Will the YANKEES make the PLAYOFFS?

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Yes or no? I'm thinking no but they always do but their pitching sucks my ass these days so really I don't know. So if I had to guess I'd say either yes or no.
 
Yankees suck seems to be the popular answer here. It's mine too. They've got Boston to try and beat, which I don't see happening, and Oakland/Anaheim (They're not fucking in LA) ahead of them for the Wild Card, plus Cleveland is right behind them. The two west coast teams have been solid all year, I don't see any reason for that to change in the home stretch.
 
yankees definately will not make the playoffs. aside from rivera they have really had a lot of problems with their pitching and I cannot see them overcoming this.


I think the AL is going to stand pat and the only team that is going to be a suprise in the NL is the Cubs. Nomar has been on fire since his return (although I hope his back injury did not hurt him too bad) and their bullpen has looked great with Wood in it.
 
The Yankees will not make the playoffs this year. Their old, they lack good pitching, they lose to the Devil Rays, and they suck. As a proud member of Red Sox nation, I am happy sad to see the Yankees won't be in the playoffs this year because I do love to see Boston beat the crap outta them wicked bad. Go Tessie!
 
Oakland hasn't been solid all year, they were horrible at the begining...I like Clevand for the wildcard...they have a great bullpen, and a solid batting lineup...I am a red sox fan, and hope the yanks don't make it, but looking at their team, they look like the sox in the late 90's and early 2k...all offense...they have gotten decent starts from chacon and small, but that won't last...imo Oakland wild ride is over...the twins have 1 great starter, a great closer, ok bullpen but NO offensive talent
 
Even though I'm not a Yankees fan I really hope they make it. There nothing better than watching the Yankees/Sox in the playoffs.
 
As a diehard Sox fan I really hope the Yankees win the wild card. They scare me more than any other team in the AL but that's what is so great about it. Nothing gets the blood going like a good Sox/Yankees playoff series, nothing. The world series is nothing compared to it.
 
I hope Cleveland's the one that beats them, but that may just be a little bit of a bias. I think in all honesty if they had a consistent offense, that Cleveland's a lock for the Wild Card.
 
I love the Redsox as well, but IMO it would be best to have beaten the yankee's last year in the greatest collapse in pro sports history, and then have them not make the playoffs this season with a 200++million payroll.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']I hope Cleveland's the one that beats them, but that may just be a little bit of a bias. I think in all honesty if they had a consistent offense, that Cleveland's a lock for the Wild Card.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they had a slow start, so I'm glad they're getting back in contention to possibly grab the wildcard. I'd love to see Cleveland take the wildcard and get back in the playoffs after their rebuilding phase.

I hate the Yankees with a passion, and I hate that they had to drag Randy Johnson down with them as well.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']fuck Randy Johnson and fuck the NY yankee players, management and their fans[/QUOTE]

Lemme guess.... Sox fan? hahaha enjoy your 1 WS win in the last 86 years. The Sox would have to win every WS from now until about 2030 to be considered in the same league as the Yankees historically speaking. I mean, even the Marlins have won 2 in the last 8 years....
 
[quote name='javeryh']Lemme guess.... Sox fan? hahaha enjoy your 1 WS win in the last 86 years. The Sox would have to win every WS from now until about 2030 to be considered in the same league as the Yankees historically speaking. I mean, even the Marlins have won 2 in the last 8 years....[/QUOTE]
with our current farm system, we should be competitive untill 2010
 
[quote name='javeryh']Yes or no? I'm thinking no but they always do but their pitching sucks my ass these days so really I don't know. So if I had to guess I'd say either yes or no.[/QUOTE]

Uhh, as of right now, their starting pitching is as good as its been in years.

(well, if fucking small was pitching in place of leiter)

[quote name='Genocidal']The two west coast teams have been solid all year[/QUOTE]

You expect to be taken seriously after that?




