Why do we tolerate Microsoft's Red Ring??

[quote name='Unickuta']I haven't even gotten into Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo 5, God of War III, SOCOM: Confrontation, Tekken 6, MotorStorm 2, The Getaway 3, Haze, and Killzone 2. I'm being objective- I have a PS3 and 360 sitting right next to each other, and there's no way the 360 beats the PS3 in 2008. Oh, and Blu-Ray beat HD-DVD. :D[/quote]


if you think FF XIII or GT5 are hitting before 2009, your dreaming.

The PS3 has the promise of great games, down the road... 360 has great games now.

I dont own a PS3... yet... but I will. Theres really no gaming related reason to get one yet imo.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']You want to defend MS then go ahead, maybe your mom and day buys your 360 so you don't have to feel the pain of losing money. Maybe your mom and dad sends off your 360 and buys you a new one at the same time. I don't know your situation, but I find it pretty rediculous that your in here defending Microsoft.. you want to kiss MS' ass then no problem, that your choice. I only want whats best for the consumer, I worked hard as hell to earn my 249.99 plus tax. 30 perfect failure rate for a product is unacceptable. You may not agree or understand where I'm coming from.. but maybe one day you will.[/QUOTE]

So instead of acknowledging that he had acceptable and sound rebuttals to your foundations of lawsuit proposal you go ahead and insult him and make generalizations.

IF you really thought that the failure rate was so unacceptable then you shouldn't have bought one.:roll:

Why are you even in this thread?
 
[quote name='Fuzi0n']DRE on the PS2 shouldn't even count, it was the easiest thing to fix. The RRoD is another story.[/quote]


I fixed my ps2's dre issues by purchasing another ps2. If thats your idea of 'easy', then yeah, it was easy.

If your talking about adjusting that little white gear inside the ps2, all that did was prolong the inevitable. Most people I know who tried that got another few weeks out of their ps2's, but they all eventually had to buy new ones.
 
[quote name='desz']Check out ladies and gentleman, the red ring is like second nature to xbox 360 owners by now, but I just realized how f up it is to finally get one during the worst time possible. I had 3 HD-DVD movies ready to watch from a Blockbuster 4 week online free trial, and bamm it hit me.. I had some community tournaments to attend to, but now...bamm it's over..I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think I can tolerate this crap from Microsoft. Why do we tolerate this??? What is your opinion? Why should I keep using something that will die prematurely?

To ease my pain, I created this short video.. What else can I do with the dead box?..

http://tqcast.com/index.php?post_id=311969[/quote]

Well I don't speak for everybody but I think the reason I and a lot of people I know tolerate it is because we all have lots of people we know on Xbox Live that we play online with a lot. This is how Microsoft gets us and keeps us, unfortunately -_-
 
[quote name='Thomas96']You want to defend MS then go ahead, maybe your mom and day buys your 360 so you don't have to feel the pain of losing money. Maybe your mom and dad sends off your 360 and buys you a new one at the same time. I don't know your situation, but I find it pretty rediculous that your in here defending Microsoft.. you want to kiss MS' ass then no problem, that your choice. I only want whats best for the consumer, I worked hard as hell to earn my 249.99 plus tax. 30 perfect failure rate for a product is unacceptable. You may not agree or understand where I'm coming from.. but maybe one day you will.[/quote]
He's not defending Microsoft, he's just pointing out the flaws in your hilarious "Counts". I stand correct, anything you name won't hold up in court or you'll end up losing.
 
I would have to ask what the industry standard for testing actually is, and where the verification is that they complied with those regulations.

Secondarily, I would have to bring the standard into question that would allow a failure rate of whatever it actually is.
 
Well, for me it's the fact that in my time dealing with MS CS reps they haven't given me 17 different reasons why their own warranty doesn't count for seemingly-random reasons. Why would that bother me? It's mostly from the 17-odd calls I made to Sony CS reps over the course of my PS1 troubles and my brother's PS2 troubles. At least I can fix a PS2 DRE problem now without dealing with BS.

