Wii U - General Discussion Thread

[quote name='antlp89']Nope.

But to me it's really not worth trying to argue with someone who lacks intelligence.

You're just wasting your time.

My opinion anyways...[/QUOTE]

I can totally see where you are coming from, lol.
 
[quote name='antlp89']Nope.

But to me it's really not worth trying to argue with someone who lacks intelligence.

You're just wasting your time.

My opinion anyways...[/QUOTE]

Just in case you missed this gem in the thread about the new Xbox announcement...

[quote name='TimboSliceGB']six days left i can't wait. I already took off work for that day just incase they open it up for preorder which i think is possible and can head to gamestop right away.[/QUOTE]

Dude's straight up trollin' the Wii U board. I'd suggest adding him to your ignore list.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Nope, I think it's third parties that are failing to realize that bigger, better, and more expensive isn't a consistent business plan. Giant Bombcast had a really interesting discussion about the upcoming next generation of games in either this week or last week's episode.

They pointed out that budgets are getting bigger and bigger on these AAA games to the point that just 1 bad selling game can break an entire year. Most specifically, they cited Take-Two, who despite having big sellers in Bioshock Infinite and Borderlands 2 over the past year they have essentially broken even with very little profit mainly because of how low sales for Max Payne 3 ended up being. More recently you've got Tomb Raider which, despite selling 3.6 million copies, was still disappointing in sales.

Yet, through all of this, the industry is clamoring for new consoles thus dramatically increasing development costs (again) while simultaneously starting back to zero in terms of console user base.

Is there almost any way new titles launching on these consoles will be able to sell 3-4 million copies at launch? Not a chance, unless they have an absolutely ridiculous amount of consoles available for launch, it's just not attainable...[/QUOTE]

I think this is pretty accurate - I hope this means Nintendo can thrive this generation eventually.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Just in case you missed this gem in the thread about the new Xbox announcement...



Dude's straight up trollin' the Wii U board. I'd suggest adding him to your ignore list.[/QUOTE]

yes im trolling but put close to 700 dollers down for a wii u, wii u games and other wii u stuff
 
omg i work 60-70 hours every dang week and when i take a much needed day off and it happens to fall on the announment day for a major gaming system im a loser
 
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Love that boxart. Comes out a few weeks before my birthday. Woot :)

Definately picking up New Super Luigi U. I own New Super Mario Bros U, so I qualify for the discounted DLC, but I rather pay $10 and get the disc. Plus my brother can then borrow it, and maybe chip in with me. Win win!
 
[quote name='io']This is getting out of hand. STOP. Now. All of you![/QUOTE]
Hey, I wasn't involved in a fight here.
#firsttimeforeverything
To be fair, I don't think that Nintendo is losing sales in the same way that a movie studio would if you watched their movie on YouTube. I REALLY, HONESTLY don't think Nintendo understands the Internet. These videos are not hurting their sales and probably actually help them.

Can Nintendo monetize and/or pull the videos? It's YouTube/Google's policy to allow that so yes they can. This says nothing about Fair Use Doctrine. Google explicitly states that they are not making judgements on it and are not a court of law. They have rules for YouTube and those rules allow Nintendo to take these actions.

The real discussion here should be, is it a wise move for Nintendo?
 
[quote name='Blaster man']Hey, I wasn't involved in a fight here.
#firsttimeforeverything
To be fair, I don't think that Nintendo is losing sales in the same way that a movie studio would if you watched their movie on YouTube. I REALLY, HONESTLY don't think Nintendo understands the Internet. These videos are not hurting their sales and probably actually help them.

Can Nintendo monetize and/or pull the videos? It's YouTube/Google's policy to allow that so yes they can. This says nothing about Fair Use Doctrine. Google explicitly states that they are not making judgements on it and are not a court of law. They have rules for YouTube and those rules allow Nintendo to take these actions.

