Xbox Banning Discussion

I personally didn't get any of these games, but I have friends that did and some were banned and others don't. But I heard that the reason of this ban wave is not because they got the game for free, but because they gave accounts to other players to also download to game. One of my friends was banned even after doing the license transfer process... really weird

FlawlessImage said:
youre losing the right to redl your games if your console breaks.
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This is why I didn't join the digital games campaign in the first place. I understand that they can ban the account, console, etc from people who did something wrong, but loosing something that the player already paid for (which makes him the owner)? really? who is stealing who here?

 
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collecionador said:
I personally didn't get any of these games, but I have friends that did and some were banned and others don't. But I heard that the reason of this ban wave is not because they got the game for free, but because they gave accounts to other players to also download to game. One of my friends was banned even after doing the license transfer process... really weird

This is why I didn't join the digital games campaign in the first place. I understand that they can ban the account, console, etc from people who did something wrong, but loosing something that the player already paid for (which makes him the owner)? really? who is stealing who here?
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Wrong, according to this.

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/2366/t/1589405.aspx

 
blablah2382 said:
Wrong, according to this.

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/2366/t/1589405.aspx
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Well, bad for them, I believe that most of the people who are getting banned are going to move to Sony on the next gen. When I think that MS is starting to fix their mistake, they make a new one, ingenious! I'm not here to defend any side, but they are banning people because their mistake (ok, everyone knew that this price wasn't right, but it still their mistake in the first place), and what about those players who hack their consoles? are they that right to not be banned?

 
Aren't console hackers banned sooner or later? I'm guessing it probably wouldn't be happening if it wasn't a bunch of people doing it.

 
largon said:
ps this is why i wouldnt want a digital only console XD
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Banned or not I 100% agree with this. Instead of MS saying "OK we screwed up, the accounts that got this free content will have said content removed and the achievements for that game removed from the gamerscore of those who played it"

No instead they say "Look you all wanted to get free games, so you took advantage of a flaw in our system that we did not find...yeah that sucks of you...so you're banned because in the end you don't own anything you bought digitally anyway"

It just seems like a big extreme to me where there was an easy remedy to this without pissing off some rather loyal customers. Now if they were sharing their profile so many people could get free games then that's another thing, but I just feel this is a bit too far overall.

 
I can't believe people are still trying to justify this. It's a ban for stealing. It's not a glitch like some of the other games were, it's exploiting a "bug" in their system. 

Everyone downloaded games from countries where a marketplace shouldn't even exist. You had to literally go through different steps to make the game show up first before you could download it. 

Do people really think that a red flag didn't show up for Microsoft when all of a sudden there's hundreds or thousands of Omani/Bosnian accounts showing up on their system even though a marketplace doesn't exist there. 

Anyways, do I think a ban is justified? Yes. Should it have been a perma-ban for consoles/main accounts? For me, no because it would mean a lot of customers will most likely switch over to the PS4, but you knew what you were getting into I guess. 

Oh well, live and learn I suppose. 

 
Well im already playing my ps3.  But in the end I see it as I'll play all the free games

 offline (about 300 bucks of free games) and I'll wait for the holidays to get an arcade xbox for 99 bucks. Who wins now Microsoft.

 
Masters_93 said:
I can't believe people are still trying to justify this. It's a ban for stealing. It's not a glitch like some of the other games were, it's exploiting a "bug" in their system.

Everyone downloaded games from countries where a marketplace shouldn't even exist. You had to literally go through different steps to make the game show up first before you could download it.

Do people really think that a red flag didn't show up for Microsoft when all of a sudden there's hundreds or thousands of Omani/Bosnian accounts showing up on their system even though a marketplace doesn't exist there.

Anyways, do I think a ban is justified? Yes. Should it have been a perma-ban for consoles/main accounts? For me, no because it would mean a lot of customers will most likely switch over to the PS4, but you knew what you were getting into I guess.