Up until recently I was saying the Yankees had no chance...then I looked at their remaining schedule and unless TB and KC keep owning them, there's no way the Yankees won't pass Oakland. And the starting pitching for once is quality, we just need someone in the fucking bullpen.

Not that it really matters, noone in the AL East will advance beyond the ALCS.
 
[quote name='Rich']Uhh, as of right now, their starting pitching is as good as its been in years.

(well, if fucking small was pitching in place of leiter)[/QUOTE]

I don't know about you but I'd rather have Clemens, Pettitte, Johnson, Moose, and probably Lieber or El Duque as #5 right now than whatever the hell they've been throwing out there lately...
 
[quote name='javeryh']I don't know about you but I'd rather have Clemens, Pettitte, Johnson, Moose, and probably Lieber or El Duque as #5 right now than whatever the hell they've been throwing out there lately...[/QUOTE]

Uh, we haven't had Clemens and Pettite in two years.

I'm satisfied, though, with Mussina - Johnson - Wright - Chacon - Small

And next year we have quality starters in Wang and Pavano.
 
The Detroit Tigers will take on the Universe... and reign victorious.
 
If the Jays had Doc Halladay back, they could make a run. Not with the pitching they have now though, it's clearly second-rate.
 
Pavano hahaha...on a championshop team he is no better then a #4 pitcher...he was about 10 games over .500 last year, and he was a game under .500 pitcher...I was so happy he didn't sign with the sox...wang is a rookie, and may become a bust, but he looks like a solid # 3...mussina is a #2 and has been for awhile, and he isn't even a solid #2 anymore...will johnson still be alive next year?
 
[quote name='Rich']Uh, we haven't had Clemens and Pettite in two years.

I'm satisfied, though, with Mussina - Johnson - Wright - Chacon - Small

And next year we have quality starters in Wang and Pavano.[/QUOTE]

Mussina is incredibly shitty in the playoffs

Johnson is no where near the dominant pitcher that he was and aside from 2001 he is shitty in the playoffs

Wright had one good season, kind of like Carl Pavano. Both are grossly over paid

the rest of the staff I have not seen, so I will not comment other than they probably are not going to be part of the playoff rotation.
 
the redsox will have schilling, clement, wakefield, arroyo, and supposedly aj burnett will be signing ONLY with the sox, according to him. We also have 6 studs in the minors that throw in the high 90's with several pitchers, as well as 2 crafty lefties like wang...
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Mussina is incredibly shitty in the playoffs

Johnson is no where near the dominant pitcher that he was and aside from 2001 he is shitty in the playoffs

Wright had one good season, kind of like Carl Pavano. Both are grossly over paid

the rest of the staff I have not seen, so I will not comment other than they probably are not going to be part of the playoff rotation.[/QUOTE]
wang was/is a rookie on the DL...he wasn't even considered much of a prospect and was called up as a stop gap to fill the void due to all the injuries...he pitched well, he kept them in most, not all, but most games...chacon is another lefty that saved 30 or so games in like 2000..but he blew a ton of games as well...he is about 3 - 17 since then..
 
should add aj burnett and/or one of the young pitching prospects to that rotation...clement has done well with run support, and a good pitch calling catcher...wakefield is an above .500 pitcher...arroyo has had his ups and downs, but he did win about 14 or so straight games, he has been off ever since his suspension in may...schilling may or may not be what he was last year, but he should give us more then the older and more injury proned johnson
 
The Yankees will make it, probably as the wild card. The last 2 days they lost games they should have won thanks to some horrible relief pitching. If they would have won those they'd be ahead of Oakland(they're only 1 1/2 games back). All of their starters are going to be healthy soon, they just have too much talent to miss the playoffs.
 
gotta say this much i bet the yankees are wishing they would have signed pedro instead of randy johnson because he sure is having a way better year than him.
also i dont think they willl make it but honestly i can care less i use to be a yankees fan then i realized they are not a team i should look up to they have no loyalty to any of their players and trade and play with them like baseball cards.current point look at bernie they wont sign him for yr for a mere 15 mil which is pocket change.
 
