Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

Had my copy of Ghosts show up today...useless until Friday.



I know how you feel.

I had my Prestige edition looking at me for days.
 
Yeah that's odd, Gamestop says I can pick mine up today but since I have to trade in my 360 version for it I'm going to wait until Thursday at the earliest.
 
DestroVega said:
Yeah that's odd, Gamestop says I can pick mine up today but since I have to trade in my 360 version for it I'm going to wait until Thursday at the earliest.
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You might want to at least call an let them know that you are picking it up in a couple days, I'm pretty sure after 48 hours they give up your pre-order, even if it's fully paid.

 
Still don't plan on buying one right now, but after watching the Giant Bomb videos on Killer Instinct and DR3 I'm pretty impressed, they look a lot better than any other console exclusives I've seen on either new system.

 
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NinjaPenguin777 said:
As funny as the PS4 fails are and as much as Sony fanboys deserved it
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this might be one of the dumbest comments ive read on here in the last 6 months. kudos.

xbox 360 failure rates are estimated between 24-54% at launch. no one those people deserved the RRoD. yes, its a launch and problems will happen, but none of them deserve it.

did a sony fanyboy kick your mom or something?

 
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8bitArtist said:
xbox 360 failure rates are estimated between 24-54% at launch. no one those people deserved the RRoD.
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Yeah, Microsoft kind of set the bar low with the original 360 run. Going forward, just about every console launch is going to look good by comparison. If the XBox One is able to keep the failure rate below 10%, it's going to be heralded as a success. The failure rate for the PS4 is currently being estimated at less than 1%. Sony's success at shipping so many units is a large reason for why we're hearing about so many examples. Less than 1% of 1 million units is still thousands of units. In terms of percentages it's really quite an acceptable failure rate, but it makes for a big story when you have thousands of cases to point to this soon after launch.

 
8bitArtist said:
this might be one of the dumbest comments ive read on here in the last 6 months. kudos.

xbox 360 failure rates are estimated between 24-54% at launch. no one those people deserved the RRoD. yes, its a launch and problems will happen, but none of them deserve it.

did a sony fanyboy kick your mom or something?
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Have you not been following gaming news for the past 6 months? Sony fanboys have sh*t all over every bit of negative Xbox One news that has come out. No one deserves to have their consoles fail. It sucks. I went through it with multiple 360's, but the hubris that Sony/their fans have shown is outrageous. Karma is a better word for it than deserve. I have nothing against Sony. I have a ps3. I enjoy it for what it is, and I'll probably get a ps4 at some point in the future. I hope both consoles do well. The comment was aimed specifically at the type of people who hope one console fails hence the fanboy part of my statement. The people that are pro Sony that attacked every Xbox One downfall and talked the PS4 up like it was so far superior. Those are the people I was talking about. If you think it was one of the dumbest comments you've read then you clearly don't get around to many parts of this site

 
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NinjaPenguin777 said:
Have you not been following gaming news for the past 6 months? Sony fanboys have sh*t all over every bit of negative Xbox One news that has come out. No one deserves to have their consoles fail. It sucks. I went through it with multiple 360's, but the hubris that Sony/their fans have shown is outrageous. Karma is a better word for it than deserve. I have nothing against Sony. I have a ps3. I enjoy it for what it is, and I'll probably get a ps4 at some point in the future. I hope both consoles do well. The comment was aimed specifically at the type of people who hope one console fails hence the fanboy part of my statement. The people that are pro Sony that attacked every Xbox One downfall and talked the PS4 up like it was so far superior. Those are the people I was talking about. If you think it was one of the dumbest comments you've read then you clearly don't get around to many parts of this site
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dumb fan boys of every console shit on the other consoles and then theres the PC gamers that shit on everyone. that doesnt mean any of them deserve a bricked launch console. youre right, i dont get around too many parts on this site, doesnt make your comment any less dumb.

 
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no one deserves any system issues but from reading ps4 forums last couple days sound like they were thinking nothing would go bad. We launch buyers are pretty much paying hundreds of dollers to be beta testers.

 
Have you not been following gaming news for the past 6 months? Sony fanboys have sh*t all over every bit of negative Xbox One news that has come out. No one deserves to have their consoles fail. It sucks. I went through it with multiple 360's, but the hubris that Sony/their fans have shown is outrageous. Karma is a better word for it than deserve. I have nothing against Sony. I have a ps3. I enjoy it for what it is, and I'll probably get a ps4 at some point in the future. I hope both consoles do well. The comment was aimed specifically at the type of people who hope one console fails hence the fanboy part of my statement. The people that are pro Sony that attacked every Xbox One downfall and talked the PS4 up like it was so far superior. Those are the people I was talking about. If you think it was one of the dumbest comments you've read then you clearly don't get around to many parts of this site


You disable your own argument by calling on karma. You sound way angrier than you should be.

