Wii in higher demand?

[quote name='valleyvampiress']My entire family wants a Wii now since being able to play mine. Could it be that Nintendo actually accomplished what they said they would and brought the non-gaming audience into their market? My answer to that would be a gigantic YES.[/quote]
It appears to be so. After Christmas and as real games start coming out (for both new systems), we'll see what happens.

As it stands, the interactives pull in sports fans on the PS3 and all the people you wouldn't expect to see standing trying out a game console in the EBGS. Which I find very cool. I only wish the displays at larger retailers would offer a Wii interactive (you know, with an actual wiimote and game) so more people would see the games and play in action. Currently I see a ton of people walk past the Nintendo displays which show other people playing the game on the screen.


In other news, I finally made my decision about what to do with my PS3. I brought it back. The deciding factor was that Sony claims my using it and leaving it on overnight can help cure cancer.

Wait that wasn't it. Sorry.

No, the fact that the strongest system can't match the bumpmapping on the 360, and the games currently bore me. I'll wait a year.
 
[quote name='botticus']The PS3 is suffering from the same problem the 360 did. When you have a product that is absolutely impossible to find (not "hard to find" or "requires effort"), people just give up on it for a while. It will start to be another big item around March or whenever plentiful supply ships, but even then, you'll have consoles sitting out on the shelves that would have sold if they had been there months earlier. Two months after launch, there aren't too many people who are still hyped up enough to wait in line for the next shipment.

It will be very interesting to see the month-to-month comparisons during Q1.[/quote]
Can you REALLY say that though? I am a high-schooler and last year when the 360's were hard to find, EVERYONE was waiting to get one, this died off in March ofcourse. But with the PS3, it is way different. I have only met one person who has bought it (and he had to send it in already because it was broken!) and I havn't heard of anyone wanting to camp out for PS3 on sundays and such, while with the Wii its common place.

If anything, the 360 launch from last year killed the ps3 launch along with the Wii. Peopel realize its not available now, will be plentiful later and don't care right now.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']The premise of that statement is that HD matters and once people figure that out, Nintendo is doomed.[/QUOTE]

There are 50 people in my office, 2 of them have an HD TV, one of them is me. HD isn't as widespread as some people think.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']I'm even being nice about it by saying you could be either/or, instead of what I think will be the projected outcome.

Well, we shall see, but the very 'novelty' factor that's getting it all the attention now could be the very thing that causes the aforementioned "trendy" types and attention-deficit-driven general public to move on. I'm rooting for Nintendo, as hard as that is to believe for so many users here, but I just don't think these 'non-gamers' Nintendo secured this Fall are going to be endlessly fascinated with the thing.

Also, you can't deny that Sony kind of drove many people right into Nintendo's arms. What happens when the PS3 is plentiful and maybe even $100 cheaper next Christmas?

I'm not a Nintendo fanboy, I don't like Scrubs, I never watched The Office, and that's the first time I've ever heard the phrase "iCulture".

Geez, it's a generalization! About people who don't post on gaming boards!

I'm pretty sure that I didn't even come close to coming up with "iCulture", but regardless, you can't dispute that Nintendo isn't playing that card with the Wii. Hell, they've even got two lower-case "i"s in the thing's name![/QUOTE]

Even with a $100 price drop it's still $499, and that doesn't even include a game. I could be wrong, but I think that will be Sony's downfall.
 
Lucky,that I live in NYC.The toyrus in time square received another large shipments of wii and nintendo store is getting a new batch shipments of wii everyday.The demand is still insanely high.Most customers still have to wait in very long lines.
 
[quote name='Demontooth']Even with a $100 price drop it's still $499, and that doesn't even include a game. I could be wrong, but I think that will be Sony's downfall.[/QUOTE]

Well... that's only 100 more than the 360... and keep the HDMI, Wifi, Bigger HD and High Definition Optical Drive and I think it'd be worth the extra $100.
 
[quote name='nikkai']Well... that's only 100 more than the 360... and keep the HDMI, Wifi, Bigger HD and High Definition Optical Drive and I think it'd be worth the extra $100.[/QUOTE]

But it's still $500. Say it out loud, "Five hundred dollars". I want to play Ratchet and Clank in high definition but shit.
 
It's taken Microsoft a year to make a sale on the 360 profitable, and if Sony is losing over $200 per system don't expect a $100 price drop next year. You'd be lucky, I think, to get anything more than $20.

