Why is America full of anti-Americans?

[quote name='vietgurl']I read somewhere that a lot of places favor hiring Asians because they think that Asians have good work ethics.

Damn us all, we're taking jobs away from hard working Americans :lol:[/QUOTE]

Assuming that the Asians they are hiring are Americans, how could that be? ;)

Unfortunately, Asians are not immune to racial stereotyping that unfortunately still exists to some degree in our society, albiet obviously not as openly as it used to. But I've worked with Asians who are smart and hardworking as well as Asians who are lazy and stupid, so from personal experience I'd say they're pretty much the same as any other ethnic group.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']I read somewhere that a lot of places favor hiring Asians because they think that Asians have good work ethics.

Damn us all, we're taking jobs away from hard working Americans :lol:[/QUOTE]

Assuming that the Asians they are hiring are Americans, how could that be? ;)

Unfortunately, Asians are not immune to racial stereotyping that unfortunately still exists to some degree in our society, albiet obviously not as openly. But I've worked with Asians who are smart and hardworking as well as Asians who are lazy and stupid, so from personal experience I'd say they're pretty much the same as any other ethnic group.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']I read somewhere that a lot of places favor hiring Asians because they think that Asians have good work ethics.

Damn us all, we're taking jobs away from hard working Americans :lol:[/QUOTE]

Assuming that the Asians they are hiring are Americans, how could that be? ;)

Unfortunately, Asians are not immune to racial stereotyping that unfortunately still exists to some degree in our society, albiet obviously not as openly. But I've worked with Asians who are smart and hardworking as well as Asians who are lazy and stupid, so from personal experience I'd say they're pretty much the same as any other ethnic group.
 
I do have to say that every Asian person I've ever met (and I've met pretty many) has been a very hard worker. I don't really know if it counts as 'stereotyping' to simple acknowledge that Asian cultures tend to place a much higher importance on hard work than American culture does. Now, the idea that Asian people are more intelligent than Americans is definitely a myth: I've met several Asian people who have been too dumb to come in out of the rain. They would, however, be out there working very, very hard in the rain...
 
[quote name='elprincipe'] But I've worked with Asians who are smart and hardworking as well as Asians who are lazy and stupid, so from personal experience I'd say they're pretty much the same as any other ethnic group.[/QUOTE]

All I have to say is, if my next boss is a chinese male, I'm going to tack on an extra 50% to my desired salary. Because working for one for the past few years has spiked my hair with white, wrecked havoc with my immune system (I've literally broken out in rashes...probably not caused by but definitely aggravated by stress,) and made me a wee bit bitter toward my fellow chinkies.
 
[quote name='Drocket']I do have to say that every Asian person I've ever met (and I've met pretty many) has been a very hard worker. I don't really know if it counts as 'stereotyping' to simple acknowledge that Asian cultures tend to place a much higher importance on hard work than American culture does. Now, the idea that Asian people are more intelligent than Americans is definitely a myth: I've met several Asian people who have been too dumb to come in out of the rain. They would, however, be out there working very, very hard in the rain...[/QUOTE]

If Asians work harder than Americans, do they work 10 times as hard as the French?
 
[quote name='elprincipe']If Asians work harder than Americans, do they work 10 times as hard as the French?[/QUOTE]
That's where things get more complex. You see, if you look at how much work the French get done per hour of work, on average, they actually get a good deal more done than the average American worker. Simply put, they work the 40 hour American work week, but do it in 35 hours, then go home.

Japan also deserves some special mention here, because it very much bucks the trend of the rest of its Asian brethren: although Japan is famous for the long work hours, they actually get remarkably little done in that time. They work about 50% more, on average, than American workers, yet their overall productivity is only marginally higher. They put in a 40 hour American work week, but it takes them 60 hours to do it.

So the question is, what exactly is the definition of 'hard work'? Is it merely putting in long hours regardless of what you get accomplished, or is it getting the work you're assigned done ASAP?

*edit*
If anyone is interested in the actual number, BTW, here's a PDF summarizing worker productivity from OECD.
 