And no, before I get blasted to hell and beyond for possibly deriding Sony's CS, my impressions are based solely upon my own experiences. I imagine that plenty of people have had great luck with them and all the more power to them for that! If it has improved (and it sounds like it has) then fantastic!

Honestly, I have no problem waiting a few weeks to a month for (hopefully) my own system as opposed to being told random reasons why I have to pay upwards of $200 for what amounts to a 15 minute repair while still under their own warranty. That's not to say that MS's own repair center couldn't see some big improvements [if they can't give me my own system back I wouldn't mind them placing a Rock Band/EA-esque hold on a credit card and ship me back someone else's fixed system to speed up the process] but I'll take what I can get.

In the end all this means is that in the future I don't buy any hardware until at least a year and a half out of the gate as opposed to the year this generation.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I would have to ask what the industry standard for testing actually is, and where the verification is that they complied with those regulations.

Secondarily, I would have to bring the standard into question that would allow a failure rate of whatever it actually is.[/quote]


There was actually an article I recently read on Kotaku, some MS insider claimed that MS knew full well that the launch 360's were unreliable pieces of shit, but they pushed them out the door anyway cos they had to make launch. Looking at whats happened since, I have no problem believing this.

It was important for Micrsoft to launch first, and have a full holiday season where they were the only nextgen console on the market. So important that they rushed unfinished and poorly tested hardware onto the market.

You also have to take into account that Microsoft are not hardware designers or manufacturers. Nintendo and Sony are.
 
It is "tolerated" because we have no choice if we want to play the vast majority of good games that have come out over the last few years (and for the next few years to come). Not saying I'm thrilled with the MS behavior this generation, but as long as they keep delivering on what matters the most, then other complaints will have to take a backseat.

I do wonder if some of the ill-will they have built up is going to hurt them next time, though. I bought the 360 reasonably early in its lifespan because I liked what MS did with the first XBox and, despite a few things that seemed to be steps backwards or sideways, they were on the right track. I'll be applying the same philosophy next time around, so that means no early adoption for me. I want to know they've got their shit together on hardware and even more importantly DRM before I enlist in their ranks again.

[quote name='Unickuta']I haven't even gotten into Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo 5, God of War III, SOCOM: Confrontation, Tekken 6, MotorStorm 2, The Getaway 3, Haze, and Killzone 2.[/quote]
That's right - you haven't "gotten into" them, because they are not out, and many of those have no guarantee they'll be out in 2008. Half of those games will likely be good - the other half you're just projecting to be good and throwing out names to fill up a list. That always seems to be a fun activity for biased, reality-refusing gamers.

The 360 has good games out now with more on the way this year. The PS3's list of great games available now is paper-thin and can be counted on one hand with fingers to spare. That'll change because it has been out for a while - and it is the fucking Playstation, after all - but if you're going to try to do one of those ever-brilliant "HA HA MY LIST IS BETTER THAN YOURS" battles between the two consoles, the PS3 is going to come out on the losing end of the stick right now, and there ain't no two ways about it.

I'm being objective
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Bullshit. It's hardly impossible for someone owning multiple consoles to favor one over the other almost to the point of absurdity. I should know, I used to own a Wii.

Oh, and Blu-Ray beat HD-DVD.
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If the 360 had an HD DVD player built in, that would matter.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']I do wonder if some of the ill-will they have built up is going to hurt them next time, though.[/QUOTE]

Eh, it's a different cookie altogether from the PSX, but knowing numerous people (including myself) who had to turn the system on and then flip it over so I could play a PSX game didn't harm the PS2 sales very much.

I tolerate it for the exclusives it offers - I don't buy multiplatform games for the 360 because of it. That's my reaction to the 360's reliability.

I also tolerate it because, until April 2009, I will get the RROD repaired for free. Contact me again after April and see, when MS tells me I have to pay them to repair the RROD, if I still "tolerate" it.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']what does HD DVD have to do with it? Last time I checked there was no HD drive in the 360...[/quote]

Your selective language is impressive...:roll:
 
[quote name='Unickuta']Your selective language is impressive...:roll:[/quote]

Since when does a console accessory determine the console's place the current gen's standings? HD DVD's demise being used as an arguement against the Xbox 360 has got to be one of the dumbest, overused complaints against a console I've seen on here in a while.


