wiispeak animal crossing bundle - 69.99, any takers?
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greyzieoriental
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unless the wii speak will be compatible with Smash Bros and Mario Kart, I dont see no point in owning the bundle, me and my buddy use the 360 to chat while we play Smash anyways
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[quote name='Strell']A press release revealed today said the official bundle price is 69.99.
Again, as I said in the other AC thread - Cammie Dunaway is the new Kaplan. Doesn't know a thing and spouts out incorrect information left and right.
This is just all kinds of stupid.[/QUOTE]
Ugh.
Just for that, I plan on finding a way to use my own mic without buying the bundle/wiispeak. Let's do it homebrew.
Again, as I said in the other AC thread - Cammie Dunaway is the new Kaplan. Doesn't know a thing and spouts out incorrect information left and right.
This is just all kinds of stupid.[/QUOTE]
Ugh.
Just for that, I plan on finding a way to use my own mic without buying the bundle/wiispeak. Let's do it homebrew.
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Pass. Not for 70 dollars, Nintendo is out of their mind.
Remember when they were desperate to sell Gamecubes for the holiday season, so they packed in an extra Gamecube controller, and Mario Party 6 with mic with a Gamecube for 99.99? We need to see more of that, you assholes.
Remember when they were desperate to sell Gamecubes for the holiday season, so they packed in an extra Gamecube controller, and Mario Party 6 with mic with a Gamecube for 99.99? We need to see more of that, you assholes.
That was Mario Party 7, 
I know that because that's what I got my BF for Christmas one year.
But it really doesn't matter.
I'm pissed about the $70 price. Like....I get it that it's CHEAPER than buying them both separate, but come on.
To make this worth it, every online game from here on out needs to be Wii Speak compatible.
In fact, they technically should be able to make updates for for games like Brawl & Mario Kart to be able to use it.
I know that because that's what I got my BF for Christmas one year.But it really doesn't matter.
I'm pissed about the $70 price. Like....I get it that it's CHEAPER than buying them both separate, but come on.
To make this worth it, every online game from here on out needs to be Wii Speak compatible.
In fact, they technically should be able to make updates for for games like Brawl & Mario Kart to be able to use it.
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[quote name='Friend of Sonic']Pass. Not for 70 dollars, Nintendo is out of their mind.
Remember when they were desperate to sell Gamecubes for the holiday season, so they packed in an extra Gamecube controller, and Mario Party 6 with mic with a Gamecube for 99.99? We need to see more of that, you assholes.[/QUOTE]
Considering that Ninty is obviously not that desperate this console generation, don't see it happening.
Going to pass on this bundle as well, but AC:CF's still a day one purchase for me.
Remember when they were desperate to sell Gamecubes for the holiday season, so they packed in an extra Gamecube controller, and Mario Party 6 with mic with a Gamecube for 99.99? We need to see more of that, you assholes.[/QUOTE]
Considering that Ninty is obviously not that desperate this console generation, don't see it happening.
Going to pass on this bundle as well, but AC:CF's still a day one purchase for me.
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In fact, they technically should be able to make updates for for games like Brawl & Mario Kart to be able to use it.[/QUOTE]
I don't know where you got that idea. Nintendo is notoriously anti-patching. They'll throw in an update here and there, but those almost always add to what exists, and doesn't change it. There's no evidence that they've done this in the past, nor anything to indicate them doing it in the future (especially not while optical/physical media is still in play).
Now, Mario Kart has the MK Channel, and I could see them adding the functionality there since that channel is essentially an OS extension. It is most possible there.
Brawl's online infrastructure is already so broken that I don't need anything exacerbating it. And since that game doesn't have a channel associated with it, I'm almost 100% sure there's no way to get chat functionality in.
This is Nintendo we're talking about, people. They don't think like Microsoft or Sony. I get that these things are annoying and they piss me off too, but I don't suddenly act like I didn't expect this sort of thing out of them. We all know it would use Friend Codes, we all know it's this odd choice to be a standalone room-wide speaker instead of a headset, we all know it can't be backwards (or, really, retroactive) compatible, etc etc.
I don't know why suddenly everyone gets their hopes up that Nintendo is going to change their minds about these things - the Wii is more or less set in its ways. It's been out two years and we've still got storage problems, no rumble in the VC, an assortment of online issues, and so on.
You don't have to like these things and you SHOULD be complaining, but let's keep it in the realm of reality here and there.
In fact, they technically should be able to make updates for for games like Brawl & Mario Kart to be able to use it.[/QUOTE]
I don't know where you got that idea. Nintendo is notoriously anti-patching. They'll throw in an update here and there, but those almost always add to what exists, and doesn't change it. There's no evidence that they've done this in the past, nor anything to indicate them doing it in the future (especially not while optical/physical media is still in play).
Now, Mario Kart has the MK Channel, and I could see them adding the functionality there since that channel is essentially an OS extension. It is most possible there.
Brawl's online infrastructure is already so broken that I don't need anything exacerbating it. And since that game doesn't have a channel associated with it, I'm almost 100% sure there's no way to get chat functionality in.
