Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

WV Matsui said:
Wait... So you guys want to store all of your tv shows on your X1? That would be great for the hard drive space. You guys really are grasping straws now.
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Who said anything abut that? People who were psyched about it being the all in one set top box it claimed to be were upset that it wouldn't work their DVRs, they don't want to replace them, they want to replace their ancient slow ass cable boxes but not the dvrs themselves.

 
Blaster man said:
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For that matter, why not just have a slot for a CableCard? Then DVR and cable box functionality would be easy.
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That's really what they should have been done. I was intrigued by the TV stuff they showed at the reveal until it came out that it just used IR blaster to control your DVR.

If it could reduce clutter in the TV stand, and work faster than my clunky old DirecTV DVR, I'd have been interested in it. As is I'd never use it as I don't care about voice command stuff and I'm not going to have both my DVR and game console on and wasting power when watching TV personally.

HDD space wouldn't be an issue for me as I don't tape a ton of shows and don't buy retail games in download form (I resell everything), so it's just a few shows here, small XBLA games and any free XBL Gold games I wanted.

 
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Frankly for such a forward-thinking console I thought chaining themselves to cable boxes is a oddly backwards thinking idea anyways. More or and more people are ditching cable entirely all the time and watching through streaming services or downloading digitally to watch at their leisure at with far more convenient methods and better prices than cable. That's where TV and movie watching is trending and it scares the shit out of cable companies.

 
Erad30 said:
Frankly for such a forward-thinking console I thought chaining themselves to cable boxes is a oddly backwards thinking idea anyways. More or and more people are ditching cable entirely all the time and watching through streaming services or downloading digitally to watch at their leisure at with far more convenient methods and better prices than cable. That's where TV and movie watching is trending and it scares the shit out of cable companies.
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Not really. It's pretty smart. They are catering to the people who have cable, and then they are also gearing up for the future when cable goes all streaming \ on demand. I predict in 5 years or so Microsoft has their own streaming cable service that goes through the xbox one.

 
I think this deal will actually extend cable companies life considerably. They could've made big waves by doing their own streaming service now, especially if it came with a gold subscription or was heavily discounted with one. They have the position and power to do that now frankly.

 
Who said anything abut that? People who were psyched about it being the all in one set top box it claimed to be were upset that it wouldn't work their DVRs, they don't want to replace them, they want to replace their ancient slow ass cable boxes but not the dvrs themselves.



It will work your DVR through the new UI and HDMI in hooked up to your DVR cable/satellite box...
 
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Frankly for such a forward-thinking console I thought chaining themselves to cable boxes is a oddly backwards thinking idea anyways. More or and more people are ditching cable entirely all the time and watching through streaming services or downloading digitally to watch at their leisure at with far more convenient methods and better prices than cable. That's where TV and movie watching is trending and it scares the shit out of cable companies.[/quote]
This is such bullshit. The X1 has all of the tv apps that everyone is googly-eyed over in the other thread (had them this generation) and now they are adding this awesome tv feature and you say it's not even forward thinking. :lol:

There are still plenty who still have cable and will not be cutting the cord. One main thing is sports and well that's why the ESPN app and the NFL partnership are huge for MS.
 
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The ESPN app/NFL is actually a great example of how they could've been forward thinking. If they struck an exclusive deal with ESPN/NFL for streaming rights that bypassed cable that could've been huge, which again they have the money and power to do. That's forward thinking. Not hey everybody fucking hates cable but deals with them because they have to for things like sports, let's hook up with them. And I hardly think hating on cable companies, comparing what's available at launch and calling out an Xbox exec on his bullshit answer are fanboyism. I've shown no favoritism here. I wasn't a fan of Sony's showing at Gamescom, and some of their statements were downright stupid (especially the "our studios are working on games for us") line. In addition everybody pretty much agrees that last cheap shot at MS was a bad move (you are attacking them for listening to their customers?).