The real discussion here should be, is it a wise move for Nintendo?[/QUOTE]

i will admit most of the games i buy that im not so sure i want i wait till i see videos on youtube and decided if i like the game or not. most of the people on youtube that just play nintendo games are even upset about it.
 
I'll be damned if that W101 box art doesn't make me want to get it... Was on the fence (a Pikmin-ish game coming out shortly after Pikmin 3? Who thought that was a good release time?) but it just looks so fun!
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']I'll be damned if that W101 box art doesn't make me want to get it... Was on the fence (a Pikmin-ish game coming out shortly after Pikmin 3? Who thought that was a good release time?) but it just looks so fun![/QUOTE]

Yeah Im really hoping it's not that much like pikmin.
 
[quote name='Javery']I think this is pretty accurate - I hope this means Nintendo can thrive this generation eventually.[/QUOTE]
It makes me think just the opposite, because Nintendo is subject to those development costs in cooking up their first-party titles. A relative dud like Other M is going to make them gunshy about trying "new" things with old properties -- or developing new properties altogether. On top of all of that, they have the additional burden of developing and supporting the hardware.

Granted, their user base may not have the expectations of others, but they still have to allocate resources to the console side. That's a losing venture given what everyone in this thread is saying about the console market.

Overall, my outlook on N is to mostly agree with the sentiment of the EA engineer: the "family" market is going to tablets and mobile devices at an increasing rate. Handhelds are currently popular, but I don't think kids don't look at them as "their" gaming outlet. If N wants to stay in the hardware business, they've got to cook up something fast. Home consoles are not a money maker moving forward, virtually everyone is saying that. Handhelds are profitable now but times are changing.

I've got a good recent anecdote about this: My kid and I were talking about her first "big" electronic device for her very own, and I asked her if she wanted a 3ds (which some of her friends own) or a tablet for xmas. (She games/draws/reads on a rooted Nook at home, I'd get her something like that.) She told me she wanted a tablet, provided that santa "put good comics on it."

It's just one kid, but it's the fact that there exists a context in which a kid can reply that way that has me worried for N. I mean, at any time before the mobile/tablet market came along, I wouldn't have imagined a kid turning down a GB/GBA/DS/3DS for any other device. I'm not saying handhelds are disappearing anytime soon, but the market for exclusive gaming handhelds is definitely NOT growing. I don't see how anyone can view that as a positive for Nintendo.
 
[quote name='dothog']It makes me think just the opposite, because Nintendo is subject to those development costs in cooking up their first-party titles. A relative dud like Other M is going to make them gunshy about trying "new" things with old properties -- or developing new properties altogether. On top of all of that, they have the additional burden of developing and supporting the hardware.

Granted, their user base may not have the expectations of others, but they still have to allocate resources to the console side. That's a losing venture given what everyone in this thread is saying about the console market.

Overall, my outlook on N is to mostly agree with the sentiment of the EA engineer: the "family" market is going to tablets and mobile devices at an increasing rate. Handhelds are currently popular, but I don't think kids don't look at them as "their" gaming outlet. If N wants to stay in the hardware business, they've got to cook up something fast. Home consoles are not a money maker moving forward, virtually everyone is saying that. Handhelds are profitable now but times are changing.

I've got a good recent anecdote about this: My kid and I were talking about her first "big" electronic device for her very own, and I asked her if she wanted a 3ds (which some of her friends own) or a tablet for xmas. (She games/draws/reads on a rooted Nook at home, I'd get her something like that.) She told me she wanted a tablet, provided that santa "put good comics on it."

It's just one kid, but it's the fact that there exists a context in which a kid can reply that way that has me worried for N. I mean, at any time before the mobile/tablet market came along, I wouldn't have imagined a kid turning down a GB/GBA/DS/3DS for any other device. I'm not saying handhelds are disappearing anytime soon, but the market for exclusive gaming handhelds is definitely NOT growing. I don't see how anyone can view that as a positive for Nintendo.[/QUOTE]

Except the 3DS is outpacing the DS in comparative sales....