This is Nintendo we're talking about, people. They don't think like Microsoft or Sony. I get that these things are annoying and they piss me off too, but I don't suddenly act like I didn't expect this sort of thing out of them. We all know it would use Friend Codes, we all know it's this odd choice to be a standalone room-wide speaker instead of a headset, we all know it can't be backwards (or, really, retroactive) compatible, etc etc.
I don't know why suddenly everyone gets their hopes up that Nintendo is going to change their minds about these things - the Wii is more or less set in its ways. It's been out two years and we've still got storage problems, no rumble in the VC, an assortment of online issues, and so on.
You don't have to like these things and you SHOULD be complaining, but let's keep it in the realm of reality here and there.
I said they COULD make it happen, not WOULD!And that's a shame. It really is!
Mario Kart Online is already awesome, and this would make it more awesome.
I don't understand all of this, though. Strikers Online was decent, but that was a game that I think we all knew wasn't going to be a HUGE hit. Brawl came out, and that SHOULD have been THE online game..yet, its glitchy and kinda broken. Mario Kart IS awesome online, but I think it shouldn't be better than Brawl. Brawl should have had it's own channel and should have been the game to debut Wii Speak.
Yet, a game like Animal Crossing, where online is NEAT but not required to get a full experience, debuts the Wii Speak.
This is all so ass backwards. : (
[quote name='lilboo']I said they COULD make it happen, not WOULD![/quote]
And I'm saying they can't, not won't. Let's not play semantics with me.
Edit: Actually, I'm saying first that they won't, but secondly they can't. So it's a double-whammy situation.
They had an extra month to tool around with MK. Plus it's essentially the MK Arcade build - so they definitely had a lot more time to add in stuff, which is probably where the channel idea came from. Not to mention that Brawl was about 100x the content of MK.
Again, this is Nintendo. They don't think online is a big deal. They saw all the money MS lost getting their network set up and it scares them. I don't know how Sony's online fares, but it can't be much better. Point being is I can guaran-damn-tee you that they NEVER thought voice chatting was a big deal, and certainly never thought they'd be adding such functionality to the Wii.
To Nintendo, that X billion dollars upfront cancels out the fact that Microsoft is able to use their system to funnel out nickel-and-diming/media content for extra profit. It probably doesn't help that when you really look at it, I'm guessing less than 50% of all 360 owners are online all the time (though I could be very wrong on that so I'm not holding onto it too strongly).
Point being is that Nintendo doesn't think it's a big deal. It doesn't help that in Japan, online gaming isn't near the bullet point it is here in the states.
And I'm saying they can't, not won't. Let's not play semantics with me.
Edit: Actually, I'm saying first that they won't, but secondly they can't. So it's a double-whammy situation.
They had an extra month to tool around with MK. Plus it's essentially the MK Arcade build - so they definitely had a lot more time to add in stuff, which is probably where the channel idea came from. Not to mention that Brawl was about 100x the content of MK.
Again, this is Nintendo. They don't think online is a big deal. They saw all the money MS lost getting their network set up and it scares them. I don't know how Sony's online fares, but it can't be much better. Point being is I can guaran-damn-tee you that they NEVER thought voice chatting was a big deal, and certainly never thought they'd be adding such functionality to the Wii.
To Nintendo, that X billion dollars upfront cancels out the fact that Microsoft is able to use their system to funnel out nickel-and-diming/media content for extra profit. It probably doesn't help that when you really look at it, I'm guessing less than 50% of all 360 owners are online all the time (though I could be very wrong on that so I'm not holding onto it too strongly).
Point being is that Nintendo doesn't think it's a big deal. It doesn't help that in Japan, online gaming isn't near the bullet point it is here in the states.
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since the bundle is officially priced at 70,
i've bought just the game on amazon for 50 with the 10 dollars back pre-order bonus.
and i'll wait and see what people think of wii speak before i get it. though i do assume i'll get it. i'm hoping though that i can at least find it for 20 somewhere if i wait long enough.
i've bought just the game on amazon for 50 with the 10 dollars back pre-order bonus.
and i'll wait and see what people think of wii speak before i get it. though i do assume i'll get it. i'm hoping though that i can at least find it for 20 somewhere if i wait long enough.
[quote name='buttle']since the bundle is officially priced at 70,
i've bought just the game on amazon for 50 with the 10 dollars back pre-order bonus.
and i'll wait and see what people think of wii speak before i get it. though i do assume i'll get it. i'm hoping though that i can at least find it for 20 somewhere if i wait long enough.[/quote]
That's what I'm doing too, except I'm buying it at Estarland. I figure I'll be able to get Wii Speak later on with a Black Friday deal or by using some of my Amazon gift cards.
I just hope it's not a complete pain to type using the wii remote.
i've bought just the game on amazon for 50 with the 10 dollars back pre-order bonus.
and i'll wait and see what people think of wii speak before i get it. though i do assume i'll get it. i'm hoping though that i can at least find it for 20 somewhere if i wait long enough.[/quote]
That's what I'm doing too, except I'm buying it at Estarland. I figure I'll be able to get Wii Speak later on with a Black Friday deal or by using some of my Amazon gift cards.