I will clarify something for everyone here. None of these console battles are "my system is better than your system." Look closer. It's really "how I spend my money is better than how you do, so don't make me feel buyers remorse."
 
Got an e-mail from Amazon saying they'll have some units availabie for preorder tomorrow--FYI for anyone who doesn't have one locked down and still wants one.

Dear Amazon.com Customer,

Customers who signed up to be notified of Xbox One console availability might like to know that we will have units of the Xbox One available for pre-order on Wednesday, November 20.

Quantities are limited so you will need to pre-order while supplies last, starting at 8 a.m. ET / 5 a.m. PT.
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Yeah saw that on their FB page as well. Keep that F5 handy lol.

Something I read which I nodded to:

"If Microsoft makes a mistake: OMFG MICROSHIT SUCKS AND SO DOES XBONE OMFG

If Sony makes a mistake: It's okay, everyone makes mistakes even though you had years to solve these issues. No hard feelings."

Seriously

I was having a FB conversations the other day with a chick who stated me "facts" about the Xbox One and how it's a no brainier to go with the PS4. All her facts were all the old info they talked about at E3 (and of course this being the internet was being thrown around like new). I don't feel she was a fanboygirl?, I just felt she wasn't educated on the matter. Yeah, a lot has changed dudet.

If you want to read about the Titanfall exclusivity on Xbox 360, Xbox One and PC, click here. I'll probably pick up the system when that drops, eh eh drops?!  ;)

 
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Spybreak8 said:
Something I read which I nodded to:
"If Microsoft makes a mistake: OMFG MICROSHIT SUCKS AND SO DOES XBONE OMFG
If Sony makes a mistake: It's okay, everyone makes mistakes.

If you want to read about the Titanfall exclusivity on Xbox 360, Xbox One and PC, click here. I'll probably pick up the system when that drops, eh eh drops?! ;)
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I think its funnier that everyone has selective memory. How many times since the PS3 reveal have we had to hear about the $600 pricepoint, difficult cell infrastructure leading to worse looking/playing games, shitty marketing, etc. Roles are reversed for consoles, now the people who gave PS shit get all pissy when MS receives criticisms. Its hilarious.

As for the Titanfall article, great no answer. "It makes sense from a business standpoint" without detailing why that is.

Money. We get it EA. Microsoft gave you money. No need to beat around the bush.
 
Yeah, I'd actually respect EA more if they just laughed and said BECAUSE MICROSOFT GAVE US A MONEY BIN! Instead of that corporate non-answer bullshit.

 
Paul61293 said:
Exactly. I guess these people who keep whining about people shitting on the Xbone have short term and don't remember 2006-07 when everybody shit on the PS3. A couple of years from now people will probably forget all about this stuff just like before.
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Well, lets be honest. Sony DESERVED to have a little crap slung at them when the PS3 happened. While they've managed to polish that system up a bit over the years, there were so many mistakes made in its initial design. Mistakes that have haunted the system through it's entire 7-year run. Sony dug their own grave, and have been digging themselves out of it ever since. Part of the reason why Microsoft was able to gain so much ground with the 360 is because Sony screwed up so badly.

And Microsoft does deserve a fair bit of credit for everything that went right with the 360. Despite the red-ring-of-death debacle, the 360 was a huge improvement over its predecessor, and has been a very successful system. A lot of this was a direct result of Microsoft sitting down and really putting together a proper video game console. They focused on what was important, and stuck to their guns.

I also don't think that the roles have been entirely reversed. While the XBox One is probably going to lose a bit of its video game audience initially, I don't think it's going to lose it's install base. I think that part of Microsoft's entertainment approach is going to work. What this will mean for game development going forward is yet to be seen, although I actually think it could be a positive shift.

The fact that both consoles, despite their similarities, are aiming for different demographics will ultimately end up benefiting everyone.

 
Blaster man said:
Something tells me you're going to be really disappointed if you think it's going to control your "various audio-visual devices via voice control".
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Apparently, he won't be. Both of the early reviews of the system have said it's very easy to set up all your devices and you can control them all pretty flawlessly. Volume control from a receiver, the television itself, and the cable box all seems to work great with the Xbox One. Which shouldn't surprise, that's what they are touting.
 
