Why Does ANYONE Start SMOKING?

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I'm not bashing anyone who smokes. My 2 best friends smoke and it is their decision, not mine. I just don't understand the appeal (I've never tried it though) and I've never met a single person who smokes who doesn't want to stop (or at least want to stop in the future). My question is why start in the first place? Nothing good EVER comes of it and eventually it will kill you (well, probably - I do know people who smoked for 65 years and died of other causes in their 80s but at the same time I know people who smoked for 10 years, quit for 60 and still died of smoking-related lung cancer).

My two friends don't have a good answer as to why they started... any smokers want to enlighten me? Also, if you do smoke, do you wish you could quit?
 
Stress, peer pressure, to be "cool", because it's the "rebel" or "in-thing" to do, because their parents smoked or because they simply enjoy it. Lots of different reasons why someone would start smoking.
 
I can't come up with any other answer other than stupidity, same with all drugs. I wish I could get my old man to quit smoking. But indeed, NOTHING good comes of it. Waste of money, waste of health, waste of life.
 
[quote name='gmzone']Stress, peer pressure, to be "cool", because it's the "rebel" or "in-thing" to do, because their parents smoked or because they simply enjoy it. Lots of different reasons why someone would start smoking.[/QUOTE]

Those aren't really real reasons IMO (other than maybe because you watched your parents do it for 20 years). Doing something because it's "cool" or "rebellious" shows a serious weakness in character. I'd like to believe that there aren't that many weak-minded people walking around out there...
 
[quote name='javeryh']I'd like to believe that there aren't that many weak-minded people walking around out there...[/QUOTE]
You're in for a disappointment, I'm afraid.
 
I don't get it either. My nephew(15) has been getting into trouble sneeking smokes and such.

With all the information and education out there, it's a wonder why anyone starts.

I guess it comes down to making bad choices due to peer pressure, low self esteam, etc... I wouldn't imagine someone just picking up the habit just becuase.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Those aren't really real reasons IMO (other than maybe because you watched your parents do it for 20 years). Doing something because it's "cool" or "rebellious" shows a serious weakness in character. I'd like to believe that there aren't that many weak-minded people walking around out there...[/QUOTE]

Eh, why do people drink?
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Eh, why do people drink?[/QUOTE]

Drinking and smoking are totally unrelated vices. I drink mostly on the weekends and occasionally during the week (and I used to drink A LOT in college) but if someone told me I could never have another drink again I don't think I would really care. It's something that most people can stop doing easily at will unlike smoking which hooks its users until they die or go through some very unpleasant withdrawl.
 
A friend of mine started smoking in high school, and I asked him the same thing. He wasn't stupid, he was not the product of poor upbringing (family or neighborhood,) and he didn't fit the pierced, tattooed, rebel-without-a-clue stereotype. In short, he should have known better. I asked him how he could possibly reconcile the obvious detriments--physical and economical--with the poor rewards....and I received an entirely unsatisfactory answer which more or less summed up to: I dunno. Which, I took to mean that we weren't close enough friends for him to explain it to me. Either that, or he honestly wasn't sure how he started, himself.
 
Personally I would do it because it shortens your lifespan, but that's just me. However that's the only upside and the high cost means I will never smoke. :lol:
 
I started smoking when i was 16 because it gave me a wicked buzz! That first cigarrette buzz is truly killer. I think thats why most people start, to catch a buzz. But after smoking awhile the buzz no longer kicks in as hard as it did in the days.
I do enjoy it, especially while drinking, but I will quit when we have kids. I know its a hard thing to kick, but i have quit other much harder substances.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Drinking and smoking are totally unrelated vices. I drink mostly on the weekends and occasionally during the week (and I used to drink A LOT in college) but if someone told me I could never have another drink again I don't think I would really care. It's something that most people can stop doing easily at will unlike smoking which hooks its users until they die or go through some very unpleasant withdrawl.[/QUOTE]

So you're not an alcoholic. Some people do need to drink every day, and some smokers can quit at any time. It just depends on the person. Personally I think drinking is worse precisely because it's done for the effect and not just habit.
 