I just hope it's not a complete pain to type using the wii remote.
[quote name='Daisydog']That's what I'm doing too, except I'm buying it at Estarland. I figure I'll be able to get Wii Speak later on with a Black Friday deal or by using some of my Amazon gift cards.
I just hope it's not a complete pain to type using the wii remote.[/quote]
IIRC USB keyboards work too. Wouldn't be too much of a chore to use one every now and then.
I just hope it's not a complete pain to type using the wii remote.[/quote]
IIRC USB keyboards work too. Wouldn't be too much of a chore to use one every now and then.
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A little story: Preordered the game at the Nintendo World Store yesterday (was there mainly for a Wii Fit, but I'm also planning on going to the AC:CF launch event). When they asked if I wanted the game with Wii Speak, I said "no bundle", and the clerks approved, saying something along the lines of "not buying into the gimmick".
Even the Ninty World staff knows what's up
Even the Ninty World staff knows what's up
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Everyone knows full well it will NEVER be implemented with any other game after this, plus they just released a statement that it will be tagged with a one use only code so once you activate it, you can't resell it if you don't like/want it.
[quote name='VioletArrows']Everyone knows full well it will NEVER be implemented with any other game after this, plus they just released a statement that it will be tagged with a one use only code so once you activate it, you can't resell it if you don't like/want it.[/QUOTE]
A code for the chat channel.
Even when I had a 360, almost no one used the chat capabilities outside of games. And if you HAD to do it, everyone just went into Uno anyway.
Is it annoying and loads of nonsense? Yes. So Nintendo not be doing it? Yes. Do I hope they will change their mind in the future? Yes.
But let's not make it sound like it's going to melt your system or something.
A code for the chat channel.
Even when I had a 360, almost no one used the chat capabilities outside of games. And if you HAD to do it, everyone just went into Uno anyway.
Is it annoying and loads of nonsense? Yes. So Nintendo not be doing it? Yes. Do I hope they will change their mind in the future? Yes.
But let's not make it sound like it's going to melt your system or something.
Do we know anything about the channel yet?
Perhaps the Wii Speak can't be enabled/configured without the channel. There has to be some kind of restriction there, otherwise I would think we could use a USB microphone/headset? I don't know how these things work.
Perhaps the Wii Speak can't be enabled/configured without the channel. There has to be some kind of restriction there, otherwise I would think we could use a USB microphone/headset? I don't know how these things work.
[quote name='yukine']Do we know anything about the channel yet?
Perhaps the Wii Speak can't be enabled/configured without the channel. There has to be some kind of restriction there, otherwise I would think we could use a USB microphone/headset? I don't know how these things work.[/QUOTE]
I could go buy it at Walmart and test it out. They got 'em both in there (game and mic).
'Course then I lose ten bucks for a social experiment for digital personalities on the interwebz.
Perhaps the Wii Speak can't be enabled/configured without the channel. There has to be some kind of restriction there, otherwise I would think we could use a USB microphone/headset? I don't know how these things work.[/QUOTE]
I could go buy it at Walmart and test it out. They got 'em both in there (game and mic).
'Course then I lose ten bucks for a social experiment for digital personalities on the interwebz.
[quote name='Strell']I could go buy it at Walmart and test it out. They got 'em both in there (game and mic).
'Course then I lose ten bucks for a social experiment for digital personalities on the interwebz.[/quote]
I'm pretty tempted to go pick it up tonight, but on the other hand I'd rather get a deal online.
Huh?
'Course then I lose ten bucks for a social experiment for digital personalities on the interwebz.[/quote]
I'm pretty tempted to go pick it up tonight, but on the other hand I'd rather get a deal online.
Huh?
I.e.
You ungrateful jerks, why should I spend ten bucks to figure it out for you guys when I can wait until a slightly cheaper bundle is available? Go buy it yourselves and find out! Cheap jerks.
P.S. Jerks.
[quote name='vherub']this unique news is... well, I don't know what to think. Is Nintendo shooting an arrow across the bow of used gaming?
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Iwata has expressed in the past that he doesn't like the idea of gamers waiting for a game's price to drop. He followed this up with "thus we should try to sell them cheaper from the get go," but everyone latched onto the first sentence and waved it around like a trophy of the damned.
Point being is that I'm sure if we asked him about it further, he wouldn't be hot on used game sales, much like most developers aren't. Let's face it - it's lost sales to the developers, and there's no two ways about it. Combined with things like ramped up piracy due to faster net connections and so on, I'm guessing more and more bean counters at various devhouses are shitting themselves and screaming about how they need to stem the blood flow.
And since we're now entering into a more digital age where things can be monitored/remotely activated in a turn-key fashion (unmonitored, user-driven experiences for various products), I'm thinking we'll see more of this thing down the line. EA is already doing it, as are some others, ranging from DLC on disks already to in-game weapons to various extraneous (but useful) features in games, etc.
I didn't realize just how crazy it was until I saw people selling "gold weapon" codes for upwards of 20 bucks. Are you people that goddamn insecure? Holy shit.