As for the Wii, it's a wait and see kind of thing, I think they'll be successful. Super Smash Bros Brawl will sell a million copies in under a month. If they get support now while the system is white hot that may be all they need to ride their way into everyone's house. You can pretty up games all you want, but it doesn't make them more fun and right now that's what I want more than anything. I've got a 360 for "cutting edge" graphics and the like, the PS3 will have to wait until I see something I like for it, when I played it at E3 I was unimpressed for the most part, whereas the Wii was something pretty fun and different, the games weren't all mindblowing, but still some were better than those on the PS3.

As for the whole "once the novelty wears off" theory, I'm still waiting for the novelty to wear off on my DS. When it does, I'll let you know and I'm sure those other 20 million DS owners will too.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']

Well, we shall see, but the very 'novelty' factor that's getting it all the attention now could be the very thing that causes the aforementioned "trendy" types and attention-deficit-driven general public to move on. I'm rooting for Nintendo, as hard as that is to believe for so many users here, but I just don't think these 'non-gamers' Nintendo secured this Fall are going to be endlessly fascinated with the thing.

Also, you can't deny that Sony kind of drove many people right into Nintendo's arms. What happens when the PS3 is plentiful and maybe even $100 cheaper next Christmas?
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First of all, and this is somewhat directed at shipwreck also, but saying "the PS3 will do better next Christmas" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. By then it will undoubtedly be cheaper and there will be some big titles out for it. We'll see if they deliver well on their online services and the overall opinion of the system will have elevated.

To suggest it will sell better next Christmas and act like that is something profound is just silly. Of course it will. More systems + more games + more people hearing about it = it will be a big hit. I imagine there will be a lot of people over the launch debacle by then, more issues with the system will be fixed (which I guess is all the HD scaling nonsense) and we'll have a better idea if Bluray is beating HDDVD or not.

This is not anything anyone should question. The only way it won't sell better is if it COMPLETELY loses all support by then, and drives their potential userbase over to MS.

Secondly, you [people] need to give Nintendo a little more credit with how they are marketing this thing and how they obviously put out two titles that demonstrate the motion controls effectively in both simple and complex situations (Wii Sports and Zelda). All I'm hearing is this "iCulture" nonsense (which is a word you obviously made up, is about is stupid as "blog," and doesn't make you sound smart at all, but it does make you sound trendy, which seems to be the thing you abhor) is just a crutch you're basing the Wii's sales on.

And beyond that, how is this a bad thing? Has Nintendo not said for the last two years that they want to reach new gamers? I'd say they are doing just that. Not only are they bringing in people who don't normally play games, but they are rebuilding part of their lost userbase. But you act like this is the consequence of coincidence of circumstance, which is - as I say again - is ludicrous.

You are writing this wondrous equation that must have tickled your insides when you thought it up in a "I'm so smart" way. But it completely leaves out any credit or merit on Nintendo's behalf, which is amazing.

But instead you call the sales the result of 1) Sony bombing their launch, 2) trendy jetsetters wanting to crowd around the latest distraction, and 3) fanboys driving sales.

This is absolutely ridiculous. The Wii comes out, it's different, it sells, and all of a sudden there's a thousand excuses as to why it is doing so.

Again, this is why Nintendo finally figured out listening to the online set is a lost cause. Unless it's the biggest best online mature hardcore shooter with hot bump map on bump map action, everyone is willing to attack it on the grounds that "it totally doesn't live up to the bump map expectations I had."

As far as HD is concerned, I'm not going to touch that argument. If Nintendo puts out fun games and makes it worthwhile to hold onto a Wii, the public will understand. That is all there is to it. People are allowed to buy multiple systems, so I don't understand why someone couldn't own both one of the high defs and the Wii.
 
[quote name='Strell']First of all, and this is somewhat directed at shipwreck also, but saying "the PS3 will do better next Christmas" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. By then it will undoubtedly be cheaper and there will be some big titles out for it. We'll see if they deliver well on their online services and the overall opinion of the system will have elevated.

To suggest it will sell better next Christmas and act like that is something profound is just silly. Of course it will. More systems + more games + more people hearing about it = it will be a big hit. I imagine there will be a lot of people over the launch debacle by then, more issues with the system will be fixed (which I guess is all the HD scaling nonsense) and we'll have a better idea if Bluray is beating HDDVD or not.