CDX and 32X didn't make the Genesis any less badass.

R.O.B. and the Powerglove sucked ass but the original NES still has it's place in video game history.

No one forced anyone to buy these accessories. They didn't come built into/with the system. People bought this stuff separatley just like they bought the HD DVD drive. So to lump in the HD DVD drive as an arguement against the Xbox 360 is rediculous and shows how much of a powerhouse it is if a major complaint against it is an optional accessory.


P.S. My language wasn't "selective" - it was the truth.
 
[quote name='tokitoki50']So instead of acknowledging that he had acceptable and sound rebuttals to your foundations of lawsuit proposal you go ahead and insult him and make generalizations.

IF you really thought that the failure rate was so unacceptable then you shouldn't have bought one.:roll:

Why are you even in this thread?[/QUOTE]

When I bought one, there wasn't much going on in terms of failure rates. It wasn't such a mainstream issue then. When I bought my 360 MS hadn't even extended their 1 year warranty. and in my statement, I did admit to "not knowing his situation" and I wasn't insulting him. I don't think anyone here should be on MS' side, not anyone who paid for their 360 with their hard earned (or easily earned) money. Unless of course that person is actually satisfied with the 360 and MS' service thus far.
 
Since when or why do people make it sound like Killzone 2 is going to be a great game? Goddamn, the first one was a piece of crap and bored me to tears and they kept hyping it as a "Halo killer" (hell, I've played both and Halo only wins because of multiplayer and even Killzone fans have to agree, bit of a landlslide decision). Most fun I had in Killzone 1? Probably shooting the main character (Rico if I believe) with a turret gun and hearing his girlish screams of "Help me!" Eventhough he couldn't die and was supposed to be our fearless leader to boot. So people who think Killzone 2 is going to be great obviously didn't play the first one to be as disappointed as me or just need to get their head out their asses and play some good games. /End Rant
 
[quote name='Littlefields']He's not defending Microsoft, he's just pointing out the flaws in your hilarious "Counts". I stand correct, anything you name won't hold up in court or you'll end up losing.[/QUOTE]

I don't know whats so "hilarious" about this situation... If you want to laugh at me thats fine, but at least respect the seriousness of the situation, that could have been avoided with the proper planning.

MS got over on all of us this round. But if they release another Xbox I'm going to be real careful before I go and purchase their system .

What is funny about this situation is that I was more skeptical about buying a PS3, then a 360 becuase Sony had been rushing to get their product made, they had problems getting parts, manufacturing components, etc. But when it was all said and done, their product ended up being pretty good.
 
[quote name='Puffa469']I fixed my ps2's dre issues by purchasing another ps2. If thats your idea of 'easy', then yeah, it was easy.

If your talking about adjusting that little white gear inside the ps2, all that did was prolong the inevitable. Most people I know who tried that got another few weeks out of their ps2's, but they all eventually had to buy new ones.[/quote]

I adjusted it once after getting DRE's and never had to do it again, maybe I'm just lucky. It's 6 years and still going strong.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']When I bought one, there wasn't much going on in terms of failure rates. It wasn't such a mainstream issue then. When I bought my 360 MS hadn't even extended their 1 year warranty. and in my statement, I did admit to "not knowing his situation" and I wasn't insulting him. I don't think anyone here should be on MS' side, not anyone who paid for their 360 with their hard earned (or easily earned) money. Unless of course that person is actually satisfied with the 360 and MS' service thus far.[/QUOTE]

Short of a total recall of all xbox 360s, what hasn't MS done to appease it's customers?

I'm pretty satisfied with my purchase which I bought with my hard earned money, which you seem to tout like it's a badge of honor or something. I'm happy they extended my warrenty. I'm happy they have at least competent tech support. I'm happy they have a decent online service and a wide selection of games and exclusives.

Why do I tolerate the fact that my xbox 360 could red ring? BECAUSE THERES NO ALTERNATIVE.

My brother has a PS3; it pretty much collects dust in our apartment. My 360 on the other hand is used practically every day by at one of us.