 
WV Matsui said:
This is such bullshit. The X1 has all of the tv apps that everyone is googly-eyed over in the other thread (had them this generation) and now they are adding this awesome tv feature and you say it's not even forward thinking. :lol:

There are still plenty who still have cable and will not be cutting the cord. One main thing is sports and well that's why the ESPN app and the NFL partnership are huge for MS.
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There are no awesome TV features. It doesn't do anything but act as a verbal remote control and at least one cable company has a DVR that does all that the Xbox One does (including voice control) and its got the same fucking name as the X1.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3bFXwLLOZik&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3bFXwLLOZik
 
Erad30 said:
Nearly every podcast I listen to has bashed them for it.
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While its good to listen to your customers, I think the point is, they could have either

A) Listened to them in the first place and never have this situatiion

or

B) Stick with your message but do a much better job to explain your message and do a good job to explain it to people and get them on board.

 
Also what apps is ANYBODY googly-eyed over for EITHER system? A completely valid argument I and others have made is that you can do all these apps now. Either on things you already own or things that are are cheaper and far more portable options. None of these social/ streaming apps are worth paying for a $400-500 console for. They are decent bonuses and I'm sure I'll use them when I get the systems but they aren't really a selling point when I or anybody else can already do that on my current console(s)/computer/tablet/phone.

 
Deader2818 said:
While its good to listen to your customers, I think the point is, they could have either

A) Listened to them in the first place and never have this situatiion

or

B) Stick with your message but do a much better job to explain your message and do a good job to explain it to people and get them on board.
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What really surprises me is that MS had no idea how angry people were going to be. I had read for at least the last year people saying they wouldn't buy a console that didnt allow used games and such. For such a massive company, how could they have done no focus testing? Then of course they targeted the product at the casual audience with the TV stuff but priced it at the hardcore gamer audience. It was just a huge clusterfuck. If you can't sell to your early adopters then you're screwed. The general (casual) audience is used to buying in on the cheap into a successful product line. I really don't think they could have kept the policies and had a successful product.
 
wait so people want xbox one to have dvr for tv? what happend to just wanting a gaming system i don't think people know what they want.



Yes they do apparently and are upset about that now... Straws!!!
 
Erad30 said:
Frankly for such a forward-thinking console I thought chaining themselves to cable boxes is a oddly backwards thinking idea anyways. More or and more people are ditching cable entirely all the time and watching through streaming services or downloading digitally to watch at their leisure at with far more convenient methods and better prices than cable. That's where TV and movie watching is trending and it scares the shit out of cable companies.
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too bad in the u.s most isp companys are going to or have month to month download usage that will make that kind of services to not work for a full month or pay crazy amount of money in fees. Might i ad outside of u.s has very low data usage in home internet.

 
Erad30 said:
The ESPN app/NFL is actually a great example of how they could've been forward thinking. If they struck an exclusive deal with ESPN/NFL for streaming rights that bypassed cable that could've been huge, which again they have the money and power to do. That's forward thinking. Not hey everybody fucking hates cable but deals with them because they have to for things like sports, let's hook up with them. And I hardly think hating on cable companies, comparing what's available at launch and calling out an Xbox exec on his bullshit answer are fanboyism. I've shown no favoritism here. I wasn't a fan of Sony's showing at Gamescom, and some of their statements were downright stupid (especially the "our studios are working on games for us") line. In addition everybody pretty much agrees that last cheap shot at MS was a bad move (you are attacking them for listening to their customers?).
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nooo way in heck espn would by pass cable lol espn makes all their money on cable subs

 
TimboSliceGB said:
wait so people want xbox one to have dvr for tv? what happend to just wanting a gaming system i don't think people know what they want.
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True enough but there are plenty of people who were excited about the prospect of the Xbox One as an all in one set top box that they could ditch their cable boxes for in addition to being a gaming machine. That's how it was presented at the May unveiling (which I was fine with the focus there because they had been saying for weeks that;s what it would be and E3 would be about games). They are/were disappointed that it isn't that at all, just something you patch through your cable box that adds nothing to it. Think about how slow cable boxes are and how fast the UI of the Xbox One is, people would go nuts if it did that for cable/dvr.

 
honstly i don't want my 500 doller gaming system being on 24/7 so it can be used as a all in one system. I don't think we will have issues overheating as we did with 360 but you never know. I don't evne play long on my ps3 and gaming pc that the over heating stuff of 360 scared me so much lol.

i doudt i will even use xbox one for the tv stuff yes i will try it out at first just to see how well it works but att uverse box/dvr is pretty good i don't need the xbox one.