This is not anything anyone should question. The only way it won't sell better is if it COMPLETELY loses all support by then, and drives their potential userbase over to MS.

Secondly, you [people] need to give Nintendo a little more credit with how they are marketing this thing and how they obviously put out two titles that demonstrate the motion controls effectively in both simple and complex situations (Wii Sports and Zelda). All I'm hearing is this "iCulture" nonsense (which is a word you obviously made up, is about is stupid as "blog," and doesn't make you sound smart at all, but it does make you sound trendy, which seems to be the thing you abhor) is just a crutch you're basing the Wii's sales on.

And beyond that, how is this a bad thing? Has Nintendo not said for the last two years that they want to reach new gamers? I'd say they are doing just that. Not only are they bringing in people who don't normally play games, but they are rebuilding part of their lost userbase. But you act like this is the consequence of coincidence of circumstance, which is - as I say again - is ludicrous.

You are writing this wondrous equation that must have tickled your insides when you thought it up in a "I'm so smart" way. But it completely leaves out any credit or merit on Nintendo's behalf, which is amazing.

But instead you call the sales the result of 1) Sony bombing their launch, 2) trendy jetsetters wanting to crowd around the latest distraction, and 3) fanboys driving sales.

This is absolutely ridiculous. The Wii comes out, it's different, it sells, and all of a sudden there's a thousand excuses as to why it is doing so.

Again, this is why Nintendo finally figured out listening to the online set is a lost cause. Unless it's the biggest best online mature hardcore shooter with hot bump map on bump map action, everyone is willing to attack it on the grounds that "it totally doesn't live up to the bump map expectations I had."

As far as HD is concerned, I'm not going to touch that argument. If Nintendo puts out fun games and makes it worthwhile to hold onto a Wii, the public will understand. That is all there is to it. People are allowed to buy multiple systems, so I don't understand why someone couldn't own both one of the high defs and the Wii.[/QUOTE]

Well said sir!
 
[quote name='Strell']To suggest it will sell better next Christmas and act like that is something profound is just silly. Of course it will. More systems + more games + more people hearing about it = it will be a big hit. The only way it won't sell better is if it COMPLETELY loses all support[/quote] I would hope everyone is aware of this.

It took the 360 around eight months say, to really find its stride. A solid system for starting, but it took a while before the games developed for/on it really began to shine. Currently it's the best purchase TODAY going by the games available just for that system alone.

But that should be obvious and should be true of any system that has a one year advantage over its competition. Libraries not only expand, but the games should continue to improve as coders and developers learn how to make full use of the hardware.

Secondly, you [people] need to
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give Nintendo a little more credit with how they are marketing this thing and how they obviously put out two titles that demonstrate the motion controls effectively in both simple and complex situations (Wii Sports and Zelda).
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I only wish I saw more of the marketing. Yes, I'm hampered by watching very little television (CN and news networks and... that's about it) But even so I never see anything on Cartoon Network. The only nintendo commercials I catch are 15second DS spots.

That disappoints me. It's an obvious avenue for advertising any video game or console, and the only Nintendo commercials I've seen over the past couple years were for SuperMario Strikers (a great commercial) a few Mario Party commercials (the commercial with the costumes was awesome), a Yoshi something commercial (where he throws an egg at a car), a few Mario Kart DS spots and more recently the new Yoshi Island commercial.

These commercials are either too short or really do nothing for the game itself. I want to see where Nintendo is pushing the ad spots.

All I'm hearing is this "iCulture" nonsense (which is a word you obviously made up, is about is stupid as "blog,"
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Thank you!

You are writing this wondrous equation that must have tickled your insides when you thought it up in a "I'm so smart" way.
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Life lesson, Strell. Everyone wants to sound like the smartest person in the room. Often at the expense of thinking an issue out first.

But instead you call the sales the result of 1) Sony bombing their launch, 2) trendy jetsetters wanting to crowd around the latest distraction, and 3) fanboys driving sales.
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What cracks me up about this last point is that since the N64 throngs of gamers have claimed Nintendo ought to get out of the hardware business, that they'll never compete with [competitor of choice], that they're too kiddy and have lost all their support, et cetera. And now those same voices are claiming that the only reason the Wii is selling is owing to its huge fan base?!?! Am I the only one to see the irony in this? ...hello? mic check two three?