Your argument is so overplayed. "MS is evil, their consoles just die and they laugh and laugh as Bill Gates swims in his money mocking the common man." Never mind the fact that they are changing the chipsets to falcons or condors or whatever it is, and shelling out over a billion dollars to extend warrenties.

I'm not saying that the hardware failure rates are good, but at least they're doing something about it.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Hardly a reason...[/quote]
Hey, reason enough for me. Plus one of the only EA games I give a shit about this generation (unless you want to count Orange Box).
 
[quote name='bardockkun']Since when or why do people make it sound like Killzone 2 is going to be a great game? Goddamn, the first one was a piece of crap and bored me to tears and they kept hyping it as a "Halo killer" (hell, I've played both and Halo only wins because of multiplayer and even Killzone fans have to agree, bit of a landlslide decision). Most fun I had in Killzone 1? Probably shooting the main character (Rico if I believe) with a turret gun and hearing his girlish screams of "Help me!" Eventhough he couldn't die and was supposed to be our fearless leader to boot. So people who think Killzone 2 is going to be great obviously didn't play the first one to be as disappointed as me or just need to get their head out their asses and play some good games. /End Rant[/QUOTE]



The xbox set the bar so high for FPS games, that the PS2 couldn't compete with it. The FPS genre was basically the PS2's weakest link. Especially when compared to xbox library of FPS games. If Killzone 1 would have come out on the 360, it would have been a much better game imo. You can produce a grade A FPS on the PS3, because the PS3 has equal resources, the PS2 wasn't equal to the xbox and none of its FPS games could reach the bar primarily set by Halo 1 and 2.

Even though Killzone 1 wasn't great, it doesn't have any bearing on the potential success of Killzone 2.
 
[quote name='tokitoki50']Short of a total recall of all xbox 360s, what hasn't MS done to appease it's customers?

I'm pretty satisfied with my purchase which I bought with my hard earned money, which you seem to tout like it's a badge of honor or something. I'm happy they extended my warrenty. I'm happy they have at least competent tech support. I'm happy they have a decent online service and a wide selection of games and exclusives.

Why do I tolerate the fact that my xbox 360 could red ring? BECAUSE THERES NO ALTERNATIVE.

My brother has a PS3; it pretty much collects dust in our apartment. My 360 on the other hand is used practically every day by at one of us.

Your argument is so overplayed. "MS is evil, their consoles just die and they laugh and laugh as Bill Gates swims in his money mocking the common man." Never mind the fact that they are changing the chipsets to falcons or condors or whatever it is, and shelling out over a billion dollars to extend warrenties.


[edit] you were right.. I didn't even notice.. I think a total recall would be best... its better to handle the recall yourself than to be forced to do it via a class action lawsuit.

I'm not saying that the hardware failure rates are good, but at least they're doing something about it.[/QUOTE]

okay, well when MS gets that class action lawsuit, don't participate, send them an email and tell them your happy with their service. The problem is how many times do you have to replace something to get it to work? If the initial set of 360s were bad, fine... but when you got people going through 3 and 4 bad systems then that's more than just an error, its a trend. How many months of live have people lost while their 360 was in repair? - several times.

I've complained... in several posts.. but I think I'll tell you what the solution is... MS needs to design a 360 that works. 65nm chips, maybe 45nm chips, whatever solution they come up with everyone who has a 360 needs to get an updated version of the 360 that's redesigned. If it nothing but you sending in your old one and they making the changes by hand. If not for everyone at least for the people that have gone through several systems.

Maybe MS purposely put out a faulty system knowing that people like you would say "THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE" and buy multiple 360s. Probably false, but I mean its damn sure a good way to get your system to sell, two consoles per person. Also instead of giving new 360s to replace bad ones they give you refurbished ones that end up having the same problem- then you get frustrated and buy a new 360.
 