ive often wondered this myself, i know that most people start in their teens with peer pressure or impressing others as being the reasons, but i never got why people would start after high school.

i think by that point in your life you should be both smart enough an secure enough in who you are to not take up an unhealthy addiction to fit in.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']So you're not an alcoholic. Some people do need to drink every day, and some smokers can quit at any time. It just depends on the person. Personally I think drinking is worse precisely because it's done for the effect and not just habit.[/QUOTE]

yeah, I definitely recognize that there are plenty of people out there who can't stop drinking but I really don't know anyone who can stop smoking just because they feel like it. I know plenty of people who are of the "only smoke when I drink variety" but I wouldn't really consider them smokers I guess...
 
[quote name='FoeHammer']I started smoking when i was 16 because it gave me a wicked buzz! That first cigarrette buzz is truly killer. I think thats why most people start, to catch a buzz. But after smoking awhile the buzz no longer kicks in as hard as it did in the days.
I do enjoy it, especially while drinking, but I will quit when we have kids. I know its a hard thing to kick, but i have quit other much harder substances.[/QUOTE]

Not to sound square, I get my buzz from disemboweling Brutes with Brute Shots.
 
Parents did it for my first 17 years or so. I was very anti-smoking. Then when they went through a divorce, the combination of that and the people i was hanging around with (not peer pressure) enjoying random brands of smokey treats, i just said to hell with it. I actually prefer, and enjoy, smoking Djarum Black cigs. Yep, cloves. On vacation or even really stressful times i'll go and buy a pack, and i might have half (10)...but for my GF's sake i dont have them all that often.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Drinking and smoking are totally unrelated vices. I drink mostly on the weekends and occasionally during the week (and I used to drink A LOT in college) but if someone told me I could never have another drink again I don't think I would really care. It's something that most people can stop doing easily at will unlike smoking which hooks its users until they die or go through some very unpleasant withdrawl.[/QUOTE]

Haha sure buddy, tell yourself that to justify what YOU do. If you look at the causes for smoking and drinking, they're nearly identical. It's just that one has become less socially acceptable in recent years, which doesn't make the other any more responsible.

If that last line were true, then there wouldn't be any alcoholics. And no, alcoholism isn't uncommon, or more uncommon than smoking. Take your head out of the ground Mr. Ostrich.

Also, while drinking may be less physically harmful than smoking, it's also far more mentally harmful. And smoking doesn't harm others (don't blow 2nd hand smoke propaghanda up my ass either).


Here's 2 thoughts:

I'd rather have a parent that smokes as opposed to being an alcoholic.

They have DUI, but they don't have Driving While Smoking. Why do you think that is?
 
[quote name='evilmax17']
They have DUI, but they don't have Driving While Smoking. Why do you think that is?[/QUOTE]

because alcohol is a depressant that impares your response time and motor skills.

cigarettes do neither of those.

im against both, but your point there was kinda ridiculous
 
If you seriously think there are as many alcoholics as smokers in the world then there's no point in even finishing this post. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though ....

Haha sure buddy, tell yourself that to justify what YOU do. If you look at the causes for smoking and drinking, they're nearly identical. It's just that one has become less socially acceptable in recent years, which doesn't make the other any more responsible.

Please explain what these causes are - I know why I have an occasional drink but I do not understand why people smoke because, you know... IT CAUSES CANCER AND WILL KILL YOU IF YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH. Not maybe, not probably - definitely. An occasional drink on the weekends (while admittedly not the healthiest way to live) is unlikely to produce any long-term seriously harmful effects.

If that last line were true, then there wouldn't be any alcoholics. And no, alcoholism isn't uncommon, or more uncommon than smoking. Take your head out of the ground Mr. Ostrich.

Yikes.

Also, while drinking may be less physically harmful than smoking, it's also far more mentally harmful. And smoking doesn't harm others (don't blow 2nd hand smoke propaghanda up my ass either).

