Xbox Live Gold Price Increase 11/1 - Subscription Deals Inside

[quote name='ncc1701p']first off im not going to read the previous 18 pages.

Why the worry? I've always scored these 1year live cards via CAG through buy.com, ebay daily deals, amazon,etc... @ $30 each. I've never paid more than $30 for my 1year subscriptions.

I stocked up on these cards (usually limit 3). So just wait for the next Black Friday sale, dailydeal,etc.. Then score them at whatever the potential new marketprice is. Why the big outcry?
We are cheap-ass gamers after all right?[/QUOTE]

Winner.
 
It's sad we pay $60 for Peer to Peer gaming with noobs still on lousy dsl lines with no new features and lots of ADS.


The only deal is either newegg.com or walmart for $40.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']
Your experience is far from mine... maybe it is because I don't play competitive Call of Duty or Halo online. Every other game I have played (check my gamer tag) I have never had an issue with what you describe. For example: In Battlefield, the unit with mics always clean up on units without mics due to being able to call out targets.[/QUOTE]

Well I didn't even search for this, I saw it on N4g.com today.
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/31235

[quote name='lordopus99']CAG has an app for that (sorry about being cheezy) called "Official Microsoft Point Cards & Xbox Live Subscription Sales Thread".
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248984

Again, still don't understand why the discussion was moved into the deals forum..[/QUOTE]

Like Thrinn said, getting more discussion in this thread gets more people to notice it and makes CAG more money. Cheapy ain't dumb.

[quote name='Salmonday']Has anyone at M$ given an "official" explanation for the price hike? Without one, we're left to fall back on the general group consensus that this is to offset the costs of adding Netflix, Twitter, Last.FM, ESPN, and Kinect. I was discussing Monday's kerfuffle with my wife and she said,

"So they're making you shell out a 20% rate hike annually to pay for extended services for everyone that you and lots of others don't want, need, use, or maybe even have access to? You know if the government did the same sort of thing like by tacking on another ten cents per gallon of gas tax to build a Vikings stadium or even fix some fucking bridges before another one falls down and attributed it to inflation, you'd have Glenn Beck type people at their chalkboards whipping the tea party into a frothing frenzy and chanting SOCIALISM. But since it's a megacorporation, the reaction is probably 'that's capitalism -- yeeha! God bless America!'"

Maybe not 100% analogous, but I thought it was funny and worth sharing.[/QUOTE]

Stay married, you got a keeper. Smart lady.

[quote name='Retom7']You can take it as justifying every increase in fees out there if you want, but I don't know if that's exactly what I was saying. There are certainly price gougers out there that take advantage of times, markets, and individuals, and I don't think it's right. However, I suppose it's justified in that it's a service you are not required to use. The justification isn't required on their part. They don't have to provide you with any additional features or explain in detail WHY they are doing it. They are charging what they feel is the appropriate price for using their services. The US functions in such a way that businesses can set their own prices for goods and services. Competition works in such a way that they generally keep others in check on their prices or product offerings. M$ either feels that the price is necessary, their services are of higher value than the competition, or the desire for their product is higher than the competitions.

I take every product and service I use case by case. I was a smoker. Prices went up to $10 a pack. I am not a smoker now. Cable was 99.99 for the first year I had it. It went to $140 after that. I cancelled all additional services I didn't use or feel I used enough and now the bill is $120. Some increases are justified to me and others are not. I am not under this assumption that every increase has to come with more perks or better service. If you don't like the price, don't pay it. Justification not required.[/QUOTE]

Don't ever complain when another company does it to you then for any service or product in your lifetime. Also, say you bought a 360 and a bunch of games instead of investing in another system and you like to play online... it's very similar to a requirement in that situation.

You are right MS doesn't have to, but that doesn't make it right and they should be more transparent about it. I bet you were mad when the prices went up on those and expressed some frustration. Cigarettes increased in price due to the higher taxes. You knew the cable price would be going up when you first signed up.

Do you defend the cable company for charging you more for the stations you never use? Signs point towards tv becoming an on-demand type marketplace in the future, while the networks will fight to prevent that as much as they can.