Oh well, live and learn I suppose.
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Shut the fuck up . If you go to any store chain and they have something priced wrong you'll usually get it for that price. Its because your the consumer and its good policy. We pay Microsoft for a service. You grab a item wrong priced at any store that's there fault they don't call the cops and have you escorted to jail. many websites show legal "extreme couponing". Loopholes

 
Can't check my main account currently and just posted the console in for repair, none of my Chinese, Bosnian, Omani, Moroccan and Costa Rican account has been banned. Maybe they didn't even notice me, the banhammer seem to be over... for now.

 
Masters_93 said:
It's a ban for stealing.
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You, and several other people, keep calling it stealing. I think your arguement would be greatly aided by actually defining "stealing." I am not being pedantic. Some people call boosting cheating, many other people do not. It comes down to what your definition of cheating is. In this discussion, it comes down to what your definition of stealing is. If you are defining it in some way that other people are not, those people may take ubrage with usage of the term because they believe you are working with the same deifition they use when it is inaplicable.

This is not a meaningless conversation. Depending on what your definition for stealing is, your definition could include any content that appears on your home region that contains a pricing error, whether or not you are aware of such error.

So when you say "stealing", what definition do you believe that word holds?

 
eldergias said:
You, and several other people, keep calling it stealing. I think your arguement would be greatly aided by actually defining "stealing." I am not being pedantic. Some people call boosting cheating, many other people do not. It comes down to what your definition of cheating is. In this discussion, it comes down to what your definition of stealing is. If you are defining it in some way that other people are not, those people may take ubrage with usage of the term because they believe you are working with the same deifition they use when it is inaplicable.

This is not a meaningless conversation. Depending on what your definition for stealing is, your definition could include any content that appears on your home region that contains a pricing error, whether or not you are aware of such error.

So when you say "stealing", what definition do you believe that word holds?
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Not only that, but this was never stealing legally. Legal theft requires property to be taken, as such you cannot steal digital goods. You can however pirate digital goods. And that was not done here, because it was obtained directly from MS, all be it through a backdoor/loophole. Basically all this is, is breaking a ToS and MS is choosing to ban those who they feel are worthy of it. There is no legal action MS can take with this, they can simply ban accounts/consoles and move on.

 
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someone told me this: many of the banned were using the old non-jtag method (2 controllers), for some reason are active again after the last update, is this true?

 
Fixerman said:
someone told me this: many of the banned were using the old non-jtag method (2 controllers), for some reason are active again after the last update, is this true?
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Don't see how another controller would make any difference to changing your region to get a free game.

 
Masters_93 said:
I can't believe people are still trying to justify this. It's a ban for stealing. It's not a glitch like some of the other games were, it's exploiting a "bug" in their system.

Everyone downloaded games from countries where a marketplace shouldn't even exist. You had to literally go through different steps to make the game show up first before you could download it.

Do people really think that a red flag didn't show up for Microsoft when all of a sudden there's hundreds or thousands of Omani/Bosnian accounts showing up on their system even though a marketplace doesn't exist there.

Anyways, do I think a ban is justified? Yes. Should it have been a perma-ban for consoles/main accounts? For me, no because it would mean a lot of customers will most likely switch over to the PS4, but you knew what you were getting into I guess.

Oh well, live and learn I suppose.
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Anytime there is a glitch on a website or a price error, people should be banned for life from that store, right?

 
Fixerman said:
someone told me this: many of the banned were using the old non-jtag method (2 controllers), for some reason are active again after the last update, is this true?
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I have a feeling that banned people are those who used the Austrian method to acquire some of the free games, I remember some games where not free in any region, like Arcania Gothic 4 for example, but due to the Austrian method, you can download them. correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't do it, and I appear to escaped the banhammer.

 
Zizi said:
I have a feeling that banned people are those who used the Austrian method to acquire some of the free games, I remember some games where not free in any region, like Arcania Gothic 4 for example, but due to the Austrian method, you can download them. correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't do it, and I appear to escaped the banhammer.
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I'm not sure if that's correct. As I did download every "free" game that was mentioned. I've also played them all on my main while online, so they are indeed in my game history... However, I haven't been banned yet either. Really crossing my fingers on the fact that I don't. I'm pretty sure this isn't the end of bans yet.