You ungrateful jerks, why should I spend ten bucks to figure it out for you guys when I can wait until a slightly cheaper bundle is available? Go buy it yourselves and find out! Cheap jerks.
P.S. Jerks.
[quote name='vherub']this unique news is... well, I don't know what to think. Is Nintendo shooting an arrow across the bow of used gaming?
[/QUOTE]
Iwata has expressed in the past that he doesn't like the idea of gamers waiting for a game's price to drop. He followed this up with "thus we should try to sell them cheaper from the get go," but everyone latched onto the first sentence and waved it around like a trophy of the damned.
Point being is that I'm sure if we asked him about it further, he wouldn't be hot on used game sales, much like most developers aren't. Let's face it - it's lost sales to the developers, and there's no two ways about it. Combined with things like ramped up piracy due to faster net connections and so on, I'm guessing more and more bean counters at various devhouses are shitting themselves and screaming about how they need to stem the blood flow.
And since we're now entering into a more digital age where things can be monitored/remotely activated in a turn-key fashion (unmonitored, user-driven experiences for various products), I'm thinking we'll see more of this thing down the line. EA is already doing it, as are some others, ranging from DLC on disks already to in-game weapons to various extraneous (but useful) features in games, etc.
I didn't realize just how crazy it was until I saw people selling "gold weapon" codes for upwards of 20 bucks. Are you people that goddamn insecure? Holy shit.
just posted in the main AC thread...
i picked up my copy at walmart this afternoon. they did not have any bundles or separate wii speaks. i asked about it and they had no idea what i was talking about.
that said... just how limited are the bundles gonna be?
i picked up my copy at walmart this afternoon. they did not have any bundles or separate wii speaks. i asked about it and they had no idea what i was talking about.
that said... just how limited are the bundles gonna be?
[quote name='yukine']Do we know anything about the channel yet?
Perhaps the Wii Speak can't be enabled/configured without the channel. There has to be some kind of restriction there, otherwise I would think we could use a USB microphone/headset? I don't know how these things work.[/QUOTE]
The Wii Speak Channel is not necessary, as far as I know. I think I read it is being delayed, but that you can still use the voice chat in game. I know what Nintendo's thick skulled history is. But I can't imagine that they would break down and give something like this to us and then not further support it or at the very least let other devs have the info to support it. Do you really think no one is interested in putting this to use? And why is it bad that it's not a headset? It follows the mentality of the Wii from the get go. It is a social device, not anti-social. With a head set, not everyone participates in what's going on. You become a bit alienated from those around you. It is the antithesis of the direction Nintendo has moved in the past few years.
Anyway, I think this will work great for AC and I think it will be getting future support as well. I know I don't want to go to the effort of moving my laptop in the living room and setting up a program to do voice chat with friends just to avoid an easy plug and play Nintendo peripheral. And I doubt anyone else I would play with would go to those lengths either. It is much easier to get this device and plug it in and be done with it. I guess I'm just still really confused why people are being such haters.
My problem isn't Wii Speak. My problem is that I played the heck out of the GCN version of AC, bought the DS version at release and have played a few minutes and never got excited about it. I really want to want this game, but I fear the same thing might be in store...
Perhaps the Wii Speak can't be enabled/configured without the channel. There has to be some kind of restriction there, otherwise I would think we could use a USB microphone/headset? I don't know how these things work.[/QUOTE]
The Wii Speak Channel is not necessary, as far as I know. I think I read it is being delayed, but that you can still use the voice chat in game. I know what Nintendo's thick skulled history is. But I can't imagine that they would break down and give something like this to us and then not further support it or at the very least let other devs have the info to support it. Do you really think no one is interested in putting this to use? And why is it bad that it's not a headset? It follows the mentality of the Wii from the get go. It is a social device, not anti-social. With a head set, not everyone participates in what's going on. You become a bit alienated from those around you. It is the antithesis of the direction Nintendo has moved in the past few years.
Anyway, I think this will work great for AC and I think it will be getting future support as well. I know I don't want to go to the effort of moving my laptop in the living room and setting up a program to do voice chat with friends just to avoid an easy plug and play Nintendo peripheral. And I doubt anyone else I would play with would go to those lengths either. It is much easier to get this device and plug it in and be done with it. I guess I'm just still really confused why people are being such haters.
My problem isn't Wii Speak. My problem is that I played the heck out of the GCN version of AC, bought the DS version at release and have played a few minutes and never got excited about it. I really want to want this game, but I fear the same thing might be in store...
[quote name='MorPhiend']
Anyway, I think this will work great for AC and I think it will be getting future support as well. I know I don't want to go to the effort of moving my laptop in the living room and setting up a program to do voice chat with friends just to avoid an easy plug and play Nintendo peripheral. And I doubt anyone else I would play with would go to those lengths either. It is much easier to get this device and plug it in and be done with it. I guess I'm just still really confused why people are being such haters.