 
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Well supposedly the One has a system that is really supposed to detect and prevent overheating and I want to believe MS learned their mistake on that with the rampant issues on the 360. I don't think at this point they could afford a PR disaster of that magnitude on top of everything that's already happened.

Again I don't think one week will make a difference either way but:

The Xbox One Might Be Out On November 8

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The PlayStation 4 is out in the US on November 15. The Xbox One? Well, it's looking like it could hit the market a week ahead of its competitor.

While Microsoft is yet to officially announce the big day, and "release dates" on retailer sites are usually little more than window dressing, we've heard from someone a little closer to the launch that Microsoft is planning a November 8 release for its latest console.

The source, who works for a marketing company that handles signage and product placement for retail giant Walmart, passed along what they say is an email for a company conference call that lists all the midnight openings the chain has planned.

As you can see, alongside the big holiday games, and just before the PS4, is the Xbox One, at November 8. Note however that, unlike every other date listed, the Xbox One's lacks a "confirmed" status, suggesting Microsoft is yet to lock the date down.

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The earlier release helps the hype train. I don't know how many sales it will provide but it definitely helps the X1 dominate the talk for a whole 7+ days (some would argue 14). That is a good thing. Will it win the overall sales battle? No, but it really helps get the ball rolling on a good note.
 
the week before is huge that means watch dogs will be out a week before ps4 and close to two weeks before all the others. Watch dogs has the biggest hype right now. Plus might i add cod is just 3 days before that which means if people want next gen cod they might buy x1 if they have no preorder for ps4. 

 
I doubt 7 days early is going to make very many people drop their PS4 pre-orders for Xbox one.

Who knows if Watch Dogs would actually launch with the Xbox One.

 
Deader2818 said:
I doubt 7 days early is going to make very many people drop their PS4 pre-orders for Xbox one.

Who knows if Watch Dogs would actually launch with the Xbox One.
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i said people with out pre orders and yes watch dogs is offical xbox one launch title on launch day the launch day list was announced at gamescon.

 
I think it would be cool for X1 to be a replacement for dvr/cable boxes and while I think that had MS kept there Comcast shares ( http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/01/20/microsoft-sells-entire-comcast-stake/ ) they might have had at least one provider that gave more options. However it just seems insane that anyone would think that cable companies would allow MS to bypass them or cheat them out of DVR fees and such. I don't think even MS has money to pay off every X1 owners DVR fee at the end of every month. 

In theory, later versions of the console will have built in cable or better situations. It's what they hinted at from go as their goal and what seems like a obvious go to point.

Also Ghosts comes out on the 5th. People might wait 3 days for dedicated servers. 

 
TimboSliceGB said:
nooo way in heck espn would by pass cable lol espn makes all their money on cable subs
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Sony, Google, Intel and Apple Inc. are trying to obtain programming rights to win TV viewers from cable, phone and satellite companies. The tech giants plan to use existing cable, fiber and wireless networks, as Netflix Inc. (NFLX) does, to offer Web-based TV in living rooms and on tablets and smartphones.
The companies are seeking to grab a slice of the $100 billion a year in U.S. pay-TV fees collected by cable, phone and satellite providers. On average, U.S. viewers pay about $80 a month for programming bundles, with the revenue shared by broadcast and cable networks. The TV industry also collects $59 billion a year in ad sales.
Tokyo-based Sony recently reached a preliminary agreement with Viacom Inc. for access to programming such as Nickelodeon and Comedy Central, a person familiar with the matter said last week. Apple is also working on a TV service.
Jon Carvill, an Intel spokesman, declined to comment. Lily Lin, a spokeswoman for Mountain View, California-based Google, didn’t respond to a request for comment.
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ESPN exec is willing to talk to Google, Sony, Intel about IPTV

Google eyeing NFL's Sunday Ticket package

Google, Sony, Intel, and Apple are all approaching TV via internet while Microsoft is taking the tethered to a cable box approach. If Apple can get a deal going, Google will soon follow, and so will the rest. Microsoft better hope ESPN never goes IPTV, otherwise more reasons to get rid of the cable box.

