Xbox 360 Pro 60GB @ GameStop $349.99 (pre-order: 08/01/08)

[quote name='atomsk']what a load of crap. 50 bucks for an extra 40 gb is stupid.[/quote]

$50 bucks is worth it for the space, plus the possible reliability of of the new chipsets that would hopefully remedy the RROD.

But if you still want to buy the now inferior 20GB model, that's still a good deal.
 
[quote name='atomsk']what a load of crap. 50 bucks for an extra 40 gb is stupid.[/quote]More like pay $50 less for 40GB less, which are getting phased out anyway.
 
[quote name='sokmaster']$50 bucks is worth it for the space, plus the possible reliability of of the new chipsets that would hopefully remedy the RROD.

But if you still want to buy the now inferior 20GB model, that's still a good deal.[/QUOTE]

Likely there is no correlation between HD size and chipset. If you recall when the Elite 120GB first came out the first batch had the 90nm Xenon chipset. It was not for a couple of months that Falcon was available. And, every 20GB made in 2008 has Falcon.

From what I've heard, Jasper comes out in August. So the first couple of months of 60GB will probably be Falcon.

Finally, Falcon has proven reliable. There is no reason to not buy one...
 
For all we know, there will be something else included in addition to the 60GB. IPTV, maybe. I'd recommend against buying a system until tomorrow's press conference.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Likely there is no correlation between HD size and chipset. If you recall when the Elite 120GB first came out the first batch had the 90nm Xenon chipset. It was not for a couple of months that Falcon was available. And, every 20GB made in 2008 has Falcon.

From what I've heard, Jasper comes out in August. So the first couple of months of 60GB will probably be Falcon.

Finally, Falcon has proven reliable. There is no reason to not buy one...[/quote]

For the most part that statement is right. I purchased an Elite that manufactured in early 08, and it randomly Red Rings every now and then. If I shut it down and boot it up again, it plays fine. It's never permanently hung or RROD'ed when I was playing, so for now I'm content with it. Also, after dumping everything that came with it it essentially came out to $200, which I can live with.
 
[quote name='pete5883']:rofl:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173132[/QUOTE]


Duh, there will be defects no matter what. RROD will *never* be eliminated. Note this CAG thread you linked died in February 2008, four days after it was created.

Should we go around saying PS3 is also unreliable because many people posted on the PS3 forum that they have had their PS3s break (when not shouted down by the SDF)?
http://boardsus.playstation.com/pla...read.id=2749209&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

Further, who is to say the new Jasper revision will be any better than Falcon? Jasper is a cost-cutting measure and nothing more. We are not talking nuclear fission here, the original 360 (Xenon/90nm CPU/90nm GPU) did not have sufficient cooling on a GPU that put out so much heat resulting in warped mobos, the Falcon (65nm CPU/80nm GPU) does have enough cooling and hence defect rate is normal. As long as the heat is moved away from the chip fast enough there should be no issues aside from normal defects - which the Jasper won't be immune to either.
 
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[quote name='mm07']Is this one HDMI? Which model has HDMI? If mine ever breaks again, I'm re-upping to an HDMI model.
-Mike[/QUOTE]

All 360 models manufactured in 2008 thus far have HDMI & Falcon chipset (65nm CPU, 80nm GPU, quieter, MUCH better cooling)
 
Hmm wondering whether to get this or the 20 GB. This will definitely be worth it if it is the new chipsets or something extra rather than just the 40 gigs.
 
[quote name='warlock7']Hmm wondering whether to get this or the 20 GB. This will definitely be worth it if it is the new chipsets or something extra rather than just the 40 gigs.[/QUOTE]

Don't count on the new chipset, as in the past with 360 HD size has never matched up to chipset change. I'm sure sometime in August-September we will see a trickling out of new chipsets, but it will probably be slow and inconsistent just like when Falcon rolled out.

But otherwise 20gb vs. 60gb is a fairly simple decision based on one thing:
How much content do you download?

First, if you download a lot of those 800pt expansion packs from Marketplace, they can take up quite a bit of room. If you generally just buy games from retail stores and arcade and generally don't download too much extra crap for them, the 20GB will be fine. Most XBOX Live Arcade titles are 40mb-50mb in size, though there are a couple of 100-150mb ones. Big expansion packs like the ones for oblivion can take up to 5GB, while smaller ones for titles like Rainbow Six are only 500mb-2GB. Consider that the 20GB drive has 6gb reserved for cache usage (14gb usable), and you can see if you are downloading a lot of these extras the 20GB will be cramped. But if you are the typical gamer who doesn't do a lot of online downloading the 20GB is okay; myself, I would need the 60GB.