Are you serious? You seriously think there are no ill-effects to second hand smoke? Go tell that to any pregnant woman. I'm no doctor but I'm reasonably sure that breathing air is a little better for you than inhaling second-hand smoke. If breathing air is neutral, and inhaling second-hand smoke is not good then by default it has to be bad for you.

Here's 2 thoughts:

I'd rather have a parent that smokes as opposed to being an alcoholic.

I agree - I think anyone would.

They have DUI, but they don't have Driving While Smoking. Why do you think that is?

Um, I don't know but here's a wild stab in the dark.... drinking actually impairs your ability to drive and smoking does not. What does that have to do with anything?
 
[quote name='punqsux']because alcohol is a depressant that impares your response time and motor skills.

cigarettes do neither of those.

im against both, but your point there was kinda ridiculous[/QUOTE]

That was my point. It seemed like javery was trying to make drinking look better than smoking by providing an arbitrary justification, but it simply isn't the case.

I'm with you punqo.
 
I think everyone should drink, smoke, do hard drugs, and have unprotected sex all the goddamn time. We all have to die of something.
 
[quote name='javeryh']If you seriously think there are as many alcoholics as smokers in the world then there's no point in even finishing this post. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though ....



Please explain what these causes are - I know why I have an occasional drink but I do not understand why people smoke because, you know... IT CAUSES CANCER AND WILL KILL YOU IF YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH. Not maybe, not probably - definitely. An occasional drink on the weekends (while admittedly not the healthiest way to live) is unlikely to produce any long-term seriously harmful effects.



Yikes.



Are you serious? You seriously think there are no ill-effects to second hand smoke? Go tell that to any pregnant woman. I'm no doctor but I'm reasonably sure that breathing air is a little better for you than inhaling second-hand smoke. If breathing air is neutral, and inhaling second-hand smoke is not good then by default it has to be bad for you.



I agree - I think anyone would.



Um, I don't know but here's a wild stab in the dark.... drinking actually impairs your ability to drive and smoking does not. What does that have to do with anything?[/QUOTE]

i think your problem here is that you are comparing your casual drinking to a chain smoker.

i will agree that i believe more people are addicted to cigarettes than alcohol.

casual drinkers > alcoholics
Casual smokers < addicted smokers
 
[quote name='evilmregg']I think everyone should drink, smoke, do hard drugs, and have unprotected sex all the goddamn time. We all have to die of something.[/QUOTE]
Why not old age?
 
[quote name='evilmregg']I think everyone should drink, smoke, do hard drugs, and have unprotected sex all the goddamn time. We all have to die of something.[/QUOTE]

See that's the thing. Death is inevitable. So why go out of your way to speed it up (unless you don't care about life and are suicidal)?
 
I don't do drugs, I don't like to drink anymore (2 years straight of being an alcholic as a teenager was enough), I only smoke cigarettes when I drink (drinking and cigarettes are a rarity together) and can't smoke the green herb, and I don't gamble.... so what am I guilty of again?!!? Why is everyone looking at me? Oh yeah, I still don't do drugs, Weed IS NOT a drug! Bill Clinton told me so
 
[quote name='jennie25']I don't do drugs, I don't like to drink anymore (2 years straight of being an alcholic as a teenager was enough), I only smoke cigarettes when I drink (drinking and cigarettes are a rarity together) and can't smoke the green herb, and I don't gamble.... so what am I guilty of again?!!? Why is everyone looking at me? Oh yeah, I still don't do drugs, Weed IS NOT a drug! Bill Clinton told me so[/QUOTE]

Haha, just cuz Bubba said don't make it troo.
 
This guy who smoked told me that the reason he smoke is because he think better when he smoke. Not sure if that's the reason other people smoke or not.
 
[quote name='evilmregg']Because it's better to burn out than to fade away.[/QUOTE]
On the subject of just smoking, I think people that die from lung and throat and whatever assorted cancers and whatnot count as "fading away."
 
[quote name='evilmregg']Because it's better to burn out than to fade away.[/QUOTE]

so you would go out in a big bang?
like a shootout with the cops during a botched bank heist?
 