I don't think we have to get things when the price increases, but I do think that price increase on something that already had a 65% profit margin with no reason given, while they tout the additional features of Hulu and ESPN (that you can get free elsewhere) in the email announcement is wrong.

Given that the success of such a model will lead to competitors eventually adopting it is the worst thing here. I'm not going to pay for Live anymore and because people let MS take advantage of them I will likely have to pay in the future on other consoles.
 
Dell has 12-month cards for $30 each, free shipping on $49+. You'll have to pay shipping but fatwallet has 5% which should take care of it for most people. I ordered 2 for myself for $64.
 
[quote name='mikespit1']Dell has 12-month cards for $30 each, free shipping on $49+. You'll have to pay shipping but fatwallet has 5% which should take care of it for most people. I ordered 2 for myself for $64.[/QUOTE]

Yep, just snagged 2 myself. It said that it was sold out, but it took the sale and pushed back the ship date to the end of September. I'm fine with that as I doubt we will see better than $30.;)
 
[quote name='bajingo']the difference being they're not MAKING you do anything. its not paying taxes, its video games....[/QUOTE]

No one is making you drive, either. Usage and thus fees/taxes are user dependent there. But in both cases it's hard to own the unit (car/Xbox) and not pay for the mileage (gas/multiplayer).


[My wife just walked by and read this over my shoulder and said "No more MS gas tax! I'ma buy a Sony electric car!". She's funny..."
 
[quote name='Salmonday']No one is making you drive, either. Usage and thus fees/taxes are user dependent there. But in both cases it's hard to own the unit (car/Xbox) and not pay for the mileage (gas/multiplayer).
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Not a great analogy. Driving is much more of a necessity, depending on where you live. Unless you live somewhere with a mass transit system, you pretty much have to either own a car or carpool in order to be successful.
 
Yep, driving is a necessity for pretty much everyone not in a major metro area, or in a city with a crummy public transit system.

Live is definitely not a necessity, as many people only play single player games.

In any case, the price increase stinks, and it's always stank to have to pay for services that are free elsewhere. But that's just the way it is. There's another console out there with many of the same online games that you can play for free if people don't feel Live is worth their money. The endless ranting on forums won't change anything. Vote with your wallet and stop subscribing. Send MS e-mails saying why you're not renewing etc. Still probably won't change a thing, but has more chance then endless forum bitching and moaning.
 
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price gouging is taking advantage of of market conditions to jack up the price on something people need (water, power generators, hot toys for spoiled brats).

This is a $10 increase on a service. It's not good but it's hardly the end of the world either. I agree with retom - this isn't a necessity. If you don't like the increase, vote with your wallets and don't buy it anymore. It's as simple as that. Live Gold was never guaranteed to stay the same price forever.
 
so they are charging more for stuff that is Free on Wii and/or PS3 for Free.

Netflix, Twitter, Facebook all FREE on PS3.

ESPN is gonna be on 360, whoopie I can go on my PS3 Browser and get that stuff.

Last FM. I can go on Internet Radio on my ps3.

Game Room = DUMB.

So now to get ALL THESE FEATURES and PLAY ONLINE ITs $60 a year.
Where I can get all these for FREE on PSN.

And then IF I pay $50 a year for PSN+ I get Free Games each month. Which I have and my $50 that I paid is ALREADY paid for and then some with all the Free Games I downloaded.

This price increase is CRAP and is seriously making me think about selling my Xbox.

Microsoft is REALLY Micro$oft
 
My LIVE expired today... I meant to get the Dell deal when it was going but I have been broke for a while. I plan on staying online via 48 hour trials. I don't even use my xbox much anymore so I can see myself playing for another month or so this way.
 
[quote name='J7.']Well I didn't even search for this, I saw it on N4g.com today.
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/31235
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Congrats for pointing out what I already stated... "Outside Call of Duty and Halo..." Your link shows Call of Duty. Thanks for the obvious.:roll:

[quote name='g3stevo']so they are charging more for stuff that is Free on Wii and/or PS3 for Free.

Netflix, Twitter, Facebook all FREE on PS3.

