed. Flip a few games to make some money? Great. It's not a matter of my having a right to them. I just can't leave work to race the hoarders/flippers. I score every once in awhile and take them home to play. Wish I could snag more, but this is a densely populated area.
I personally don't care for some of the mindsets in here, because having dealt with and seen some of these hoarders first hand in a Gamestop being a dick to employees because the website said they had X game in stock. The attitude some of those people cop just irks me.
And you read yourself and situation into my comments. I responded to the comment as him saying "I have a job and get out there to hoard/flip". And I wonder in this discussion of fastest one to the store, who has a job where they can stand up and say "hey boss, I need to go....Barbie's Horse Adventures is on sale for $5 and I can double that by flipping them!"
Dude, legit sorry if you are unemployed. Flip a few games to make some money? Great. It's not a matter of my having a right to them. I just can't leave work to race the hoarders/flippers. I score every once in awhile and take them home to play. Wish I could snag more, but this is a densely populated area.
I personally don't care for some of the mindsets in here, because having dealt with and seen some of these hoarders first hand in a Gamestop being a dick to employees because the website said they had X game in stock. The attitude some of those people cop just irks me.
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[quote name='caltab']The most amusing thing about your posts is that you seem to be totally unaware that cheapy, that "potential 360 fanboy" you refer to whose avatar appears at the top of this website, owns CAG. He definitely could't ban you, after all it's only his website.[/QUOTE]
Wow, what a moron. He actually thinks the owner of a website can't ban him from his site. He honestly cannot be that stupid. I didn't even know Cheapy had threatened to ban him. You gotta be one annoying tool to have Cheapy even bother to get involved.
Wow, what a moron. He actually thinks the owner of a website can't ban him from his site. He honestly cannot be that stupid. I didn't even know Cheapy had threatened to ban him. You gotta be one annoying tool to have Cheapy even bother to get involved.
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[quote name='Lord_Kefka']And you read yourself and situation into my comments. I responded to the comment as him saying "I have a job and get out there to hoard/flip". And I wonder in this discussion of fastest one to the store, who has a job where they can stand up and say "hey boss, I need to go....Barbie's Horse Adventures is on sale for $5 and I can double that by flipping them!" [/QUOTE]
There are legitimate jobs that aren't 9-to-5.
There are legitimate jobs that aren't 9-to-5.
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Well then you go AFTER work for the deal. Assuming you work first shift, those type of jobs are typically over between 3 and 6pm or so, so plenty of time to make it to whichever store. Then, if you see the hoarder has grabbed everything, you can come on here and cry some more over missing out on another deal.
If you want a deal, you make the time to get it. You don't rely on the kindness of others to leave something cheap/free on the shelf that they could resell for money.[/QUOTE]
Quoted for truth.
What DPsx7 (and others like him) consistently fails to realize is that they're not entitled to Game X at Price Y. It's an absolute sense of entitlement that drives that kind of attitude; coupled with a lack of personal accountability and more than a smattering of illogical reasoning.
Once a sale begins on limited inventory, the clock starts and time's up when inventory is depleted. Those are the rules and they're quite simple. Everyone is aware of them. You either get there before stock is gone or you don't.
Having a "real job" is a red herring. Work is, after all, a personal commitment. If I choose to attend work rather than hunting video games, that's my own personal decision. I have committed to that schedule, so I am accountable for what I'm doing during that time. It's not that someone "can't" leave work. It's that they choose not to. If I miss out on deals because I choose to be at work, I'm the only person accountable for the result because I caused it to happen.
To ensure logical and ethical consistency, I cannot bemoan someone else making money on something I wasn't committed enough to chase. If you get there before I do, I caused that to happen. I was either not committed enough to get there first or I miscalculated the demand. That's my own fault. At that point, I can decide to make different choices in the future. If I don't, I'm accountable for the future results as well.
If you want a deal, you make the time to get it. You don't rely on the kindness of others to leave something cheap/free on the shelf that they could resell for money.[/QUOTE]
Quoted for truth.