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I think one of the reasons for hate is that when you look back to the N64 and Gamecube, add-on devices weren't very well supported by anyone other than Nintendo. How many 3rd party games needed the N64 Expansion Pak? How many 3rd party games used the GBA-GCN connection? Hell, how many Nintendo games used them? The Wii is more popular than those two systems, so Wii Speak may be more popular.
Another reason for the hate is that the mic/channel is tied into one console. A troubling trend to say the least. I wouldn't support it for that fact alone. If it bombs, hopefully Nintendo won't attempt to try something like this again.
Anyway, I think this will work great for AC and I think it will be getting future support as well. I know I don't want to go to the effort of moving my laptop in the living room and setting up a program to do voice chat with friends just to avoid an easy plug and play Nintendo peripheral. And I doubt anyone else I would play with would go to those lengths either. It is much easier to get this device and plug it in and be done with it. I guess I'm just still really confused why people are being such haters.
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I think one of the reasons for hate is that when you look back to the N64 and Gamecube, add-on devices weren't very well supported by anyone other than Nintendo. How many 3rd party games needed the N64 Expansion Pak? How many 3rd party games used the GBA-GCN connection? Hell, how many Nintendo games used them? The Wii is more popular than those two systems, so Wii Speak may be more popular.
Another reason for the hate is that the mic/channel is tied into one console. A troubling trend to say the least. I wouldn't support it for that fact alone. If it bombs, hopefully Nintendo won't attempt to try something like this again.
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[quote name='mogamer']I think one of the reasons for hate is that when you look back to the N64 and Gamecube, add-on devices weren't very well supported by anyone other than Nintendo. How many 3rd party games needed the N64 Expansion Pak? How many 3rd party games used the GBA-GCN connection? Hell, how many Nintendo games used them? The Wii is more popular than those two systems, so Wii Speak may be more popular.[/QUOTE]
This. I'm not much of a social gamer to begin with, but I'm also concerned about how well-supported the WiiSpeak will be, especially by third party titles. I would've been willing to give it a try for just $10 extra, but at any price, I don't know how much use I'd really get out of it.
This. I'm not much of a social gamer to begin with, but I'm also concerned about how well-supported the WiiSpeak will be, especially by third party titles. I would've been willing to give it a try for just $10 extra, but at any price, I don't know how much use I'd really get out of it.
[quote name='MorPhiend']The Wii Speak Channel is not necessary, as far as I know. I think I read it is being delayed, but that you can still use the voice chat in game. I know what Nintendo's thick skulled history is. But I can't imagine that they would break down and give something like this to us and then not further support it or at the very least let other devs have the info to support it. Do you really think no one is interested in putting this to use? And why is it bad that it's not a headset? It follows the mentality of the Wii from the get go. It is a social device, not anti-social. With a head set, not everyone participates in what's going on. You become a bit alienated from those around you. It is the antithesis of the direction Nintendo has moved in the past few years.
Anyway, I think this will work great for AC and I think it will be getting future support as well. I know I don't want to go to the effort of moving my laptop in the living room and setting up a program to do voice chat with friends just to avoid an easy plug and play Nintendo peripheral. And I doubt anyone else I would play with would go to those lengths either. It is much easier to get this device and plug it in and be done with it. I guess I'm just still really confused why people are being such haters.
My problem isn't Wii Speak. My problem is that I played the heck out of the GCN version of AC, bought the DS version at release and have played a few minutes and never got excited about it. I really want to want this game, but I fear the same thing might be in store...[/quote]
Whoa, you're putting a lot of words into my mouth. I didn't say any of that, I'm just pondering whether or not we can use headsets/mics that we already own without having to plunk down $20.00 on Wii Speak.
Sometimes a headset is more practical to some of us, I have my doubts that the Wii Speak's super Nintendo noise cancellation technology will work considering it will sit right above the television and I live in Arizona and have my fan on high all the time. If you guys don't mind a shit ton of static then cool, I'll use it.
Anyway, I think this will work great for AC and I think it will be getting future support as well. I know I don't want to go to the effort of moving my laptop in the living room and setting up a program to do voice chat with friends just to avoid an easy plug and play Nintendo peripheral. And I doubt anyone else I would play with would go to those lengths either. It is much easier to get this device and plug it in and be done with it. I guess I'm just still really confused why people are being such haters.
My problem isn't Wii Speak. My problem is that I played the heck out of the GCN version of AC, bought the DS version at release and have played a few minutes and never got excited about it. I really want to want this game, but I fear the same thing might be in store...[/quote]
Whoa, you're putting a lot of words into my mouth. I didn't say any of that, I'm just pondering whether or not we can use headsets/mics that we already own without having to plunk down $20.00 on Wii Speak.
Sometimes a headset is more practical to some of us, I have my doubts that the Wii Speak's super Nintendo noise cancellation technology will work considering it will sit right above the television and I live in Arizona and have my fan on high all the time. If you guys don't mind a shit ton of static then cool, I'll use it.
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[quote name='MorPhiend']And why is it bad that it's not a headset? It follows the mentality of the Wii from the get go. It is a social device, not anti-social. With a head set, not everyone participates in what's going on. You become a bit alienated from those around you. It is the antithesis of the direction Nintendo has moved in the past few years.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this completely.