Unless it's the biggest best online mature hardcore shooter with hot bump map on bump map action, everyone is willing to attack it on the grounds that "it totally doesn't live up to the bump map expectations I had."
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Don't you mess with my bump mapping, Strell. Look, I'm not saying that visuals only are important. Not by a mile. But games with bump mapping like Half Life 2 (pc) and RE remake and 4 (gc) make me weak in the knees. Only because I love the rest of the game too.

If Valve put a crappy game together and couldn't tell a story, all the graphics in the world wouldn't sell that game. I loved the original RE for it being creepy (I'm a sucker for an isolated environment in any story) but also for being a horribly laughable game. When Capcom remade it with textures and lighting and putting together a night and day localization update (ie, a real script with actual actors instead of Inez and whoever and whatever else first-name-onlys they had for the voice credits in the original), I could gush over the textures without guilt, because the game in its entirety was amazing.

There are a good number of games which from a graphics point of view are wonderful. But if the game itself does nothing for the player or isn't actually enjoyable to play, I won't be singing Glory Glory over it. Not even with beautiful bump mapping. I'm a geek but I have my standards.

From the opposite approach, a great game with average graphics is just that. I'll enjoy it but part of me would want to see how much better it could have looked if so and so had worked on it, or if it were on X system.
 
I'm not sure why that was partly directed at me Strell. Which parts? I pretty much agree with most of what you wrote.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']I'm not sure why that was partly directed at me Strell. Which parts? I pretty much agree with most of what you wrote.[/QUOTE]

You chimed in on the idea that the PS3's year could be next year.

I just wanted to spread the joy a little.
 
[quote name='Strell']You chimed in on the idea that the PS3's year could be next year.

I just wanted to spread the joy a little.[/QUOTE]

I did? I better re-read what I posted.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']I did? I better re-read what I posted.[/QUOTE]

Well it wasn't necessarily meant in animosity toward you.
 
[quote name='ZForce']I was hanging around EB yesterday and in the couple hours I was there, there were over 20 calls or people stopping in about Wii's and maybe two guys who came in looking for a PS3. The funny thing is the first person who asked about PS3... actually got one! (They had gotten in a shipment of four 60 giggers)[/QUOTE]

yeah 4 of my friends work at the same EB where i live...i came to drop off them some food and drink and picked up GH2. In a matter 20 minutes i saw 2 60GB ps3 and 2 20GB sold. and within the hour every person who looked liked a parent came in asking for a Wii and tried to bargain or bribe my friends to hold on for them for next shipment. one lady was willing to give 500 in cash just ot hold her one..but he said no reluctantly.

After seeing what has been going in the holidays i feel like videogames has become the new drug of society. atleast just for now...people paying anywhere from 20%-1000% from what the system actually costs is ludicrus to me. I cant see why people cant wait 1 extra month and wait till the system becomes more available and then buy item. I see the sacrifices people make as in risking job,health,hygene,and sanity just to get a videogame. its like people will do anything for their quick fix. i just dont get it..sorry for the rant....
 
Well it wasn't necessarily meant in animosity toward you.

But it was, of course, directed towards me in a thinly-veiled, passive-aggressive sort of way. 'Cause you knew I'd see that post. Obviously.

Look, I was originally responding to your deconstruction of one of my posts, but I accidentally hit the wrong button on my browser and lost it. Things happen for a reason, I suppose. All I know is that I stand by what I said, and that the Wii's current success is based on the triumverate of fan loyalty (for better and/or worse), the non-gamer crowd that is the 'hot chick' that Nintendo is wooing and winning over right now (but she's a fickle, vapid bitch, and we're the inevitable booty call), and people just turning up their noses at Sony and eBay hoarders. Which they should for the time being. Just what is so ridiculous about that assessment?

This is really about you deciding that I'm some sort of needlessly verbose troll that's trying to do enough of an equivocation tapdance to keep the invigilant off my scent. But you saw through that. You knew as soon as I submitted the words "slim" and "pickins" in relation to the Wii that I was on a devious mission to be the Grinch to early Wii adopters' Christmases. At that point, it became one of your numerous duties to send me "back to the shadow", as I'm sure you've done many times before to many others deemed antagonists, to the delight and cheers of the users around you.