Second, you should consider whether you plan to use the XBOX Live Video Marketplace - will you be downloading movies & TV shows to watch on your XBOX? If so, I'd spring for the 60GB as feature-length 720p movies are 4-7GB in size each.
 
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[quote name='sokmaster']$50 bucks is worth it for the reliability of the new chipsets that would hopefully remedy the RROD.[/quote]

You really think so? MS has an awesome record.
 
[quote name='squeeky']You really think so? MS has an awesome record.[/QUOTE]

My point is that Falcon has pretty much proved itself as a reliable platform. Yes, there is still RROD but there will always be RROD, there will always be a number of consoles that are defective due to manufacturing issues. Hell I had a $3500 preamp/processor where the radio broke because they used made some inferior cold solder joint that cracked. No electronics are immune to defects.

Now, while Jasper may be even more reliable than Falcon, it may also be less reliable too. We've had people running Falcon for some time and reliability seems quite good. There is no guarantee Jasper won't have some monumental screwup in the design, thus if you really want to see how reliable Jasper is you will be waiting well into next year... Jasper's purpose is to reduce cost, and nothing more. The 65nm GPU will be cheaper to produce and require a less expensive cooling solution (the 80nm Falcon GPUs have a heatpipe design now on the GPU which solved the heat issue Xenon had, likely that will be axed again when the 65nm Jasper comes out).
 
Yeah and don't forget you can always go another $50 for a even larger storage of the elite.

I think this sucks, as a MS fan, because it looked like the 360 would be $300 but now It's back to $350 once the lower hard drive models run out of stock, not to mention at CC and Target you could get even bigger gift cards to sweeten the deal.

I have a original Pro console and my space still isn't full despite tons of custom soundtracks. I see little need for more space, rather they should have just done a outright price drop.

I would suggest taking advantage of the leftover stock of the $300 models before they run out. As Ruined said the RROD is much lower rate, and if your that worried about a RROD you shouldn't buy a 360 anyways, as they back you up with a 3 year warranty.
 
I think it's a bit late for them to start the price cuts on the 20gb SKUs, seeing that the newer models will be available in less than a month. But 60gb is a good chunk of space, I guess they'll be offering 60gb HDD for sale, so current 360 owners could upgrade their HDD. Probably will be half the price of the 120gb, which is fair. It's too bad you have to buy only M$' HDD to upgrade though.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Jasper's purpose is to reduce cost, and nothing more.[/QUOTE]

:roll: True, but we all know that smaller GPU = less heat = one less thing to go wrong.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Yeah and don't forget you can always go another $50 for a even larger storage of the elite.

I think this sucks, as a MS fan, because it looked like the 360 would be $300 but now It's back to $350 once the lower hard drive models run out of stock, not to mention at CC and Target you could get even bigger gift cards to sweeten the deal.
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May as well get the 20gb from Amazon (if they've dropped it to $299 yet.) You're basically buying the gift card with tax.
 
I think arguing over RROD at this point is pointless (yes, my 2nd 360 RROD a month ago and I'm on my third). But 2 things come to mind with this new SKU. 1) Microsoft needs to borrow Apple's marketing firm. Another E3 and another microsoft leak while nintendo and sony have kept their goodies under wraps. 2) Wifi, I have my 360 wired so it really doesn't affect me, but come on every current gen console (PS3, Wii, PSP, and DS) has wifi. MS, how about a 40GB and wifi SKU for $350.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I'll wait for the Holiday bundle...[/quote]
I've been through 3 360s, but I still love the system. I hate the overpriced extras though.

I've got seven unplayed games sitting here, but I'm going to wait for a holiday bundle too. :drool:
 
I think that I'll wait and see if any deals come out when they release standalone 60gb drives, then pick one up. My 20gb is getting awfully full with 3 Xbox Originals and all the DLC and Arcade games that I have.
 
[quote name='Halo05']I "upgraded" to a DS and can no longer play regular Gameboy games. Nintendo should send me a Gameboy Color.[/quote]

I "upgraded" to a wife, can someone send me a girlfriend?
 
What are the chances these new ones will be any quieter than the current elites? If not, I might just go for an elite, but I'd really like a quieter 360 (currently have an early pro model) with an HDMI port.
 
[quote name='Nathan_Sama']I feel cheated.
I payed that much for a 20GB :C
MS need to give those 60GB HDDs to all pro 20GB owners >:/[/quote]

I know right. I went out and bought a 2001 Mustang for the price of the new what they are selling the new ones for now, but i bought it in 2001. I think they should just give me stuff too.