 
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Anyone banned using an "Andorra" account or what not? Not a Oman/Bonsnia account but Andorra. (Think its a french speaking country/region?) 

I just logged into my Oman/Andorra accounts under xbox.com and they are not banned. Andorra account shows Rayman under history. Wish I could nuke that shit lol.

 
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RiceQuakes said:
Anytime there is a glitch on a website or a price error, people should be banned for life from that store, right?
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That's a horrible analogy and you know it.

It's not just a glitch, it's circumventing their systems to get games that were not free to begin with. In other words, it's stealing.

Have fun walking into a store, and saying this candy bar is for free because you found it on another shelf and see what they say.

Like I said, I think a perma-ban is too harsh, but it is against their ToS, something everyone agreed to when they made their account/joined Xbox Live.

 
sublimetool said:
I'm not sure if that's correct. As I did download every "free" game that was mentioned. I've also played them all on my main while online, so they are indeed in my game history... However, I haven't been banned yet either. Really crossing my fingers on the fact that I don't. I'm pretty sure this isn't the end of bans yet.
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The reason I assume so is because you need change you console region to Austria and then find the game you wanted to download, log into the Omani account and download them for free even when there is a price. That seemed to be really broke the TOS. Did you do that?

 
sublimetool said:
I'm not sure if that's correct. As I did download every "free" game that was mentioned. I've also played them all on my main while online, so they are indeed in my game history... However, I haven't been banned yet either. Really crossing my fingers on the fact that I don't. I'm pretty sure this isn't the end of bans yet.
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playing russian roulette every time you turn on the console, this will be a long week... month... year...

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Only accounts I had banned were the Bosnia and the Secondary Morocco accounts that i made that i didn't region transfer the other two my original Morocco and Oman accounts which I did transfer to US aren't banned and neither is my main but I'm checking all the time now.
 
Masters_93 said:
That's a horrible analogy and you know it.

It's not just a glitch, it's circumventing their systems to get games that were not free to begin with. In other words, it's stealing.

Have fun walking into a store, and saying this candy bar is for free because you found it on another shelf and see what they say.

Like I said, I think a perma-ban is too harsh, but it is against their ToS, something everyone agreed to when they made their account/joined Xbox Live.
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when i clicked that button it said free i didnt manipulate it to get it say free.

 
Wait so xbox is just randomly banning consoles?  or accounts?  what games downloaded from where have had stuff going bad? the free xbox gold games?

 
Masters_93 said:
That's a horrible analogy and you know it.

It's not just a glitch, it's circumventing their systems to get games that were not free to begin with. In other words, it's stealing.

Have fun walking into a store, and saying this candy bar is for free because you found it on another shelf and see what they say.

Like I said, I think a perma-ban is too harsh, but it is against their ToS, something everyone agreed to when they made their account/joined Xbox Live.
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That's a horrible analogy and you know it. Pirating is the equate to stealing from a retail store. How about using coupons that aren't supposed to stack? That's circumventing too. I'm sure you have never done that because you are perfect. Those who downloaded from the marketplace did not use any illegal means of getting the said games. It IS a glitch when it shows the fracking game for free even on Xbox.com. Only shaky part is the fact people made accounts for places they did not reside in; but that's been going on for years (demos from Japan, etc).

Why do you even care? We get it. There have already been countless posts about how evil the people are who downloaded the games.

 
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What if you delete your cache and marketplace data from the console? It can do nothing when you go online?

At least the temporary files doesn't exist anymore.

Also MS is able to unban consoles.

*don't quote plz

 
Saix_XIII said:
Not only that, but this was never stealing legally. Legal theft requires property to be taken, as such you cannot steal digital goods. You can however pirate digital goods. And that was not done here, because it was obtained directly from MS, all be it through a backdoor/loophole. Basically all this is, is breaking a ToS and MS is choosing to ban those who they feel are worthy of it. There is no legal action MS can take with this, they can simply ban accounts/consoles and move on.
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So if you found the blueprints to a store and you were able to bypass the showroom and go directly to the stock room and none of the merchandise was stickered with price tags you could just take whatever you wanted?