ESPN is gonna be on 360, whoopie I can go on my PS3 Browser and get that stuff.

Last FM. I can go on Internet Radio on my ps3.

Game Room = DUMB.

So now to get ALL THESE FEATURES and PLAY ONLINE ITs $60 a year.
Where I can get all these for FREE on PSN.

And then IF I pay $50 a year for PSN+ I get Free Games each month. Which I have and my $50 that I paid is ALREADY paid for and then some with all the Free Games I downloaded.

This price increase is CRAP and is seriously making me think about selling my Xbox.

Microsoft is REALLY Micro$oft [/QUOTE]

Awesome for you. Why are you complaining then? You have all your needs on the PS3. Looks like you have been wasting your money all this time.

Again, you guys sound so ridiculous over what is essentially a value meal or two over a YEAR span; in which the majority of you will not pay since there will be some sale (this is CAG). The price hasn't changed for years yet other industries have. Yes, you can claim "necessity" arguement but there are plenty of other industries that are non-necessity that have also gone up i.e. Cable TV, Phone (landline/cell), Shipping, Entertainment Events (Sporting Events, Concerts, etc)....
 
[quote name='lordopus99']The price hasn't changed for years yet other industries have. Yes, you can claim "necessity" arguement but there are plenty of other industries that are non-necessity that have also gone up i.e. Cable TV, Phone (landline/cell), Shipping, Entertainment Events (Sporting Events, Concerts, etc)....[/QUOTE]The problem with all of these examples is that people aren't forced to go through a single company for these services (though I guess you could argue that you don't have much choice with cable TV). Because of those extra choices I actually pay a lot less for some of those listed examples than I use to.

People with an XBox don't have alternatives to Xbox Live.
 
[quote name='Thrinn']The problem with all of these examples is that people aren't forced to go through a single company for these services (though I guess you could argue that you don't have much choice with cable TV). Because of those extra choices I actually pay a lot less for some of those listed examples than I use to.

People with an XBox don't have alternatives to Xbox Live.[/QUOTE]

It still fits. If you don't like your cable prices. Only option is to drop it and change companies and go with Satellite or FiOS etc. And not everyone can get those even and may be stuck with just cable or the few channels they get over the air.

Don't like X-box live? Switch to the PS3 and or PC gaming. Lots of games are multi-platform and on the PS3 as well, most of the other exclusives hit the PC. So there are choices.

Again, this is nothing new. Paying for Xbox Live has always sucked. As an Xbox owner it's just something you deal with if you need the online features, or say fuck it and move on to other platforms.

A $10 increase hasn't really made it suck that much more than it did a $50 a year. Just a little more salt in the wound, but not proportionate with the outrage over it. Though a lot of that seems to be from people that don't have Xbox Live anyway just re-iterating the same old arguments for why it's stupid to pay for the service.
 
Considering I don't want to pay for cable TV (nothing much good on TV when you want to watch it anyways), with Hulu Plus coming to Xbox 360, this is pretty much below or equal to paying for a premium cable service with Netflix and Hulu Plus being "on demand". I personally don't mind paying, as long as it's consistently being updated and upgraded in the process (with price hikes every 5 years not being too-too bad).

Yeah, it sucks, but no matter how much you bitch and gripe about it, it's still going to happen.
 
[quote name='G3 Steve-O']so they are charging more for stuff that is Free on Wii and/or PS3 for Free.
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Did you just compare Xbox Live to the Wii's online features with a straight face? That is extremely silly.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']A $10 increase hasn't really made it suck that much more than it did a $50 a year. Just a little more salt in the wound, but not proportionate with the outrage over it. Though a lot of that seems to be from people that don't have Xbox Live anyway just re-iterating the same old arguments for why it's stupid to pay for the service.[/QUOTE]

For me, it's simply the straw that broke the camel's back. Besides having to pay for Live, there is the problem of massively overpriced accessories. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Sony and Nintendo don't do the same thing. But Microsoft is simply blatantly arrogant in this regard. $180 for a 120GB HDD when it was first released. $100 for a USB network adapter. Using a lot of propriety bullshit, like the charging cables when all of us probably have a dozen USB cables lying around the house. So, it's like all of that, and then, "Hey, we're going to charge you more for something you already think should be free."