What DPsx7 (and others like him) consistently fails to realize is that they're not entitled to Game X at Price Y. It's an absolute sense of entitlement that drives that kind of attitude; coupled with a lack of personal accountability and more than a smattering of illogical reasoning.
Once a sale begins on limited inventory, the clock starts and time's up when inventory is depleted. Those are the rules and they're quite simple. Everyone is aware of them. You either get there before stock is gone or you don't.
Having a "real job" is a red herring. Work is, after all, a personal commitment. If I choose to attend work rather than hunting video games, that's my own personal decision. I have committed to that schedule, so I am accountable for what I'm doing during that time. It's not that someone "can't" leave work. It's that they choose not to. If I miss out on deals because I choose to be at work, I'm the only person accountable for the result because I caused it to happen.
To ensure logical and ethical consistency, I cannot bemoan someone else making money on something I wasn't committed enough to chase. If you get there before I do, I caused that to happen. I was either not committed enough to get there first or I miscalculated the demand. That's my own fault. At that point, I can decide to make different choices in the future. If I don't, I'm accountable for the future results as well.
pulsar0510
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[quote name='unicron129']its called arbitrage people, buy low, sell high. Simple economics, heart of capitalism. If it wasn't for this state of mind, everyone in the U.S. would still be farming. Now go run to the store before those evil demon spawn "steal" your games.[/QUOTE]
You do understand that it's exactly that attitude that helped spawn the current economic meltdown, right? Unbridled capitalism is not a good thing.
To the thread: I can't stand either one. Not saying either doesn't have the "right", just saying I feel both practices are lame.
You do understand that it's exactly that attitude that helped spawn the current economic meltdown, right? Unbridled capitalism is not a good thing.
To the thread: I can't stand either one. Not saying either doesn't have the "right", just saying I feel both practices are lame.
[quote name='salty tbone']There are legitimate jobs that aren't 9-to-5.[/QUOTE]
your going to work 8 hours or more to get a decent wage unless your a business owner , and that kind of removes the legitimacy from your arguement because a business owner by definition is either making a profit (as i do) from human labor , making a profit by buying & reselling in which case some supplier is getting underpaid , so there really is no "legitimate" jobs left. Some more legitimate then others i suppose... but what legitimate job do you have that you can pass judgement?
your going to work 8 hours or more to get a decent wage unless your a business owner , and that kind of removes the legitimacy from your arguement because a business owner by definition is either making a profit (as i do) from human labor , making a profit by buying & reselling in which case some supplier is getting underpaid , so there really is no "legitimate" jobs left. Some more legitimate then others i suppose... but what legitimate job do you have that you can pass judgement?
[quote name='pulsar0510']You do understand that it's exactly that attitude that helped spawn the current economic meltdown, right? Unbridled capitalism is not a good thing.
To the thread: I can't stand either one. Not saying either doesn't have the "right", just saying I feel both practices are lame.[/QUOTE]
Pulsar you can't honestly be that stupid .. no it had nothing to do with capitalism , it has to do with investment bankers over extending themselves then knowing that they'll get bailed out because there too big to fail , I agree with Bill Maher how about to f***ed to save lol
To the thread: I can't stand either one. Not saying either doesn't have the "right", just saying I feel both practices are lame.[/QUOTE]
Pulsar you can't honestly be that stupid .. no it had nothing to do with capitalism , it has to do with investment bankers over extending themselves then knowing that they'll get bailed out because there too big to fail , I agree with Bill Maher how about to f***ed to save lol
pulsar0510
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[quote name='tyler3599']Pulsar you can't honestly be that stupid .. no it had nothing to do with capitalism , it has to do with investment bankers over extending themselves then knowing that they'll get bailed out because there too big to fail , I agree with Bill Maher how about to f***ed to save lol [/QUOTE]
That doesn't even make sense.
[/QUOTE]That doesn't even make sense.
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[quote name='salty tbone']There are legitimate jobs that aren't 9-to-5.[/QUOTE]
This is true. Plenty of people work a second or third shift.
[quote name='SteelSD']...coupled with a lack of personal accountability and more than a smattering of illogical reasoning.