Here's a crazy idea. I'm trying to look at this from Nintendo's sorta crazy point of view. I know we're all cheapasses and $20-30 is too much for a microphone to begin with and that we'd love o be able to at least pick it up for $10 used in the future. However, I wonder if what we're seeing as Nintendo effectively "killing" the used market for this device is actually their attempt to ensure a stronger user base? Every unit that's sold to GS or whatever is another user "offline".
The whole argument falls apart of course because Wii Speak can still be used within AC without requiring a special one-use code. Therefore, the device is still viable on the used market and is probably where I'll be picking it up in the future. I'm just surprised that they're not offering this channel free like PSN does (and that has video too!) Of course, I only have two friends with PS3 and about 20 with Wiis. Un heard of in these parts, I realize.
I agree with this completely.
Here's a crazy idea. I'm trying to look at this from Nintendo's sorta crazy point of view. I know we're all cheapasses and $20-30 is too much for a microphone to begin with and that we'd love o be able to at least pick it up for $10 used in the future. However, I wonder if what we're seeing as Nintendo effectively "killing" the used market for this device is actually their attempt to ensure a stronger user base? Every unit that's sold to GS or whatever is another user "offline".
The whole argument falls apart of course because Wii Speak can still be used within AC without requiring a special one-use code. Therefore, the device is still viable on the used market and is probably where I'll be picking it up in the future. I'm just surprised that they're not offering this channel free like PSN does (and that has video too!) Of course, I only have two friends with PS3 and about 20 with Wiis. Un heard of in these parts, I realize.
I hear enough prepubescent kids on the 360 thank you very much. 
No I want the bundle, I just have to make a decision on whether or not I want to keep Valkyria Chronicles or go for a super rehashed Animal Crossing. I just love this series so much that I think I might do it.
And come on, it's weak if we can't use existing mics or headsets. If this was Sony we would be talking all kinds of shit.
No I want the bundle, I just have to make a decision on whether or not I want to keep Valkyria Chronicles or go for a super rehashed Animal Crossing. I just love this series so much that I think I might do it.
And come on, it's weak if we can't use existing mics or headsets. If this was Sony we would be talking all kinds of shit.
I've been thinking about the Wiispeak and how everyone is complaining about it. The main complaint outside of the price has been "well Nintendo will use it two more times and abandon it, and no third parties are going to use it." And everyone cites things like the GBA-GC connection, e-Reader, Zapper, etc.
And for some reason this didn't make a lot of sense to me.
And I thought about it and I came to a conclusion. Whether or not anyone agrees with that conclusion is up in the air, but I felt I needed to clarify.
WiiSpeak really doesn't belong in all the other categories and lumped together with other peripherals for at least two reasons. The first is that WS is made to answer a challenge from MS/Sony, instead of being issued out from Nintendo itself. In other words, GC-GBA connectivity was something only Nintendo could do at the time (PSP doesn't count for this argument), and thus only Nintendo really had impetus to support it. Third parties COULD, but there was little reason for them to, not to mention that they had every reason to implement online multiplayer in their own games (an example is Splinter Cell). WS is different in that it's trying to get Nintendo play catch-up with the features offered by competitors instead of pointing out something "we can do that no one else can."
Secondly, WS is meant to enhance the online experience. While I have reservations on how well Nintendo is doing this, there is a feeling that they are slowly coming around to the idea of gamers wanting to do multiplayer. This stretches across games and more into the interface/mechanics of the system itself. The Balance Board only works for certain games - it's not meant to be part of every game.
I think WS represents a small consolation on Nintendo's part to try and come to terms with what the modern gamer wants and what modern gaming entails. Remember that they are entirely stubborn and always look at things from a Japanese point of view first and foremost, and as such, probably still aren't quite sold on online gaming even now.
Again, this is not meant to give WS a free pass - I'm merely pointing out it's a little more unique versus other add-ons.
Rant over.
And for some reason this didn't make a lot of sense to me.
And I thought about it and I came to a conclusion. Whether or not anyone agrees with that conclusion is up in the air, but I felt I needed to clarify.
WiiSpeak really doesn't belong in all the other categories and lumped together with other peripherals for at least two reasons. The first is that WS is made to answer a challenge from MS/Sony, instead of being issued out from Nintendo itself. In other words, GC-GBA connectivity was something only Nintendo could do at the time (PSP doesn't count for this argument), and thus only Nintendo really had impetus to support it. Third parties COULD, but there was little reason for them to, not to mention that they had every reason to implement online multiplayer in their own games (an example is Splinter Cell). WS is different in that it's trying to get Nintendo play catch-up with the features offered by competitors instead of pointing out something "we can do that no one else can."
Secondly, WS is meant to enhance the online experience. While I have reservations on how well Nintendo is doing this, there is a feeling that they are slowly coming around to the idea of gamers wanting to do multiplayer. This stretches across games and more into the interface/mechanics of the system itself. The Balance Board only works for certain games - it's not meant to be part of every game.