[quote name='Drocket']I do have to say that every Asian person I've ever met (and I've met pretty many) has been a very hard worker. I don't really know if it counts as 'stereotyping' to simple acknowledge that Asian cultures tend to place a much higher importance on hard work than American culture does. Now, the idea that Asian people are more intelligent than Americans is definitely a myth: I've met several Asian people who have been too dumb to come in out of the rain. They would, however, be out there working very, very hard in the rain...[/QUOTE]

True, my dad, not to insult him because he's a really cool guy, isn't very smart; he flunked out of high school in Vietnam and flunked every single class he ever took at a community college. He has worked at least 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for as long as I can remember though. Then again, my mom was the top of her class her entire life and aced every class she took when she came to the US despite not knowing any English and she too worked overtime until she injured herself and had to reduce her work schedule to only 40 hours a week.

Me...I'm lazy as hell but I've managed to somehow get really high grades up 'til now, hehe. I think those childhood years of spending an extra 3 hours a day studying math on the side (after school) and practicing piano 2 hours everyday burned me out, lol. Now, I'm posting on CAG while playing videogames instead of studying for my midterm. Let me type a little more so I don't have to go study yet...just a little more...damn.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Did I say no discrimination exists? I merely stated AA is a racist/sexist policy, which it is. It promotes discrimination on the basis of race and/or sex.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it does. Personally, until discrimination is minimized to statistical insignificance, policies need to do something to place people in jobs that they are qualified for, yet aren't white enough for. Once social scientists can't find an iota of job discrimination on the basis of race or gender, then AA programs should be phased out.

Until then, what would you do to reduce discrimination, given your obvious dislike for AA-based policies?
 
Back on the original topic, I believe America is primarily about freedom, and that includes the freedom to disagree with elected leaders and foreign policy (and the freedom to publicly voice such disagreements). Indeed if the people here had always simply and politely followed the orders of those above, the USA would still be a British colony.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Yes, it does. Personally, until discrimination is minimized to statistical insignificance, policies need to do something to place people in jobs that they are qualified for, yet aren't white enough for. Once social scientists can't find an iota of job discrimination on the basis of race or gender, then AA programs should be phased out.

Until then, what would you do to reduce discrimination, given your obvious dislike for AA-based policies?[/QUOTE]

Aggressively enforce anti-discrimination laws. After all, two wrongs don't make a right. And you end up hurting those who did no wrong and helping those who were never aggrieved through blanket racist policies like AA. I personally find abhorrent the idea that government would sanction any racial/gender discrimination.
 
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Today, though, America is full of ungrateful America Haters who would rather see our soldiers get slaughtered than for our country to prevail in freeing the middle east. They would rather demonize our own troops for selfish gain, appeasing our enemies, than band together for a just cause - no matter how good or bad it is being handled.

I don't band around a cause I don't think is just. It sounds good to "bring freedom" to a country, but how many people do you have to kill to do it? There's a fine line there that I think has been tread over. There are people in rebellion against American occupation, how can I argue with that, really, knowing that the US has behaved badly in the middle east, historically? If someone occupied our country and tried to put a new one in, I would be pissed too! So what if the government now sucks, that doesn't mean I want Czechoslovakia, China, or Brazil (just pulling some random countries out here) creating us a new one! There's plenty of valid reasons that many Iraqis would want us out of there, despite the theoretically enlightened reasons for being there.

In the early day when LEGAL immigrants came here from all over the world they where happy to be here, to take up the American flag and proclaim their loyalty to this wonderful and free country. Although they kept their heritage alive they were now Americans and proud of it.

I'm not "proud to be an American". I'm proud of some things our country does, and not proud of others. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins for a reason.

eveyrwhere you turn people who dare call themselves Americans do nothing but blame America for everything that happens. Thousands were murdered at the WTC, it was our fault the America haters say. Islamic murderous, terrorist scum want to wipe out all people's and religions not their own, its America's fault the haters say.