[quote name='HydroX']Yeah, it sucks, but no matter how much you bitch and gripe about it, it's still going to happen.[/QUOTE]

1) Even if absolutely no change will come about from it, people should always voice their opinion.

2) Sometimes, change can come from "internet rage." Look at Blizzard's former plan to make message board users display their real name. Yeah, yeah, it was an awful idea, and the outrage simply made them realize how dumb it is. Nonetheless, change can happen.

Not saying that any of us bitching about the $10 on here is going to change anything. Still, if you don't like something, you should speak up.
 
I do not believe that it is good for Microsoft to increase their prices for Xbox Live. Honestly, I am surprised I actually have a online account. I really do not use XBL that much. I believe that you need to see that this is of course greed. Microsoft is not happy at having 95 percent hold on software. However, it is a person's choice to pay for the service. Also being CAGs we usually find cheaper prices than many of the people who play on XBL.

Now, if a person wants to pay $60 dollars to many experience online multiplayer, that is fine with me. I believe I do not have to experience multiplayer in order to enjoy most of my games, which are single player.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']
1) Even if absolutely no change will come about from it, people should always voice their opinion.
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True for sure.

Just more productive to voice those opinions in messages to Major Nelson and other Xbox Live officials rather than just griping in forums the people who have power to change policy probably don't read.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']True for sure.

Just more productive to voice those opinions in messages to Major Nelson and other Xbox Live officials rather than just griping in forums the people who have power to change policy probably don't read.[/QUOTE]

+1.

There's constructive criticism/rage and then there's "Micro$oft sucks and are assholes -- this shit should be free."... which gets you nothing.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Most of the rage comes from PS/Wii fanboys looking to complain.

.83 a month isn't a big deal.[/QUOTE]

Yep. Can't even buy a can of soda with that.
 
Even though they are increasing it to $60 a year, most of us are smart enough to avoid paying MSRP. I got my 1-year subscription earlier this year for $28 off of a Ebay deal of the day. We see plenty of online vendors selling them for $30-35 and the current MSRP is $50. Nothing will really change except the $30-35 discounted ranges may become extinct.
 
[quote name='agentos']Nothing will really change except the $30-35 discounted ranges may become extinct.[/QUOTE]

That's a change, isn't it? A pretty hefty one IMHO.
 
[quote name='VA']Vote with your wallet. Don't go along with this foolishness.[/QUOTE]
The solution to the problem is just take advantage of microsoft's $40 deal. Cheaper than normal so why complain?
 
[quote name='natec12']The solution to the problem is just take advantage of microsoft's $40 deal. Cheaper than normal so why complain?[/QUOTE]

That's still $10 more than I paid last year. I just don't think it's worth it.
 
Why are they charging for things that I or other people DO NOT NEED?

Why not have a tiered service?
$30 just to play online and access the DLC.
And then it goes up from there depending on the things you need all the way up to the premier service at $60 that has EVERYTHING.

That is how it NEEDS to be. ALOT of people just want to play online and get the DLC for their games. Sorry, but I (along with alot of others) dont need the facebook, twitter, and all that stuff.
 
[quote name='G3 Steve-O']Why are they charging for things that I or other people DO NOT NEED?

Why not have a tiered service?
$30 just to play online and access the DLC.
And then it goes up from there depending on the things you need all the way up to the premier service at $60 that has EVERYTHING.

That is how it NEEDS to be. ALOT of people just want to play online and get the DLC for their games. Sorry, but I (along with alot of others) dont need the facebook, twitter, and all that stuff.[/QUOTE]


That's still not perfect. What about the people like me that seldom game online, but want Netfix etc. and would rather pay $30-35 a year for that vs. getting other hardware that does that stuff?

I guess they could have 3 tiers. One just gaming, one just media stuff (both $30 a piece), and one that's both together for $60.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That's still not perfect. What about the people like me that seldom game online, but want Netfix etc. and would rather pay $30-35 a year for that vs. getting other hardware that does that stuff?