I think WS represents a small consolation on Nintendo's part to try and come to terms with what the modern gamer wants and what modern gaming entails. Remember that they are entirely stubborn and always look at things from a Japanese point of view first and foremost, and as such, probably still aren't quite sold on online gaming even now.
Again, this is not meant to give WS a free pass - I'm merely pointing out it's a little more unique versus other add-ons.
Rant over.
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i've come across this article.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/11/12/wii-speak-channel-only-for-wii-speak-purchasers/
according to this MTV article, wii speak will come with a code that opens up the wii speak channel. and without this code, your wii speak is useless. so watch out if you're buying it used.
the article doesn't say that this is a one time code. but i've read a few other articles that link the MTV article as the original one. and many of them state that this is in fact a one time code. it's possible that people are just making that assumption, but i'm not sure. the article did mention that the code "cannot be replaced by Nintendo or your retailer if it is lost or stolen." i can't see why nintendo would do this, if it really only worked on the first wii. if the code only works on the one system, why wouldn't they just give you the code?
i suspect that this is more like pc games that require a code. and if you buy the game used, you'll have to have faith that the seller will include the code. but i could be way wrong.
edit -
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/no-access-to-wii-speak-channel-without-peripheral
from this article, gamesindustry.biz says that nintendo has confirmed that it's a one time code.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/11/12/wii-speak-channel-only-for-wii-speak-purchasers/
according to this MTV article, wii speak will come with a code that opens up the wii speak channel. and without this code, your wii speak is useless. so watch out if you're buying it used.
the article doesn't say that this is a one time code. but i've read a few other articles that link the MTV article as the original one. and many of them state that this is in fact a one time code. it's possible that people are just making that assumption, but i'm not sure. the article did mention that the code "cannot be replaced by Nintendo or your retailer if it is lost or stolen." i can't see why nintendo would do this, if it really only worked on the first wii. if the code only works on the one system, why wouldn't they just give you the code?
i suspect that this is more like pc games that require a code. and if you buy the game used, you'll have to have faith that the seller will include the code. but i could be way wrong.
edit -
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/no-access-to-wii-speak-channel-without-peripheral
from this article, gamesindustry.biz says that nintendo has confirmed that it's a one time code.
[quote name='buttle'] and without this code, your wii speak is useless. [/QUOTE]
There are currently two AC threads right now, and it's difficult to tell them apart, but this has been discussed a bit.
The code DOES NOT enable the hardware. It's for downloading a "Wii Chat" channel. You can still buy it used and it will work fine during any game, but you won't be getting this chat channel.
And as I've said, I can't believe people are making a big deal about it - NO ONE just uses the chat channel on the 360, and if you ever needed to, we'd go into a game of Uno and sit in the lobby. It's like Mitch Hedberg's joke about escalators becoming stairs. Escalators don't go out of order - they just temporarily become stairs, and we apologize for the convenience. Need to desperately voice chat with someone? Start a game. Start up Skype. Call them on their cell phone. Quit acting like you need to be babysat by Nintendo, which you readily complain about being angry about anyway. Nintendo suddenly HAS to provide you with voice chat? On a system you haven't had it on for two years?
Give me a break. This is such an idiotic argument that's going on right now. People are such reactionary bastards these days. I'm not saying this at you, buttle, but if you go over to digg, there's a huge page full of
yous in every form and fashion. And basically all of them are just reading the title - "Wii Speak can't be bought used" - instead of actually, you know, RTFA.
READ, PEOPLE. GROW UP AND LEARN THINGS LIKE ADULTS. Criminy. On the one hand everyone swears it's already a wasted peripheral and how they won't buy it, and then on the other they go into a rampage about it not getting a cheesy channel no one cares about. For's sake, make up your damn minds.
I think people just like being drama queens and complaining as loudly as they can possibly muster in hopes that they will get some shred of empathy that - clearly - is completely devoid in their lives.
There are currently two AC threads right now, and it's difficult to tell them apart, but this has been discussed a bit.
The code DOES NOT enable the hardware. It's for downloading a "Wii Chat" channel. You can still buy it used and it will work fine during any game, but you won't be getting this chat channel.
And as I've said, I can't believe people are making a big deal about it - NO ONE just uses the chat channel on the 360, and if you ever needed to, we'd go into a game of Uno and sit in the lobby. It's like Mitch Hedberg's joke about escalators becoming stairs. Escalators don't go out of order - they just temporarily become stairs, and we apologize for the convenience. Need to desperately voice chat with someone? Start a game. Start up Skype. Call them on their cell phone. Quit acting like you need to be babysat by Nintendo, which you readily complain about being angry about anyway. Nintendo suddenly HAS to provide you with voice chat? On a system you haven't had it on for two years?
Give me a break. This is such an idiotic argument that's going on right now. People are such reactionary bastards these days. I'm not saying this at you, buttle, but if you go over to digg, there's a huge page full of
yous in every form and fashion. And basically all of them are just reading the title - "Wii Speak can't be bought used" - instead of actually, you know, RTFA.READ, PEOPLE. GROW UP AND LEARN THINGS LIKE ADULTS. Criminy. On the one hand everyone swears it's already a wasted peripheral and how they won't buy it, and then on the other they go into a rampage about it not getting a cheesy channel no one cares about. For
's sake, make up your damn minds.I think people just like being drama queens and complaining as loudly as they can possibly muster in hopes that they will get some shred of empathy that - clearly - is completely devoid in their lives.