I never want to take on a forum 'legend', as a.) I'm not here to establish any sort of superiority, just be frank and occasionally incendiary, and b.) I know how futile it is. Who the fuck is kidding who here? The consensus isn't going to come close to disagreeing with you, especially when someone like me is being so 'negative'. It's funny how usually the dialogue I encounter here in a given thread is, on the whole, constructive, agree or otherwise, until you come in, flex your clout, call me out, and then everyone seems to get very polarized. Can't these people see how "ludicrous" I am on their own?

Other than that, I'm really done having any sort of discussion with you. You've made up your mind, I'm only worthy of your derision, and your pride in your 'duties' as a CAG fixture shines right on through. For everyone else slogging through this open letter, I have a Wii, I think it's cool, but the function it serves for many, the way they're probably perceiving it, suggests to me that it's going to be more of a 'pop culture' moment in time for them than a living room fixture. If I am dead wrong, that is fucking phenomenal. Excuse me for bringing up the scenarios not included with the peach-tinted, mushroom-shaped glasses.

P.S. And if you still think I somehow invented the word "iCulture", well, there's this 'trendy' thing called Google, see, and....

EDIT: The majority of the public STILL has no idea what high-definition is.

See, you can't make statements like that and expect to have any credibility, either. Those without it know what it is, but they also know that they can't afford it yet or don't really need it at this moment. C'mon. Fair's fair.

People can't even find controllers for the damn thing. That should tell you how much people want it.

Pretty faulty point. Sorry. The controllers, for whatever reason(s), were short-shipped and unevenly distributed at launch. As others will testify to, the console is almost easier in some areas to find on a store shelf than the controllers. This doesn't mean the Wii demand isn't there, just that the controller shortage is a total 'side issue'.
 
i think you may be right on a few issues, but when i was in gamestop getting a cheap ass RE0 for 10 bucks (at the time though i was just browsing the game cube section) tons of people 7 or so came in and asked for a wii, and the phone rang off the hook. Thats just me looking for a game. Tons of people want the wii. We will see if its just a trend. I will agree with you that it is a little hip right now to have one, but i also think that alot of the people looking for a wii is genuanly wanting one. even if it does turn out that the wii is just hip gear, perhaps devs will mirly look at sales and if thats the case perhaps the wiis hip moment will be strong enuff to pull the right developers onto the wii. and thus starting a cycle of more people buying the wii and more developers makeing games for the wii.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']They are selling out because it is Christmas and kids want them. We are far from knowing whether Nintendo has actually accomplished anything with the non-gaming audience. Yes, non-gamers are liking it, but are non-gamers buying it? That won't be answered for a while.[/QUOTE]
Just kids? I think you underestimate the broad audience of the Wii. My point was I do not fit under jollydwarf's stereotype of an early Wii adopter.

[quote name='jollydwarf']Geez, it's a generalization! About people who don't post on gaming boards!

I'm pretty sure that I didn't even come close to coming up with "iCulture", but regardless, you can't dispute that Nintendo isn't playing that card with the Wii. Hell, they've even got two lower-case "i"s in the thing's name![/QUOTE]
Firstly, you did not state your "generalization" was about people who do not post on gaming boards. You stated it as if these were the majority of people buying Wii's. I responded to your post literally to number one show I did not meet your generalization, and number two show that I am obviously one of the reasons the Wii has an early sell. My point in my earlier post, was to show your generalization is incorrect.

I did not dispute that Nintendo is playing any "iCulture" card. Neither did I mention anything about you inventing or not inventing that word. I simply stated I'd never heard it before and because of this, I most likely did not belong to this category. Again, me pointing out that your thoughts on the biggest group buying Wii's is incorrect.

And for one more debunk, I will point out to shipwreak that my mom (who absolutely abhors gaming and anything to do with it) was going to go to Target to buy a Wii when she saw it in an ad last sunday. I told her don't bother because it was probably already sold out. If it weren't for that statement I made and if Target had some in stock, she would have her Wii sitting on top of her entertainment center. If my game-hating mom's willingness to buy a Wii is not proof enough for you that Nintendo has brought non-gaming people to the Wii, than there is really no convincing you.
 
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Looks over at the cats...

iPod the cat...check
Mini the cat...check

i am iCulture[/QUOTE]

Cool names ;), though I'm sadly lacking both pieces of 'iCulture' hardware - I have been waiting for several years as they get better and better before I buy (have a '99 iMac though).