There's a difference between "blame" and "reasons". There are many reasons that people over there don't like the USA, there's this little thing called "history" that people get hung up on. I don't "blame" the US, I merely acknowledge that there are very valid reasons for some people to be pissed at us/hate us. Here's a good read about Middle Eastern history that someone here posted...from the cato institute, I assume a non-objectionable source for a conservative :
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html

I don't love America. Nothing I hate worse than the "greatest country in the world" B.S. That sounds like an arrogant form of Nationalism to me that says "the way we do things is best". There is no greatest country, just like there is no greatest kind of HDTV, greatest kind of videogame, or greatest car. There are merely good and bad points, not something you can add up and come up with a "best". That doesn't mean there aren't flaws that need to be addressed, and it doesn't mean there aren't any big problems (The USA has a pretty good number of good things, which surely outnumber the bad by far, admittedly).

Think of it this way...(PAD will understand this maybe if he reads, he likes RPGs right?) I like Final Fantasy X. I like the story, the battle system, and many other things about it. But it was way too easy, the gratouitous cleavage shots and unrealistic clothing to fight in are dumb, and there are some really annoying minigames. That doesn't mean I don't like FFX. I don't love it or hate it blindly, there is a mix of feelings about it. There are some things about it that are great and some parts that suck. I feel the same way about the USA - some very good things and some very bad things. Overall it's a great country, but like all large organizations, it is occasionally capable of great evil as well as great good.

I'll leave off with this quote from Einstein:

"Nationalism, on my opinion, is nothing more than an idealistic rationalization for militarism and aggression."
 
I haven't read any of this thread but:

Why is America full of anti-Americans?

Like the SUV and hummer driving assholes.

I've been trying to get my parents to reconsider buying the fucking X5. :(
 
[quote name='elprincipe'] ... racial stereotyping that unfortunately still exists to some degree in our society, albiet obviously not as openly as it used to.[/QUOTE]

Well, unless you're an "A-rab" or a "Mooslim," anyway. That's some taken-at-face-value racism right there. But I digress.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']What ever happened to loving your country and wanting to fight for it?[/QUOTE]

Diversity is our greatest strength. When I say "diversity," I don't just mean different colors of people. Diversity also includes a wide range of knowledge, experiences, cultures and (yes, I know it's hard to believe) opinions.

Everyone doesn't think alike. If they did, this country would likely be inhabited by mindless robots who fell in lockstep behind everything the current government figureheads had to say.

Just because government leaders say something doesn't make it true, and just because you do or do not choose to believe what these leaders say does not mean you don't love your country.
 
Wow i'm not even gonna touch this thread with my real thoughts. I would say things that would really upset some people...

There's good and bad about this country, we all have it pretty easy here compared to most of the world, thats the good, but there is a lot of negative. America could just be a lot better I thuink but a lot of people are... I dunno just brainwashed or mis informed or something...

Honestly if money/job/language, etc was no object I would choose to live in Japan or some of Europe but that's just me. Unfortunally i'm stuck here.... again not to say I have it bad and I probably should be grateful, but there are a lot of things wrong with this country. Maybe I am a victim of the "grass is always greener on the other side" but I just look at other countries and think why can't we do that here, or why is that not this way here, etc, etc.

And i'm not even really talking about the whole war on terror thing, there's things like healthcare issues and how this country is run and blinded by politics, lawyers, and the media and I hate how everyone always jumps on a bandwagon when the don't even know what they are really protesting against.
 
[quote name='darkhunter']Wow i'm not even gonna touch this thread with my real thoughts. I would say things that would really upset some people...

There's good and bad about this country, we all have it pretty easy here compared to most of the world, thats the good, but there is a lot of negative. America could just be a lot better I thuink but a lot of people are... I dunno just brainwashed or mis informed or something...

Honestly if money/job/language, etc was no object I would choose to live in Japan or some of Europe but that's just me. Unfortunally i'm stuck here.... again not to say I have it bad and I probably should be grateful, but there are a lot of things wrong with this country. Maybe I am a victim of the "grass is always greener on the other side" but I just look at other countries and think why can't we do that here, or why is that not this way here, etc, etc.