I like what ryanbph is saying. The Red Sox definitely have an underrated farm system and Paplebon, Hansen, Lester, and Alvarez could be a #3 starter on the Yankees right now. The Red Sox also have Youkilis and Hanley Ramirez full time next year so all they need to do in the off season is sign Burnett, a decent closer/set-up man, re-sign Damon, and sign Bernie Williams (the only class act on the Yankees has been playing for the wrong team, I don't care if he's washed up) as a back-up outfielder. I like Millar , Mueller, Bellhorn, and Shoppach, however if they leave nothing can be done. Just keep Gabe Kapler (the mayor of Boston).
 
[quote name='chubs189']gotta say this much i bet the yankees are wishing they would have signed pedro instead of randy johnson because he sure is having a way better year than him.
also i dont think they willl make it but honestly i can care less i use to be a yankees fan then i realized they are not a team i should look up to they have no loyalty to any of their players and trade and play with them like baseball cards.current point look at bernie they wont sign him for yr for a mere 15 mil which is pocket change.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

You know nothing.

Bernie Williams is one of my favorite players in all of sports, ever, and I still wouldn't give him 15mil next year. They might resign him, but no extension.

I'd you can rely on randy johnson in the playoffs; he's battle proven.

And onikage: the yankees should've won the middle game of the series if not for the umpires being blind. Tino was obviously safe in the 3rd, and was called out proving to be the run the Yankees needed to win.
 
[quote name='Rich']:lol:

You know nothing.

Bernie Williams is one of my favorite players in all of sports, ever, and I still wouldn't give him 15mil next year. They might resign him, but no extension.

I'd you can rely on randy johnson in the playoffs; he's battle proven.

And onikage: the yankees should've won the middle game of the series if not for the umpires being blind. Tino was obviously safe in the 3rd, and was called out proving to be the run the Yankees needed to win.[/QUOTE]
a yankee fan should never ever bitch about umpires and their calls, after what happend in the 97 or so playoffs vs the orioles. The fuck ing kid giving the yankee's the win.

pedro is pitching great this year because he is out of the AL east...he had a below .500 or near .500 record vs every team in the al east this year...they knew how he pitched, and he didn't change things up...it was best for him to move to the weaker hitting NL anyways...besides in the next two years his arm will fall apart and the signing will be thought of as a waste of money.

hansen is a closer, and will most likely be pitching in the majors next week. He throws 97 or so and can throw a hard slider inside to lefties and righties. he was untouchable in the cape cod league the past 2 years, I got to see him 2x, and looks great. ...unless hanley ramirez is playing center (IF we loose damon) I wouldn't expect him next year, as he is young and not ready...dustin pudrioa will be the starting 2b for the sox next year...if we let mueller go (old, constant knee problems, and supposedly he doesn't like playing in boston) youkillis will be at third, if mueller stays, youkillis will probably be at first next year...The globes or heralds sox beat writter, sean mcadams, said that a deal with the mets for ramirez is all but done...and expect him to be moved for either floyd or cameron, and prospects...with dunn, the hard hitting OF for the reds in arbitration looking at 10 - 12 million, and with their surplus of OF, I would expect the sox to trade for dunn with the prospects they get from the mets....the sox starting lineup from the begining of this season, to the start of next season might have a 66% turnover...
 
[quote name='ryanbph']should add aj burnett and/or one of the young pitching prospects to that rotation...clement has done well with run support, and a good pitch calling catcher...wakefield is an above .500 pitcher...arroyo has had his ups and downs, but he did win about 14 or so straight games, he has been off ever since his suspension in may...schilling may or may not be what he was last year, but he should give us more then the older and more injury proned johnson[/QUOTE]

Wakefield: 12-9, 4.07 ERA, and when he gets rocked, he gets rocked so badly that the offense soemtimes can't make up for it.