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/18/3ds-still-outselling-ds/
 
DS compared to DS is kind of avoiding the presence of a new competitor (mobile/tablet) in the market. How many mobile/tablet devices (used for gaming) are owned in the DS and 3DS time periods under comparison there?

But I get it, that's exactly the kind of thinking N is hoping its investors stick to: hey, look at our sales over previous sales, and DON'T LOOK OVER THERE, NOTHING TO SEE THERE.
 
If they are doing better sales now with the 3ds than the ds, and the 3ds has to compete with tablets/phones, doesnt that make the 3DS even BETTER?
 
[quote name='Deader2818']If they are doing better sales now with the 3ds than the ds, and the 3ds has to compete with tablets/phones, doesnt that make the 3DS even BETTER?[/QUOTE]

The DS took off in North America around the time Pokemon Diamond and Pearl came out. While there was a bit of a charge with NSMB + Brain Age the fall prior, Pokemon is when the thing exploded.

I think with good word of mouth + reviews, Animal Crossing will move some units and help build momentum until Pokemon sends it sky high this holiday, because it's going to be marketed really hard.
 
[quote name='dothog']It makes me think just the opposite, because Nintendo is subject to those development costs in cooking up their first-party titles. A relative dud like Other M is going to make them gunshy about trying "new" things with old properties -- or developing new properties altogether. On top of all of that, they have the additional burden of developing and supporting the hardware.

Granted, their user base may not have the expectations of others, but they still have to allocate resources to the console side. That's a losing venture given what everyone in this thread is saying about the console market.[/QUOTE]

This is OK - if Nintendo can hang around and turn a profit by making 10-15 AAA first party titles per generation - even based on the same "tired" formula - I would call it a success even if there were no third party games at all. At this point I'll buy ANY system they put out once there are proper Mario/Zelda/Metroid entries - Pikmin, NSMB, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, etc. are just the icing on the cake and will justify the purchase long term.

It still depresses me that they appear to have no idea what they are doing right now though. I think they are INSANE asking for $350. If it was $200 for the deluxe I'd probably own one by now.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']If they are doing better sales now with the 3ds than the ds, and the 3ds has to compete with tablets/phones, doesnt that make the 3DS even BETTER?[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily, those numbers are the kind that beg for context -- in this case, the expansion of the combination handheld/mobile/tablet market.

I don't know the actual numbers, but let's say that while the DS sold its 6M units in its first 2 years, games-capable mobile/tablet sales were 9M. And now the 3DS sales are 8M units for its first two years. If mobile/tablet sales are 12M over that same period, then Nintendo has grown its market at a similar rate to that of mobiles/tablets.

But we can be almost positive that isn't the case, because mobiles that can game are much bigger than they were when the DS came out and tablets weren't even a thing when the DS came out.

The DS/3DS sales comparison misses the bigger point, though, which is that mobiles/tablets now are doing things that actively threaten the 3DS's market share. That wasn't the case when the DS came out. So to grow your market a bit is good, but when the rest of the market is exploding otherwise (and I think it's safe to say that's the case in mobile/tablet gaming), those numbers aren't as comfortable as Reggie's making them out to be.

Which is a long way of saying I'm still worried for N. (Also, note that none of the above takes into account the deep cut into the 3DS's MSRP, which certainly isn't a feather in N's cap.)

[quote name='Javery']It still depresses me that they appear to have no idea what they are doing right now though. I think they are INSANE asking for $350. If it was $200 for the deluxe I'd probably own one by now.[/QUOTE]
I think your reaction to the MSRP is shared by a lot of consumers. And this isn't to gang up on N, MS and Sony are probably going to feel the pain in this regard when their new consoles hit. The mobile/tablet market is changing things. People are directly comparing console costs to mobile costs -- as gamers we know that's not an apples to apples proposition, but non-gamers don't care.