Having a "real job" is a red herring. Work is, after all, a personal commitment. If I choose to attend work rather than hunting video games, that's my own personal decision. I have committed to that schedule, so I am accountable for what I'm doing during that time. It's not that someone "can't" leave work. It's that they choose not to. If I miss out on deals because I choose to be at work, I'm the only person accountable for the result because I caused it to happen.
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LOL. Work is a personal commitment? Choose to attend work rather than hunt video games? LOL. Wow. Just wow man.......illogical reasoning FTW.
This is true. Plenty of people work a second or third shift.
[quote name='SteelSD']...coupled with a lack of personal accountability and more than a smattering of illogical reasoning.
Having a "real job" is a red herring. Work is, after all, a personal commitment. If I choose to attend work rather than hunting video games, that's my own personal decision. I have committed to that schedule, so I am accountable for what I'm doing during that time. It's not that someone "can't" leave work. It's that they choose not to. If I miss out on deals because I choose to be at work, I'm the only person accountable for the result because I caused it to happen.
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LOL. Work is a personal commitment? Choose to attend work rather than hunt video games? LOL. Wow. Just wow man.......illogical reasoning FTW.
salty tbone
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[quote name='tyler3599']your going to work 8 hours or more to get a decent wage unless your a business owner , and that kind of removes the legitimacy from your arguement because a business owner by definition is either making a profit (as i do) from human labor , making a profit by buying & reselling in which case some supplier is getting underpaid , so there really is no "legitimate" jobs left. Some more legitimate then others i suppose... but what legitimate job do you have that you can pass judgement? [/QUOTE]
I have no idea what you're talking about. I was pointing out that there are people with jobs who also can go shopping during a weekday. It was simply a response to the "I can't get many clearance deals because I have a real job."
And I wasn't passing judgment on anyone. There's plenty of other CAGs here willing to do that.
[/QUOTE]I have no idea what you're talking about. I was pointing out that there are people with jobs who also can go shopping during a weekday. It was simply a response to the "I can't get many clearance deals because I have a real job."
And I wasn't passing judgment on anyone. There's plenty of other CAGs here willing to do that.
[quote name='Lord_Kefka']LOL. Work is a personal commitment? Choose to attend work rather than hunt video games? LOL. Wow. Just wow man.......illogical reasoning FTW.[/QUOTE]
As there's no slavery in this country, anyone who has a job chooses to trade their time for pay. If I'm at my place of employment during my scheduled hours, it's because I CHOOSE to be there. Not at all a difficult concept to grasp.
As there's no slavery in this country, anyone who has a job chooses to trade their time for pay. If I'm at my place of employment during my scheduled hours, it's because I CHOOSE to be there. Not at all a difficult concept to grasp.
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I can't believe that people who have "real jobs" cry so much about not being able to get a $10 video game. You honestly make yourselves look pretty petty.
What's really stupid is that these people constantly blame their inability to get clearance games on resellers. Could it be...wait for this...the store never had that game on clearance? I know, I know. It's a crazy concept. Maybe, just maybe, that store actually sold their copies of the game. Or maybe they had one or two and actual customers bought them! But no, that's just impossible.
And as far as not being able to get to clearance items, because the resellers apparently all flock to the store as soon as it opens on Monday morning, it's that pure nonsense. I've gotten plenty of great clearance deals well after they have been reported here. And I live in a densely populated area in Jersey (Hudson County), so that's definitely not a reason.
What's really stupid is that these people constantly blame their inability to get clearance games on resellers. Could it be...wait for this...the store never had that game on clearance? I know, I know. It's a crazy concept. Maybe, just maybe, that store actually sold their copies of the game. Or maybe they had one or two and actual customers bought them! But no, that's just impossible.
And as far as not being able to get to clearance items, because the resellers apparently all flock to the store as soon as it opens on Monday morning, it's that pure nonsense. I've gotten plenty of great clearance deals well after they have been reported here. And I live in a densely populated area in Jersey (Hudson County), so that's definitely not a reason.