This isn't like the iPhone issue where they dropped the price 3 months after they released the damn thing. That was ridiculous.

Now if you bought the 360 recently go return it and wait it out.
 
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I'm curious to see what markings will be on the 60GB 360's box. Any evidence of the new Jasper chipset or not.

I want to buy a 360, but I'm still on the fence on whether I should buy the reduced $300 20GB set, or wait til August for the 60GB set.

If they end up having the same innards and the only difference is the HDD, I'm definitely getting the 20GB. I just hope all the 20GB's aren't sold out by then. :p
 
[quote name='MoltenMan']I'm curious to see what markings will be on the 60GB 360's box. Any evidence of the new Jasper chipset or not.

I want to buy a 360, but I'm still on the fence on whether I should buy the reduced $300 20GB set, or wait til August for the 60GB set.

If they end up having the same innards and the only difference is the HDD, I'm definitely getting the 20GB. I just hope all the 20GB's aren't sold out by then. :p[/QUOTE]

I'm telling you man, its very unlikely that hard drive will correspond to chipset based on history of the xbox 360. If you want a 20GB model you should buy one. There will be Jaspers coming out but since Falcon has proven reliable the best you'd get is quieter cooling fans, which isn't really a big deal since the DVD drive makes the most noise.
 
Jesus. Ruined... man... you are seriously making a solid case for the 20 GB. I've got more than enough credit to afford either one, but one more post from you and I may just spend it on the 20 GB tomorrow. >_>

The only qualms I'd have is with the hard drive as I would probably download a lot, but even so I definitely would love to avoid the mountain sized launch related errors that are sure to follow the 60 unless it has something worthwhile. Decisions, decisions...
 
I'll more than likely just buy the $300 20GB set. The extra $50 I would of spent BEFORE the drop, I'll probably just use on an extended store warranty.
 
[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']Jesus. Ruined... man... you are seriously making a solid case for the 20 GB. I've got more than enough credit to afford either one, but one more post from you and I may just spend it on the 20 GB tomorrow. >_>

The only qualms I'd have is with the hard drive as I would probably download a lot, but even so I definitely would love to avoid the mountain sized launch related errors that are sure to follow the 60 unless it has something worthwhile. Decisions, decisions...[/QUOTE]

Keep in mind if you are downloading a lot that only 14GB of the 20GB is usable. 6GB is reserved for cache (3 most recently played games @ 2GB each)
 
I wonder if the 60GB will end up actually being $300 before long? Maybe MS is just stating a price of $350 so that the 20GB won't sit on shelves while people wait for a better deal.

Didn't Sony do something similar when the 60GB was was dropped to $499 (claim this was just a clearance & the new 80GB system would be $599 but never really went through with it.)
 
[quote name='Ruined']Likely there is no correlation between HD size and chipset. If you recall when the Elite 120GB first came out the first batch had the 90nm Xenon chipset. It was not for a couple of months that Falcon was available. And, every 20GB made in 2008 has Falcon.

From what I've heard, Jasper comes out in August. So the first couple of months of 60GB will probably be Falcon.

Finally, Falcon has proven reliable. There is no reason to not buy one...[/quote]
August isnt in a couple months, it's in a couple weeks.

Jasper has already been being manufactured for 2 months according to 8bitjoystick. the 60GB is probably it.
 
[quote name='Johnny Postman']I wonder if the 60GB will end up actually being $300 before long? Maybe MS is just stating a price of $350 so that the 20GB won't sit on shelves while people wait for a better deal.

Didn't Sony do something similar when the 60GB was was dropped to $499 (claim this was just a clearance & the new 80GB system would be $599 but never really went through with it.)[/quote]
I wouldn't bet on another $50 price drop before next March or April when they're in their last fiscal quarter.
 
[quote name='Ruined']I'm telling you man, its very unlikely that hard drive will correspond to chipset based on history of the xbox 360. If you want a 20GB model you should buy one. There will be Jaspers coming out but since Falcon has proven reliable the best you'd get is quieter cooling fans, which isn't really a big deal since the DVD drive makes the most noise.[/quote]
This is true w/ both the Elite & Pro so far. & the Elite did lag behind the pro for 3-4 months before adopting falcon too. so it is possible the first 60GB will be falcon; but falcon should arrive sooner rather than later in this case since they've been in production for a bit.

The thing that's confusing is the early estimates were Aug for Jasper. But,.. they were revised for Sept a little while back. So I can't tell if the early estimates were more accurate or if, like you suggest, the 60GBs will be Falcon too for a month or 2.
http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archive...probably_shipping_first_week_of_september.php
 
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