I don't give a shit about MS or Sony, but I feel bad for N trying to carve a market for itself in this. I think it explains a lot of the confusion on their part, they're groping for a strategy that isn't coming to them. It's tough.
 
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i don't think tablets/phones are ever going to be offer the same experience an actual gaming console will. There are a lot of decent/crappy apps that are time killers but the best tablet/phone app can't even hold a flame to titles the 3DS/DS or hell even the Vita has to offer.

Somewhat makes me happy though that those kinda "gamers" are going for tablet games. hopefully the market can go back to making games for people that actually like to play games and not pander to the lowest common denominator.

Honestly though if the 3ds is able to move more units than the DS AND has more "mobile" competition than the DS had, i don't know how you can spin that to say its bad for them.
 
The tablet is a multifunctional device, if a kid is gonna have one device, and most parents will only buy one, its a no brainer to pick the tablet over the 3ds, which only plays games. The tablet does so much more, and is also educational, the 3ds does not have an educational component at all so this is a turn off for parents. If i was picking a device for my kid and could only pick one the tablet wins everyday for so many reasons. Lets not forget leap pads, innotab's and mobigo's, these devices are popular for the pre-smartphone kid and are educational, so they are obviously selling a lot of them, cutting into sales of the 3DS. I see kids playing them all the time while sitting in strollers and shopping carts. Previously those same kids would have a game boy in their hands.

However some kids love Mario, pokemon and the Nintendo franchises and those kids will specifically ask for the 3ds. Also the 3ds is cheap enough now where it can be purchased in addition to a tablet or other device, if the parents have enough money and want to that is but a lot of parents will not do this. There are quite a few adults purchasing this system now as well much more so than with the game boy color, I was probably one of the only adults to purchase that.

Yes the 3ds has other features besides games, but really, no one is using those features, the camera is horrible, the Music player is horrible as well and the web browser barely works. People are taking this system putting a game in it and playing, and not doing anything else with it. These features are a waste and not needed IMO.

We also have a whole generation of kids now who are being literately born with an iPhone in their hands, I know some of them personally and these kids are not getting to Nintendo since they are born with an iPhone in their hands. Aka they don't care about Nintendo since they already have a portable device. People who are born with Nintendo and grow up with it are more likely to want their products in the future, but the kids who are born with an iPhone and there are a lot of them now, it's just not reaching them. Right now Nintendo is selling to kids who grew up with the Wii, so they know Nintendo fondly but it's going to get harder and harder to sell to future generations as they cling to apple products earlier and earlier.
 
[quote name='SaraAB']
We also have a whole generation of kids now who are being literately born with an iPhone in their hands, I know some of them personally and these kids are not getting to Nintendo since they are born with an iPhone in their hands. Aka they don't care about Nintendo since they already have a portable device. People who are born with Nintendo and grow up with it are more likely to want their products in the future, but the kids who are born with an iPhone and there are a lot of them now, it's just not reaching them. Right now Nintendo is selling to kids who grew up with the Wii, so they know Nintendo fondly but it's going to get harder and harder to sell to future generations as they cling to apple products earlier and earlier.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with this, I see so many 2-3 years old in restaurants playing with iPads. I have many cousins that range from 5-10 years old, that get more excited about angry birds than mario. :whistle2:# 1 of them is 7 years old that owns a 3DS but always play minecraft and plants vs zombies on his ipad mini instead. I'm not even sure if he knows how to play them but he likes playing it. >.>
 
I'm not a WiiU owner, but I might be if it's still a viable console when it hits $200.

That said, I have to say I'm deeply, deeply appreciative of the mature, thoughtful, and respectful conversation going on in this thread. Respectful, considerate disagreement is amazing and rare on the internet, and it will be missing entirely from the next round of console wars b/w Sony and Microsoft.