[quote name='SteelSD']As there's no slavery in this country, anyone who has a job chooses to trade their time for pay. If I'm at my place of employment during my scheduled hours, it's because I CHOOSE to be there. Not at all a difficult concept to grasp.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there is slavery in this country.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22056066
Steven Seagal is more familiar with it than I am.
As for the normal work force? Sure, it's more like the vast majority of us are more like indentured servants than slaves... but those of kids or debt which cannot be extinguished... have no choice in this economy other than to continue jobs we hate... unless you consider feeding/taking care of your children a choice... and if that's the case... well, I just won't even get into that.
Actually, there is slavery in this country.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22056066
Steven Seagal is more familiar with it than I am.
As for the normal work force? Sure, it's more like the vast majority of us are more like indentured servants than slaves... but those of kids or debt which cannot be extinguished... have no choice in this economy other than to continue jobs we hate... unless you consider feeding/taking care of your children a choice... and if that's the case... well, I just won't even get into that.
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eastshore4
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The problem is that the work issue is just as subjective as the whole complaint about flipping. "You don't HAVE to work a job!" ...and you don't HAVE to take more than one game!
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I can't believe that people who have "real jobs" cry so much about not being able to get a $10 video game. You honestly make yourselves look pretty petty. [/QUOTE]
Well, the site IS called "Cheap Ass Gamer", I don't see any pettiness in arguing about cheap games. I think you're looking for "Rich Ass Gamer"... since you don't like the thriftiness here, you should go get on the RAG.
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I can't believe that people who have "real jobs" cry so much about not being able to get a $10 video game. You honestly make yourselves look pretty petty. [/QUOTE]
Well, the site IS called "Cheap Ass Gamer", I don't see any pettiness in arguing about cheap games. I think you're looking for "Rich Ass Gamer"... since you don't like the thriftiness here, you should go get on the RAG.
True, although I've yet to see someone theorizing like this here... the argument almost always stems from people posting about their "great flips", or when someone encounters another person in the process of hoarding. I think you're overblowing a very unlikely situation, although I can agree that it'd be a silly thing to do.
YMMV
bigdaddybruce44
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[quote name='eastshore4']The problem is that the work issue is just as subjective as the whole complaint about flipping. "You don't HAVE to work a job!" ...and you don't HAVE to take more than one game![/QUOTE]
This is actually true...
This is actually true...
If it wasn't for this, I would have actually enjoyed your entire post. No where in my post do I make any suggestion that I don't like cheap games. You're being quite silly. The point I was making is, if the people who have "real jobs" feel so superior to the people they think have the time to hunt down all the clearance games early in the day, they should take the high road and not bitch about a $10 game.
I was definitely overblowing it...but in the same way that people overblow the impact of hoarders rounding up all the games. There are a lot of factors that go into why one isn't able to find a clearance item.
Indeed. Just like EVERYTHING that has to do with clearance items is YMMV. I was merely pointing out that it's not some miracle to find clearance games at times other than early in the morning on whatever day the particular store marks stuff down.
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eastshore4
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Well if it's worth anything, I laughed at it.
I can see that, but if this is what you were saying, then you didn't phrase it very well. You can't really fault me for reading an isolated quote about how "people with jobs who cry so much about not being able to get a $10 video game make themselves look pretty petty" and not come away thinking that the take-home message was that you're frustrated with them making a big fuss over a small price, which in turn seems to go against the point of this site. Since you say this is not what you are arguing I retract it, but I also think you gotta clarify a bit more.
Again, I can accept that it's this way for you, but not necessarily for someone who's competing with a flipper. The point isn't that alot of the deals people miss out on are due to flippers(obviously this isn't the case), but that there are people who are getting the shaft AT ALL, which I happen to think is double lame-o donkey dick.
Lord_Kefka
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You know what I love about these threads? Complete firestorms. I was 
ing around with my initial comments and then people had to sit further down on the stick.