DestroVega said:
Apparently, he won't be. Both of the early reviews of the system have said it's very easy to set up all your devices and you can control them all pretty flawlessly. Volume control from a receiver, the television itself, and the cable box all seems to work great with the Xbox One. Which shouldn't surprise, that's what they are touting.
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Plent of flaws mentioned to though like it turning off the TV if it's already on (say playing a game) and you tell it to start TV as it sends a power toggle command to the TV.

To be fair I imagine that can be adjusted for, if not by the user after a patch. Harmony remotes handle it just fine by sending an on command, rather than power toggle, when you select an activity. The off command for the tv only gets sent when you hit the power all off button.

Anyway, I do think the media stuff will end up working well. It's just an IR blaster so no reason it won't work as well as a good universal remote once all the kinks are worked out. Though certain things like volume up/down may be annoying if you have to say "Xbox volume up" a bunch of times to get it to he level you want vs holding down or clicking a remote button rapidly
 
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dmaul1114 said:
Plent of flaws mentioned to though like it turning off the TV if it's already on (say playing a game) and you tell it to start TV as it sends a power toggle command to the TV.

To be fair I imagine that can be adjusted for, if not by the user after a patch. Harmony remotes handle it just fine by sending an on command, rather than power toggle, when you select an activity. The off command for the tv only gets sent when you hit the power all off button.

Anyway, I do think the media stuff will end up working well. It's just an IR blaster so no reason it won't work as well as a good universal remote once all the kinks are worked out. Though certain things like volume up/down may be annoying if you have to say "Xbox volume up" a bunch of times to get it to he level you want vs holding down or clicking a remote button rapidly
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Haha yeah, I can grab my remote next to me and lower the volume. Even turning everything off I probably would use it. It's just cool that the switching to TV, switching channels, snapping apps and swapping then seem to work really well. As well as going directly to something on Xbox no matter where you currently are.

And I do agree the system should get better at time with all of this.
 
dennisb407 said:
http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-the-kotaku-review-1467960010
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Wow from the article:

Or take my peculiar AV setup: I like to play games and watch movies with an Astro surround-sound headset, which decodes Dolby 5.1 audio from an optical input cable. However, the Xbox One is currently only able to output stereo and DTS Digital through its optical output. My headphone receiver can't read DTS Digital, so I have to output in stereo, and my surround headphones turn into regular old headphones. I've been asking Microsoft for the last week if they intend to add Dolby output to the optical audio port in the near future (it's an option for HDMI output), but haven't gotten a solid answer on whether a fix is coming.

 
He then later says he can't use those headphones with the system right now anyway, so that point looks moot to me.

It's much more surprising that the TV pass through only has surround sound as a Beta option. Maybe Friday it's fully there but you'd think if you want people to have this completely controlling your television setup that would certainly be there.
 
Nothing seems overly negative about the system, though oddly I've read/heard nothing about how the online is holding up. I guess we'll find out in a few days, as long as parties aren't dropping in and out like Neogaf's cboat was hyping about then there doesn't seem to be any major concerns with the system.

My guess is the storage indicator is just a huge oversight on Microsoft's part from the original DRM where the whole system was supposed to be online only. Because with the cloud storage your supposed to get UNLIMITED games saves, sharing and what not. So you would only really need more storage space for installed games.

The passthru/surround sound features for the TV features seems like it will be patched/ironed out in the long run, but definitely a bummer for those TV enthusiasts that wanted a X1.

I think the *BIGGEST* problem with the X1 is not the $100 price tag, rather the multiplatform issue they will face in the long run if companies doesn't offer parity. If games always look better on the PS4 like Battlefield then that's a bigger issue for MS. I don't see COD looking better on the PS4 for long considering the engine is hardly next gen worthy. Once Activision gets a better feel for the X1 both systems should be in 1080p and look the same.

My second biggest bone to pick with the xbone is the power consumption on standby mode and the fact that it takes over a minute from cold boot. I'm conficted because I hate leaving systems on standby but starting up wise It looks like I will have to. However, the cost electricity wise is going to ramp up leaving the system on standby mode alone all the time. However, the system does use less energy then the PS4 when playing games so I guess it evens out.

Anyways, we will all find out Friday what the real problems are, but again, nothing that really can't be fixed with a good ol' Bethesda patch process lol.

 
The biggest problem for me with the XBox One is that it doesn't seem designed to work alongside other systems. It's features for controlling your entertainment center are excellent, and all the reviews strongly indicate that they are going to work well. The problem arises in cases like mine. I have every current-generation system, and the Wii U. My entertainment center always has numerous systems hooked up to it, and probably always will. The XBox One is much more designed to be the ONLY video game console plugged into a television.