And i'm not even really talking about the whole war on terror thing, there's things like healthcare issues and how this country is run and blinded by politics, lawyers, and the media and I hate how everyone always jumps on a bandwagon when the don't even know what they are really protesting against.[/QUOTE]

You should share your thoughts if you want to. That's what this forum is for, after all.

And I'd just point out that if you think they don't have people blinded by politics, health care issues, lawyers and rabid media (hello, Paparazzi!) in other places, you really need to get over a severe grass-is-greener case.
 
As long as anti-Americanism is expressed with (free) speech and not violent action or interference of my life, I could care less how people feel. If you hate America so be it. If you hate America and block the street to protest whatever bothers you and you make me late for work, then you become my problem.

My Jackie Chan quote below is why I feel this way....
 
Okay here's my two cents on the subject matter...

Does it make me Anti-American just because my views on what is going on isn't a Pro view? No it shouldn't. That's one of the greatest things about this country is being able to express an opinion without worrying about being jailed, persecuted, or anything else otherwise. And its simply wrong to want to have someone thrown out of the country just because they aren't afraid to say that there are problems with our country.

Now yes I do support our troops out there in the middle east right now, but however I do not agree on our administrations reasoning of being out there. Yeah our administration says that its to free the countries and give them democracy, but in my eyes this is reminding me too much of the days of England trying to rule us before we kicked their ass out and became our own nation.

Indeed history is repeating itself, and while yes a few things are different now however there are quite a few simularities that parrallel over between back then and now.

Don't get me wrong folks. I love America. I love what this country stands for. But even then we do have problems folks. Denying they are there is only going to make things worse, but admitting to them is the first step to change. Its too bad that George W. Bush is too blind to realize this, but hey 51% of this country decided that he's the man to represent and lead us. I guess they know something I don't, right?
 
[quote name='darkhunter']Wow i'm not even gonna touch this thread with my real thoughts. I would say things that would really upset some people...

There's good and bad about this country, we all have it pretty easy here compared to most of the world, thats the good, but there is a lot of negative. America could just be a lot better I thuink but a lot of people are... I dunno just brainwashed or mis informed or something...

Honestly if money/job/language, etc was no object I would choose to live in Japan or some of Europe but that's just me. Unfortunally i'm stuck here.... again not to say I have it bad and I probably should be grateful, but there are a lot of things wrong with this country. Maybe I am a victim of the "grass is always greener on the other side" but I just look at other countries and think why can't we do that here, or why is that not this way here, etc, etc.

And i'm not even really talking about the whole war on terror thing, there's things like healthcare issues and how this country is run and blinded by politics, lawyers, and the media and I hate how everyone always jumps on a bandwagon when the don't even know what they are really protesting against.[/QUOTE]

I sorta agree with you, except I wouldn't want to live in japan (they don't seem the most tolerant country from what I've heard). But I like canada better, or at least toronto. I like the government better, and the media (it was odd not seeing every single newsshow dominated by violence, in the u.s. it's made out to be much worse on the news than it actually is) was better. Though, I'm not sure how much of it was I like canada better, or I just loved toronto and canada was ok too.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I sorta agree with you, except I wouldn't want to live in japan (they don't seem the most tolerant country from what I've heard). But I like canada better, or at least toronto. I like the government better, and the media (it was odd not seeing every single newsshow dominated by violence, in the u.s. it's made out to be much worse on the news than it actually is) was better. Though, I'm not sure how much of it was I like canada better, or I just loved toronto and canada was ok too.[/QUOTE]


Japan is different. It would be too hard to just pack up and move there without having been born there it would be hard to learn the way of life and of course the language. If you were born there though it seems a pleasant place to call home, to me anyways. They know respect and values and that's something we sure could use here.