As for the choose to work thing? Yes I choose to work, because I choose to not be homeless. I don't choose to live with and mooch off someone else's hard work and money. I can't choose to not pay my bills because I'd rather buy video games. I buy them with money I save and set aside. That said, if I nail a deal, great. If not, too bad. But it's not because I'm lazy or unmotivated. I CANNOT choose to leave work to buy games if I expect to keep a job. Many jobs (i.e. the now infamous "real job" post) will not look kindly upon anyone walking out in the middle of their shift (or coming in an hour late) to buy video games.
Eastshore makes a great point, you choose to take the multiple copies. No one is forcing you to do it. The insulting part of this for us "petty" people isn't the game, it's the attitudes of the people who flip/hoard. The stories abound of inside deals, one person clearing out games and snatching from kids, whatever....it's just distasteful. And then someone posts "LOL. u'z don't want it nuff."
You need the supplemental income? Great. You run a reseller shop? Fine. Just don't be a dick to the rest of us.
ing around with my initial comments and then people had to sit further down on the stick.As for the choose to work thing? Yes I choose to work, because I choose to not be homeless. I don't choose to live with and mooch off someone else's hard work and money. I can't choose to not pay my bills because I'd rather buy video games. I buy them with money I save and set aside. That said, if I nail a deal, great. If not, too bad. But it's not because I'm lazy or unmotivated. I CANNOT choose to leave work to buy games if I expect to keep a job. Many jobs (i.e. the now infamous "real job" post) will not look kindly upon anyone walking out in the middle of their shift (or coming in an hour late) to buy video games.
Eastshore makes a great point, you choose to take the multiple copies. No one is forcing you to do it. The insulting part of this for us "petty" people isn't the game, it's the attitudes of the people who flip/hoard. The stories abound of inside deals, one person clearing out games and snatching from kids, whatever....it's just distasteful. And then someone posts "LOL. u'z don't want it nuff."
You need the supplemental income? Great. You run a reseller shop? Fine. Just don't be a dick to the rest of us.
DPsx7
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[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Well then you go AFTER work for the deal. Assuming you work first shift, those type of jobs are typically over between 3 and 6pm or so, so plenty of time to make it to whichever store. Then, if you see the hoarder has grabbed everything, you can come on here and cry some more over missing out on another deal.
If you want a deal, you make the time to get it. You don't rely on the kindness of others to leave something cheap/free on the shelf that they could resell for money.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I do. And also why I've said that hoarders only need to wait a day or so, then anything goes. While not every sale is cleaned out it has happened. Basically my whole reason for joining the discussion is because these idiots try to rationalize it when there's no way that's going to happen. No different than people who try to rationalize piracy. You're only kidding yourself and pissing off everyone else.
If you want a deal, you make the time to get it. You don't rely on the kindness of others to leave something cheap/free on the shelf that they could resell for money.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I do. And also why I've said that hoarders only need to wait a day or so, then anything goes. While not every sale is cleaned out it has happened. Basically my whole reason for joining the discussion is because these idiots try to rationalize it when there's no way that's going to happen. No different than people who try to rationalize piracy. You're only kidding yourself and pissing off everyone else.
DPsx7
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[quote name='SteelSD']Quoted for truth.
What DPsx7 (and others like him) consistently fails to realize is that they're not entitled to Game X at Price Y. It's an absolute sense of entitlement that drives that kind of attitude; coupled with a lack of personal accountability and more than a smattering of illogical reasoning.
Once a sale begins on limited inventory, the clock starts and time's up when inventory is depleted. Those are the rules and they're quite simple. Everyone is aware of them. You either get there before stock is gone or you don't.
Having a "real job" is a red herring. Work is, after all, a personal commitment. If I choose to attend work rather than hunting video games, that's my own personal decision. I have committed to that schedule, so I am accountable for what I'm doing during that time. It's not that someone "can't" leave work. It's that they choose not to. If I miss out on deals because I choose to be at work, I'm the only person accountable for the result because I caused it to happen.