We just got two kittens recently and named them Peach and Daisy. Not too many people get that (though of course y'all will). Of course with 3 kids in the house we went through several iterations of MUCH worse names first!

Back on topic - I agree with White-Wolf, I don't fucking care HOW Nintendo is selling these things (whether it be due to iCulture or the mistaken belief that the thing makes toast as I once saw some EB employees convince a couple of gullible young kids the PS3 would be able to ;)). As long as it is MORE than just Nintendo fanboys buying it (and I don't think we can dispute that many others are, indeed, buying it) ALL THAT MATTERS is that a ton of these will be in homes and thus provide a sizeable base for Nintendo and, more importantly, 3rd party developers. If they reach runaway hit status and get several million out by the middle of next year the Wii's CONTINUED success (as opposed to it's initial success) will be a self-fulfilling prophecy simply due to the built-in support for any new game release. It will become much like the PS2 was last gen (which, after all, was the 'weakest' hardware of the 3). So the big question is if they can keep the sales up after the next two weeks and reach that critical mass.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']It's not completely ludicrous. Next year, kids will want something else for Christmas. (I'm not saying the Wii is a "kiddy" console, just that's what is driving the frenzy right now.)

It will be interesting to see how the PS3 does since it will never have it's own PS3 crazed Christmas - the Wii came in and stole it.[/quote]

Yeah, they'll want Games for the WII, not the system since they already have it.
 
[quote name='hardwo0d'] It is my opinion that if Sony would have not included the player and matched the price of the Xbox360, i.e. around $400 it would have sold alot more. People are not sold on Blu-Ray and alot are hesitant to purchase all there movies again in Hi-Def.[/QUOTE]


that would have really hurt the xbox i think, if sony would have done that.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']The majority of the public STILL has no idea what high-definition is.[/QUOTE]

QTF. You wouldn't believe the amount of people who I've run into who think:

A) DVD is High Def. Not HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I'm refering to the same standard def DVD that has been out on the market for almost a decade.

B) The program they are watching is "HD" just because the announcer at the start of the football game on Fox says that "its in HD courtesy of DirecTV" right as the DirecTV logo wizzes on by in a sort of "oh by the way" manner. And you know some people even if the announcer actually said "available on your HD channel in HD" will phase the sentence down to "its in HD."

C) All programming on the HD channel = Widescreen. That's when they finally get it that the HD broadcast is NOT on the SD channel and that you need a HDTV to be able to get the full benefit of that broadcast (along with the cable/sat/stand alone tuner or a HDTV with a tuner built in).

D) People who think that "digital cable" = HD. Especially when they see the SD channel stretch to fit that 16x9 TV. "Oh that HDTV looks great!" they proclaim without any knowledge of what it is they are talking about.

E) Hell, people who think that HD Radio is actually High Def. Okay, I can blame marketing on this one. Since when the hell did a 96k MP3 become "high def." Hell that's lower than what is supposed to be the standard encode rate of a typical MP3 at 128k.

Sorry for going off topic but after seeing that comment I needed to vent. There is just far too much confusion over what HD actually is.
 
Wii is essentially the console equivalent of the hit that is the Nintendo DS. People are flocking to it because of its accessiblity to new gamers and it's uniqueness for seasoned ones. I think Xbox 360 really has a strangle hold on the "hard core gaming" market and Nintendo is really taking a big chunk of business back from Sony's wide appeal market. This generation of systems should make for a more equal market share than generations pasts.
 
It is in higher demand now, but how long will it last? It seems to have the same appeal as the Guitar Hero games, that this controller will make you feel you are doing whatever actions appear on screen.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']It is in higher demand now, but how long will it last? It seems to have the same appeal as the Guitar Hero games, that this controller will make you feel you are doing whatever actions appear on screen.[/quote]

if you think the wii and guitar hero have a similar appeal that is good news for nintendo. guitar hero is continuing to sell big.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']E) Hell, people who think that HD Radio is actually High Def. Okay, I can blame marketing on this one. Since when the hell did a 96k MP3 become "high def." Hell that's lower than what is supposed to be the standard encode rate of a typical MP3 at 128k.[/quote]Thank you!!