I guess they could have 3 tiers. One just gaming, one just media stuff (both $30 a piece), and one that's both together for $60.[/QUOTE]
Making media stuff cost $30 (assuming youre talking about Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, Last.fm, and ESPN) mean you'd basically be paying for everything you can do for free at no extra cost (Netflix and ESPN primarily speaking, even if using the 360 is more convenient). IMHO that would be a pretty big rip-off.
 
[quote name='Master Troll']Making media stuff cost $30 (assuming youre talking about Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, Last.fm, and ESPN) mean you'd basically be paying for everything you can do for free at no extra cost (Netflix and ESPN primarily speaking, even if using the 360 is more convenient). IMHO that would be a pretty big rip-off.[/QUOTE]

I suppose.

But I have no other way to get that stuff on my TV currently (only have a 360, Bluray player doesn't have that stuff built in, TV has no computer inputs/laptop only has RGB out etc) so I'd happily pay $30 a year for the convenience factor.

As is, I've been fine paying $30-35 for that stuff and ability to do a little online gaming here and there. And while I don't like a $10 increase, it's still worth $40-45 a year to me, so I'll keep paying it until I get a new BR player or a new TV.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Congrats for pointing out what I already stated... "Outside Call of Duty and Halo..." Your link shows Call of Duty. Thanks for the obvious.:roll:[/QUOTE]

What do most people on Live play... So what are you most likely to see a sample from? Do most people only own CoD and Halo? Is the software attach rate that low for 360... To think only CoD and Halo have people talking shit, playing music, being young and brash, etc is to ignore the truth. How about some of these videos along the sidebar...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4ijG8RY16A

I have not played CoD or Halo online, yet I've experienced a large amount of the type of crap in those videos. Experienced it on PS3 too.

[quote name='lordopus99']
Awesome for you. Why are you complaining then? You have all your needs on the PS3. Looks like you have been wasting your money all this time.

Again, you guys sound so ridiculous over what is essentially a value meal or two over a YEAR span; in which the majority of you will not pay since there will be some sale (this is CAG). The price hasn't changed for years yet other industries have. Yes, you can claim "necessity" arguement but there are plenty of other industries that are non-necessity that have also gone up i.e. Cable TV, Phone (landline/cell), Shipping, Entertainment Events (Sporting Events, Concerts, etc)....[/QUOTE]
This was discussed earlier. The cost of a completely unrelated product does not justify having a company raise the price to pay for timed-exclusivity to get more subscribers when they already make a ridiculous profit off it. You will pay more. The price hasn't changed for years because they were ripping you off to begin with. Because one industry does it it makes it right for another to? You're being ridiculous yourself by defending such practices where companies overcharge you for something, particularly when it's free everywhere else. Society cannot function without opposing viewpoints and people trying to keep things in check. Otherwise you might as well plug yourself into the Matrix.

It does serve a function to voice your opinion to other gamers. You can help them realize that it is not as good of a setup as they may think it is. Some will be convinced by points you bring up that they had not originally considered. They will learn about facets that they previously did not have info on (not because of their own fault just because they had not been exposed to it). I wouldn't want to be educated by a teacher that did not allow the students to debate each other's points or live in a country where people did not have the freedom of speech. Why would people who game on PS3 or Wii complain? Because if one company can get away with it, they will adopt it eventually too. It's not about MS being the only who can be evil. It's about how they're using this specific business model.

[quote name='dmaul1114']I suppose.

But I have no other way to get that stuff on my TV currently (only have a 360, Bluray player doesn't have that stuff built in, TV has no computer inputs/laptop only has RGB out etc) so I'd happily pay $30 a year for the convenience factor.

As is, I've been fine paying $30-35 for that stuff and ability to do a little online gaming here and there. And while I don't like a $10 increase, it's still worth $40-45 a year to me, so I'll keep paying it until I get a new BR player or a new TV.[/QUOTE]

Understandable, yet by paying you're also supporting this business model to be used in the future by more companies costing yourself more down the road. We all do this from time to time, I'm not trying to fault you. I'm trying to convince you to make that change earlier for your benefit and mine.
 