[quote name='2poor']so you would go out in a big bang?
like a shootout with the cops during a botched bank heist?[/QUOTE]

Why would someone plan to botch a bank heist?
 
I really don't know how people can start, either. It's really a confidence thing. You do it to fit in, you do it to look cool...(Some people think they look cool and suave while doing it, which is contrary to what my friends and I think) ...who knows.

I had a friend who really messed up his life to drugs. They basically became his life. It started out with cigarettes, he moved on to weed and basically become a party guy that did nothing else. While I dont' believe he ever got into hard, hard stuff, weed was basically what he "dedicated" his life to. He'd always use cigarettes as a substitute when he couldn't get any. I asked him why he did it, and he said it was because it gave him "a buzz." Bullcrap. Oh, and he also said that people who couldn't quit smoking were weak people that couldn't control themselves...but assured me he could quit if he wanted to.

So really, I don't know why people do it. It sucks that it's harmful to other people, too. My parents both smoked for the first 12 years of my life (and my dad still does), and I'm wondering how much of a toll it took on my body. (Not that I hold it against them...)

I'm basically going to mirror what someone said earlier:
I can understand drinking
I can understand pot
I can understand hard stuff
I cannot understand smoking
 
People smoke for the same reason people get tattoos and people buy the $800 pair of sneakers, to fit in and show off to their friends.

There isn't a person on earth who took up smoking to enjoy "The crisp, refreshing flavor of premium tobacco!" :)

We all did it cuz someone we know did it, or someone we wanted to impress (or not get hassled about why we DIDN'T smoke). Smoking is really a social disease.
 
I think the better question is why would people start smoking when it's a fairly unpleasant habit?

When you have your first few drinks, you get drunk and it feels good. The after effects notwithstanding, being drunk is more or less an enjoyable thing.

Same with getting high. I've never done drugs in my life (though I admit I'm curious), but I know enough information to determine that people experience pleasent sensations almost immediately.

I have had a few cigarrettes, and I'm always surprised people keep doing it after the first time. I just inhaled smoke into my mouth, resulting in a bitter taste for a few hours. And when I tried to actually breathe it all the way in with a full inhalation, I started coughing madly and my eyes watered. This happened on all the instances I did it, and people would say the same thing to me - you get used to it and eventually starts to feel good. During those experiences, I kept wondering "will I get addicted?" the whole time, as if it would become a subconcious urge I'd have to satisfy within the following days. But it never did. I guess it works differently for others, but I never thought "this is enjoyable" the entire time I did it. I thought I'd feel the nicotine eventually, but I never did.

If you must smoke, at least admit to yourself it's unpleasent to those around you, and do us the courtesy of removing yourself if you absolutely have to do it. I'm not going to tell a smoker "that will kill you" and "second hand smoke is deadly" and other nonsense because they've heard it enough damn times in their lives. But c'mon, at least have the decency to not disturb those around you.

Still, someone tell me how smoking becomes enjoyable - I mean, do some just "get it" the first time and it takes others a long time? And if it DOES take a long time, do you just have to convince yourself it's enjoyable until it is?

Meh.
 
[quote name='Strell']If you must smoke, at least admit to yourself it's unpleasent to those around you, and do us the courtesy of removing yourself if you absolutely have to do it. I'm not going to tell a smoker "that will kill you" and "second hand smoke is deadly" and other nonsense because they've heard it enough damn times in their lives. But c'mon, at least have the decency to not disturb those around you.[/QUOTE]

Most of your post was just opinion, but i'd just like to point out that somebody reaking of alcohol is no more unpleasent to me than somebody reaking of smoke.

Carry on.
 
I was aiming more at "second hand smoke is harmful" sort of angle, but yea, people smelling of alcohol isn't enjoyable either.
 
I started smoking because I enjoy it. Thats really all there is to it. It is completely legal. I don't smoke around people who mind it, I don't smoke around minors, or in eating establishments. I don't cough and puff and dance around with a Kabuki style 12-sided cigarette-holder while preaching bloody murder to the world.