To ensure logical and ethical consistency, I cannot bemoan someone else making money on something I wasn't committed enough to chase. If you get there before I do, I caused that to happen. I was either not committed enough to get there first or I miscalculated the demand. That's my own fault. At that point, I can decide to make different choices in the future. If I don't, I'm accountable for the future results as well.[/QUOTE]
I haven't heard anything that stupid in a long time. We're not entitled to a copy, but at least entitled to having a chance if we want one. The part about your choice to leave work - idiocy. If we jeopardize our jobs for a deal then we wind up like all the other nitwits living in parking lots to hog the good sales. How about we switch to being stuck in school? You can't leave there by choice. There's no way to hide your shame.
What DPsx7 (and others like him) consistently fails to realize is that they're not entitled to Game X at Price Y. It's an absolute sense of entitlement that drives that kind of attitude; coupled with a lack of personal accountability and more than a smattering of illogical reasoning.
Once a sale begins on limited inventory, the clock starts and time's up when inventory is depleted. Those are the rules and they're quite simple. Everyone is aware of them. You either get there before stock is gone or you don't.
Having a "real job" is a red herring. Work is, after all, a personal commitment. If I choose to attend work rather than hunting video games, that's my own personal decision. I have committed to that schedule, so I am accountable for what I'm doing during that time. It's not that someone "can't" leave work. It's that they choose not to. If I miss out on deals because I choose to be at work, I'm the only person accountable for the result because I caused it to happen.
To ensure logical and ethical consistency, I cannot bemoan someone else making money on something I wasn't committed enough to chase. If you get there before I do, I caused that to happen. I was either not committed enough to get there first or I miscalculated the demand. That's my own fault. At that point, I can decide to make different choices in the future. If I don't, I'm accountable for the future results as well.[/QUOTE]
I haven't heard anything that stupid in a long time. We're not entitled to a copy, but at least entitled to having a chance if we want one. The part about your choice to leave work - idiocy. If we jeopardize our jobs for a deal then we wind up like all the other nitwits living in parking lots to hog the good sales. How about we switch to being stuck in school? You can't leave there by choice. There's no way to hide your shame.
[quote name='DPsx7']I haven't heard anything that stupid in a long time. We're not entitled to a copy, but at least entitled to having a chance if we want one. The part about your choice to leave work - idiocy. If we jeopardize our jobs for a deal then we wind up like all the other nitwits living in parking lots to hog the good sales. How about we switch to being stuck in school? You can't leave there by choice. There's no way to hide your shame.[/QUOTE]
Huh. Sounds like you still don't get it. This isn't North Korea. You absolutely do have a choice, but it may be so trivial that you don't realize it. Your options are:
A) Leave work/school and get a $50 game for $5. Maybe get fired/suspended.
B) Stay at work/school.
Which do you value more? A or B? Instead of some cheap game, what if the "A" choice was a million dollars, and your own Batmobile?
Huh. Sounds like you still don't get it. This isn't North Korea. You absolutely do have a choice, but it may be so trivial that you don't realize it. Your options are:
A) Leave work/school and get a $50 game for $5. Maybe get fired/suspended.
B) Stay at work/school.
Which do you value more? A or B? Instead of some cheap game, what if the "A" choice was a million dollars, and your own Batmobile?
IAmTheCheapestGamer
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[quote name='DPsx7']That's exactly what I do. And also why I've said that hoarders only need to wait a day or so, then anything goes. While not every sale is cleaned out it has happened. Basically my whole reason for joining the discussion is because these idiots try to rationalize it when there's no way that's going to happen. No different than people who try to rationalize piracy. You're only kidding yourself and pissing off everyone else.[/QUOTE]
If the glitch/coupon only lasts from store opening till maybe NOON of that day before they squash it, then those who would take advantage of it for flipping/hoarding lose out by being altruistic and leaving some for others.
They lose out on potential profit by trying to be 'nice' and as we've seen many times being nice gets you nowhere in this world.
So if it's a case of grabbing everything and if I get stuck with 3-4 of them offering them for my shipping cost($4 on average if I have a bubble mailer already, $5 if I need to buy one) or waiting and hoping some lazy ass gets there before the sale/glitch ends, I'll choose to be greedy and 'grab all dem shitz' every time.
If the glitch/coupon only lasts from store opening till maybe NOON of that day before they squash it, then those who would take advantage of it for flipping/hoarding lose out by being altruistic and leaving some for others.