So, good on y'all.
 
Even though Nintendo is regurgitating Virtual Console games, at least they're doing it at a healthy pace so far. 3 games this week and next week (albeit all Kirby games) and the Super Mario Bros. 2 special deal. Hopefully they offer some new games sooner than later...
 
In the wake of the EA negativity, Ubi steps up:

Ubisoft reaffirms its faith in Nintendo

By James Brightman



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Publisher confident that "Nintendo will take steps to ensure that the Wii U is successful in the market”
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The proverbial shit hit the fan this week when Electronic Arts confirmed that it no longer has any Wii U games in development and that it's essentially backing away completely from the Nintendo console. The move, which provoked much discussion on the web (including from our European editor Matt Martin), is certainly a bad omen for the Wii U business, but French publisher Ubisoft is sticking by Nintendo.
As one of the strongest supporters of Wii U from the beginning, Ubisoft would still appear to be 100 percent committed to the platform with a host of different titles, despite the fact that Nintendo hasn't been able to build up a solid installed base.
When approached by GamesIndustry International about whether the company may reevaluate its stance on devoting resources to a struggling platform, a spokesperson told us, "As with any new console, it takes some time to grow an established base. Ubisoft has a varied and high-quality line-up for Wii U, with more big titles on the way including Rayman Legends, Watch Dogs, Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag and Splinter Cell Blacklist. We're confident that this will help in continuing to attract gamers to the Wii U system and that Nintendo will take steps to ensure that the Wii U is successful in the market."
Nintendo has a hard road ahead of itself with the Wii U, but the company has to be happy that it has a friend in Ubisoft.
 
I think with Ubisoft support the Wii U should do pretty well. Ubisoft makes a lot of different types of games and getting support from them is pretty nice. They supported the Wii pretty well too imo.

Id much rather have the full support of Ubisoft over EA.
 
[quote name='htz']I have to agree with this, I see so many 2-3 years old in restaurants playing with iPads. I have many cousins that range from 5-10 years old, that get more excited about angry birds than mario. :whistle2:# 1 of them is 7 years old that owns a 3DS but always play minecraft and plants vs zombies on his ipad mini instead. I'm not even sure if he knows how to play them but he likes playing it. >.>[/QUOTE]

My one cousin is really into Nintendo however he is now saving for an iPad mini, the Wii isn't really viable for a kid as an only console especially now that its dead, he beats the games quickly (in a couple weeks after release maybe at the most) then he has to wait for the next one to come out which can take a very long time. He has probably played everything from the Wii library that is good. His other consoles are a ps2, psp, Saturn, and 3DS. He does like RPG's which is good. He doesn't want the Wii U and lives in a house with no HDTV, I can only imagine if he got a Wii U he would be disappointed with the lack of games right now.

There are still kids that want to play the 3DS, but again tablets are educational, which is the big selling point to parents. I think a lot of parents buy these tablets with the hope that their kids will choose reading or homework practice once in a while over playing a game. Some schools loan out locked down tablets to students for school use only. I see tons of kids watching video on tablets that are being pushed around in strollers, plus I see plenty of kids small enough to sit in the top of a shopping cart with their parents phones in their hands playing games. This market is growing at an alarming pace, we have kids who have their parents old iPhone at 1-3 years old. These kids don't have 3DS systems in their hands the iPhone is already in the family so the parents don't have to buy something new for their kids.
 
There's a reason why tablet/phone games are so much more appealing to the younger set (7 and under): they are much more intuitive. My now 5-year old had no problem picking up the iPhone or iPad when he was 3 or 4 and playing a bunch of different things on it. A controller and/or bunch of buttons can be overwhelming. My daughter just turned 3 a few months back - she's always been able to navigate iPhone games but I wouldn't even think of handing her a controller. Now, part of that is just conditioning. My oldest son (who is 13 and now a 360-fanboy by the way) only had the Gamecube to play with when he was younger and he made the best of it - could play Mario Sunshine and the like with a decent amount of skill when he was 4 or 5. My 5 year-old was curious about the DS when he saw my older son playing it the other day. So I gave him our old phat DS. He tried several games and gave up on them after a while and went back to borrowing his brother's iPad.