 
ESPN exec is willing to talk to Google, Sony, Intel about IPTV
Google eyeing NFL's Sunday Ticket package

Google, Sony, Intel, and Apple are all approaching TV via internet while Microsoft is taking the tethered to a cable box approach. If Apple can get a deal going, Google will soon follow, and so will the rest. Microsoft better hope ESPN never goes IPTV, otherwise more reasons to get rid of the cable box.



The 360 already has a ton of these apps....

Have you guys not used the 360 App Store? This is hilarious how the 360 is so ahead and Sony is in "talks" to add one or two of them and you guys act like it's groundbreaking. Give me a break. What a joke!
 
TimboSliceGB said:
wait so people want xbox one to have dvr for tv? what happend to just wanting a gaming system i don't think people know what they want.
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You're confused. There's not a reason in the world to use the X1 as a glorified remote control. If it could replace a DVR I could save $15 a month which would be reason enough for me to buy one.

basilofbkrst said:
I think it would be cool for X1 to be a replacement for dvr/cable boxes and while I think that had MS kept there Comcast shares ( http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/01/20/microsoft-sells-entire-comcast-stake/ ) they might have had at least one provider that gave more options. However it just seems insane that anyone would think that cable companies would allow MS to bypass them or cheat them out of DVR fees and such. I don't think even MS has money to pay off every X1 owners DVR fee at the end of every month.

In theory, later versions of the console will have built in cable or better situations. It's what they hinted at from go as their goal and what seems like a obvious go to point.

Also Ghosts comes out on the 5th. People might wait 3 days for dedicated servers.
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Confused. Why would they pay the cable company for the DVR? I'm talking about it BEING the DVR.
 
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Albert getting real...

"I think people are using the way [voice] works on Xbox 360, which was an accessory we built five years after release, as how it's going to work here," he told us. "But it's so much more elegant and so much more integrated, and in many ways it's a lot faster and more convenient. Whereas on Xbox 360 it's a lesser version of doing the thing you're used to doing on your controller.

"This is the part of the internet that's frustrating, because everybody wants to assume there's a [units volume] issue. And yet I'm showing real hardware here at Gamescom - a real, final, retail kit. Which I have yet to see my friends show me.

Xbox One release delay explained - there are no manufacturing problems, insists Microsoft

http://m.oxm.co.uk/60960/xbox-one-release-delay-explained-there-are-no-manufacturing-problems-insists-microsoft/
 
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WV Matsui said:
Albert getting real...

"I think people are using the way [voice] works on Xbox 360, which was an accessory we built five years after release, as how it's going to work here," he told us. "But it's so much more elegant and so much more integrated, and in many ways it's a lot faster and more convenient. Whereas on Xbox 360 it's a lesser version of doing the thing you're used to doing on your controller.

"This is the part of the internet that's frustrating, because everybody wants to assume there's a [units volume] issue. And yet I'm showing real hardware here at Gamescom - a real, final, retail kit. Which I have yet to see my friends show me.

Xbox One release delay explained - there are no manufacturing problems, insists Microsoft

http://m.oxm.co.uk/60960/xbox-one-release-delay-explained-there-are-no-manufacturing-problems-insists-microsoft/
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Don't believe it. They hyped the shit out of Kinect before it launched too. Oh and don't even think about talking about the 360 when it's on because it will hear you mention "Xbox".
 
I think it would be cool for X1 to be a replacement for dvr/cable boxes and while I think that had MS kept there Comcast shares ( http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/01/20/microsoft-sells-entire-comcast-stake/ ) they might have had at least one provider that gave more options. However it just seems insane that anyone would think that cable companies would allow MS to bypass them or cheat them out of DVR fees and such. I don't think even MS has money to pay off every X1 owners DVR fee at the end of every month.