They lose out on potential profit by trying to be 'nice' and as we've seen many times being nice gets you nowhere in this world.
So if it's a case of grabbing everything and if I get stuck with 3-4 of them offering them for my shipping cost($4 on average if I have a bubble mailer already, $5 if I need to buy one) or waiting and hoping some lazy ass gets there before the sale/glitch ends, I'll choose to be greedy and 'grab all dem shitz' every time.
olde_english
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I'm not really bothered by hoarders and flippers, especially if I'm not there on time to get in on the deal. It's not like I've ever had chase down El Hoardo in Target for nicking a game out my hand. Besides, surely most of the clearance gear gets bought by the employees? Certainly that's how it's been in all the stores I've worked/managed.
The only thing I think is a bit cheeky is when a community member takes info from here and uses it to profit from another CAG, and even then that's relative - I bought a World Of Goo code from someone who got in on the Spike VGA giveaway a while back and even though they got it for free, I still gladly forked over the cash because a) I was busy that night so I wasn't in a position to try it myself and b) it was a great price for a great game.
If you're like the Zhu Zhu resellers hawking their exorbitantly marked-up wares from Walmart bags in the local Walmart parking lot however (something I saw a couple of times last Xmas), you're probably asking for a slap.
The only thing I think is a bit cheeky is when a community member takes info from here and uses it to profit from another CAG, and even then that's relative - I bought a World Of Goo code from someone who got in on the Spike VGA giveaway a while back and even though they got it for free, I still gladly forked over the cash because a) I was busy that night so I wasn't in a position to try it myself and b) it was a great price for a great game.
If you're like the Zhu Zhu resellers hawking their exorbitantly marked-up wares from Walmart bags in the local Walmart parking lot however (something I saw a couple of times last Xmas), you're probably asking for a slap.
[quote name='dyeknom']As for the normal work force? Sure, it's more like the vast majority of us are more like indentured servants than slaves... but those of kids or debt which cannot be extinguished... have no choice in this economy other than to continue jobs we hate... unless you consider feeding/taking care of your children a choice... and if that's the case... well, I just won't even get into that.[/QUOTE]
While not having a job might be an unpalatable potential consequence of choosing not to attend work, you're still the one accountable for the decision. Having children is simply another result of choices we make; as is deciding to go into debt and/or paying it off.
You're not saying you don't have a choice. You're saying that you can't stomach risking the potential consequences of making different choices. However, your level of discomfort doesn't remove your free will.
While not having a job might be an unpalatable potential consequence of choosing not to attend work, you're still the one accountable for the decision. Having children is simply another result of choices we make; as is deciding to go into debt and/or paying it off.
You're not saying you don't have a choice. You're saying that you can't stomach risking the potential consequences of making different choices. However, your level of discomfort doesn't remove your free will.
[quote name='DPsx7']I haven't heard anything that stupid in a long time.[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize that "Weak Internet Smack 101" was holding their beginner's session in this thread today. My bad.
You're not entitled to anything. The fact remains; you GET a chance if you want one. Your problem is that you don't want to take advantage of that chance because you feel it's more important to do other things.
You're describing nothing more than not liking the potential consequences of making different decisions. Work or school; doesn't matter which. You're NOT forced to be there. You DON'T have to go. If you're there, no invisible force is making it impossible to leave. The fact that you don't like the idea of what might happen if you do holds no relevance.
If you're capable of consciously performing two behaviors, regardless of what they might be, and you perform Behavior A instead of Behavior B, you're doing so by choice. Free will. In your particular case, it's not that you can't get to video game sales. It's that you're either too fearful of the potential consequences of going or you feel that whatever else you're doing is of greater value.
I didn't realize that "Weak Internet Smack 101" was holding their beginner's session in this thread today. My bad.
You're not entitled to anything. The fact remains; you GET a chance if you want one. Your problem is that you don't want to take advantage of that chance because you feel it's more important to do other things.
You're describing nothing more than not liking the potential consequences of making different decisions. Work or school; doesn't matter which. You're NOT forced to be there. You DON'T have to go. If you're there, no invisible force is making it impossible to leave. The fact that you don't like the idea of what might happen if you do holds no relevance.