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[quote name='Strell']There are currently two AC threads right now, and it's difficult to tell them apart, but this has been discussed a bit.
The code DOES NOT enable the hardware. It's for downloading a "Wii Chat" channel. You can still buy it used and it will work fine during any game, but you won't be getting this chat channel.
And as I've said, I can't believe people are making a big deal about it - NO ONE just uses the chat channel on the 360, and if you ever needed to, we'd go into a game of Uno and sit in the lobby. It's like Mitch Hedberg's joke about escalators becoming stairs. Escalators don't go out of order - they just temporarily become stairs, and we apologize for the convenience. Need to desperately voice chat with someone? Start a game. Start up Skype. Call them on their cell phone. Quit acting like you need to be babysat by Nintendo, which you readily complain about being angry about anyway. Nintendo suddenly HAS to provide you with voice chat? On a system you haven't had it on for two years?
Give me a break. This is such an idiotic argument that's going on right now. People are such reactionary bastards these days. I'm not saying this at you, buttle, but if you go over to digg, there's a huge page full of yous in every form and fashion. And basically all of them are just reading the title - "Wii Speak can't be bought used" - instead of actually, you know, RTFA.
READ, PEOPLE. GROW UP AND LEARN THINGS LIKE ADULTS. Criminy. On the one hand everyone swears it's already a wasted peripheral and how they won't buy it, and then on the other they go into a rampage about it not getting a cheesy channel no one cares about. For's sake, make up your damn minds.
I think people just like being drama queens and complaining as loudly as they can possibly muster in hopes that they will get some shred of empathy that - clearly - is completely devoid in their lives.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the info. i did find this on digg. i think diggs two biggest flaws are the people, and the misleading titles. but i've come across enough interesting stuff on digg to keep me coming back. but you definitely have to read the articles to get the real information. and even then, you can still get into trouble.
but if all that is is the chat room, that's great news. i'd certainly like to pick this thing up for less then 30 dollars. and i hope i'll be able to have the option to pick it up used.
The code DOES NOT enable the hardware. It's for downloading a "Wii Chat" channel. You can still buy it used and it will work fine during any game, but you won't be getting this chat channel.
And as I've said, I can't believe people are making a big deal about it - NO ONE just uses the chat channel on the 360, and if you ever needed to, we'd go into a game of Uno and sit in the lobby. It's like Mitch Hedberg's joke about escalators becoming stairs. Escalators don't go out of order - they just temporarily become stairs, and we apologize for the convenience. Need to desperately voice chat with someone? Start a game. Start up Skype. Call them on their cell phone. Quit acting like you need to be babysat by Nintendo, which you readily complain about being angry about anyway. Nintendo suddenly HAS to provide you with voice chat? On a system you haven't had it on for two years?
Give me a break. This is such an idiotic argument that's going on right now. People are such reactionary bastards these days. I'm not saying this at you, buttle, but if you go over to digg, there's a huge page full of
yous in every form and fashion. And basically all of them are just reading the title - "Wii Speak can't be bought used" - instead of actually, you know, RTFA.READ, PEOPLE. GROW UP AND LEARN THINGS LIKE ADULTS. Criminy. On the one hand everyone swears it's already a wasted peripheral and how they won't buy it, and then on the other they go into a rampage about it not getting a cheesy channel no one cares about. For
's sake, make up your damn minds.I think people just like being drama queens and complaining as loudly as they can possibly muster in hopes that they will get some shred of empathy that - clearly - is completely devoid in their lives.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the info. i did find this on digg. i think diggs two biggest flaws are the people, and the misleading titles. but i've come across enough interesting stuff on digg to keep me coming back. but you definitely have to read the articles to get the real information. and even then, you can still get into trouble.
but if all that is is the chat room, that's great news. i'd certainly like to pick this thing up for less then 30 dollars. and i hope i'll be able to have the option to pick it up used.
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The local Gamestop manager tried to tell me this morning that the bundle did not exist. I told him that Amazon had it on their website, and he told me that Gamestop did not get any. What the hell kind of completely botched release is this??? Why did NinYENdo wait so long to let retailers know there was going to be a bundle? It seems like nobody was prepared for this damn thing.
[quote name='n8rockerasu']The local Gamestop manager tried to tell me this morning that the bundle did not exist. I told him that Amazon had it on their website, and he told me that Gamestop did not get any. What the hell kind of completely botched release is this??? Why did NinYENdo wait so long to let retailers know there was going to be a bundle? It seems like nobody was prepared for this damn thing.[/quote]
lol i bought my bundle at GS- and they had a floor display covered in boxes talking about the game. He's dumb.
lol i bought my bundle at GS- and they had a floor display covered in boxes talking about the game. He's dumb.
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