I tolerate it now because I have a PS3, which isn't my fall back system. Any third party game, unless it is completely lacking in some areas, I purchased for PS3. I am slowly weeding myself away from 360, purchasing some "exclusives" that hit 360, on the PC. I am sick of sending in my system for repairs. I can't drop $60 (figuratively, this is CAG) on a game just to wondering if when I want to play it, it might not be able to. MS failed this generation, but Sony had me just as pissed when my first fat PS2 broke and I found out the DRE were common. I waited until Sony fixed this problem and made the slim, and then I repurchased a PS2. I am going to do the same with 360. As soon as it comes back from repairs, it is going to Craigslist or Ebay. I still have another back up 360 that I fixed with the X-clamp mod (which obviously works Microsoft!). Fortunately, I only spent $80 on that.
 
[quote name='Bretts31344']I tolerate it now because I have a PS3, which isn't my fall back system. Any third party game, unless it is completely lacking in some areas, I purchased for PS3. I am slowly weeding myself away from 360, purchasing some "exclusives" that hit 360, on the PC. I am sick of sending in my system for repairs. I can't drop $60 (figuratively, this is CAG) on a game just to wondering if when I want to play it, it might not be able to. MS failed this generation, but Sony had me just as pissed when my first fat PS2 broke and I found out the DRE were common. I waited until Sony fixed this problem and made the slim, and then I repurchased a PS2.[/quote]

QFT
 
[quote name='Thomas96']The xbox set the bar so high for FPS games, that the PS2 couldn't compete with it. The FPS genre was basically the PS2's weakest link. Especially when compared to xbox library of FPS games. If Killzone 1 would have come out on the 360, it would have been a much better game imo. You can produce a grade A FPS on the PS3, because the PS3 has equal resources, the PS2 wasn't equal to the xbox and none of its FPS games could reach the bar primarily set by Halo 1 and 2.

Even though Killzone 1 wasn't great, it doesn't have any bearing on the potential success of Killzone 2.[/QUOTE]

Nonsense. All equal power does is mean it can be as good graphically. Doesn't mean the gamplay, story etc. etc. will be any better. It could be, but being on the PS3 will have no impact on that stuff.
 
[quote name='Bretts31344']I tolerate it now because I have a PS3, which isn't my fall back system. Any third party game, unless it is completely lacking in some areas, I purchased for PS3. I am slowly weeding myself away from 360, purchasing some "exclusives" that hit 360, on the PC. I am sick of sending in my system for repairs. I can't drop $60 (figuratively, this is CAG) on a game just to wondering if when I want to play it, it might not be able to. MS failed this generation, but Sony had me just as pissed when my first fat PS2 broke and I found out the DRE were common. I waited until Sony fixed this problem and made the slim, and then I repurchased a PS2. I am going to do the same with 360. As soon as it comes back from repairs, it is going to Craigslist or Ebay. I still have another back up 360 that I fixed with the X-clamp mod (which obviously works Microsoft!). Fortunately, I only spent $80 on that.[/QUOTE]



I've been doing the same thing.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Nonsense. All equal power does is mean it can be as good graphically. Doesn't mean the gamplay, story etc. etc. will be any better. It could be, but being on the PS3 will have no impact on that stuff.[/QUOTE]

A FPS shooter is the easiet game to make. gameplay wise. All your doing is aiming a reticle infront of the screen. Killzone has a pretty good universe and story. Not that many people decided to play Killzone 1 because it wasn't good. Graphicaly, It didn't even look as good as Black on PS2. One of the main problems of the game, was AI.. poor AI can definitely be attributed to a lack of system resources. At least the PS3 give additional resouces can be properly allocated to AI, and Graphics. As long as the Gameplay, AI, and graphics are good then the story doesn't matter. I played Halo, 1 and 2, and didn't know what the hell was going on in terms of the story.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']As long as the Gameplay, AI, and graphics are good then the story doesn't matter.[/quote]

Yeah! As long as the 3 hardest things to put into a game are done right then the game will be good! Any schmuck can write a halfway decent story.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']A FPS shooter is the easiet game to make. gameplay wise. All your doing is aiming a reticle infront of the screen. [/quote]

And that makes it the hardest to make stand out from the pack. They're a dime a dozen, and it takes something special to make a hit that's not a sequel to an already successful franchise.

Killzone was as bland as they come IMO, and that's why I gave it a rental and only a few hours of play.