Edit: and lol @ the battered wive syndrome that runs rampant in this thread. How you guys could cry one minute and then "gonna get another hd/console" the next is beyond me.

 
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the problem with all these analogies is they involve physical things im sorry but i dont equate digital to physical and i dont care who disagrees with me.

 
Zizi said:
The reason I assume so is because you need change you console region to Austria and then find the game you wanted to download, log into the Omani account and download them for free even when there is a price. That seemed to be really broke the TOS. Did you do that?
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Yeah, unfortunately I did...

 
FlawlessImage said:
well lets have some analogies about how MS is stealing digital content from users whos accounts have been banned.
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Three letters

T O S

you know.. that big wall of text you skipped over? Read it next time. They don't pay lawyers money to draft that up for fun.

I'm not saying this does suck; but it shouldn't come as a surprise.

Not sure why people who would engage in this type of activity would also keep their accounts flush with MSP. That makes no sense whatsoever.

 
GBAstar said:
Three letters

T O S

you know.. that big wall of text you skipped over? Read it next time. They don't pay lawyers money to draft that up for fun.

I'm not saying this does suck; but it shouldn't come as a surprise.

Not sure why people who would engage in this type of activity would also keep their accounts flush with MSP. That makes no sense whatsoever.
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well thats exactly why i dont equate digital and physical,if i buy the physical disc they cant come in my home and snatch it from me and these are the same people pushing for a digital future. so in the future a company can take all my purchases away from me at the drop of a hat.

and honestly ive watched people here do this since early summer with no repercussions and it was posted everywhere from here to slickdeals so i thought it was safe *shrug*

i thought slickdeals is a legit deal site though why would they post something like this in the first place smh.

 
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GBAstar said:
So if you found the blueprints to a store and you were able to bypass the showroom and go directly to the stock room and none of the merchandise was stickered with price tags you could just take whatever you wanted?

Edit: and lol @ the battered wive syndrome that runs rampant in this thread. How you guys could cry one minute and then "gonna get another hd/console" the next is beyond me.
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Um no...because that is breaking in and stealing...it's physical goods that you are obtaining without approval of the rightful owner...Those who "bought" the free games still bought them through MS systems, there is no other way to obtain them unless you pirate them. This is akin to going into a store, finding an item for $0, waiting in line, going to the register, and then paying $0 and walking out of the store. Again this is a loophole, no one is denying that, the issue is MS is not owning up to it also being their mistake.

 
^ You have every reason to be upset; and it's a dick move by MS---but they are within their rights. I have had a 360 for along time and besides the occasional exclusive I really only use it for HBO GO. And despite not being a big MS supporter I know they are very strict when it comes to enforcing their T&C and once a decision is made it is nearly impossible to get it overturned.

Knowing that should have been enough to keep people from engaging in this type of behavior but let me preface that by saying I'm not trying to take the morale highground; I just simply didn't partake because I could care less about gaming on my 360 as I don't find it an enjoyable gaming console... period.

 
Saix_XIII said:
Um no...because that is breaking in and stealing...it's physical goods that you are obtaining without approval of the rightful owner...Those who "bought" the free games still bought them through MS systems, there is no other way to obtain them unless you pirate them. This is akin to going into a store, finding an item for $0, waiting in line, going to the register, and then paying $0 and walking out of the store. Again this is a loophole, no one is denying that, the issue is MS is not owning up to it also being their mistake.
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You all essentially "broke" in the the stores of those particular MS regions. I mean you don't live there right?

You know they originally wanted an always on always digital console and although the one isn't going to shape up to be that they are still going to be really strict about the "region" aspect of that (or has that changed too)?

Either way this isn't the PS3, which Sony has never tried to region lock, and has made it very easy to create accounts across other regions. You didn't just boot your 360 up and find yourself in some far away land MS store. You put yourself there on your own accord.

Well some of the accountability falls with MS they absolutely do NOT need to own up to any of it; It's their house.

 
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people need to figure out when they downloaded the games and out of that who got banned and who didn't.

even though the original thread about the free games is gone so that makes it a bit more difficult.

 
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