Canada is real nice, I have been a couple times including toronto.
The things you mentioned are very true. Michael Moore covered it in bowling for columbine. How safe it is (no one even locks doors ?) and how different the media is. I dunno we are just bloodthirsty in the USA, LOL.
We dont wanna turn on the news and hear about something "nice" we wanna see who was murdered, robbed and raped that day.

And it sucks because you would be surprised how many people buy into all that.
How it makes so many people so paranoid when, and I mean there's nothing wrong with being safe, but some people get so freaked out they let paranoia run their life.

Take my mom for example. I hate to say this about her but she's a freak show.
She is so scared of everything. I mean she lets that 1 person who gets murdered
or something freak her out and she thinks people are getting gunned down all day long (and this is funny cause she lives in such a safe area) and she forgets that for every 1 that's murdered like a hundred thousand others walked the streets that month and went about their lives and were fine.

Again this varies by area. Would I want my mom walking alone in downtown detroit at night, no. But in the small community she lives in she has very little to worry about. And again i'm probably guilty of being paranoid, is detroit for example really as unsafe as it's made out to be ?? I doubt it. Then on the other hand they say you can walk the streets of tokyo anytime and be perfectly safe.

Of course the news does not report that, they only report the 1 single person who did happen to get gunned down. And so on and so on, that's just 1 example.

And yet on the other hand it's hard to say if we are all "the grass is greener on the other side" victims.

We can all sit here and think wow I bet Canada or Japan or Europe is so much better but i'm sure they have their negatives too. Unfortunally I doubt there is 1 "perfect" nation. Plus why is it everyone always wants to come to the USA?
There must be something good about being here though i'm getting harder pressed to see what that is...

Though I have to say perfect or not i'd sure rather be in canada or japan when someone finially gets pissed off enough at the USA for always poking our nose in their business and they send all their nukes our way ;)

Atleast the world does not hate Canada.

Of course when they send their nukes here we will send out nukes there too, some other jumpy nations will probably join in and in a day probably half the known world will be gone, LOL. Maybe i'm just being paranoid now, but seriously, if anyone decides to lanch a nuke things are pretty much over I think. I mean HOPEFULLY no one is dumb enough to actually lanuch one cause they just know one is gonna come right back at em, but I mean who knows not everyone is all there in the head. It's just scary to know that so quickly almost the whole world could be wiped out. But I mean hey I still go about my day like normal and stuff.
 
Well, I wasn't really a victim of the grass is greener thing since I actually have lived in toronto and, oddly enough, it basically met my expectations. But, the violent crime is lower (they usually have between 60-80 homocides a year out of 2.5 million people, in the 90's it had a lower homicide rate than vermont 5 or 6 out of 10 years, and one year even had a lower homocide total, don't even think it reached 20 that year). Though, I mentioned it in another post, it's a different mindset. People do lock there doors, but may don't and they don't lock them nearly as often. I lived in a 2 family apartment (plus a strange guy in the basement) and the woman downstairs kept commenting on that I was always locking the front door. She didn't lock the front or her apartment door unless it was night time. One day the young girl across the street had someone break into her apartment and rape her. The woman downstairs had lived in that exact apartment, and the next day she didn't even lock her door then. She always had it open too, unless it was too cold.
 
[quote name='darkhunter']Japan is different. It would be too hard to just pack up and move there without having been born there it would be hard to learn the way of life and of course the language. If you were born there though it seems a pleasant place to call home, to me anyways. They know respect and values and that's something we sure could use here.[/QUOTE]
Never heard of Kancho, I take it?
 
[quote name='Drocket']Never heard of Kancho, I take it?[/QUOTE]

We're a gaming website, games and anime come from japan, therefore japan is heaven.

Why people seem to decide their favorite country based on the media they produce is beyond me. I'm not saying japan doesn't seem nice, it's just that so many people become obsessed with japan simply due to the media it produces.
 
[quote name='demomanTNA'] Its too bad that George W. Bush is too blind to realize this, but hey 51% of this country decided that he's the man to represent and lead us. I guess they know something I don't, right?[/QUOTE]
Just a small correction: 51% of the VOTERS went for Bush, not 51% of the country.
 
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