The graphics will be better in the sequel, and maybe the AI will as well, but it needs something to set it out from the pack. Something like the great story, atmosphere and extra powers in Bioshock, the customization and leveling in CoD4's online play etc.
 
Hey i have all the systems and yes i got the RROD but instead of bitching i got online and i found out how to fix it and i did. It took about 20 mins and it was back up and running and it only cost about $25 and if it happens again i can use the same supplies if thats too much for you then get the PS3 and miss out on the great games on and coming to the 360 I mean wht more do you want they fixed the issuse witht he new systems and they give you a 3 year warrarty so stop crying and deal with it.
 
As a cheapass, I'm willing to risk getting a 360 right now because it is so cost effective for the games. I had not jumped into the next gen until now. So I can get great games for cheap. Like CoD2 for $12. Crackdown for $20. GRAW for $12. GRAW2 for $26... and on and on. There is something to be said for being behind the curve :)

Of course if the damn thing breaks on me in the near future, then I suppose I'll be pissed. But if I can get a year or two out of it before it breaks, I'll be happy. That may be wishful thinking, but I'm a medium to light gamer, so I don't punish the hardware too much, so I think I have a chance.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']Yeah! As long as the 3 hardest things to put into a game are done right then the game will be good! Any schmuck can write a halfway decent story.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='dmaul1114']And that makes it the hardest to make stand out from the pack. They're a dime a dozen, and it takes something special to make a hit that's not a sequel to an already successful franchise.

Killzone was as bland as they come IMO, and that's why I gave it a rental and only a few hours of play.

The graphics will be better in the sequel, and maybe the AI will as well, but it needs something to set it out from the pack. Something like the great story, atmosphere and extra powers in Bioshock, the customization and leveling in CoD4's online play etc.[/QUOTE]

Your both right, but at the time of Halo's initial release, it was graphics, Multiplayer (online/offline) that set it apart from the pack. At the time, there hadn't been another good FPS since Goldeneye. EA tried with a couple of FPS 007 games, Unreal Tournament on PS2 was terrible. part of Halo's success is that it filled the void, there were no really outstanding FPS games at the time of its release, and parts 2 and 3, just followed up on what made the first one great. The update in graphics and A.I maybe the main ingredients to make Killzone 2 successful. The question is.. are people willing to give Killzone 2 a chance to impress them.. people are saying the game isn't going to be good because of the mistakes made by the original Killzone.
 
We tolerate it because of the software library, and features unique to the system like Live.

Also, many of us have already been programmed to accept it, I had to turn my Atari on a certain way to make it work, blow into nintendo cartridges, turn my PS1 upside down after a few years, had to clean out my PS2 after DRE's, and for some reason have broken the L shoulder button on a couple DS's. The Gamecube is the only system I've never experienced a problem on. I don't think they build these things to last.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Your both right, but at the time of Halo's initial release, it was graphics, Multiplayer (online/offline) that set it apart from the pack.
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It was also the AI, character and level design (back tracking aside) and story/setting that made Halo great.

It was the first console FPS I played that had such smart enemies that would use cover, flank you etc. The characters were great, the sci fi story was right up my alley, and the levels/scenarios were awesome for the most part.

Killzone on the other hand, IMO had dumb enemies, boring levels, boring plot etc. It was just a generic FPS.

The update in graphics and A.I maybe the main ingredients to make Killzone 2 successful.
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Graphics and AI will help, but they also have to nail the setting, plot, characters, weapons etc. to make it more than another dime a dozen FPS. B

Bland FPS's just don't fly after stuff like Halo, Half-life 2, Bioshock etc.
 
[quote name='ajm1240']
Of course if the damn thing breaks on me in the near future, then I suppose I'll be pissed. But if I can get a year or two out of it before it breaks, I'll be happy. That may be wishful thinking, but I'm a medium to light gamer, so I don't punish the hardware too much, so I think I have a chance.[/quote]

And the truth is, you're gonna get a 3year period of gaming. Supposing that you have a couple of breakdowns, you'll only be out 2 maybe three months. Three years, while much less than what one might generally expect, isn't really that bad. Plus, when the 3 year grace period runs out, you can just trade it in. So, in reality, you'll have only paid like half for the gaming.