In theory, later versions of the console will have built in cable or better situations. It's what they hinted at from go as their goal and what seems like a obvious go to point.

Also Ghosts comes out on the 5th. People might wait 3 days for dedicated servers.



You do realize that can be done now right?

it's called a cable card, and a tuner. I did it before we went to uverse (no cable card) all you pay is 3 bucks a month for the cable card.
 
28nm. Wasn't expcting that.

Looks like they have a bunch of small ram "mini pockets" that will fly.

 
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Blaster man said:
Most people don't have a DVR and what he wants is for the X1 to be a DVR. Why can't it do that? That would certainly sell a lot of Xbox One's.

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For that matter, why not just have a slot for a CableCard? Then DVR and cable box functionality would be easy.
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Most people don't have a DVR where? In Africa? I don't know one person who doesn't have one, including my grandparents.
 
I don't own a DVR. Not many shows on currently that we watch, and the ones that do are spread out during the week so we never miss them. And if we do, usually the websites show them the next day.

It was nice when we did have one though. Just no reason to at the moment.

 
I stream all of my TV, except for a fall show or two that I watch broadcast.  Every show I want to watch is on either Netflix or Hulu+ so it makes zero sense for me to shell out extra for a cable box/DVR that I will never use when I already pay out the ass for high speed internet.   Plus I don't want/need another box cluttering up my living room setup.

It makes zero sense to me that the X1 is being billed as a DVR enhancement/replacement but doesn't support CableCard...FFS my 9 year old Sony HD CRT has  one.

 
Erad30 said:
The ESPN app/NFL is actually a great example of how they could've been forward thinking. If they struck an exclusive deal with ESPN/NFL for streaming rights that bypassed cable that could've been huge, which again they have the money and power to do. .
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Their hands were tied on that actually as DirecTV has a long exclusive deal for NFL pay per view. Their Sunday ticket is the only way to get games not on your local networks or the national Sunday and Monday night games.

Major college and pro sports are a pain to stream other than MLB, and even that sucks if you're in your team's market as the games get blacked out there and most games are on the regional cable sports network these days. The ESPN3 streaming has a lot of the college stuff, but a lot of ISPs don't support it or only offer it if you also have their tv service making it moot.

The college and pro leagues make so much money from TV contracts they're unlikely to do much in the way of streaming on their own. And the networks and cable companies aren't either as they know they've got sports fans by the balls and it's huge for ad revenue since sports are one of the few things a majority of people still watch live.
 
Blaster man said:
No one I know has one.

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Just googled it, Nielson estimates 46% of households have one.
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Wow. I don't know anyone who pays for cable/satellite/whatever and doesn't have a DVR so I'm actually kinda surprised it's that low.. I can't even remember the last time I watched a TV show live, I love my DVR.

 
Erad30 said:
Well they say it's a few less cars and tracks, how much they cut I guess we'll have to see. Have you played a majority of f2p MMOS? Yes there's monetization and whatnot, but you can play a ton of quality content for absolutely nothing. My wife and I played DCUO on the PS3 for quite a few months and bought nothing. We still get back into it on occasion. There are expansions but we haven't payed for a single one yet and still get plenty of content. Most good f2p games are like that.
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DC wasn't originally a f2p. It went f2p 7-8 months after release. So don't know why you're comparing launch f2p to a failed pay model that converted to f2p later to try and rope in more people.
 
thenutman69321 said:
Wow. I don't know anyone who pays for cable/satellite/whatever and doesn't have a DVR so I'm actually kinda surprised it's that low.. I can't even remember the last time I watched a TV show live, I love my DVR.
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Yeah, the only people who pay for TV and don't have one that I know are my parents. My dad watches nothing but sports and maybe flipping over to Palladia if there's a band he likes on. My mom watches a few network shows, but mainly streams things on Netflix. Otherwise, everyone I know with pay TV has DVR, so I'm surprised it's only 46%.

I'm not surprised a lot of people on CAG don't have it, since people on here tend to be broke, and there's a much higher than average number of cord cutters on here since many are hardcore gamers and just don't watch much TV.

 
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