The reason behind such a move is obvious. That's the exact scenario that Microsoft wants. But it's still a bit disappointing for a power video game user such as myself. The XBox One is probably going to do very well for a number of consumers that I can think of. I personally know several people who want exactly what the XBox One is pitching, and would be quite happy to make it the centerpiece of their entertainment center.

But for me, I will wait on the XBox One. Microsoft hasn't lost me entirely. What they are proposing with Project Spark still has me extremely excited. And I have already effectively sold several other people on their new system just by describing some of its functionality. But I will personally be holding off until next year, when we get closer to Project Spark's release.

 
From Kotaku: "The operating system is missing a few small but noticeable features. The Xbox 360 made it possible to assign a thumbstick-inversion preference to each profile, but the Xbox One doesn't. I loved that feature, and I'm bummed that it's not included in the new console."

Okay, they need to fix that, STAT. That's one of my favorite quality-of-life features on 360. Every time I start a new PS3 game I have to head straight into the options first thing to invert my right stick. Meanwhile Xbox 360 is like, "Don't even worry about it. We've got you covered. It's already taken care of."

 
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MMMmmm, the individual profile preferences is a nice touch that they added to the 360 a few years after it launched. I use it a lot with racing games that auto setup a game by default to use the racing wheel and such.

 
Richard Kain said:
The biggest problem for me with the XBox One is that it doesn't seem designed to work alongside other systems. It's features for controlling your entertainment center are excellent, and all the reviews strongly indicate that they are going to work well. The problem arises in cases like mine. I have every current-generation system, and the Wii U. My entertainment center always has numerous systems hooked up to it, and probably always will. The XBox One is much more designed to be the ONLY video game console plugged into a television.

The reason behind such a move is obvious. That's the exact scenario that Microsoft wants. But it's still a bit disappointing for a power video game user such as myself. The XBox One is probably going to do very well for a number of consumers that I can think of. I personally know several people who want exactly what the XBox One is pitching, and would be quite happy to make it the centerpiece of their entertainment center.

But for me, I will wait on the XBox One. Microsoft hasn't lost me entirely. What they are proposing with Project Spark still has me extremely excited. And I have already effectively sold several other people on their new system just by describing some of its functionality. But I will personally be holding off until next year, when we get closer to Project Spark's release.
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Microsoft's ultimate goal has been to create a jack of all trades device.

They were afraid that Apple, Google or another company would beat them to the punch. Rumors suggest that Apple has been working on a TV for a few years now. If Apple is successful in this endeavor it is foreseeable that they could take a huge chunk of Microsoft and Sony's gamer/entertainment market. So Microsoft is taking preemptive steps to assure themselves a piece of the digital sales pie of movies, TV shows, music, sports and games. At the end of the day, if Microsoft can sell folks on the X1, they'll be off to a good start. IMO, X1 is a step in the right direction but it might not be enough depending on what the competition has to offer.

 
Yeah, that sort of feature doesn't worry me. They've already exhibited the ability. It's just a matter of time before that gets patched in. Most of the smaller software features are going to be like that. None of them are deal-breakers, I have plenty of confidence that the vast majority will be addressed in firmware updates. The streaming nature of these consoles will insure that firmware updates can come in regularly, not just quarterly. Microsoft will be able to push software updates as often as they please this time around without negatively affecting the user experience.

What is more concerning for me is the general focus of each system. It's becoming apparent that the PS4 really is going to have an edge for multi-platform performance. As the "purer" gaming system, the multi-platform edge is leaning in Sony's favor this time around. While not significant for some users, it is going to have an effect. The PS4 is shaping up to be the "hardcore" gaming system, while the XBox One is going to be the entertainment system.

 
I never knew about the profile having saved controller preferences or whatever so no biggie to me but I could see people wanting it especially of the last system had it. You should never take away features IMO.
 
DestroVega said:
I never knew about the profile having saved controller preferences or whatever so no biggie to me but I could see people wanting it especially of the last system had it. You should never take away features IMO.
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It's not so much a matter of taking them away, as simply not having gotten to them yet. The XBox One has a new processor architecture. All of the software for the system had to be designed from the ground up. They couldn't just copy and paste the XBox 360's interface.

The strong on-line focus of modern gaming consoles allows for regular software updates and revisions. For a hard-deadline launch, you have to prioritize which features are truly necessary. And sometimes a little triage has to happen. Some features don't make the cut, and have to be left for later. It's just one of the dangers you have to accept when purchasing launch hardware. The software features simply aren't going to be final. Companies can't just keep perfecting these systems in R&D forever. At some point they have to launch in order to get revenue coming in, even if they aren't feature complete.