I started smoking when I was 21, after my first legal trip to the local watering hole, and trying a boge that was offered to me by a friend. To be honest, after the first hit of it- I knew I really enjoyed the action of smoking a cigarette. It gave me a calming effect, and it certainly went well with the substantial amount of alcohol I drank.

Smoking has been a part of culture since much longer than Euro-centric cultures tend to believe it has, and they have been for the most part, alright because of it. Much like everything else, Smoking should be balanced with the rest of your life-- That way it keeps it's calming effects, and you negate substantial health risks.

I don't smoke a pack a day, maybe a pack every 2 weeks, heaviest during Friday nights out with girls and guys. I still run 2 miles everyday and lift, and have noticed no problems with my ability to exercise. I smoke light cigarettes in the way they were meant to be smoked, with your lips not engulfing the entire filter.

I am happy with the fact that I smoke, as it grants me opportunities to engage and talk to people I may have nothing in common with-- helping a lady light a boge, or talking to some grizzled hardened man over a cigarette or cigar over a beer is an enlightening experience, for the conversation that you may have with him or her.

I certainly appreciate and understand the important facts that regard heavy smoking, especially of american brand and manufactured cigarettes (they put quite a bit of excess harmful chemical in them to ease taste and exhallation). In that regard, I think it's important for all smokers to know how to make their own. Natural Tobacco is harmful, but much less so than manufactured brands-- it's also much more rich, and the entire process dissuades the idea of "chain-smoking", as it takes quite a bit of time to make a good cigarette.

Tobacco is an interesting drug. Scientists have no idea of it's true origins, it is one of the only natural plants that effects vary due to speed of use (For you smokers, this means.. if you smoke a cigarette, it will act as a powerful stimulant-- if you take your time the drug instead acts as a very mild depressant).

I am now 26 years old, have smoked for 5 years, and hopefully have given you some reasons as to why I started and why I continue to. I am certainly not trying to glorify the act of smoking, as it WILL lead to substantial health problems from overuse-- But I am also not trying to demonize it either.

Find your own personal balance, whether it be through smoking, exercise, drinking, recreational drug use, or anything else. The most important thing to remember is that in moderate to light use, any legal vice can be beneficial, socially bolstering, and relaxing.

Life, as we all know, is hard. I just don't see the point in cutting out all pleasure in favor of getting an extra year or two of life.. something which may be very depressing as naturally our bodies will fail despite the best efforts of science.

My 2 cents, take it as you will.

-KT.
 
something to do. I like the fact that people goes it is going to kill you. I don't not smoke or never have nor does it bother me when people smoke around me. however I love people who say dad quit smoking you are going to die. Is dad not going to die anyway, and I feel it is people own choice on how they live there life. If you want to smoke, drink, do drugs, bang someone of the same sex, eat to much food or not that is your personal choice. I feel you should be able to do it and not to have to hear someone's mouth about your decision. The smoking report is so full of holes. My point let people do what the want with there life and mind you own business. I am not bashing the OP or anyone here. I am saying you see a bum on the street and say get a job, is that going to make that person go "thanks I did not know I could do that thanks for telling me". or see someone smoking and say thats going to kill you. I did not know that I could die at all this will kill me, I better stop. people are aware that they are going to die. everything that someone does has a chance of killing you. even "healthy" things can kill you. I feel you go when you are supposed to go. I could type forever however I feel my message has been sent. and many may disagree. and that is your choice and I respect you for that I am not going to bash you.
 
[quote name='Strell']I think the better question is why would people start smoking when it's a fairly unpleasant habit?[/QUOTE]

but it is not unpleasant to everyone. the question should be more open minded.
 
I wrote that it might be different for other people. I'm trying to add another dimension to javery's question so that it might be a little more encompassing, as opposed to something that appears so black and white. It's less of a stark why and more of an analytical question.

That's all I'm getting at.
 
Well, I'm an ex-smoker (but only due to cancer-related trauma; not me but a close friend) but the best argument I've heard a smoker use when someone tells them, "Smoking will cut your life short." is "Yeah, but it's at the end of my life".
 
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