I don't listen to a lot of FM radio, but I do on occasion and I can't tell you how it drives me nuts to hear these muddy-sounding mp3s. You're a radio station. If the studios haven't given you the older tracks, I know you have the funding to purchase the songs you want for your library. ARGH.
 
i work at gamestop. i get a phone call or a person coming in asking about the wii, probably every 3 minutes. sometimes these conversations go like this:

do you have any wiis?
no.
do you know when youre getting more?
no.
can i reserve one?
no.
can i put my name on a list?
no.

they can last anywhere from 10 seconds to a minute. so id estimate i spend about 2 hours a day telling people that we dont have any wii's.

also, ive had more than a few "older" (im talking like parents and grandparents) who have asked for the wii and want one for themselves after playing with their kids wiis.


lol, they played with their kids wiis.
 
[quote name='ManOfKnives']if you think the wii and guitar hero have a similar appeal that is good news for nintendo. guitar hero is continuing to sell big.[/QUOTE]
Well I don't know if its good or bad. The Guitar controller is awesome and I'd love to use it for other games, but after you play enough games with it, you begin to see that a controller is just a controller. It becomes second nature to use it, so once the initial awesomeness wears off, its still a solid control scheme, but it loses its WOW factor.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']Well I don't know if its good or bad. The Guitar controller is awesome and I'd love to use it for other games, but after you play enough games with it, you begin to see that a controller is just a controller. It becomes second nature to use it, so once the initial awesomeness wears off, its still a solid control scheme, but it loses its WOW factor.[/quote]

Everything does over time, but as you said it's still a SOLID control scheme. The one difference is that the guitar controller can be used for 1 thing, the guitar games. The motion sensing controls can be used for everything. So EACH time a game maker brings some sort of unique game to the table, you are going to have that WOW factor all over again.
 
Hell yea it's in higher demand.

Number of Wii related calls I got yesterday at work: 30
Number of PS3 related calls I got at work: 2

Also, we had at least 15 walk ins asking for a Wii, maybe about 3 for a PS3.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']All I know is that I stand by what I said, and that the Wii's current success is based on the triumverate of fan loyalty (for better and/or worse), the non-gamer crowd that is the 'hot chick' that Nintendo is wooing and winning over right now (but she's a fickle, vapid bitch, and we're the inevitable booty call), and people just turning up their noses at Sony and eBay hoarders. Which they should for the time being. Just what is so ridiculous about that assessment?[/QUOTE]

Alright, so Nintendo may not have won the non-gaming crowd as of this point. Fair.

But what some people fail to even consider is that their interest with the Wii could GROW over time due to higher support and eventual price cuts? When people in this thread talk about the PS3 doing better because of greater support and price cuts, wouldn't the Wii also benefit from such things?

Software geared towards the non-gaming market (ala Bob Ross's Wii Painting) + Eventual Price Cuts = Greater general market acceptance.

Who cares if the system can't produce HD graphics if you can one day buy the system for $100, so long as the WHOLE FAMILY can play together? Do you see any such gatherings with the PS3 or 360?

According to CNN.com

[quote name='CNN.com']Research group DFC Intelligence estimates that revenues from casual games worldwide will grow to $953 million this year, from $713 million last year. They were $228 million in 2002. Those numbers do not include casual games played on handheld devices.[/QUOTE]

The Wii is, by far, in the best position to capitalize on this growing market segment.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/fun.games/11/27/casual.gaming.ap/index.html

And we're all about debate in a fair and open manner, but when you throw such phrases as Wii's current success is based on the triumverate of fan loyalty you know that you are going to piss off some people when there are numerous media articles around the world via highly respected newspapers and news shows saying they were never interested in games but enjoy the Wii. So don't play the victim when people get pissed at you. Seriously.
 
Went back to EB Games today. On Thursday, the employee said they thought they were getting a shipment this week, and it didn't come yesterday, which left today. Yesterday, I was the sixth in line and I arrived at 11:15.

Today, I got there at 10:45 and there were 14 people ahead of me. The shipment of Wiimotes and nunchucks that arrived yesterday -- a sizeable box -- were gone. After I arrived, more people kept coming. And calling.

I did not stay. I figured that even if they did get a shipment -- and it was not a guaranteed thing -- that there would not be 15 or more. The only shipment of Wiis to an EB in my area that I know about was last week and it had 3 units.

And, as for the argument that the absence of controllers does not indicate anything, I can't help but laugh. There are no controllers, nunchucks, classic controllers, or Wii points cards in my area. Anywhere. And there are a lot of these stores in my area.