 
Ruh-roh:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/11/20/xbox-one-will-automatically-manage-your-hard-drive-storage.aspx

That is some bullshit right there. Games as a service, indeed.
 
4thHorseman said:
Maybe I just don't get it...but I don't see the problem here...
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You aren't ever going to be able to copy or store your game saves on your own hardware. If you need to switch out XBox One systems down the line, your save files are going through the cloud or not at all.

And should that cloud ever fail, or your save files get accidentally deleted, you're out of luck, son.

It's a matter of personal agency, and removing as much of that agency as possible from the XBox One. And it speaks to the philosophy behind the system's design. The PS4 lets you swap out the hard drive with whatever drive you choose. The XBox One doesn't. Backing up save files and other personal data on the PS4 will be at the player's discretion. On the XBox One it will be through Microsoft's managed on-line service only.

Microsoft is banking pretty heavily on the consistent improvement of on-line infrastructure in the U.S. At least for games. For the entertainment and interface features of the XBox One this data management issue becomes moot. It does highlight where Microsoft's priorities are.

 
The worst thing is that if your HDD gets full, the One will automatically choose something to delete behind the scenes, based on its own determination of which games you play the least. Not a bad option for someone who doesn't play a ton of games and doesn't want to bother with storage management. But for me, and probably everyone else on CAG, I have an extensive digital library and I know which games I'm planning to play soon and which ones would be fine to delete and reinstall later. I don't need or want the console to be making that call for me. I know that if my 360 worked this way, it would be stepping on its dick all the time. Really hoping they patch in some manual storage management options by the time I'm ready to pick up an Xbone.

 
Richard Kain said:
You aren't ever going to be able to copy or store your game saves on your own hardware. If you need to switch out XBox One systems down the line, your save files are going through the cloud or not at all.

And should that cloud ever fail, or your save files get accidentally deleted, you're out of luck, son.

It's a matter of personal agency, and removing as much of that agency as possible from the XBox One. And it speaks to the philosophy behind the system's design. The PS4 lets you swap out the hard drive with whatever drive you choose. The XBox One doesn't. Backing up save files and other personal data on the PS4 will be at the player's discretion. On the XBox One it will be through Microsoft's managed on-line service only.

Microsoft is banking pretty heavily on the consistent improvement of on-line infrastructure in the U.S. At least for games. For the entertainment and interface features of the XBox One this data management issue becomes moot. It does highlight where Microsoft's priorities are.
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Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

 
Again. Not really an issue for me but I could see why it might be for others. This could all change down the road anyway.
 
DestroVega said:
Again. Not really an issue for me but I could see why it might be for others. This could all change down the road anyway.
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For people who view games as disposable entertainment, this is a godsend. You won't have to worry about long install times, or moving your profile to a USB drive to play at a friend's, or downloading multi-GB patches every time you want to play Halo 5. You just click the game and play it as fast as possible, giving you more time to send Skype calls or slam a Natty Ice with your bros or whatever.

For collectors like me, this is a terrible situation. As Richard Kain pointed out, you have zero control over your own data. Zero. I have game saves that are almost two decades old, and DLC on my OG Xbox that I can still enjoy to this day. Both of these things are almost impossible to maintain with the new "dynamic" memory management the X1 has. In the long term, any cloud data will go POOF as soon as the servers cut out and it will be a total pain in the ass to manage the uninstall/reinstall process when you cycle through games since the games can't be streamed off the disc and you can't upgrade the HDD.

It's just another part of Microsoft's power play to have absolute control over every aspect of how you use your Xbox. fuck that noise.

 
fatmanforlife99 said:
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I'm not, but it's really going to suck since Halo is one of my favorite gaming franchises and my main gaming account is my Xbox LIVE one, plus I'm heavily invested in Windows 8/WP8. Microsoft releasing the most consumer unfriendly machine and forcing me to switch to Sony is a bitter pill to swallow, especially since the Xbox and 360 were my favorite systems from their respective gens.

 
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so you can't delete games by your self ? i really doudt that is the case my guess is unliike 360 you can't see all the dlc or go int oa single game files. They have to put in a option that you can delete a installed game on your hard drive.

 
Xbox One was designed to make storage management automatic,” a Microsoft representative told us via email. “For saved games, settings, and other information that Xbox One customers save to the cloud, space is virtually unlimited. On the internal hard drive in each Xbox One, games and apps can be uninstalled or reinstalled instantly with the click of the Xbox One menu button. 

this just answer my question so what is the problem here? i think it's amazing that all your save game files and such is saved on the cloud. Which means if you go to another person house you can play your saved game or if you buy a new system you don't lose all your saved progress.

 
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