Even my 10 year-old, who I bought a 3DS for a couple years back, has now gone over almost entirely to the iPad. We got him the iPad for Christmas (our first one ever) and while it is for the family to share, it is his priority to use since it was his only present. He took a break from it recently to play Mario Sticker Star on the 3DS (while using the iPad to consult a guide ;)). But otherwise it is iPad all the time for his gaming. He has also almost completely stopped playing the PS3 as well, so it isn't just handhelds or Nintendo that can suffer from tablet-competition.

As for me, I just can't get into most iPad/iPhone stuff. I mean, all I ever use it for is Angry Birds and I only play that when I'm waiting for take-out food or something.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']What games are they even playing on an ipad if you dont mind me asking.[/QUOTE]

I'll have to ask. The younger ones I know love the Toca stuff (Hair Salon, Band, etc).

My 10 year-old was playing Mushroom Wars the other day but it requires an in-app purchase to unlock most of it. He had played that before on the PS3. He was playing some Zombie farm thing the last time I looked. He's upstairs playing it right now. I'll go ask him...

Edit: Yeah, "Zombie Farm", "Monster Pet", and "Mole Escape" are the 3 he pointed out to me that he has played most recently. I am always grabbing free stuff for it, though, so he has tons more. And occasionally we buy a thing or two. That's another point, though: except for the initial purchase, iPad gaming is way, way cheaper than traditional handhelds or consoles.

They are great for games that are conducive to more intuitive control schemes but obviously not so much for stuff that would better be controlled by an analog stick (or two).
 
eh, i guess thats the thing for me, i mean yeah, i guess they are nice time wasters, esp for young kids that might not have a long attention span, but i would think for older people, or even tweens, games with actual production value will start to win out.
 
I have a really good tablet and a smartphone, don't own a single game on them, everything just seems like shovelware or at least not worthy of my time over any full priced games I buy. I honestly mostly use them for podcasts.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']eh, i guess thats the thing for me, i mean yeah, i guess they are nice time wasters, esp for young kids that might not have a long attention span, but i would think for older people, or even tweens, games with actual production value will start to win out.[/QUOTE]

But the thing is, there are plenty of full-sized regular console-type games on there and they are much cheaper. Mushroom Wars (a fairly hard tower defense game to master) is one example. It isn't all kiddie stuff or shovelware. In fact, I'd say the quality of most stuff I download beats the crap out of typical console shovelware.
 
i guess its all well and good, you enjoy what you enjoy and its good that they use the ipad for many other things. I doubt the Highest tier app games could even be better than the mid tier games on a handheld though.
 
See, I am probably one of the only person in their 20's who doesn't have a smartphone or tablet. I pretty much stopped playing games on a cell phone the day I got my driver's license and before that, it was mostly gaming with my game boy color when on the road. I'm never in a situation when I could play games on my phone. Any short time is with my 3DS, which I find very satisfying.

For me the mobile gaming market means nothing to me.
 
I think the capability is there. You could probably get a game as good as say New Super Mario Bros 2 or Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon on a tablet/smart phone. Haven't seen one yet though.
 
When I first got my smart phone, i got some apps to try out. Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja, cut the rope etc. It was fun for a bit to kill time on break but then i got bored with them really fast. Only one I really enjoyed was Wheres my Water and thats just because I enjoy puzzle type games.

I haven't touched a game app on my phone in months. I did the same thing with facebook games too and got bored of them very quickly. Hell I consider facebook games and game apps to be the same really.
 