If you're capable of consciously performing two behaviors, regardless of what they might be, and you perform Behavior A instead of Behavior B, you're doing so by choice. Free will. In your particular case, it's not that you can't get to video game sales. It's that you're either too fearful of the potential consequences of going or you feel that whatever else you're doing is of greater value.
DPsx7
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[quote name='SteelSD']I didn't realize that "Weak Internet Smack 101" was holding their beginner's session in this thread today. My bad.
You're not entitled to anything. The fact remains; you GET a chance if you want one. Your problem is that you don't want to take advantage of that chance because you feel it's more important to do other things.
You're describing nothing more than not liking the potential consequences of making different decisions. Work or school; doesn't matter which. You're NOT forced to be there. You DON'T have to go. If you're there, no invisible force is making it impossible to leave. The fact that you don't like the idea of what might happen if you do holds no relevance.
If you're capable of consciously performing two behaviors, regardless of what they might be, and you perform Behavior A instead of Behavior B, you're doing so by choice. Free will. In your particular case, it's not that you can't get to video game sales. It's that you're either too fearful of the potential consequences of going or you feel that whatever else you're doing is of greater value.[/QUOTE]
There are no excuses. You're wrong in any and all ways, yet you still argue needlessly. Hoarders can go play in the street and get what they have coming to them. Or better yet let you buy it and then steal it from your hands, it's legal according to your BS... Oops, you should have been faster getting it to your car, you chose to go slow and you weren't going to play it.
The positive side to all this is without jobs you kids cannot buy as many games giving us productive people a better chance. As well as knowing that stores are being more careful and Ebay is taking most of your profits.
You're not entitled to anything. The fact remains; you GET a chance if you want one. Your problem is that you don't want to take advantage of that chance because you feel it's more important to do other things.
You're describing nothing more than not liking the potential consequences of making different decisions. Work or school; doesn't matter which. You're NOT forced to be there. You DON'T have to go. If you're there, no invisible force is making it impossible to leave. The fact that you don't like the idea of what might happen if you do holds no relevance.
If you're capable of consciously performing two behaviors, regardless of what they might be, and you perform Behavior A instead of Behavior B, you're doing so by choice. Free will. In your particular case, it's not that you can't get to video game sales. It's that you're either too fearful of the potential consequences of going or you feel that whatever else you're doing is of greater value.[/QUOTE]
There are no excuses. You're wrong in any and all ways, yet you still argue needlessly. Hoarders can go play in the street and get what they have coming to them. Or better yet let you buy it and then steal it from your hands, it's legal according to your BS... Oops, you should have been faster getting it to your car, you chose to go slow and you weren't going to play it.
The positive side to all this is without jobs you kids cannot buy as many games giving us productive people a better chance. As well as knowing that stores are being more careful and Ebay is taking most of your profits.
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[quote name='DPsx7']That's exactly what I do. And also why I've said that hoarders only need to wait a day or so, then anything goes. While not every sale is cleaned out it has happened. Basically my whole reason for joining the discussion is because these idiots try to rationalize it when there's no way that's going to happen. No different than people who try to rationalize piracy. You're only kidding yourself and pissing off everyone else.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? Piracy and buying legal copies in the store are the same thing? Are you really equating those things?
And your arbritrary one day rule? Who enforces that? There's a reason why the damn games are on clearance in the first place. The stores want to get rid of them and it doesn't matter to them if one or a million people buy the old product.
You seem to have no idea how a business runs but you feel that you should tell everyone (including me in the past) how we should do business.
Long story short: Go yourself, DPsx.
Are you kidding me? Piracy and buying legal copies in the store are the same thing? Are you really equating those things?
And your arbritrary one day rule? Who enforces that? There's a reason why the damn games are on clearance in the first place. The stores want to get rid of them and it doesn't matter to them if one or a million people buy the old product.
You seem to have no idea how a business runs but you feel that you should tell everyone (including me in the past) how we should do business.
Long story short: Go
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