Clement: A product of amazing run support. 11-3 with an ERA closer to fucking 5. Also walks a bunch.

Schilling: LOL. He'll never be at 100% health again, and he has already sold his soul to the devil for the ALCS. He's not Kerry Wood; he sucks out of the bullpen, and he's nowhere near where he needs to be to pitch 6-7 innings. I hope the Yankees have him try to close one out in NY in the ALCS.

Wells: :lol: Do I have to explain this one? 4.70 ERA and another product of lucky run support, though not to the same extent that Clement is; Wells is only running a 9-6 records and has given up 161 hits in 134 innings. Only thing with Wells is you know his control is there; the man is a freak of nature and averages like 1 walk per 9.

Arroyo: 10-7 with a 4.28, and that makes him sound even better than he is. He's got a career losing record, but at least he's one guy you can rely on in the playoffs.




Yankees--

Mike Mussina: 11-7 with an ERA @ 4.00, less than every Sox starter. He's been getting little run support this year in the close games. Reliable in all situations, and he's amazing in the field. He has a shitty bullpen behind him and, like last game, they blow it often. He gave up 3 in 7.1 and the bullpen gave up 2 to net Mussina a ND.

Randy Johnson: 11-7 with a 4.22, very unjohnsonlike. We all know what he can do, and if his back his healthy and his fastball is on, you have no shot. You can reliable on him in the playoffs; he'll pitch like Schiling did last year if he had to.

Jaret Wright: Only time will tell. I'd rather have Wang or Pavano, but that's not an option. Unfortunately his control is absolutely horrendous, but his first start was agains the free-swinging D-Rays, which made his stuff look better than it is. If he can get it under control, he's got potential.

Chacon: 2-8 with a 3.59 ERA (!!!!) He spent most of the year in Colorodo where his ERA was ~4.00, which is about the equivalent of a 3 anywhere else in the league. He's been spot on the with Yankees, much like he was with the Rockies, but he's now getting run support. He was a great pickup.

Leiter/Small: Leiter sucks. Joe Torre is a fucking moron and easily the worst manager in baseball. It's inexcuseable to have "I wish I had control, but instead I average 15 minute innings" Leiter in there instead of Small. Small has been great in all his starts, and Leiter can work out of the bullpen. I make no excuses for having that poor excuse for a Starter as the #5.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']a yankee fan should never ever bitch about umpires and their calls, after what happend in the 97 or so playoffs vs the orioles. The fuck ing kid giving the yankee's the win.

pedro is pitching great this year because he is out of the AL east...he had a below .500 or near .500 record vs every team in the al east this year...they knew how he pitched, and he didn't change things up...it was best for him to move to the weaker hitting NL anyways...besides in the next two years his arm will fall apart and the signing will be thought of as a waste of money.
[/QUOTE]

I have every right to bitch. Baseball needs instant replay, and it was 96 that the kid caught the ball.

The Mets have one of, if not THE best 1-5 starting rotation in baseball. Pedro is good for a few more years; there's really not point trying to take knocks at them.
 
how can you count on johnson to be good, but not expect the same from schilling....clement has gotten great run support, but his era has balloned up since the incident where he got tagged in the head and the ball flew out to the OF...for chacon/leiter...and era goes up at least a run a game coming to the AL from the NL...clemans isn't pitching any better then he did as a yankee when he had 4 ++ era...the NL can't hit period....small and chacon come mid sept will start to get crushed, as teams get good scouting reports on them...

the sox are about 4 games up, we haven't had our ace or are closer...and even though i don't like foulke and his mediocre fastball, between 2000 and the 04 season his stats were on par with rivera and sometimes better....how would the yanks be without randy johnson and rivera all season....