[quote name='agentos']We see plenty of online vendors selling them for $30-35 and the current MSRP is $50. Nothing will really change except the $30-35 discounted ranges may become extinct.[/QUOTE]
no, you USED TO see online vendors selling them for $30-$35, but as of now both Amazon and Walmart raised their prices to over $47. the only place still selling them for $39 is NewEgg, and while that's the lowest price at the moment, that was still kinda high until now...
 
[quote name='J7.']What do most people on Live play... So what are you most likely to see a sample from? Do most people only own CoD and Halo? Is the software attach rate that low for 360... To think only CoD and Halo have people talking shit, playing music, being young and brash, etc is to ignore the truth. How about some of these videos along the sidebar...

I have not played CoD or Halo online, yet I've experienced a large amount of the type of crap in those videos. Experienced it on PS3 too.
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Sorry you haven't had as good of luck as I have. Those are the only two games I have experienced any of the issues you have. It probably is part of the reason you can't find a clip that comes from another game. If someone is on a mic, I find that they actually use it for either a) game strategy or b) to chit-chat (not talk shit). But I also find that most people use party chat instead of in game chat as well. Again, that is just my experience. As for PSN... when I have played, I barely ever ran into people with mics (granted it has been months since my last online adventure on PS3 so maybe more people bought mics).

This was discussed earlier. The cost of a completely unrelated product does not justify having a company raise the price to pay for timed-exclusivity to get more subscribers when they already make a ridiculous profit off it. You will pay more. The price hasn't changed for years because they were ripping you off to begin with. Because one industry does it it makes it right for another to? You're being ridiculous yourself by defending such practices where companies overcharge you for something, particularly when it's free everywhere else. Society cannot function without opposing viewpoints and people trying to keep things in check. Otherwise you might as well plug yourself into the Matrix.
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The Hard Truth - Businesses are out to make money. So yes I am fully aware they are making lots of money for the service. Remember this same company lost lots of money from their system sales, servicing that system from RROD, and R&D in re-creating that system (a couple times) in attempt to curb RROD.

To address your points...
- It's related... all these industries didn't really increase their service, yet they all went up in price. At least, Xbox Live did increase in service. These industries and Microsoft did so because a) greed and b) inflation. Just like your salary increases each year so do operation costs and their own salaries the company pays out.
- Free everywhere... Let's start with the free.
1. Matchmaking - The only system that is comparable to Xbox Live Matchmaking is a PC. PSN is atrocious in comparison. Wii is laughable.
2. Netflix - Xbox Live requires 0 disc; PSN requires a disc; Wii requires a disc; my fiance has been dropped on the Wii's connection; the service was delayed in making it to the other systems
3. Chatting - Xbox Live has party chat; neither other system does; Mics on other systems are little to none.
So just because it is FREE doesn't make it the SAME. You are paying for a superior service. Just like people pay for a certain name brand, etc.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']
The Hard Truth - Businesses are out to make money. So yes I am fully aware they are making lots of money for the service. Remember this same company lost lots of money from their system sales, servicing that system from RROD, and R&D in re-creating that system (a couple times) in attempt to curb RROD.[/QUOTE]While it's completely understandable that a company has to make their money somewhere, the RROD... well that's their fault, it's hard to find sympathy for the company there. It seems like they understood the risk of pushing out a system early in order to beat the competition to the marketplace. It's really disturbing to think that consumers are indirectly paying the bill on Microsoft's RROD mistake.
[quote name='lordopus99']
1. Matchmaking - The only system that is comparable to Xbox Live Matchmaking is a PC. PSN is atrocious in comparison. Wii is laughable.
2. Netflix - Xbox Live requires 0 disc; PSN requires a disc; Wii requires a disc; my fiance has been dropped on the Wii's connection; the service was delayed in making it to the other systems
3. Chatting - Xbox Live has party chat; neither other system does; Mics on other systems are little to none.
So just because it is FREE doesn't make it the SAME. You are paying for a superior service. Just like people pay for a certain name brand, etc.[/QUOTE]There's no disagreeing that #1 and #3 are owned by Xbox on the console front. With rumors starting to circulate that Netflix on PS3 will go disc-less soon, they pretty much leaves matchmaking and chatting separating the gaming experience. People have to ask themselves are those two things enough justify a $60 asking price over PSN's $0?
 