Best Buy, Target, TRU, EB Games, Wal-Mart -- they've all gotten them, and multiple shipments of them. I've seen them. One day, a store will have a few remotes or chucks, then a couple days later, nada. Now they're all gone. Target is even sold out of the 3-pack controller gloves.

People without Wiis are buying them. Hell, I did -- I figured that if I didn't grab them when I saw them, I might not have a chance when/if I actually find a Wii. And I've witnessed other Wii-less people buying them.

Maybe next week. But it's looking real unlikely that I'll be able to get a Wii anytime soon.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']A lot of the reason why the Wii is in greater demand is because Nintendo loyalists are a rabid, usually disturbing bunch whose need for their Wii makes Eric Cartman seem like someone who's reached total enlightenment.

Other reasons include the fact that the Wii selling at almost a 100% mark-up is still way cheaper than a PS3 selling at a 20-30% markup, and that the PS3 launch line-up pretty much sucks. I think the Wii is really connecting more with the 'young professional' crowd that watches Scrubs and The Office and just can't get enough of the iCulture. Not bragging, but I really saw this coming months ago.

P.S. There's also the mentality for many, I think, that they've just written off the PS3 for the next few months, and definitely for the holidays. People semi-erroneously think the Wii is far more 'gettable', so therefore they're still trying for it, be it in retail or online.[/quote]
I don't think the rabid Nintendo loyalists are behind this. They've spent their nights in the cold and their money on ebay already.

No, this is straight-up word of mouth hype being generated. It's moved beyond loyalists. This is now the mainstream.

Just when you think you have all the answers, Nintendo changes all the questions. Nice intelligent flamebait post by the way, Jolly-kun. ^_^
 
In my own experience I've personally had the chance to buy a 20GB PS3 twice at retail without waiting in a line, and I've passed. The system I've wanted all along - the Wii - I have yet to see at retail (without waiting in line of course). And from what I've seen of the Wii "Sunday lines", it's like 75% parents/grandparents wanting to buy the system as a Christmas present.
 
The wii has totally taken over Ebay.

Ps3's are only getting b/t 50-90 hits for the total duration of the auction whereas wiis are upwards of 200-300 hits.

I've sold both ps3's and Wii's on ebay, and right now a wii is getting considerably more profit and around 200-250/sell vs. the 100 or so for a ps3 sale. I'll never make as much on the wii's as through some miracle of god, I got a good buyer who BIN at 3700, w/ immediate payment, no chargebacks, no problems.

I finally got a ps3 after stalking bb every morning for a couple of days. Every morning, I was the ONLY person there trying to score a ps3, whereas there were at least 8 people waiting for a wii. I also had several chances at 20gb as well, but really wanted a 60gb, and finally picked one up. The wii no matter what ALWAYS has a line to get one. It's unreal.

I have a wii as well and right now, I prefer the wii to the ps3. It's just more fun. I wasn't expecting to enjoy it as much, but nintendo truly has made an easily accesible system. My mom who has NEVER touched a game controller in her life, was starting to ASK me to play wii tennis???? Mind boggling. My fiancee who HATES video games, is obsessed w/ bowling and tennis. It's a word of mouth PHENOMENON!
 
I think it comes down to the wii having the interesting games now. Resistance doesnt seem too good. 360 has been out a year and now gets its first decent looking game (GOW) but it's still a FPS, so it doesnt look like the system will have any more variety than the first xbox (also makes you wonder how much of a further push halo 3 can give it).

Wii on the other hand is cheap now (coming with a game), has zelda, a very cool looking version of madden, and a few other decent looking games. And nintendo is a parent friendly system (no GTA to worry about)

Once metal gear, final fantasy, gran tourismo and all the other big name series start coming out for PS3 they will also be flying off the shelf.
 
[quote name='Kuros']Hell yea it's in higher demand.

Number of Wii related calls I got yesterday at work: 30
Number of PS3 related calls I got at work: 2

Also, we had at least 15 walk ins asking for a Wii, maybe about 3 for a PS3.[/QUOTE]
Yeps. I work at target, had about 5 people ask about ps3, about 20for wii. Dont even want to think about the phone calls.

ON a side note, supposedly some employee said they would have them in Friday, and people lined up, and ran into the store in the morning, with nothing there. That must suck. Wonder how word got out.
 
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