Sucks though, if you're a collector of sorts I guess.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It was also the AI, character and level design (back tracking aside) and story/setting that made Halo great.

It was the first console FPS I played that had such smart enemies that would use cover, flank you etc. The characters were great, the sci fi story was right up my alley, and the levels/scenarios were awesome for the most part.

Killzone on the other hand, IMO had dumb enemies, boring levels, boring plot etc. It was just a generic FPS.


Graphics and AI will help, but they also have to nail the setting, plot, characters, weapons etc. to make it more than another dime a dozen FPS. B

Bland FPS's just don't fly after stuff like Halo, Half-life 2, Bioshock etc.[/QUOTE]


I think that if Killzone would have been on the xbox, it would have been better received, and it would have turned out to be a better game overall, due to the additional system resources available on the system. No one plays Halo because it has a good plot, and a good story. Most people don't even know, or care what's going on in the series.
 
My biggest issue with the 360, is that MORE THAN 2 YEARS LATER, THEY STILL HAVEN'T FIXED THE INITIAL HARDWARE FAILURE ISSUE!! Anyone who thinks they've remedied the situation is sorely incorrect. I bought a new premium 360, with HDMI, on Halo 3 launch day, and it's reached the phase of constant freezing that takes place right before the inevitable RROD in less than 6 months.

More than 2 years later and Microsoft's still releasing every console with a manufacturing defect and people treat the OP like dicks because he's pissed off about it? Would you buy any other product that had to be shipped away for repairs every 6 months or so? As I've said many times before, if it wasn't for my passion for games, I'd have tossed my last 360 that RROD'd in the trash and never looked back.
 
[quote name='afilgueirasjr']Hey i have all the systems and yes i got the RROD but instead of bitching i got online and i found out how to fix it and i did. It took about 20 mins and it was back up and running and it only cost about $25 and if it happens again i can use the same supplies if thats too much for you then get the PS3 and miss out on the great games on and coming to the 360 I mean wht more do you want they fixed the issuse witht he new systems and they give you a 3 year warrarty so stop crying and deal with it.[/quote]

Right, that is like saying this. Crap my car broke down. I looked online and found the transmission is shot, so I bought one to replace it. It only took a little work, but it now runs fine. Just because you are technically inclined doesn't mean the average 360 user is.

Oh, and as for "fixing it", I assume you did the X-clamp mod, which only fixes the CPU/GPU problem. Have fun once your disk drive craps out, because those run at least $40 and then you have to flash your original key. Not so cheap after all huh.

As for the warranty, I don't care if it is a lifetime warranty. When the system is getting fixed for 3 weeks at a time, that means I can't PLAY games on it. I don't know about you, but I buy video game consoles to PLAY video games when I have free time, not just when the system functions randomly.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I think that if Killzone would have been on the xbox, it would have been better received, and it would have turned out to be a better game overall, due to the additional system resources available on the system. No one plays Halo because it has a good plot, and a good story. Most people don't even know, or care what's going on in the series.[/QUOTE]

I'm just speaking for myself, not trying to generalize to others.

Killzone sucked balls as it was just as generic an FPS as you can get. Maybe the sequel will be better. I couldn't care less as there's more than enough great FPS's on the 360 that I don't care about missing a couple on the PS3.

And I did care about the plot, setting etc. in Halo. Games must have at least a serviceable plot or I'll never finish them. Particularly FPS as there are so fucking many of them, having a good plot seperates the cream of the crop for me.
 
On my 4th 360 and I keep coming back because of Xbox Live.... I love online FPS and sports games and they are not the same on the PS3. That being sad I have started moving to the PS3 for a few offline games after my latest 360 died last month. Also I prefer the 360 controller over the PS3 any day! Also have a Wii but that thing is a joke, if that's your primary gaming system you really missing out. :D
 
I don't tolerate it because it hasn't happened to me yet. I know it's a given that it will, but I just haven't been playing it so it probably won't happen anytime soon.
 
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