[quote name='Erad30']I think the capability is there. You could probably get a game as good as say New Super Mario Bros 2 or Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon on a tablet/smart phone. Haven't seen one yet though.[/QUOTE]

I think the biggest problem with that is the controls. Digital buttons just arent the same and really don't work as well as physical buttons. Esp something that you use analog sticks for.

I know you can get a controller for phone/ipad but at that point, might as well just use an actual gaming system.
 
[quote name='Josh5890']See, I am probably one of the only person in their 20's who doesn't have a smartphone or tablet. I pretty much stopped playing games on a cell phone the day I got my driver's license and before that, it was mostly gaming with my game boy color when on the road. I'm never in a situation when I could play games on my phone. Any short time is with my 3DS, which I find very satisfying.

For me the mobile gaming market means nothing to me.[/QUOTE]

Ditto. As impressive as it is to see my phone running a very good looking Minecraft, it's a chore to play compared to the 360 port.

Most of the phone games I've tried feel very imprecise and that's an annoyance that no other elements of a game can balance out for me.
 
Right, but you are all adult gamers and appreciate the depth of most 3DS games compared to tablet/phone games - the original point here is that a lot of kids are either starting off on iPad/iPhone or moving over to it. I see it all over the place. On my last plane trip I saw tons of those being played and not one 3DS (or Vita but that goes without saying ;)).

I know the 3DS is selling, and selling well, but Nintendo has definitely lost a significant percentage of the handheld gaming market to those devices. But I'd also argue that even Sony and MS (and Nintendo on the console side) have also lost a large percentage of their maket to those same devices. And yet, as a whole, the gaming market is much bigger as a result of those devices. So I'm not sure what the overall effect on the big 3 really is.
 
I think $1 games are going to become a problem for developers to live on financially. It seems like if anything's over $2 on iOS, it's considered overpriced. But also, that line of thinking has sort of trickled into the mindset of consoles/handhelds in that the software is too expensive, thus hurting initial sales. People nowadays are more prone to buy a $60 game when it gets to $40 or less because they know for a fact that it's going to happen relatively soon after a game's launch (with an exception to most Nintendo games). That really isn't making console game makers/manufacturers happy.

I'm not saying it's going to make console games cheaper, I'm saying it's going to cost a lot of people their jobs because these games won't make enough money and you've seen a significant decline in software sales over the last two years because of it.
 
[quote name='io']Right, but you are all adult gamers and appreciate the depth of most 3DS games compared to tablet/phone games - the original point here is that a lot of kids are either starting off on iPad/iPhone or moving over to it. I see it all over the place. On my last plane trip I saw tons of those being played and not one 3DS (or Vita but that goes without saying ;)).

I know the 3DS is selling, and selling well, but Nintendo has definitely lost a significant percentage of the handheld gaming market to those devices. But I'd also argue that even Sony and MS (and Nintendo on the console side) have also lost a large percentage of their maket to those same devices. And yet, as a whole, the gaming market is much bigger as a result of those devices. So I'm not sure what the overall effect on the big 3 really is.[/QUOTE]
Yep, this is right on the money. I had observed all these kids on mobiles/tablets, but it didn't take until my own kid picked a 3ds over a tablet.

To be honest, I think it goes to a point that has something to do with an earlier post about "kids being born with iPhones": I think kids now are more resourceful consumers than they were when I was a kid. They're thinking about the device and all the ways they use it -- they're just not thinking "I WANT MARIO." The days of one single title selling a system -- at least from a kid's POV -- are likely behind us.

That could be a huge generalization based on my anecdotal experience. I'm just impressed that the first thing my kid pointed out when faced with 3DS vs. Tablet was that she wanted comics, too. She's not dwelling on the kinds of games or quality of games (as a gamer would), she's immediately looking to the other things she wants to do aside from games.

I wouldn't have done that as a kid...and even as an adult, it's hard for me to shake the desire to play the latest Mario/Zelda/Mario Kart even though I know the WIIU isn't for me.
 
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