I've been looking for days for a 12 M C and I still haven't seen anything remotely considered a deal. New Egg at $39 + SH is NOT a deal new price hike or not! C'mon guys we're CAGs! No one's found some obscure site yet that is trying to dump there stock?
 
[quote name='Thrinn']While it's completely understandable that a company has to make their money somewhere, the RROD... well that's their fault, it's hard to find sympathy for the company there. It seems like they understood the risk of pushing out a system early in order to beat the competition to the marketplace. It's really disturbing to think that consumers are indirectly paying the bill on Microsoft's RROD mistake.
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That is one way at looking at it. But either way, all I was stressing is Microsoft really is only making money off Xbox Live.

There's no disagreeing that #1 and #3 are owned by Xbox on the console front. With rumors starting to circulate that Netflix on PS3 will go disc-less soon, they pretty much leaves matchmaking and chatting separating the gaming experience. People have to ask themselves are those two things enough justify a $60 asking price over PSN's $0?
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For me, #1 means the most so paying $5/month is worth it. Nothing bothers me more than waiting to get into games and/or lagging due to someone else connection they through me in with. Both which I experience with PS3's matchmaking. #3 is the next important thing for my online experience. And you are correct #2 should be going away but Netflix has been discless on xbox for over 2 years.
 
[quote name='Fear No Darkness']I've been looking for days for a 12 M C and I still haven't seen anything remotely considered a deal. New Egg at $39 + SH is NOT a deal new price hike or not! C'mon guys we're CAGs! No one's found some obscure site yet that is trying to dump there stock?[/QUOTE]

What on earth would make you think anyone would sell them cheap just to dump their stock? Its not like they expire. If anything, someone with a ton of stock knows they are not sitting on a gold mine.

This was my issue with everyone saying to relax because you can always find the same old deals we've been getting.......Those deals are done....If anything, you will probably be paying $10 more than the average deal from years past.....

I've heard rumblings that MS may do away with stores carrying the cards. This makes much more sense and will earn them much more money than the $10 increase ever would. Think about how much money they have lost because people like us have been getting cards for around $30 every year instead of paying MS $50 directly. Getting rid of the cards is the best decision MS could have done. Either that, or they will charge stores so much, that discounting them would be pointless for them.

I currently own a PS3 and 2 360s. One is my sons and the 360 has always been my online console of choice. Now, I'm selling the 360 and getting him a second PS3. I simply cannot justify paying 100-120 a year for two live accounts. People love to use the "its only .xx cents a day" argument. Sticking with that logic, buying a ps3 is still cheaper in the long run. Lets say there are 4 years left in this gen. A ps3 would run me $300. 4 years for 2 live services would run me $480. Throw in the fact that I can sell my 360 and recover half the cost of a ps3, that sure looks like a much better deal for this cheapass.
 
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[quote name='Thrinn']It's really disturbing to think that consumers are indirectly paying the bill on Microsoft's RROD mistake.[/QUOTE]


Dude, you indirectly pay the bill for everything. People stealing from stores? You foot the bill. Energy charges up at the microsoft headquarters? you foot the bill. Ballmer needs a new yacht? You foot the bill.

I don't understand what the big deal is here. I wish everyone would just stop buying microsoft products and then whining about it. Just don't buy! There's no gun to your head.

When the haircut place I go to starts charging $35 instead of $30, I don't throw a fit. I either pay $35 or go get a shitty haircut from Supercuts.

If you don't like Live anymore because the price is too high, I hear both Wii and PS3 have online components...
 
[quote name='confoosious']When the haircut place I go to starts charging $35 instead of $30, I don't throw a fit. I either pay $35 or go get a shitty haircut from Supercuts.
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$35 for a haircut?!? I pay $17 from an old school Italian Barber.
 
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