Finally, a ny fan who agree's that torre sux as a manager...I used to like the yanks when i was growing up, but my best friend in college was a die hard fan...he was talking about how great they will be in 93, before they went on their tear...he talked about them so much, i have grown to hate them...i have been telling him for years that torre is mediocre at best, as he had a great team in st louis, but they never won anything....I feel the same way about francona...they are great at keeping the clubhouse smooth, but horrible at in game decisions...the only reason the yanks won in the past, and the sox last year was due to the talent and payrolls of the teams
 
[quote name='Rich']The Mets have one of, if not THE best 1-5 starting rotation in baseball.[/QUOTE]

And it makes me MENTAL that they are over .500 and in last place
 
not taking knocks at him, but look at his stats vs the al east in 03 and 04...he was about a .500 pitcher, that is not a dominat pitcher worth the money he wanted...I always thought it was best for him to move to the nl, before he signed with the mets... look what it has done to clemans...its not a knock, but every team in the al east, knew how pedro pitched, and he didn't chage his approach...also the 4 years at the money he is getting, with his arm...no way he is still pitching great in the NL east in the 4th year of that contract...he is a small guy that throws hard, physically he won't be able to continue to do that....if he was back in the AL east with any team, he would be like wakefields numbers this season
 
the best rotation is the A's...and while i think they are greatly overachieving, the whitesox have got to be up top as well
 
[quote name='ryanbph']how can you count on johnson to be good, but not expect the same from schilling....clement has gotten great run support, but his era has balloned up since the incident where he got tagged in the head and the ball flew out to the OF...for chacon/leiter...and era goes up at least a run a game coming to the AL from the NL...clemans isn't pitching any better then he did as a yankee when he had 4 ++ era...the NL can't hit period....small and chacon come mid sept will start to get crushed, as teams get good scouting reports on them...

the sox are about 4 games up, we haven't had our ace or are closer...and even though i don't like foulke and his mediocre fastball, between 2000 and the 04 season his stats were on par with rivera and sometimes better....how would the yanks be without randy johnson and rivera all season....

Finally, a ny fan who agree's that torre sux as a manager...I used to like the yanks when i was growing up, but my best friend in college was a die hard fan...he was talking about how great they will be in 93, before they went on their tear...he talked about them so much, i have grown to hate them...i have been telling him for years that torre is mediocre at best, as he had a great team in st louis, but they never won anything....I feel the same way about francona...they are great at keeping the clubhouse smooth, but horrible at in game decisions...the only reason the yanks won in the past, and the sox last year was due to the talent and payrolls of the teams[/QUOTE]

Because Johnson has shown glimmers of hope this year, and has pitched several amazing games. Schilling has sucked in the bullpen and has been injured. Since coming back, Schiling has something like 6 decision; which is horrible for a closer. Johnson, at least has shown us that he can deliver, especially on extra rest.

You can blame Clement getting hit in the head for his ERA; it happened, and you have to live with it. Saying he got hit in the head won't get him out of a playoff loss.


The NL can't hit? The offensive stats are about even on the year. Normally I'd agree with you, since the NL has a worthless 8-9 spot, but they are tanking the ball this year. Besides, your point is moot because Chacon's ERA has actually dropped since leaving the NL, and he had a miniscule ERA to begin considering his location.

Foulke his shit. His career is done. Don't even bother bringing him up, because it's a non-issue.

As for Torre; you have to realize one thing: most NYY fans know nothing about the sport, or their judgement is too clouded to realize anything. They don't think twice when Torre leaves Wayne Franklin, the man who's only job is to get out lefties, in to face a team's best rightie (after walking 2 lefties, mind you) to give up a 3 run homerun. The man isn't meant to face righties, you worthless sack of shit manager.

Every single game I watch I cringe at Torre's idiocy. (and the Yankees commentators) The man does not know how to manage. Coach, perhaps, but not manage.

Perhaps it's just that I'm a MLB fan in general, but I don't see how supposed NYY fans can overlook some of this.

...and I leave for Boston tomorrow morning at 12:00 from Penn. :D
 
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